When it comes to decision making, I tend to use this country club example. Right? So we have a lot of nonprofits with racially homogenous, or I'll just say white leadership teams, you may have black people and lower level positions. And you very likely have a racially racially homogenous board with a sprinkling of folks of color, maybe, maybe not. And we seem to think that's okay, particularly even when they're serving in like an all black audience. So they have a ton of mixed race folks that are beneficiaries of their programs and services. I would love for someone to show me the opposite, to walk into a country club and have an all black board dictating and governing what happens on the golf course and what have served for lunch, and how you're greeted at vallet. You just never see it. And I think people should be really uncomfortable sitting around tables, making decisions, asking questions about finance for community and for people they do not know, because we will never accept the other side of that. And I'm not saying you need to then remove yourself from the space. No, in fact, you need to become an expert in sharing the power and access and leverage that you have. It's not just about getting more people of color in place to do the work. But you need to really develop a thirst for knowledge, not just the thirst for the title, or you're there because you know, your firm can give us a five figure donation. But why are you actually in that seat? And if you don't have the information to make the decision, then you can actually say that My goal is for foundations and grantmakers. So we know we have this participatory grantmaking push. But however you shape it, just because you govern an institution doesn't mean you have to make all the decisions. That's one thought, when it comes to centering, marginalized voices know that I just wall slide whenever I hear marginalized, oppressed or disadvantaged because that's the prevalent commonplace language when in fact, we need to be shifting to talk about the marginalizers and the oppressors who get to act like they contribute to none of the harm that we see. But still, we're in this dynamic where there isn't where there is a need to uplift and elevate certain voices. And for for most of that, it's less accepting that just because you have the money doesn't mean you have the information. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you have the expertise, just because you spent $20,000 on a new theory of change. By the time you begin funding in that area, things have moved on. You are not caught up. But you could be if you wanted to do business differently. And then I think your last, the last part of that question was about transformation. And this, again, may sound really radical, but it's going to take something radical and bold to shake up, shake us out of this. What happens if foundations or if nonprofits stopped submitting grant applications and refuse to submit reports, and didn't allow site visits when it was inconvenient for them? How would funders then determine how to give their money away? What if they said, no, we're the three, the three nonprofits in this community, we actually support each other, we're only going to write one grant. And we want to share this six figure gift that you give, we're not going to duplicate our efforts where you can review what we sent to this other organization. So there is agency it's bold, but it also takes nonprofit organizations with setting endowments. We know those are not the black LED or minority led organizations among us, they do not have sizeable endowments. But it takes those institutions to hold space for the grassroots institutions and the community organizing institutions. And it takes foundations to flex their power and influence. You very well know that funders like fund in cohorts, right, if you get funded by one, you're probably going to get funded by the same other five people. And then they're going to be people that keep that door slammed in your face, you need to go back and talk to your people. This is not my problem, I should not have to try to invite Becky, I'll just pick on you to coffee 18 months in a row to try and build a relationship when Becky has made up her mind that she doesn't want to fund over here. So some of this is not even our work to do. Like let us be experts in the things that we are experts in period.