present. All right, we do indeed have a quorum. Is there a motion?
I'll make a motion to accept the recommendations by Chief white on, Mr. Officer, Chris Well,
a second, and probably one second to accept the Chiefs recommendation to to place a police officer John Criswell, badge number 28711 administrative leave without pay, but with medical benefits, is there any discussion? Yes, Commissioner Bernard being mindful of what can be shared in open session. Stan,
I understand. My My Will objection to the recommendation is simply what I've said before many, many times is that first of all, when an officer has not been convicted of anything, despite what the gentleman from the chief's office stated that taking their pay is not a punishment.
I'm just going to say that this is gonna be very, I'm not learning about you just say it with somebody say it. So again, just try to make
the recommendation is that he'd be suspended without pay. I do. Hi. My comments are related to the suspension without pay. That is, prior to there being any finding by courts or anyone else have any have any legal infraction that could be perceived as as a felony. But my real objection,
thank you for sharing information that is not public knowledge, Commissioner Bodnar, you are there is nowhere in there that it was any discussion about a felony. And so your disclosure that is to share something that was shared in closed session that is not a matter of public record.
All right, and I apologize for that aspect. But But my concern is that when we take a person's pay, as I've said many times you force them in sometimes into criminal activity, but beyond that, prior to there being any finding of any wrongdoing. We have 3000 or more positions, we can find desk jobs, all kinds of jobs for people so that so that their income is not interrupted their family is not hurt by this until such time as there's been a finding. And my real comment about it, Mr. Chairman, is that if if if city council people, mayor's everybody, they can be indicted formally by the federal government. They continue their pay until such time as there's been a finding of guilt of whatever the offense might be, then I don't think it's fair to have a different standard for officers who are who are way down on the pay scale compared to elected officials be and that's my real concern. And the real, the real reason for that is that they don't have we say was medical benefits, but the copay on your on your medical insurance is about 150 a month or more than 100 a month. How do you even pay the copay if you don't have any income? So I just think it's fundamentally unfair to do that prior to there be any legal findings of any kind of wrongdoing?
Let the record reflect that Commissioner Banks has joined us. Is there any further discussion on the motion price your bill?
Mr. Chairman, as you will know, the chart is clear we have this charge to spend without pay and prior to we adding without medical benefits, there was no issue with that. You suspended without pay Simple as that we based on the facts and we charted mandate. Our responsibility is clear. We are not the council. We will not inhale that. We are Border Police Commission
does not say anything about suspended I've been recognized Commissioner Commissioner woods, I will just say that we
are charged to be able to represent the people of the city of Detroit and our constituents and that we should do any and everything that we can to be able to protect the citizens of the city of Detroit now just leave it like that.
Thank you. Is there any further discussion? All right, hearing none, again, this requires a two thirds majority vote and so Mr. Brown roll call please. And again, the motion is to accept the Chiefs recommendation to place Officer John Criswell on administrative leave without people with medical benefits
to a person chairperson Chris. Yes. VICE CHAIRPERSON bail. Yes. Mr. Smith Yes. Mr. Barnard now, for the reasons stated Commissioner bank. Yes. Mr. Burdon Yes. Mr. Carter? Yes. Mr. Woods? Yes.
Seven yes votes one no votes that motion passes. Is there any other motion and a new business? To
the chair I'd like to call for German damages
call. Is there a second second? Prime Mover secondary discussion?
I had a couple of motions. Already been called the same name is Jeremy
been my opining that until the vote has been had any motion that is yet to be done can be had Commissioner Carter. Thank
you Mr. Chair. I have two motions. The first motion is to the first motion I'm moving to have resolutions prepared by staff for the commissioners any hold and Commissioner, Reverend Dr. Holly
in private will be second. Is there any discussion? Mr. Chair,
I think that anytime that this is a not a this is not an easy job. And I think that we should recognize people who spent their time on the board and commemorate them with that honor.
Any further discussion? I agree to the chair. I mentioned the burden. You
know I light a light to a man Commissioner Carter's motion I like it if we can recognize all of those. You know, that served on a board of police commissioners as commissioners in the past 50 years. You know, you know you have a lot of men and women that served in the seats where we are today. Some of them have not received resolutions are our credentials and it'll be a good opportunity for all them to be recognized. Unify Lee you know, to gather as we celebrate 50 year anniversary of police oversight here in America. Our
second day. That's only fair. I think that's only fair not to show favoritism right to ask people on this board
has been an amendment to the motion to have the staff to write resolutions for all former commissioners in the last 50 years. And it has been seconded. You also have that amendment.
So you also have former commissioner slash attorney Sharon Barnard, you know who served honorably on this board and was appointed by Mayor Coleman Young, you know, you talking about a warrior when it comes to you know, her ability to think and to organize and delegate I mean, you
know, be included in in the Coronavirus session. Mrs. G amendment just briefly i Excuse me speak to the chair wait to be recognized Commissioner Carter up so I think
that the appropriate time to recognize people for the 50 years is at some time during the summer when we normally recognize our years of service on the board and people who have been on the board. I think that this is different from that because this is just simply honoring people who just left the board and just to make sure that they are received the recognition that they Commissioner
Bodnar just quickly I
actually I agree with Commissioner Carter and Commissioner Birdman Commissioner Verdun. I think that that recognition event should be something we should plan. It should be a real event. Yeah, since it's a it's a half century it's a milestone event. So I think we need a different type of celebration for that, but I absolutely concur in the in the resolutions that for Jim Holly, and obviously for Commissioner Hall.
You can also do the chair. We don't know. We don't know maybe our secretary acting secretary can can look into this for us. as board members. We don't know which board members over the past 50 years of police oversight receive resolutions and things of that nature and at some point of time, they probably they probably you know they didn't get a resolution or they did but we do know when it comes to commissioners that did not get retirement credentials will be Commissioner William Davis, who served honorably on this board Commission Commissioner Darrell Brown who also served honorably on his board, and we had so many wonderful people that serve including Sherman fel, who also served honorably on his board along with Sharon, Bernard, honorable Sharon Barnard, who was a trailblazer and I think when it comes to police oversight, she only had two women. That happens to be sisters to serve in a police oversight capacity. And that will be Commissioner Linda Barnard along with her sister, Sharon Bodnar.
So is there any further discussion on the amendment to the motion wishes to have the staff to write resolutions for all former commissioners in the last 50 years Commissioner Woods
Yeah, yeah. I did not receive one that
that did not receive one Commissioner woods. Yes.
But if, if it's with the caveat that we do this at a later time and do it in a way that it could be Yeah. It'd be good at a later time.
I'm agreeing with that. Again, the amendment on the floor to the initial motion is that the staff writes resolutions for all former commissioners of the last 50 years who have not received resolutions Vice Chair bill.
Mr. Chairman, I think Miss blossom could speak to our we hosted Neko we recognize our all paths commissioners in that framework. And we don't know what transpired in the past but I know that anniversary Miss boss, could you come to the mic, please? How we went through the whole
point of order. Mr. Chair, point of order. Commissioner Bill you do have to communicate that to the chairperson, so he can introduce a staff member to the mic. No, no disrespect but my opposite policy. So
let's go right ahead. Is blossom.
Through the Chair trees and blossom police community relations. coordinator. I certainly cannot speak to what happened with the board prior to my arrival in 2017. But certainly since 2017, every year we try to celebrate the anniversary of the board and all the veterans service done by the appointed commissioners prior to 2012 and the electeds. Since then, every July which is the anniversary date of the first meeting of the Board of police commissioners, we did have a special recognition in 2019 when we hosted Nico and it was the 45th anniversary of the board of police commissioners. And we certainly had planned to do it this year in 2024 for the fifth year. And in fact, I think you saw the ad circulated last week as a draft making a special point of showing the community not just the 2024 board, but also the fact that this is an 50th anniversary year. Traditionally, the meeting in July has been the 10th precinct meeting which has a special historical significance because the 10th precinct was the home of the civil rebellion in 1967. And that was the impetus for so much revision including the 1974 charter that gave birth to the board of police commissioners.
Thank you for that context. Again the motion on the floor is the amendment to the motion that the staff drafts resolutions for all former commissioners who had for the last 50 years who have not received resolutions. Is there any further discussion on that amendment? Hearing none all those in favor on the amendment. So we're just voting on that amendment and then we will vote on the motion. Okay. So if you don't want the this amendment, but you do want that motion for Holly and hold that will come after this vote. I hope that was clear. Okay. So all those in favor of the amendment, which is to write have the staff to write resolutions for all former commissioners in the last 50 years who have not received resolutions please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no, no. the noes have it present. All right. So now that most call
for record roll call vote Mr. Chairman has been called Mr. Brown. For the record. Mr. Chairman, you know, we haven't always had roll call has
been called Mr. Brown
to a person Presley. No. VICE CHAIRPERSON bail. Mr. Smith. No, Mr. Barnard yes
for presentation in July. That
is not the motion, but that's the point. So what is your vote on the motion? Yes,
because there'll be given out did I did we put a date they had to go
a motion has nothing to do with the date a motion is to have the staff to write resolutions for the last Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Banks? Yes.
Mr. Burton? Yes. So they can go out for July? Yes. Commissioner
Carter. Oh, can we see the woods? No.
All right, so that motion fails. Now we're back to the original original motion, which is to have the staff to write resolutions on behalf would write resolutions for a former commissioner hold and Holly. Is there any further discussion on that motion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it That motion passes. This chair
to chair. This new
Chair. I'd like to make a motion to recognize Commissioner Carter and sure no problem.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The second motion the is for the approval of the DPD fiscal year 2020 fiscal year 25 budget request.
Is there a second? It's been properly moved and seconded
to amend the motion pyramid.
It has been properly moved and seconded that we approved the DPD budget for fiscal year 25. Is there any discussion? Go Commissioner Burton?
Yes, Mr. Mr. Chairman, thank you for recognizing district five here.
There are been inquiries about DPD's budget for strengths and weaknesses. DPD have not been able to provide that at this time, or has Mr. Nezarko have, you know, finished answering all of the board's questions. Some questions were submitted to Mr. Nezarko in writing by the board and, and so and then there's, you know, some follow up questions later. It would have been nice if the department as well as Mr. Nezarko could have submitted the budget to the board as of December. It would have gave the board plenty of time for for preparing questions but also having these conversations. When we talking about budgets I mean we really have to look at the strengths and weaknesses. You know, and there's so many line items. We need to go through and analyze each line item.
When there is something that's in the budget that lights $6 million for renovation of a 12% it becomes alarming because Pontiac Silverdome, so for roughly a half a million dollars. You can buy a new building for you know and how many new buildings for $6 million. There's nothing in the budget talks about cost of material. You know, and so I have concerns have concerns about the toeing line item within the budget as well. And so in those just a few of my concerns, but those are just a few of the board's concerns. I mean, there are more concerns that we still have. And so therefore, I would like to note that these are still questions out there. Missing or Darko didn't answer all of our questions today. But we do plan to have him come back by next week. As well as you know, to answer our questions throughout the this coming week. And so I like to review those questions. I mean, the answers from those questions when they come in. So I like to call for amendment of this motion right here. To table this into next week. To give us plenty of time to report
a vote is not an amended motion. That's a different motion.
Okay, I'd like to call the table
is there a second?
I'll second it wait.
The point of order. Tabling can only happen if there is an urgent matter that doesn't allow us to handle the business now. There is nothing urgent that stops us from handling the business.
now you can vote it down yes is there is voted down and then bring it back next week. But the motion to table is if there is an emergency situation that didn't allow us to finish our business so that motion is out of order. Is there any further discussion on the motion?
Mr. Chair, you invited us during Mr. Narkom? No, but Mr. N's Zarco presentation to submit our additional questions in writing so that they could respond to them. It was clear
He left the room with a clear understanding that the budget was not approved and that there would be additional information that his office would have to provide. And you invited us to do that.
So I think that the motion is untimely. I understand.
I mean, there is no urgency that means that we have to do this today. And as a commissioner Burton said most of these answers are not even, are not thorough. That's obvious.
The chair has made no decision one way or another.
I'm responsive to motions that are made by this body. There has been a motion that is made and seconded and so I'm just moving forward based on Robert's Rules of Order any further discussion on the motion? Hearing none, all those in favor of again the motion is to approve a DP DS budget for fiscal year 25. I'd
like to amend that motion. Mr. Chairman at this time, what is your amendment I like to I like to I like to call for a motion to postpone.
So the next meeting, the motion is there the motion is not recognized. to postpone the motion is not recognized. Any further discussion? hearing no further discussion Mr. Date of discussion please. Commissioner Burton.
Mr. Chairman, I like to I like okay, you know what, Mr. I like it if we can bring our fiscal manager to the podium. To ask whether or not whether or not all of the board's questions that were submitted in writing, or the answer by Mr. Zarco. As well as Are there any other communications that we are looking to get from Mr. Zarco this week? I think it's very important that we know that before we vote on his line item now.
I think that it is clear without his communication that there is still some unreadiness by some commissioners around the budget. That is clear. It has been stated by at least two commissioners at this table that there are still outstanding questions that you would desire to be answered and that doesn't require
the chair we thought we follow protocol. And the protocol was for us to submit questions in writing, where board members have done that yet but if the questions have not been answered, correctly, or accurately or sufficiently which is from Mr. Zarco, and there are still continuing questions out there that we need to know the answers to those questions before we can move forward today. Therefore, we should not rubber stamp today's budget if there are still questions out there needs to be answered. Mrs Rosario was here commissioned to parse I don't want you to any or all of our questions that mean that the conversation is going to continue to go on. But the thing about it, the real question we need to look at is why the Department are missing and asarco didn't bring the budget to or sooner but since we have submitted questions, and our questions haven't been answered today, why don't we have to vote on this today?
Commissioner burden I don't want you to feel as if I'm disenfranchising or taking away your agency, you still had the opportunity to vote no. in approving it, and if it fails, then it can come back next week. Is that clears that Yes. Commissioner Carter
offer the question questions. We
call it is there a second? Second? It's been properly moved and seconded. All those in favor of the question please signify by saying aye. All those opposed, no call for a roll call vote on on Washington has been called and it has passed. Now we have the vote on approving the DPD s budget for fiscal year 25. Roll call please. Mr. Brown.
Jefferson press.
Yes.
VICE CHAIRPERSON bill. Yes. Mr. Smith Yes. Mr. Barnard. No. Mr. Banks? Yes. Mr. Burton?
No, this this right here. Next person, Mr. Brown? No, because this is Mrs. nonconstant she say yes.
Mr. Woods Yes.
Alright, six yes votes to no votes that motion passes over Georgia
is represented with dog on budget. This year like those every
saying I'd be ashamed of your son was Opposed no. Motion passes. This meeting is adjourned.