Well, my I don't know if I told you this story, but my sister in law has is bipolar. The. She went into a sort of a manic phase, and so I said, Well, I'm willing to just listen to you, you know, because you're needing support. So it's kind of like emergency empathy, right? So like a therapist is giving emergency empathy to someone who is in distress. They they need kind of focused empathy just on themselves. And I listened to her for like, two and a half hours, just active listening, and she went through a whole roller coaster of feelings. Part of it was, like, totally attacking, criticizing me, but I just reflected it back. You think I'm an asshole. And then at the end of it, I said, Okay, well, that was now, will you listen to me, you know, for the mutuality? And she said, No, I'm not going to listen to you. And I said, well, then our relationship is over, and now our relationship is basically over, except, unless she we do an empathy circle. Because the empathy circle I'm saying that I don't want a relationship where I'm just, like, listening to you all the time, yeah, and it's got to be mutual. So we've held two empathy circles, you know, recently, and so she it's been okay, you know, she's kind of in a better state than she was. She was in, I think she'd gotten off her meds and stuff like that. And you get in they, you know, you get into just a kind of a growing manic phase, so and so it was okay. It's like, I don't want to relate to her outside of an empathy circle, because I don't trust her, you know, so, but I do want to have an open door. I'm open to an empathic relationship, a mutually empathic relationship. So it's that empathic Space Between Us that's sort of based on mutuality and and I'm actually with the same thing with my brother, the way he kind of screwed me over with the empathy Center in Santa Barbara, kind of behind my back, kind of just, just got another group in there. Even while we're talking, we're meeting and I'm reporting on stuff we're doing, he knows, in behind, behind his mind, that he's going to get this other group that's a evangelical conservative group that's going to manage and and then just tells me, this is what we're doing, instead of like, you know, empathic and empathic relationship would have been, oh, this is something I'm thinking about. What do you think about this? You know, let's have a discussion so there's an openness and a transparency needed, though, in the same way I said, Okay, well, our relationship is over. I'm only willing to speak to you in an empathy circle, in a situation that's mutually empathic, because I don't need a relationship that's sort of like me self sacrificing and and, you know, but I'm willing to keep the door open for a mutually empathic relationship.