Good morning, everybody. We will okay. All Okay. recording has started. Now then. One thing one thing that happened after the session at only on Friday was a very significant ethical issue was brought up.
And we should have paused the recording. So what I'm saying to you is that, that sometimes you will share things in this module. That is just to think about consider. So when we're in that stage, about please request that you just say, can we just follow through calling is that alright? Because I've got now find the recording and delete that section. Because I'm sure that grant shots will want to go anywhere else.
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Right, okay, so yeah, it's just being mindful of things like that because we are all here. privy to some delicate stuff. And all also we might be happy saying some things or some things that we shouldn't commit to recording unless we really want to. Okay, but that some reason that is not changed. So here we are today, during today's session is mind that like not the case of eating too many pie, it's that funny feeling you get when you thing. Ellie, can you hear us now? Beth, thank you. Thank you. Okay. So we're looking at, we're going to look at some ethical decision making models. We're going to look at decision making models, some of this stuff you've seen before, but we're going to apply in a different way. We're going to be thinking about what is an ethical decision. How do we know? I know that that's an ethical decision. And I feel like looking through a very dirty windscreen and so we're looking at those ethical decision making models and how you can improve your ethical decision making. Okay, so it's really thinking about what can you do if if I'm in a particular situation, I recognize it as an ethical decision, what can I do? What can I do to support myself or maybe not make a decision that I'm uncomfortable with? And Trevino and Nelson are very helpful in this situation, which is one of the reasons why I particularly like their book. And there will of course, be a path for achievement Yeah, it's next week. I got so it's just remembering that achievement, we is not not Holly long, unless you have actually booked your holidays at that time. But achievement lead is there for me to just go Pete. Okay. I started trying to get my head around that moral compass thing. Like that's okay. Gotcha. Yeah. All right. And then anything else that you need to catch up on? Because you've got you could be disciplined and say, right, I'll do three hours on ethical leadership. here and I'll do three hours on business analysis. Okay. So, thank you very much for giving me feedback. Really, really appreciate it. People seem to be quite happy with what we do. And how it's going and really understanding what we're doing. Be fair, I haven't done a huge amount of models yet. though. You might think oh, bit lighter models. Yes. That deliberate. So I haven't seen anything that I'm concerned about at all. But one of the things that I did say last week was that each week and the bead day, this fits this bit in terms of the assignment, okay, but what we're doing today, so what we're going to be doing today, both A and B, but probably more A than B, probably. Is that a bit more theory? And we're going to be applying that to scenarios. Okay, so where does last week that A or B? Eight will be? Okay. Yeah. Thanks very much. So last week was predominantly
right, so the tough from last week was to do your 200 words and review them on campus. Now, you might have chosen to do two words on what we did last week. Fine. Fine. I've got round to doing them on campus. That's fine, but catch up with that. Okay, but did anybody do it?
And I didn't need to be thankful for the thing that I couldn't agree on. That they they're like they've been talking about the contract thing. Or I had to go forward with a lot of it. And as a result I came out with very, very agle Yeah, but I wonder if that to do in the modern management
to help us grow it as well. Because whenever I found that I like sprint Thank you. Very, very retiring isn't I find I found that those questions we get identify with that module. Yes. Much more than some of the others maybe that about a review are the more you thought in the explained in a way. Okay, that's good. All right. That's interesting. So it might be worth doing what you said. Just look at the simple moral compass definitions, and then return to them. Yeah, okay. See what you identify with. Clack. You have your hand up.
Yeah, I found that pretty much the same as me and I kind of kind of slightly stronger in one and two and a couple of them. But then like in the middle of that was quite kind of like on the fence in the middle of them had to do fours but a lot of them and so had some kind of in the middle and middle block around the middle of the Marlton purse. So I'd say run just to be a bad day. I looked at the board and then looked at kind of like the definition and where I sat and I did kind of agree with them all and when reflected around kind of where I am now in my life and the work that I do, kind of reflect reflect back what I've welcome outside are all composites criticals exercise to be fair, but I think and I thought the questions were quite challenging to kind of pick one way or the other.
Okay. Thank you for that. I think when you're doing it, so if you haven't done it, try not to overthink it. But I do do accept the fact because it is such an old model now being 20 years old, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I don't
mean that. No, yeah. It just was quite biased. It's pretty, it's leaning a certain way. The questions
are designed to be to pick up one or the other, or pick up a range of things. But when when you have a particular bike in one way or another, and that's the thing that I really want you to think about. So if you've got a profile that is moving towards one area, then look at the other side. Because what's happening there is you weren't you need to consider other people's views. Okay. What you're what you're doing is leaning very much one way and you might not be as tolerant of others. And it's a really good thing to know if you do Lean one particular way. Yeah, it's it's like the one we were talking about the value that side and having a limiting value, because it will do stuff to you and make you behave in a particular way. Nothing wrong with that. At all. Be don't don't think it is but just think, okay, we're looking at these we're getting this information, and we're doing these exercises, because we're moving into or are in leadership and management positions. And we need to be very aware of other people. Yeah, okay. So, give it a go. Or if you don't give it a go fine. Just have a look at the descriptions. Yeah. Sorry. Personality on the Wildling via the MBTI. One. Yeah, yes.
And that was really interested when it came out because it was really quite accurate.
And we're probably no, that's not the Baron values, right? So a block of additional things that you can dip into. And I refer to that one as the fast and dirty and yeah,
I did the COVID that did all the scoring and then I got to the end and then you have to keep going down so I couldn't think of all of them. All right.
I'm just starting the movie The Mortal Kombat. Review the outcome of the moral imbecile describes the model.
Now looking at the outcome, okay, this is about you. Okay, so it's really thinking about, Okay, is there anything here that I need to consider? So it's just for you, it's reflective. I won't ask you to reveal your moral compass. At all. It's the same as values. It's all for you and your deeper understanding. Right. So here we go. So this next bit is about ethical decisions in the workplace. And the decision that we make and how we make code decision.
But what is an ethical decision?
What is it wasn't ethical decision, you know?
So it's a decision that is likely to have significant effect on others. So it characterizes him by choice and alternative courses of action are open petition that seemed ethically relevant by one or more party. And that's taping from crane and Matten. Okay, so here I have an example from this week's news, and have anybody seen that story? Now, we've seen it. You might have seen it on BBC if you follow the news. Okay, let's see. If this works for me.
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very much a team effort there
Okay, that seems to be working. Right Claire? Can you just give me a thumbs up if you hear this photo? Yeah. Yeah.
Because, no, oh,
I can't hear I can see it, but I can't hear it. But I've just checked and it works for me to watch it on my computer. So I'll watch it on my computer while you do it. Okay,
so it is there for for you all on Blackboard. So people online, if you could go into just go and have a watch of this. Thank you and then we'll come back in and just Yeah, okay, so taking this from Al Jazeera
Just wait for the others to come back
in the room says
I'm done. Thanks, Claire.
Can you just let me know when you're back in the room?
Yeah, I finished it.
Thanks Cameron.
Thanks Samaya
Okay, so looking at that definition, so, decision is likely to have a significant effect on other decisions decision is likely to be characterized by choice, in that alternative courses of action are open and the decision is perceived as ethically relevant by one or more athletes. Now I'm forever like trawling for new relevant than ethical issues quite independently, as I teach them that I would like all that just step up to that bigger issue and that's quite interesting. So decision means likely to have a significant effect on others. So first off, what do you think somebody says, though, this is a famous person by announced that person dead 30 on campus. What do you think that alright.
Extreme
X ray, that I'm so sorry. Like, yeah, it could have a negative impact on people who were following over in real life. But I don't think living properly considered the impact of that.
open VPN traffic phobia overtakes Google and Facebook get people talking about it. So it has obviously been a pat on the back
then into the
issue of trust as well.
Yeah. There's something there has been broken. It's quite a big thing today. Don't need that kind of abuse of
position isn't that as well? See, people find loopholes and people bought your products and then at the same time, you say it's, it's at all I think the more the output spots, but positive change to legislations are what it's all about. She was on. Politics, it wasn't and
she had done something else. So it's like the division is like to have a significant effect. Yes. So we were looking at the positive and negative so characterized by choice that there was there was another part she could have gone that what would that what else she could hear that?
Oh, it the car. Without the I didn't know how she could have made a story of her own somebody who did de use a case study and filled them up. I don't know whether that would happen. Then. But yeah, just been. It's really cool on me. I can say for that. Yeah.
Alright, okay. Now pick this one, because it popped up on the BBC website. I don't think that's when you saw it and like causes ethical issues like Oh, going in. Right. So, right. Okay. That's really interesting. Whereas algae, Dara took a slightly different view on this, because for me, it was a more balanced view than anybody. Look at different the same thing from different views. Yeah, yeah. It is really important to say, especially when getting paid by news, like, Oh, when I go and find find this same thing from a different perspective, we're on gather Yeah. And like AlJazeera with referred to it as the war on Gaza. Whereas we say the war in Gaza and there's there's honestly just have a look at that. Okay, any comments from colleagues online?
can kind of see both sides of it, but I've had said before, what she had brought about change in it as quickly as what actually happened. And you know, there'll be there'll be people who will look up to them for that and potentially 1000s of life that she saved with the introduction of legislation earlier, rather than leaving it later. So, okay, I do kind of see both sides and you probably watch for the extreme, but I love the ones that stand why.
So this comes back to the Greninja that somebody so in our trolley example, let's just let's just count one, not five. And two, we can apply the model to this kind of situation. So it's absolutely fascinating. That this particular one oops, sorry, Emily, come on in. Um, I was just gonna say, I don't think that this person can be blamed for the social protection is higher than it took to get recognition, such a massive thing. If you're not going to repeat that you just fade it out. It's like this lady had to go to such extreme to be recognized, potentially to be recognized, that feels like it's a society issue rather than her issue. It's like she felt that she had to go to the extreme to be recognized. And that's an issue amongst dieting and those individuals that it took something so extreme love, though. There. Yeah. Yeah. So she felt so passionately, passionately about this, that she would go to an extreme length to do this, but it's very much greater good to do this. Nobody's gonna have terrible consequences, potentially. I mean, this could have been a career ending. Issue. It'll be interesting to see what happened. Very interesting. Thank you Emily. So, there are stages to ethical decision making. And this is taken from right but arrived from rest and decided in Jones agents stuff, but all them irrelevant. The models are all still relevant. So when we make an ethical decision we recognize it the straightaway thing, okay, then there's an issue and we can see an issue with in this particular case, and you will make a judgement. Yeah. So you you found, like, oh, some of you felt quite conflicted by that. Like, oh, that's, that's a terrible thing to do. But I understand why that's happened. So I Okay. I'm going to do something about that and what is that?
So my take
I've got one firstly.
What first is turned out and then who knows? Like okay,
if you
many people are dying, and so yeah. I don't agree with that. And I can actually do something about it
and just
now think they recognized moral issue. I cervical cancer. Yeah. I've done that. moral judgments that's really bad. shouldn't be happening, but enough information coming out about it. I'm going to do something and to some extent and for me, they the model of it so hearts way is that she could read something else but chose not to chose to do something that she thought was morally right.
For maximum impact, she might be different. Yes, Madison it Molly Right. are part of the decision maker Wade will also introduce the maximum In fact, when she she literally got there in the mainstream media announcing her death, whereas a chef talked about a friend or family member. I don't think the mainstream in their report is going to be deleted in part 10 But at the end, not barring strong breaking news. So some of my idol believe it's all about. We've been also maximum impact. Thank you. We're the mountain agency
working with a marketing agency so it was all
about arguing between the right and roll back the next day probably like BBC will go up or die. And then they'll pass it on to like, different ages that are on bit iodine or someone that obviously cervical cancer normally, it'd be like no one again, because no one bought where it's like all the pages would pick the whole post it as your first point of effectiveness and then the next point is in life and if it's morally right or wrong, then it's your jobs.
So you've all people like when you go to teaching modules like this are going up. So you'll be having a look at her profile and maybe looking at the film or whatever. So it's interesting
aviation in the whole country and ensuring that gay over the length she went. Issues is every moral way I'll be back shortly really good again.
laughs It's a deck was picked up over there but now.
It was always funny though, that she makes a lot of moves. On jukskei side, yeah, he's quid pro quo when he
said it couldn't go any other way. And then you're getting absolutely under for it and
some of us have been interested in not merely they want their face everywhere. Maximum several shot ball. I don't disagree. With what you did. This, I think it did achieve exactly what it was meant to achieve or solely by a week subject anyway. So no, it's possible. And I've got two separate things going on. One thing is the actual decision about how to make the most important that the right one, which is what I'm going to do today, which is not really what I should be doing. Okay.
That's all part of it. Isn't it though you will make like well, okay,
I wouldn't trust it with a barge. I wouldn't want to anybody and then let's put it that way. And not be able to figure out how
to set it. So for me, it's still an interesting word that comes out about
so that might be that the negative impact as a result of this? That comes on? Okay. So the we're looking at this, so she's gone along this continuum, and we're looking at this problem. And ethical decision making thing. Yeah, okay. The Start Model. Now did like, Is it moral to do something like that? I wouldn't. Personally I wouldn't describe that as moral behavior. Or is it
depends if you're asking me from somebody who's at a family member that dad so cancer might have a different opinion Ross. So I think some individual context, there's definitely no right or wrong answer it.
I see it all the circle.
Yeah, this is why it's best to live a life and to help
whatever you thought about life
so, we there are individual factors in this particular environment, and there are situational factors. So the individual factors, like coming in from the individual Chica, we're coming from an individual perspective now as well. And then there are situational factors. So we know that this is a country wide. It's not just country wide. It is global, but I didn't know the extent of like a quarter of cervical cancer cases are in India. Wow. That's, that's a lot. A lot. Massive. So we've got things like really coming in here in both perspectives. So we've got a really big issue, which is massive. And then we've got our individual thoughts and feelings on the map saying, Well, yeah, if somebody had died because of cancer, I'm a woman. So I'm coming at it from a different perspective again. So there are a lot of things but when when we come across ethical issues, they are not simple by any means. And we may feel as we've discussed really conflicted about how we do things. And, and we look very much to want to support our decision making. What do we look? Where do we look to to make our decision making processes? What influences them? The law, the law, all legislation? Yes, it does. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So what I what my peers think Yeah.
Going back to where we started, or things that we so like to fake ones. i There have been plenty of cases of people faking their death. But in this country, what would happen
is those insurance standing on?
Yes, there would be when potentially when you can take off this pig. And that's that's your choice. But if you fake your death, and then your family benefits, or indeed you benefit from the payout that life insurance gives or don't when we British in this country? Yes. Yes. It's not a good problem. And that could be a problem. Okay, so there was so many things that actually come into them. That kind of makes your head explode. Okay, so thinking about this some more, knowing what is the right thing to do and actually doing something about it. Knowing and doing or between wanting to do the right thing and knowing what the best course of action is.
Just that statement. That's really big. So knowing what the right thing to do, what is the right thing to do? And actually doing something about it. So you can choose to do because I know that that and I can choose to do something about it, or wanting to do the right thing. And actually knowing so you might not know what the best course of action is. Because we don't always know do we say well, well, what do I do? What do I do about that?
Second part, you have to make that point at all. And when we make a mistake, we wanted to do the right thing. Yeah, we didn't know we
didn't know we weren't doing the right thing. Yeah.
Yeah. If you give people the benefit of the doubt they shooting things in and coming in, it was a good perspective and it was acknowledged Okay. All right. So I think we're currently
probably all guilty of doing things with our IT equipment. Personal use it was that's your it honestly, but I
definitely have it at the bottom of the way.
Okay, tiny little teeny teeny tiny thing. Like oh, just do that. So how do we know whether it's right or wrong to do when
actually in practice? Yeah, it's been normal.
Now we can all be a logical team and know
that do it. So if I knew nobody was watching me, Would I do it? Still do it? That's you move tests and then it's one small watching in university in response now, that's being behind I will pop in.
It's interesting. Okay. All right. You are all cold
this is not a snuggle up to the FDA. More discipline. So how do we know how to react when ethical dilemmas occur? Even I don't know but do tell us
all right. So this this is this is a I will love favorite models to use because it's so shocking. This particular example visit the fear Pinto though liquid COVID-19 that we do. And I still use the particular one simply because this changed car safety and legislation globally. Okay. So the impact of the ICT there have been calls that went out so this is the Philippines or anybody know anything about it.
You you have a feeling
of caution. Teenagers
it's not the belt. Yes, probably Volvo that did that.
petrol tank everything right okay. And the answer that's why I have a sneaky slide. Right okay. So this is the entire 19th I have plastic calm anything but there is a if this car had a really efficient that didn't have to be a big one. What would happen would be the doors will be locked. It just went off. You couldn't get out of the car. Yeah. And in that shunt, a vault with then pierce the petrol tank and the car would ignite. Right. So what would be the ethical thing to do? Having spent all of these college production then recall recall is what we do now. Yeah. 90 that was you know, they didn't they didn't do that. Then what do they do? So yes, they continue to sell and people continued to die.
Oh my god.
So how could they? How could they do this? How could you actually say, Okay, I'm just gonna continue to send these cards into production. And I'm still going to, how can you justify it? How did they justify it? There's no long stop. And that was one thing. What
else did they do to try and mitigate it? By putting some sort of feature over it to stop it happening
now? They did. They could have
owned that they did. The bulk of it from a risk point of view. The number of vehicles was
nearly there. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. How else do we measure things?
They might do a campaign or something saying
innately that so it's the line because it's out. Basically likable, isn't it? Yeah. So the number of people that would die? Yeah, it probably would be one. Right number of people have died. Yes. Okay. Or injured. Yeah. Right. So how else so what's what do car manufacturers rely on? That you told anyone? Yes. So the impact on sales would ruin the
job. Very, yeah. Just one person down.
Again, so if this is a cost benefit analysis, so they actually put a cost to lie. There is an equation and the guy is unbelievably shocking. Today. Unbelievably shocking. So you just think, I don't know. How did they ever had luck with that? How did they do that? Do you think that you would even think that there used to be
you see it's volumes and all that
Yes, folks. ago it was definitely a little kumbaya last
January, yeah.
Interesting. Okay. So why why would you ever make such a decision? Why would you ever make such a decision and you just think ethically things come up all the time? They do. We're always having a depends what you work in the size and depth of this but we have in our workplace, especially this sort of environment is great. And I'm not talking about you to well, don't do that. I'm not saying like that the script is like this is how we work with what we do. So therefore, it's perfectly acceptable, that we've done a cost benefit analysis for a life and we're not going to recall these carve it out yet. Yeah, that's that's all been acceptable and your way we get depends on where you're looking at it from
doesn't because we haven't big thing in a day with higher risk. So they've got them for people who aren't very more vile, they'll say, well, we need to step on overnight, just in case it's a fire whatever. It is that actually the risk of a fire is that low, that we can just buy an electric remember step one overnight, just in case there's a failure. Get everybody out, because that would cost pencil too much money and that was one of the more than get a Scotland in basic class. So that similar thing about everything. Another thing and the amount of time to have a document with people from a nine brigade and they tell him they're in prison failure. But I'm like, Yeah, but what's the likelihood of that failure? Is like timing. So, yeah, that's really interesting.
So you've done that. Yeah. Yes, you have. Okay.
Which one sounds good anywhere? I mean, I'm not saying that was great. I was raised.
I think as well if you were around in the 70s formula, one drives with dialing samples a year being balls and flames on the track. Word, absolute disasters on seatbelts weren't legal. So they actually must have been very different. They were coming out in a different time. They weren't those things help them stay towards promotion yet. Yeah. But that's your salary management. Support. The top line slipped by materials in cars and just burst planes immediately, is still asbestos under chairs and things like that. Just is
that yes, but again, so things have changed that day, and you just said, No, they haven't. No,
no, but anything that had to do with the recall of who could be more active investing years ago.
It depends what it is.
It is designed to cost the lives of men and women of color. So the first step
so that's the question as it has been it's like, oh, we can go vote me an evangelical. Oh, that's terrible. But is it still happening?
is your job. All right. So decision making models. So how do we make decisions about what we're going to do? How are we going to do something and
once three, SWOT SWOT opportunity options,
that's the interface that can explain it to me. That's a weakness
in iTunes in the draft Okay, great. So we've got that cost benefit. And it's still happening, but different than Yep. We use use that all the time. And you've just demonstrated that beautifully. Jane Thank you very much. essential truths critical path analysis. They were based on that. So we can we can establish what might happen or if this happened. forcefield analysis might have been using both building 011 Richmond HL so I visited I really liked this one. So forcefield analysis 30. They did. If you were bringing in a new IT system or something like that, you would think okay, these will be the forces from the company and these reinforces for me individual so you can quickly make decisions on what you can do to manage the risk. Yeah. The last one. Pareto it's fungible, yes. Okay. I could easily see. So we have lots of models that we can apply. Plus, Minus interesting. Thank you did this in year one, though. Oh, this is great. So Edward de Bono, Edward de Bono came up with plotline that's interesting. So in terms of making a decision, they're putting together a calculation for how you could calculate a particular decision. Don't these are all p minus p dies. Interesting. legislation comes out more churches, but it's a really good model. If you have a particular decision to make, and I recall one of the masters students I was working with and he said, Brad, how we which job I should take in other two jobs at once said I'm absolutely not going to do that. Because if you don't like that, well, that's my fault, though. And so you go away and you don't know it and you did, made the choice and instead it was brilliant because it was so obvious, which was the right one. So what those we've got a decision framework and you've got decision frameworks, rumbling along really all businesses. All the time, all of those while they are being used all the time, to some extent
that many of them are ethical decision
if we started to get it work and help you. Okay, big could really like the new branding and ensure that you include everything that you need in order to bake this in for the last one. I'm going to show you how to make any choice okay. And also provide a way of judging choices. Okay, so Pune made a decision to do something. Did the marketing company work with them on the outcome or potential outcomes of the choice that she'd made? Okay, so I can go with a campaign. I can go with a case study. I could go. So gone through those, I'm going to which I'm going to do, which one has the best outcome, the greatest impact so I can judge the choice that I made, but equally hopefully, somebody was was advising the role of the negative impacts as well and also help explain choices to other people. Now, there are a few videos you saw us nitpick of the video that Poonam put out and didn't like this particular exercise. It's worth having a look at the whole thing because she, it would have been interesting issue that done that video before she'd done the actual act of life. And so help explain choices to other people. Because sometimes you need to I'm doing inspire confidence in your decision making.
Be really clear about it. Because some talking you're pressing the stop button. Now no, we're not doing that. Like so. We are always going to have two people on duty. And we will accept and the the cost for that. Is it's the right thing to do. This one I think this one is really really important. Especially when when faced with things that we're not sure how are we going to deal with it? Deal with it? counter the tendency to rush to judgment. Some new agent do sometimes you have to. That's probably late. Sometimes you have to, but sometimes you need to really talk to people and explain cetera. So if you've got a really good way of explaining it, and you can show that you've done all your research Great.
Sounds really
good. Right? How many people have we got on warline wants to progress today? That's fine.
Believe the notetaker or no, that's not gonna work.
Right and we've got number of scenarios in groups that we're not quite like what I said on this one right next stage to experience gender mix organization, so that works with people online. So make sure you need to divide yourself that won't automatically thing so let's have two groups in this room. Yeah, we're gonna do we'll do two groups in this room, and then we'll do one group online. Okay. So if you could rearrange yourselves into groups online, you're already in in your group. And I'll send you out in a minute. So if we could just rearrange ourselves in this room now please, and then we'll divide it the scenarios I would do to LCC is you've got four rounds. Yeah.
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absolutely major in their review.
This is what we're going to do. So I've got six scenarios. Five. So this group are going to do scenario one, you're going to do scenario two, and our online group are going to do scenario three. For my friend Lisa. They're on Blackboard for you can you just give me a thumbs up that you can see it? Anybody Thank you very much. Right, I am going to give you did I'm gonna give you 20 minutes to do to do this and we'll see how we do. Okay. I'm going to send everybody out
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movie actually excites me because I started when
I was gonna be there even though it's laid off, center on the stolen
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to pick it up. I don't think so. If you as a girl and you want to sell, understand the cin CD they
take contracts which means 1000 euros and let's
do so we have at the end of the walk on some screens. Yeah. Needing to find
out don't believe your that products they will have special tendencies not issued by Brandon England wrestlers. Obviously.
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that the well being of the staff here What
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as he says people of any
age doesn't really matter the way organizations should just be as a matter of eight or 6567 years. Assume at some point it's
better than re buying and
then that cause we get there a certain manner the battalions decision just doesn't make sense.
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of the
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Hello. Welcome back. Okay. So I'm going to take take the feedback in the order the day that is. So scenario one was only here. In some data we should do the fact that man has left the room okay. So we'll come back to scenario. Think about scenarios. Right. So scenario
to marry at the Bloodfang. Yes. So, to begin the first question, because
everybody's got the same so what is there? Not
everybody can read on everybody want to read this one? No,
I know. I'm saying the same question. Yes, but they might not read this one. So it's read out. Yeah, please.
Give it a shot. When the director of nursing regional ballpark is concerned about the decline in one group woundedness there's men and Mary knows that the voting summer will be increased amounts of blood and increase advice especially will charge she is excited. Therefore, when a large corporation offers to host a series of blood drives as bold as location beginning in the corporate headquarters corporate headquarters soon, Mary and her staff arrived at the corporation's corporate side. Mary is a disturbance apparently noticed the impact of withdrawing welcome meltdown with a very good seven when the donor knows their breaths Peggy jump back began to problem Joe and now colleagues friends and piggies events and it's all to do with the premises to Mary's home. The Meltdown was a senior manager offering an issue Okay, good. Yeah, so the ethical bar is we've we've found the first one was did it actually happen? Okay. Did he follow open desk? I don't know. It says the second one was, was it the right decision to move in a senior manager or not? Yeah, yeah. So it's it was obviously thinking about battle. Obviously, they've just said that they've got a bit of a problem with a lack of rental laws. Was it the right or is it the right decision to remove them from the site? And it's that great good isn't it should move Charlotte Should we take a look? We need people the same vein, you know what Greg's doing? Well, beans. Yes, we talked about the values that were in conflict. Again, Henry's just left on that where he talks about his route. That was their lives. If again, if we're not sure how to build something, so that staff members with our wellbeing issue. I think the values that might need conflict, those kinds of difficult concepts because we all have different values. So we would handle we were coming at it different ways. We have sort of got saying conclusion based
on the tax values.
And the values of Joe in particular, particularly relevant because you always deal with 10 and sprang to pennies depends on told the dog to leave. Yeah before finding out what happened. So actually, if I do not, it means the most gold within the name or the coordinate system to
remove paper in the situation carry on taking blood in and deal with that.
So we've got a solution problem. What's the solution? Corazon destroy drawn up on? The real estate installation. So, obviously, obviously, with things like that, it's not really anybody's responsibility at the site. To deal with HR, things like, you know, sexual assaults and all these types of problems. It's an HR problem. So what should have happened was, Mary should have been told so no, he should have been told by men leave for the day removed from the situation. And then somebody else can draw the board from a senior manager. And then next day or whatever HR gets involved in deals with the bigger problem. Foghat because nobody knows actually what happened for him, so HR involvement
I wasn't happy with that. Well, I
Yeah. I think it's a bit personable with HR. Because if something doesn't need to happen, we can't get out. You need to find out what's happened from Peggy then and then because tomorrow she'll have forgotten. Well, she was forgotten but the memory is not as clear as that so we need to find out them and then what happened and they just needed to be a conversation with that. Donor. To say that it didn't happen that completely broke. Yeah. So yeah, and there's a big there's a big power imbalance there with while moving between the genre and the nerve. And also Joe was, Well, Mary, maybe on a similar level, she's the director of nursing, what it is, is an organization so she got that responsibility to do
something about disturbing coverage at that point. Okay.
So it's there's a lot going on. In this very small scenario.
Anybody else have any views on that? I agree with Jamie, I think Naveen should have another agenda of responsibility to get involved in and deal with the situation without maybe, maybe get HR on the bone. But if we think that they she passed the buck, really the pegging of the
previous relationship between or anything, it's just, you might miss out on a motion by our members saying Mr. Motion, I'm trying it wrong, but there's a lot of missing context. And we felt the GA reaction was
probably religion a bit premature. Okay. So the saying
no, no, I I really do exciting. I do I agree with it's both it is both I agree that like, you know, the bookstore in Silicon Valley will completely get full. If I knew someone at work that was constantly said, I've just been sexually harassed. or sexually assaulted. I wouldn't then just be able to just say, Oh, you just go home and rest and then I'll carry on saying, Well, I understand what he thinks we don't. I was thought I didn't get that I get where you're coming from what he's done in the past, right? You get out of Nigeria. If that happens to me at work, and steal my idea, and certainly got sexually assaulted, I wouldn't be able to just go home, I think I'd be up I just go so I'll tend to do go and have a call and say I'd be like I'm getting this assaulted. You just you go like you're saying call Mary or something like that. You say, Well, we've had an issue. I've been in a row and stuff like that and you try
and act. I think you know, one of the slides that said about the risk of rushing to judgment that would be made, but that sort of the basic, inward and all of the information that comes out unipress really not being believed when they report these things. Like the percentages by your 5% are very capable. It goes even through the profile. Women are off believe me tells I think that we've got that statistic in my head. I would rush to judgment call Peggy
Shami female lined up I probably share we build it's been indexed another piece has been in at least salaries, reduce the rate and she actually mentioned that we've never happened.
Females out there will abuse that. It's actually impossible to listen to both of them and that's the thing, isn't it? And it's not about jump in and he's got professional values to maintain there as well. So whatever this gentleman is alleged to have done, he still should be able to work with him and take a look like social workers act to work with child sex offenders are you still have to work with that person as a professional, no matter what you think personal lead so he has a professional role to fulfill them, which doesn't involve kind of the job is leading the children to follow that But absolutely, they should have been an interview with the
guy to see what happened is that what would happened Jane in a situation of social work was being done faster than they were. No, I mean, I
mean, if they were doing something and that happened, you'd expect them to carry on, ya know, so the person that happened to they could really be removed from the situation but you still got your professional values as so you somebody else would come in and still work so you couldn't put your judgment on that person who you're talking about in details. Yeah. Whereas Peggy, if she has been molested like she has been sexually assaulted, you can expect her to go back in and do that because there's a conflict there isn't there but you would expect Joe to step in and then 10
professionalism. Yeah. Okay. What's missing is a policy around this obviously just mentioned it in the in the scenario but it's there's a lot of personal views and there's been really no procedure and if this was to occur, then it's right for that organization that they removed from that situation.
Yeah, that's the way that yeah, yes. Zoom rooms kind of policies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
That please jump in from online if you've got anything to add. But from this, I would really like you to think about, what do I know about my institutional politics I'm gonna do more on this. But what do I know? What's happened if something like this, and let's face it, in our careers, almost certainly, we will come up again, an ethical issue. That is not necessarily best related. Yeah. All that certainly I have. I know that I've worked for a long time that I have come across it and have had people removed from the gravity. So it's not like it doesn't happen. But there is a process and a procedure to invite to that floor. Yeah, to find that back. Find the back. But don't assume to protect people. So if we think that when we when we come to work, we don't come to work to be abused doing in any way. Might be a verbal abuse, but but we don't. So, have a look. You're not familiar with it. Indeed, if it doesn't take days. If that don't think to have a conversation about So, smaller organization may not have a policy. probably time to get one brilliant really good. Really good question. Really good debate. Thank you. Thank you for you. It's good because I like really honest, they rob from the heart and they're both great. Thank you very much. I'm gonna go to scenario three, which is our online colleagues. And I'll come back to one but I'll come back to one if I may. Okay, who's leading with my friend Lisa?
Okay, hear me? Yes. Okay, so, my friend Lisa. So the scenario is you and Lisa met five years ago when you were hired into the management training program of a large utility. Although you're now in different parts of the organization, you've managed to stay in close contact over the years. Lisa recently had a baby and plans to take advantage of the for six months of maternity leave the company offers. She told that she told you she's definitely coming back to work after her leave, and her department has promised to hold her job for her. Meanwhile, you've seen a posting for her job on the company website. You run into one of Lisa's colleagues in the hall and ask about the posting. He says, Oh yeah, they're going to fill that job. But don't tell Lisa. She's got five more months to be a happy mom. Besides, they'll find something for her. To do besides the combat. So some strong views in our group about this. Basically it should she tell you serve or not. She has a responsibility to her friend, but as an as an employee of the company. And management, there is potentially responsibility to maintain confidentiality from a work perspective. So it then also she has the responsibility to make sure that policies of the company and the laws are being talked to and standing up and shouting if it's not. So we were wondering whether we would point Lisa to the job site so she can find it herself. So we're not betraying any trust and then Lisa herself could decide what she wanted to do with this situation. And on the legal issues, we're not sure where we stand on this because we, we know that a role has to be kept for someone that's on parental leave. There has to be a role for them to come back to but we don't know if it has to be the role. That they were originally in. But also there's the question of well, they promised her her role. But did Lisa need something in writing for that to stand in court? Would it make any difference when we just don't know on that legal side? But on the leadership issues, it's, it's just not okay to not even speak to Lisa about the decision. It could be setting her up to fail. If it's not a role that she would naturally fall into. She'll come back and then end up potentially an underperformance and, and leaving. And we were wondering whether the employer should have or does have keeping in touch arrangements with people on maternity leave and like a directive for for things like that to be discussed with the employee. So then finally, on the organizational culture we've kind of agreed that is quite toxic, and very unprofessional. It can make people really uncomfortable and fearful of going on on maternity leave, and quite manipulative as well in trying to push that. That responsibility of ruining leases maternity leave by saying like if you tell her it's you bit that feels very unfair, because obviously we would want to ensure that Lisa is not stressed while she's on maternity leave with a new baby but at the same time, she's got a right to know what's going on. So it's quite a difficult situation.
US saw my style she'd been punished by the company for utilizing but company policies and procedures get right back so my understanding on the law side of maternity leaves not grown manageable this year on maternity leave you get by the need to be honest. We're supposed to say fewer on the RV and also just be you're gonna get broken we wanted to give you the option from this earning will just tell them to leave. It's almost other companies, companies punishing like I say be used in several policies. And procedures going back on so values offices. I'm not sure legally leading to jobs in veering, be a director and then be told even back
to a lot of technical roles. Yeah, it's just
it's clear discrimination on pregnancy maternity policies. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. All right. And that's Jane, you just picked up a really, really good point. It's really important like there are laws, there is an law that protect people on maternity, paternity leave. So are you aware of it? As managers of now? Or on future, you will be responsible for all women who are going on maternity leave? You are, that's part of what's going to happen. You need to know your audience. You need to know what your company's
policy and position is.
It says there that we've got we might have our personal views about what should happen in these scenarios. But we need to have a look at what exists that we can pick to two things. So far, though we've looked at sexual harassment, potentially. And we've got maternity. So these are things that yeah, go digging. Go to him and see what's there. Thank you very much. Thank you for feeling back. That was really it wasn't it? To me, yeah. Thank you very much. All right. And really good, good discussion inside and I will always encourage you to think about how do you feel about something really strong views, right through experiences. So continue to have a think and reflect on that. So now we're going to take a break. Levin o'clock. Alright, come back. Let me know. Get coffee in this room? Yes.
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