Thank you all so much for being here. This is our third lucidity induction group. Can everybody hear me okay? Great. Great. So nice to see all your beautiful faces. Thank you so much for being here. So, I'm gonna once again for the third time, so probably be the last time I do this. For a while, I'm going to share the overarching intentions for the group so that we can all connect together to those intentions. And also so that anyone who is new can connect in with those intentions with us. So I'm going to share my screen
our intentions for this lucidity induction group which we are hosting on a monthly basis on the second Saturday of each month at 11am. Mountain Time. Our to expand our lucidity in dreaming life and waking life alike to explore and practice a variety of lucidity, induction techniques and to engage with a community of people dedicated to lucidity. And we are holding these intentions collectively with joy, devotion and lightheartedness. So if you resonate with these intentions that we have, please join us in holding them so that we can move together as a collective and strengthen the intention and doing so. So now Chelsea is going to share about our guidelines for the group.
Yeah, it's good to see some faces from a yoga retreat that I went to this last weekend. It's good to see you again. I wanted to share a little bit about the guidelines and what we're going to be doing so the first portion of the gathering will be Bodhi, Katie and I are sharing about lucid dreaming induction techniques. And then there will be space afterwards to kind of have more of a conversation with each other answer question questions and during that portion we ask that you use the raise your hand function, which is under the reactions button. And before you share we just encourage you to take a one breath meditation to check in with yourself and ask yourself how the question or contribution you're going to share will benefit you and the group. And just as a reminder, these are all recorded and now we have we have next Bodie is going to share a little bit
that would be me. So, briefly we'll review just the topics that we talked about last last month. And so last month, we talked about the importance of sleep hygiene. We introduced three breath meditation and in the category of you know breaking things up in the day and things like that. And then also transforming distractions into awareness. And we introduced the idea of spectrum of lucidity and stabilizing dreams, some little tips there. If if you didn't get to see any of that, that was recorded and you can find that in the nightclub website. You can go to that recording and and review any of those topics or or take a look at that if you weren't at last month's call. So there you go on that in just a little announcement. The three of us Katie, Chelsea and I are going to offer you a gift. We're going to pre present that just before q&a. So just to let you know, and back to you Chelsea, see.
All right. So um, we're going to start off this next portion of sharing about the lucid dreaming induction techniques with a three breath meditation. This is something that we practiced at the last gathering together. And I'll guide you through it a little bit in case you weren't new here. So what we're going to do is we're going to inhale and exhale three times. So three breaths, in and out the nose at whatever pace feels comfortable for you. And when you're doing this, you can close your eyes or you can have them open. If you have them open then I recommend that you look away from the screen. And also while you're doing this, if you feel inspired as you breathe in and breathe out, you can either say out loud or to yourself internally This is the dream. So breathing in this is a dream and like really feel it in your in your body as you're doing it. So we will begin all right so three breaths meditation
the drain alright so I am going to talk about today. dream recall and dream journaling. I really love this practice. I've noticed you know, in the last several years that dream journaling has become a really like fun activity that I look forward to in the morning. When I wake up. I'm and I'm going to share a little bit about lucid dreaming to start so as we may know, lucid dreaming allows us to have a heightened sense of awareness and sensitivity to the contents of our minds. By becoming increasingly aware of our minds when we dream. We're also becoming more aware of its contents while awake. So we need to dream about three to seven dreams. If you go on the internet, there's some folks that say four to six so it just don't think it's an exact science yet. And if you do not remember your dreams, it doesn't mean that you're not dreaming. You probably could still be dreaming. So dream recall and dream journaling are core to the lucid dreaming practice and can support your connection to the dreaming mind. Attention to writing your dreams down is a way of showing your devotion kind of like sleep hygiene like we talked about at our last group and commitment to the lucid dreaming practice. And if you don't normally remember your dreams or you remember like little bit bits and pieces, just to remember to practice this do this practice of dream journaling, be slow with it. And don't think that you're supposed to be somewhere else other than where you are. And when you wake up in the morning, just recognize you know, what you remember? Is it a color is it a shape of feeling a sensation and emotion? Whatever you remember, write it down and be joyous and have gratitude for each dream that you remember whatever you remember about the dream and what you'll start to notice recording your dreams is that eventually you'll start to recognize reoccurring patterns and emotions and symbols, maybe dream characters, places scenarios and by recognizing these patterns, it can support you to become lucid in your dreams as you can acknowledge them as dream signs. So dream signs are really fun, I think and they're a way to signal to you that you are dreaming, um, and trigger lucidity. So some of mine for example, include clouds water, big cats, like mountain lions and tigers. Yours can be a giant pink giraffe. Whatever it is, it can be something that you don't normally see in in waking life as well. I definitely don't see Tigers roaming around where I live so it triggers lucidity for me and then before you go to sleep, Sen and intention to remember your dreams. So this is something that we talked about in the first gathering. So you'll say to yourself, tonight May I remember my dreams and then continue to affirm this so if you wake up in the middle of the night, say to yourself again tonight May I remember my dreams it's important to have your journal or whatever you're using to record your dreams next to your bed and write them down right away in the morning. When you wake up, you want to lie very still. Don't move from the position that you're in. Keep your eyes closed and see what you remember because moving and actually move like literally move you out of the memory. So try just staying still keeping your eyes closed and seeing what is coming up for you. So in your dream journal, you'll want to include the date, a title to root it into your memory. I don't do this with every dream but I do it for more significant dreams. You can play around with that one. And then you can record the length which could be short, medium or long. The vividness which means like what did how clear is it to you? Which could be weak medium or strong? And then depth which means are you doing like kind of monotonous activities like maybe working or cleaning or things like that driving? Or are you having an experience of clear light or are you having a healing experience or did a message come through? So that's what we mean by depth. And then you can also record whether you are lucid or non lucid. If you're concerned about light, you can get these really cool things called a penlight. Maybe Alyssa can drop a link in the chat for one of those just so you guys can get an idea of what those look like it's a pen with like when you push it down on the paper. It creates a little red light enough for you to write. And then I've had questions come up about audio and like phone recording. And this can definitely be great for you if you like to listen back to yourself. I've definitely want like felt inspired to record dreams in the morning. And like even send it to somebody because I wanted to hear what they thought about it. And what I've noticed with this, it's just to be aware of a potential obstacle which is if you're opening your phone, then that can be a distraction. So there just has to be a level of awareness around your opening your phone, which opens you to a world of notifications and apps and things like that. So just check in with yourself and see what's going to support you the most. And then as Andrew says dreams are really truth tellers, so it's really important to record them as accurately as you can. So don't edit your experience. Really, you're learning about your subconscious mind you're getting to know it. If you feel embarrassed or you're judging something that you're writing down, notice it. Recognize it. Be curious as to maybe why you're judging what you're writing down. It can be a really like interesting practice to go inward and see what's coming up. For you around that. And we're gonna do a short practice of writing down our dream or writing down our memories from yesterday, as if it were a dream because if we think about dreams dreams, yesterday thinking about yesterday can feel kind of like a rat trying to remember a dream, right. So what I'm going to do is I am going to put up a slide and on that slide it's going to have the things that I mentioned for you to write down so the date and the title and the vividness and all that sort of stuff. And we'll just take about five minutes for you to write down yesterday as if it were a dream so I will put that slide up right now.
So we had a question in the chat. Can you share the prompt one more time so yeah, what you're gonna want to do is just write down yesterday, your memory of yesterday, as if it were a dream. So if we think about yesterday, it can kind of feel like a dream. Right? Like what did I do yesterday? How clear was yesterday? As far as length you could write down you know, like, how much of yesterday Do you remember does it feel long does it feel medium or short? Was it kind of like a did it feel kind of shallow? Or did it feel like you had deep maybe conversations with someone or went deep inside yourself or with nature or something like that? So I hope that provides a little bit more clarity
I'll go for about one more. minute.
Okay thanks everybody for playing this game with me. Um, I also wanted to add a how to remembering while we were doing that that it doesn't it can be a spectrum of lucidity. Right? So it doesn't have to be just non lucid or lucid. It can also be semi lucid and next up we have Katie
Thank you, Chelsea. So I'm going to be building upon some of what Chelsea shared. Our overall theme for today is emptying out. And so I'm going to be taking this to a little bit of the next level with another practice and teaching. So we're going to focus on recapitulation to change the karmic traces. So recapitulation is a practice that we can use before we go to sleep in order to process and change the karmic traces of the day. So you might have noticed when you were dreaming, journaling about yesterday as if it were a dream that certain aspects of the day came up more strongly than others. And this is essentially what we're doing in recapitulation is we're reviewing our day in retrospect, but we're noticing the strongest karmic traces from the day or the moments of reaction from the day so that we can revisit those reactionary moments or you could also call them sticky moments, wherever we are kind of stuck or there's not energy moving. It's more of a stagnant place. We can revisit those moments and do whatever we need to do to let them go. So that when we're dropping into the dream space, we're going into that place from as clear of a mind as possible. So just like throughout the day, if we have a lot of thoughts and emotions cycling in our minds, it's hard to be present with what we're doing. It's the same in the dream space if we have a lot of thoughts and emotions, or experiences reactions that are unprocessed from our day. It's harder to have lucid dreams because this space is full already. And we already are having so much to process that we don't have the space to have a moment of lucidity. So we're really looking to create a very open and spacious mind space so that we have more opportunities to become lucid in our dreams. So as we recapitulate our day and change the karmic traces we're looking for those reactionary or sticky moments, and I want to just give a few example of what those moments can look like so that you can play with it as we go into the practice together. So we might make we might notice moments of grasping or attachments. We might notice where we're holding on tightly to a person or we're holding on tightly to a place to a place or we might notice that we're having an attachment to a material item or possession. We also might notice moments of aggression or repulsion. So we could have had maybe a polarizing experience where we got into a moment of intensity with someone or with ourselves. We might notice a moment of aggression or anger that we experienced. We might also notice other strong emotions like sadness or anxiety. Those might be sticky points as we recapitulate our day. We also might experience having had mental unclarity or confusions something that just didn't make sense. If we feel that that's also a great opportunity to recapitulate that and change the karmic traces about that moment and we might also notice, having had self doubt. So a moment of not trusting our decision or not believing in who we are and how we're showing up. Those also might be sticky moments that we notice. And so I want to share three ways that I work with and that I'm aware of for changing the karmic traces and then we're going to focus in on one as we drop into the practice together. So the first way is, sometimes it might come up for you when you get to a sticky moment from your day or reactionary moment. It might come up that oh actually need to spend a little bit of time processing that. And if so, I always think it's a great idea to do that because otherwise you're going to process it in your dream space and it's going to make more non lucid dreams unless you have the opportunity to become aware. And then you can work with it in the dream space. But if you if it comes up before you go to sleep, and you can work with it and clear it. I always advise to do that. So just to take, take a few moments with that experience and see if you can process it and come to a place of resolution or completion with it for yourself. That's the first way taking some time to process the second way to change the karmic traces is if you have this as part of your practice, or you know how to do this and if not, don't worry about it, but you can let the whatever the reaction was dissolve into the space of open awareness. So you can expand the space of your being expand your context, and let that reaction dissolve into that space like going from a form to formlessness. And then the third option for how to change the karmic traces and this is the one that we're going to work with today is to re experience those reactions as a dream. So in a sense, it's just seeing ourselves in that reaction in that experience and saying that was a dream and seeing it and feeling it as such. So with this in mind, I'm I'm now going to guide you through this process and we're again going to work with your yesterday since Chelsea guided us in looking at our yesterday as a dream. But we're gonna do this a little bit a little bit tighter, where we're going to look at our yesterday in a chronological sequence. So beginning yesterday when you woke up and we'll do the first part where we go from the waking moment until whenever you consider midday for you and that could be lunchtime. It could be noon, however you classify midday for yourself. And then we'll do after that the second half of the day going from your mid day to when you went to sleep at night. And so how this recapitulation to change the karmic traces works is you're going to start with the waking moment. And then just go through your day in chronological order kind of seeing Okay, what did I do when I first spoke up? Now what did I know? I had, maybe I had breakfast, maybe I did some yoga. What did I do next? And I'm just going through it and looking for any moments that were sticky or reactionary. And that could be Oh, I Oh, I noticed that I was pretty emotional. When I was doing yoga. I maybe I had some tears coming. So I noticed that moment. And then I say that was a dream. And I see it and I feel it as a dream and then I let it go. And then I continue moving on with my day until the next sticky moment arises. And so in this way we're doing this practice in this tighter version, so that we can first of all, learn it and work with it precisely. But also to see all those different moments when we stuck throughout the day. So it's really more of a comprehensive approach where we're getting each of those little moments. And as as we go into this practice, I'm going to have a start with just a little bit of deep breathing because one thing that can happen when we do these practices that are a little bit more tight, is we can also tighten our breath and we can tighten our bodies as we try to remember what did I do yesterday? What and go through it in that chronological order. So we're going to begin to practice with a little bit of deep breathing. And I also want to say don't worry if you don't remember a specific part of your day. Don't worry, don't like stay on that too long. Just like if you don't remember a specific part of your dream. It's okay. Just do what you can and do what you do. Remember, try to remember put a little bit of effort into it. But don't get hung up on not remembering a specific part. Just continue to move on. With the practice.
And so as we do this practice, we're gonna do it in two parts, the first half of the day and then the second half of the day. And so you'll hear my voice at the beginning and then we'll have some silence. And then you'll hear it again at the midway point. If you hear my voice at the midway point and you're not yet to the midway point, that's okay. Just let it go. Let go the first half and come to the second half of the day with us. And if you finish early if you get done with your first half of the day, and you hear my voice again or you don't yet hear my voice again, then just do some deep breathing as we wait for the group to come together again. And so we're just going to do about a few minutes on each half of the day. And we'll begin that process now. So I do you recommend if it feels good closing your eyes for this practice so that you can really focus inward and come back to memory. So I invite you all to close your eyes and begin breathing deep up. Breathing just a little bit deeper than your normal depth and bringing the breath all the way down into the lower belly if that's accessible for you.
And letting the breath bring more space into your body and your mind
feeling the breath as this rhythmic anchor
and the invitation is to. keep breathing deeply in this way. Even as you recapitulate and change the karmic traces of your yesterday remember the breath. Remember the spaciousness as we move through this process together.
So now I invite you to bring your awareness back to that moment when you woke up yesterday morning and begin from that moment until the midway point of your day. Going through this process of recapitulation, noticing the reactionary or sticky moments and re experiencing them as a dream. Seeing them as a dream and feeling them as a dream.
Now wherever you are in the practice. Let it go. And come to that beginning of your second. half of your day.
Maybe it's noon time maybe it's lunchtime. And we'll continue this process. going through from mid day. until you went to sleep. And once again, noticing this sticky or reactionary moments. and seeing them and feeling them as a dream and begin now
And wherever you are in the practice. you can gently bring it to a close. and open your eyes joining the group once again.
Great. How was that for everybody. A good. Cool. Yeah, so. this way in which I. am guided this with the two parts. One of the reasons that I did that is because. you can also do this like halfway through your day. So if it feels like a lot to do all of the whole day right before you go to sleep, you can do just the first half of your day at lunchtime or whenever that midway point is and also this is a way in which you can be revisiting this practice more frequently. So really cultivating and building memory and doing it this way. And I also just want to briefly mention one other way of doing this practice because the way that we just did it is quite tight, and sometimes it might feel too tight to do right before going to sleep. I found that when I did this practice every night in this way, it felt a little bit like a lot of a lot of intellectual remembering right before going to sleep and it wasn't always in the space or the mood to do that. So another way that you can do this practice which is more spacious and more feminine, is by just before you go to sleep, sitting in a kind of an open awareness space, holding your day as a whole and just seeing what arises. What are those moments that arise that were reactionary from your day? Not in chronological sequence, but just noticing what shows up. So that's another option if the chronological time way of doing this that I just guided feels a little bit too tight at any time. For you. So that's the recapitulation to change the karmic traces practices. and I see Gary that you have a question and we'll definitely. address your question first one we get to the q&a which will be just in a few minutes. after Bodi. shares. So now we'll move on to Bobby.
So, Chelsea shared about what we can do when we wake up what we can do with remembering our dreams and and and just helping that whole making more value when we wake up giving those dreams more value. And and Katie shared about what we can do just before we go to bed that can really bring value to what we experience in the dream world. And have it not just be about re visiting things that happened during the day how to clear that out of the way so that we can have these more profound and hopefully lucid dreams. So now I'm going to share about a very special time of day for me, which is like the middle of the night. And so I don't know about you guys, but sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night. And I know I just know I have so much energy or I have a lot going through my head I know I'm gonna be up a little while. And at first it's kind of scary like Oh no, I'm not gonna get eight hours of sleep or I'm not even going to get sick. Sometimes I just am like, Oh no, this is bad. But I remember so what happened this month? There was a I woke up middle of the night and I was like, Oh no, this could be bad. And I remembered what Andrew said, hey, it's an opportunity. If you wake up in the night, and you it doesn't seem like you can get back to sleep. It's an opportunity. And I was like what what is this guy talking about? So he's talking about, it's an opportunity to meditate and you don't you're not losing as much sleep like he's saying that. Like, scientifically, or something. Meditating is almost as good as getting sleep. So I thought I'd try it so I I was wide awake and I thought I'm wide awake. I might as well sit up in bed and meditate. You know, and I cleared I did the recapitulation. My day seemed fine I was just wide awake. So I meditated. Now, the meditation that I used, I use something from a a doctor at Stanford who just recently did. He did a podcast on how meditation works, and the. science based effects. of meditation and he gave some. I thoughts really good. things. So I tried this, and I'm gonna put in the chat right now. That podcast you can look at and and check it out. But he talked about, you know, if you're, you know, meditating, you want to meditate, and it seems like you're having a lot of inward stuff, you're thinking a lot about inward. Then you want to do the opposite. You want to meditate on something outside. of yourself. and then. in reverse, if you've got a lot of stimulus on the outside. you do a meditation that focuses on the inside. So on your breath, or on your heart rate your heartbeat. So and then you can also divide your attention. So it's the middle of the night and I'm like, Okay, I'm going to divide my attention. And so, the rooms dark, but I can barely make something out. So I'd meditate I focus on that and then I also focused on my breath. So you can also at night I use a headlamp with, with a read, it's got a red light, so that it doesn't affect my eyes. And it doesn't affect my sleep. And if any of you are interested in that, it's got a really it's got a dedicated button for the red light, super important. I do like a flashlight or headlamp so that you don't hit the wrong button and get blinded. But I saw I sometimes will use that to illuminate something in the room for my meditation. So I meditated, I meditated for about an hour because I was just had so much energy, or it seemed like an hour I don't know exactly. But I meditated on my heart rate, my breath and then a little object I could see in my room both equal attention and I just had a great meditation and eventually felt like okay, I'm going to try and go back to sleep. So the results the results was fantastic. I had a lucid dream. It was one of the longest lucid dreams I've ever had. So I was really happy. I was like, Wow, that really, really works. So not only did I not feel like I lost as much sleep as usual, but I got a lucid dream out of it. So just how many people right now how many people like wake up in the middle of night or or, you know, usually at least once a month, like middle of the night you're like wide awake and maybe hard to get back to sleep just kind of like wave your hand. And yeah, there is a good amount of people. I see two hands go. Yeah. So what a great opportunity. I highly recommend that. Try it out. Try, you know and I've tried laying in bed and doing the meditation, didn't get the results that I did this last month with sitting up in bed. And and I did the meditation that way that Dr. Huberman taught in that podcast you can check it out but you can do your own meditation, just meditate maybe on your breath, whatever feels right for you. It didn't feel important for me to meditate on something outside in the room because I was having more inward kind of focus thoughts and just kind of like stuff going on. So that's why I did it that way. Anyway, had great results. So there's something else for you to try. I'm also reflecting back on Chelsea mentioning that you can use like your phone or a device to record your your dreams. And I've worked with that. And at present I don't use it but I have and it is worked really well. And how I've done it is I queued up my text messaging and and I had it queued up to send a text message to it to one of my emails to myself. And then I just have it all queued up and when I wake up, it's right next to me and I just push one button for the microphone. I don't look at my phone. I just know okay, I'm I'm gonna voice record a message and it's gonna go voice to text. And I hit send. So my dream I get sent in a text message to my email. So then later in the day, I look at that email. I can make some corrections because sometimes it misspelled words or something or says something really ridiculous that I didn't say and then I put it into a file my dreams have for 2024 and and then I have my dreams. I can record my dreams that way. So it's a rather than writing down a lot of times I have I have problems writing down words. When I first wake up, like it really brings me out of you know, like it distracts me because you know, it's just really hard for me to focus on spelling and writing and things like that. So that has helped me if if that works for you great. I hope that helps if, if how I described that didn't make sense or something you can always email me and asked me to re explain that or just let me know and I can do that. And then also if you're interested in you know where to find a red lamp to seek and walk to the bathroom or or write down your dreams.
I can get you that link too. If anybody's interested you can email me or something that you'd like to to know about that. I've tried so many things. I do like the red light pen, and I can't remember where I put it. It's gone. It's like my watch that that I had just can't find it. But or Hey, so that's what I have for you. So now the the exercise that I'm going to offer is so we're now going to do 108 Push Ups. Just kidding. Just wanted to see if you all were paying attention. No push ups. So let's do a poll. We did one last month and it was really cool. We're just going to do one question this time. So let's see if we can bring that up. We'll go ahead and ask a question. And if you guys can go ahead and tell us what you experienced this last month so yeah. Okay. is starting to. starting to show up. Okay. Um. Chelsea how many. Do you know how many people are on the call right now? I don't know how to see that.
there's 51 participants and 30 of them out of 51 have participated.
Oh, there it is. Okay. Now I can see. Okay. All right is Does anybody need any more time to answer the question?
Still claiming a little. Okay. give it another minute or so. All right.
So this is, that's pretty interesting.
I think it's flatlined.
well. for good. Okay, let's. let's look at this. so. so last. as I recall, we had. 4% of the. people on the phone call that had their first lucid dream in the in the last month since we met. And so this month, it appears like there's 6% So we definitely want to find out who who are the people that had their first lucid dream since we met. I see a hand I see an eye Yeah. And Katie, can you see that names that Chelsea? Call some names out of these people? Yeah, raise your hand
and Louise Stephanie Wayne. Yay. Oh, awesome.
So awesome. Yeah. Love that. And so, you know, there's, there's a number of people we got 32% of the people that. that have had lucid dreams. Many.
Chelsea can you. just read through this and give us. give us some information? Yeah, so I'll read the question too, because somebody shared that the poll doesn't actually show up in the recording. So the question was, have you got a lucid dream? And then the answers are never had a lucid dream. And for that one, it is 21%. The next one is had my first lucid dream. And the past month, that is 6%, which is two out of 34. And then the next answer is have been lucid dreaming for a while and did not have a lucid dream since our last gathering on February 10. And that is 32% which is 11 out of 34. And then the last answer was have been lucid dreaming for a while and did have a lucid dream since our last gathering on February 10. And this is exciting. It is 41% which is 14 out of 34.
Nice, thank you, Josie. So that's some great results. There's people there's there's a number of you that are lucid dreaming. There's a number of you that haven't had a lucid dream, but you are actively trying. You're you're engaged just being here with us you're engaged with, you're going to do it. So we're behind you. We want to see more and more people have their first lucid dream and for those of you that lucid dream frequently Awesome, awesome. And we just really that that just makes our day. So thanks for for being in the poll, and for answering the questions. It just it just kind of helps us to like celebrate, like yes, this is really working. So thank you very much. And I you know, we I think that's it for the poll, and I have to share. So what do we got next?
It's me. So um, yeah. And I also want to say it looks like two people answered the poll that they had their first lucid dream, but I think we had three people raise their hand and say they had their first lucid dream since we last met. So that's amazing. So exciting. Thank you. Thank you all so much for sharing that and for participating in this group. It's great. And so shortly, we're gonna go into the q&a and before we do that, I just want to say that this is our last visited induction group that's going to be open to all without being a member of nightclub. So if you want to continue with the group and you're not already a member of nightclub, we invite you to join this vibrant lucid dreaming Dream Yoga meditation community. And Chelsea will drop a link about that chat. And we also wanted to share an offering so the three of us Chelsea and Bodie and I, we just felt really inspired to give a gift to this group. We've been experiencing so much joy in being able to host this and be here in this way. And we just are so grateful for your participation that we wanted to give you all a gift. So in the coming month between this lucidity induction group and the next one, which is on April 13. We are going to offer free one to one sessions for anyone who wants them. And this is purely a gift. The sessions will be up to an hour in length and we're going to do it on a first come first serve basis. So however much we have the capacity for is how many sessions that we will book in the next month. And Chelsea is going to actually also drop a link to a way that you can sign up for that that's through our website. And you can email us directly. Or you can go to our website and fill out the form. And if you feel drawn to work with one of us in particular, you can request that or you can just say I'm open I'll work with whomever and yeah, so we hope to see some of you in a one on one context between now and our next lucidity induction group on April 13 And now we're going to go into the q&a portion of the gathering. So feel free to raise your hand or if you prefer to drop a question in the chat. You're welcome to do that as well. And I know that Gary, good thanks for raising your hand again, Gary.
Gary, before you go, I'm just gonna say out loud because folks that are watching the recording won't be able to see this but the our website you want to reach us is this is a dream dot space. So this is a dream dot space. All right. Thank you.
All right, Carrie. Thanks.
actually have two questions. When you were guiding us through an examination of the previous day's activities and looking for karmic traces. I wonder if or what if the dominant karmic trace is that we were not lucid? ads. the question. The second question is, you gave us three ways of changing karmic traces. And the second one was allowing the contraction to dissolve into open awareness. And I'm wondering. if you could explain how that is not spiritual bypassing.
Hmm, yeah. Great questions. Just taking a couple of minutes I remember. Yeah. So yeah, for your first question, the dominant karmic trace being being non lucid. So if your way of experiencing your day is the is like that, like oh, it was the whole day that felt non lucid, then you definitely want to work with that as a karmic trace in itself. And one way that you can do that is you can say, Okay, I when I look back at my day, the dominant karmic trace was that what I was not lucid, I don't remember that much or it didn't feel very vivid, or it wasn't very strong for me. Then you can make an intention to work with that on a consistent basis, where you bring more lucidity into certain aspects of your day, or into your whole day. And actually, the last gathering that we had, I'm not were you here during our last gathering the group? Yeah. Oh, you're still you're muted here. And let's unmute you again. I don't know why it does that. Oh, you're still one more time do one more time.
There we go. I should be more clear about where we should be more clear about what non lucidity really means for me. I am considering that like a quality of presence. Yeah. It I mean, you could say if I don't remember much about the day that in itself. Sure. That certainly sounds like non lucidity. But even if I remember, most of the day, I don't remember a certain quality of presence. You know, being in the moments that I do remember. Yeah. So I think that's that's what I'm asking. Really? Yeah. Your question is, your answer is relevant to that.
Yeah, it's the first. I think so far what I spoke is kind of the first part of that. And then I was curious, did you happen to be at our last lucidity induction group last month?
First, listen, my first meeting.
Okay. Great. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Yeah, so last month, we actually talked about specifically what you're speaking to which is at transforming distraction into awareness. So looking for
go back and look, listen to the video.
Yeah, I think I was the one that shared about it. And we were speaking specifically about like looking for those moments or those habitual experiences that you're doing in your day, where you're non lucid and you might remember what you did, like you said, but you're not lucid about it. And that could be eating food. It could be the intake of media. It could be walking when you go on your daily walk anything, right? And so yeah, go back and watch that and that gives more insight into that first question. and then. and then yeah your second was, was about the dissolution into open awareness, how is that not spiritual bypassing. so. this is, this is why when I presented. that part of the practice, I said, if you know, if this isn't already part of your practice, don't worry about it. Because if you're doing this and it's not appropriate to do based on your relationship to that practice, then it can be a spiritual bypass. And this is this is why the first technique that I shared is if you need more time to process and really be with that reaction or experience, do that. And I think that's the way around it not being a spiritual bypass is if you need that processing time, do it. But if you're able to just hold it in space and truly let it dissolve, then do that. But if you don't know how to do that, or that's not accessible to you, don't worry about it. It's not it's not the timing and it doesn't you don't have to do it that way.
Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. If there if there's still a charge, yeah. In the in the what we're calling the trace, then it's best to pay attention to what that charge is before you attempt to do it. To just Yeah.
100% Yeah. You got it. Thank you, Gary. Thank you for being here. Okay, so I don't see any other hands raised at the moment if you have a question, feel free to raise your hand. and Louise. that you yeah.
Hi, this is my first time coming to this meeting. And but I did Taniel one Rinpoche is a dream yoga course. And so I've been practicing for about six months, including waking up in the middle of the night and sitting up and doing the purification breaths and I've gotten really good at remembering dreams and never doing the dream journaling but I hadn't had a fully lucid dream. And this is for like kind of general question. I want to share an experience and ask if for feedback just in a kind of general way. What happened that actually triggered the stupidity for me was I've been doing some inner child work and kind of realizing that like, it seems like most of my inner children are pretty okay, but I have a kind of irresponsible inner adult and I was so instead of the dream Goddess. I was visualizing my mature, like gentle but firm, adult self putting me to bed. As I fell asleep I was doing the rest of the practice as as it's taught in the book in the course and everything but I used that instead of the dream goddess. And then I had this really vivid fully lucid dream. I did all the steps that I have been trying to achieve, which was to remember it to become lucid to make a transformation, which was I flew to check that I was really dreaming. And then once I was flying, I was like okay, now I want to meditate and I went into meditation posture and completely shattered the illusion and was in white light and it was just absolutely mind was blank and amazing. And I can't believe that like my first lucid dream that I finally had actually got that far with it, you know? So I just wanted to the fact that it was having my you know, gentle, firm, inner adult self, put myself to bed seemed to be what triggered that. I just I wanted to, you know, just get a feedback on that. Yeah. That's it. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing that. See, your body does want to be feel called Chelsea. Yeah. Yeah. So
that's wonderful. Like, definitely celebrate as we have, like, it's such a joyous moment when that happens and I've felt like days after the effects from it to when you kind of have a clear light dream like that. Yeah. Um, and as far as, you know, the dream goddess, the way that Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche talks about the machismo you know, is imagining her like a mother. So right and like walking you to your bed and tucking you in and kind of like taking you lovingly into that dream space kind of holding your hand. She also has like this wrathful energy right because you don't necessarily want this like super peaceful Zen Goddess ought to be your protector to like she has to have a little bit of energy, like a mother, like right protecting your child. And so I think it's really beautiful what you did, because it sounds like you were using your adult self as like a mother to walk you in to that dream. And so I would say like, continue to continue to play with it. then if you feel at some point, there's a shift and you want to have more of her like the relationship with GM and Shambo, then shift it to her, you know, and let it transform in the way that you work with the practice.
And I was. I would say. Emily's, that is amazing. for your first lucid dream to stay in the dream to not get so excited that you wake up is amazing. Good job. Fantastic. You you realize you are dreaming and you you you stayed in it you were able to accomplish an intention to fly in your first dream that is incredible. And you know, it's interesting because one of the things that that limits Tenzin Rinpoche he he does speak about you I think, well, Andrew, no Andrew talks about, you know, one of the Dream Yoga things that you do. It's a higher level task that you do in a lucid dream is you you actually embody a goddess or a or a god and a you know, some an entity of the Deity. Well, you did that prior to go into bed in a way because in a in a way it was your your mature self that had that kind of
Guma Qin Mo kind of motherly kind. feeling, you, you kind of embodied that and and put yourself to bed so in a way. that was kind of that was. that impresses me like I'm going to do that. I want to like embody before going to bed that DOD and and have myself in as that DOD put me to bed so thank you for inspiring that. Emily's really appreciate that.
Yeah, thank you so much for that share and Louise and I just wanted to show everyone Guma Chen Mo in case you don't know her she is the deity from the bone tradition.
And you hold her a little bit closer and a little up. Oh man, I have the legs a little down. Now we can.
ya she's the great illusory goddess, the goddess of the Dream Yoga practice in the bone tradition. So Katie
Oh, let me get you to unmute. Here we go. All right.
Thank you, Katie. Thanks for calling me and I'm also inspired by what? And Louise said I was reminded of something I've observed in myself. Is that if I've been in the presence of a teacher, not necessarily like live presence, but like let's say a teacher coming through on Zoom, say for some reason I tuned into that, that my dreams tend tend to be more lucid. And it seems similar to what Bodhi was talking about. And that we could actually bring that energy in ourselves. Like if we could access devotion and memory of being with the teacher before we go to bed. It's kind of like what I mean I'm learning about this Goddess. I didn't know about her, but you know, it's kind of like that, you know, I bring that energy there. Then that might help us be more awake. So I wanted to share that and I also just wanted to express my incredible gratitude to you. You three and everybody who comes to like what this is just so mind blowing amazing just the how the rubber hits the road you know, like such helpful practices and insights and such kindness on your part and non judgmental like, you know, I don't feel like you're judging us, Luddites or whatever the hell you know that we just can't do this. But whatever I've just said thank you so much. And then and actually why I raised my hand initially was to thank you for the generous offering of these one to one sessions. Like you folks are just amazing. Thank you so much. I'm touched by your generosity and kindness.
Thank you so much, Katie, thank you so much for being here. We're so honored to be able to do this. It's such an incredible opportunity for us. Thank you. Great. So, yeah, it looks like we have two more hands raised. So we'll take those two, and then we should be about it. our closing time which is 1230.
We also have a question in the chat. Okay,
okay, we'll take that as well. Thank you. So Barry, let me ask you to unmute.
All right. I just like to agree with what Katie said. And I also appreciated the thing you did a few years ago for for the nightclub as well. You had an individual presentation about maybe three years ago that was really good and I know I forgot what they called it but it was really good. Like to appreciate that. I just like to share a couple of things that I'm doing. I didn't have a lucid dream till I was 71. And so if anyone is younger than that, then there's plenty of you guys have some great time. And as far as doing things in the daytime, I'm really a great believer in developing kind of a daytime routine and and so what I did was I wrote down, I actually made up a game, which I kind of call the lucidity game dream game. And basically I wrote down things that I want to look out for in the daytime. So for example, my intention to record dreams I have that repeat. This is a dream when something happens. So if I get confused during the daytime, I've already gone over I know that when I'm when I'm confused. I'll say this is a dream. And that would kind of prompt that that makes sense. So this is like my external memory or dreaming. I made up dream signs for the things that I see at night. Like when I see flooding, and trying to remember that where am I? So it's easy to get confused. You know, like I'm late 70s. So when I walk into a room I'm not sure where I am I'll go this is a dream and these are the same things that I encounter at night. You know, in a dream and Bardo gap moments, you know, that's so important. So anytime there's a gap, like all of a sudden you're thinking that what did I just what just happened? That's a gap. I'll say this is a dream. So to try and prompt me when I'm asleep, to do the same kind of thing, and grasping and aversion as you talked about. So when that happens during the day, if we can remember to to say well, this is a dream, you know, to acknowledge that again, that's our mind and it works on the mind and it goes in deeply and try and get those things in deeply. Synchronicity is big. So whenever something happens, that is the synchronicity of all is a dream. Yeah, when serendipity also, you know, say you find a paperclip, pick it up and then all of a sudden, like you need a paperclip. That's a synchronicity and I think all these things kind of play into the, the, what you call the you know, just looking at life as kind of a dream, you know, as illusory body as Andrew talked about, like illusory form during the day, pretending things are a dream. And so by doing this, and I record the points yeah, not a big deal. But but the idea is review the day as a dream just what you did, you know, I would review the day as a dream. Prepare for sleep. And and to me as an older person, not you know, not being really hung up on these things lead very slow, I find it useful. So if people you know, if people are interested in making up their own kind of thing as to how their day goes, the things that that constrict them, you talked about some of the tightening things, then those kinds of things. I think it's useful, because that's the external memory you talked about. When you write things down. A bowtie was talking about recording. That's important to have that external memory writing things down. But being proactive is also useful. I find for me, I don't know of anyone else but it's useful. And I'll stick that in the chat and they want to see what I did. And not a big deal. But I think it adds to what you guys are already doing. So I thought I just share that. I'll just post that in the chat. And thanks for listening.
That's so cool. Very thank you so much for sharing this. I love the specificity and. how to detail that gets, but that practice. It's awesome. Okay, Charles.
And I'm just going to ask you to unmute.
How's that good. All right, good. Yeah. Very happy to be here. This was my first meeting and thank you Chelsea for inviting me. I have a question about the dissolving of karmic traces. And I think that what I'm trying to put together is the the ultimate goal of, of maybe dissolving into formlessness and to the role of the sequence of dream images that come up for me. So as I was going through my day, I found the places that felt meaningful were places of emotion. And when I held those, I had an image and as I had the intention to let that dissolve, another image would arise. And then that would take me somewhere else. And then there was a chain of dissolving and then dreamlike images with emotion arising and that just kept continuing. So my question is, what are your thoughts about that particular process as a means of dissolving karmic trace?
You want this one child, or you want me to. it, I'm open either. way, me. Okay, great. Yeah, so. um. first of all, I think it's a beautiful practice that you're doing, letting the emotions arise and dissolve. And I think one of the things that I'm hearing that you're noticing is that it feels like they kind of just keep on coming. And is that the most efficient and effective way to have them keep on coming through? Or is there a way of doing it that is more efficient? Is that part of what's underlying your question?
I guess, yeah. Efficiency short. Let's use that.
Yeah. So So I have a curiosity for you. When when you're letting the emotions come and then you're letting them dissolve. Do you find that there's recurring emotions coming or that there's different ones that are coming each time you do it?
They're different ones. Okay.
Okay, great. So so in that case, I think that the way in which you're doing this practices is really good because you're not having the same emotion that you already let dissolve. Show up again. So it's showing me that in the way that you're doing the practice, that emotion is truly dissolving. And it's not just like, giving it a LIKE, it's not just going through the motions of doing it and then it's coming up again. Yeah. I think this is a really, I think this is good for you. And I think also that, you know, some of us have different propensities towards different modalities. Some of us have stronger attachments and fixations with emotions. Some of us have more with sensations, some with thoughts, some with feelings. And what this is showing me about you is that you have more going on with your emotions. So spending the time and taking the space to process them. I think it's really valuable and really important. And one thing that you could do is you could notice, what are those emotions that have arisen? And you this was kind of a way of making it more efficient. So after you are in that process, letting them dissolve, you could write down what your experience was. And you could see if there's anywhere else in your life where that emotion or that experience applies. And then you could hold that experience as a whole that emotional experience and dissolve that so that it doesn't come up again in the future and you're you're applying it more to a bigger picture of your life. Does that make sense?
I think where I am is, if I make the pattern. And I dissolve it.
it's gonna take me into another dream. But But I can see that that is probably because I'm a very visual person, a visual emotional person, and this may be my path right now. So I appreciate what you've suggested. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's just that to keep checking in and seeing if this is still the way and if this is appropriate for you, but like you said, it feels like it's your path right now. And follow that thank you. Yeah. Thank you. My pleasure. Okay and so Chelsea said we had one question. chat.
Thank you. So, from rich, a troubling spot for me is the difference between pictures, my dreams and language writing whatever remember in the dream, the transition is lucky. I guess it's not really a question. Cool.
Okay, beautiful. Well, I guess that seems like we are complete. And so now Bodi would you like to help close this out?
Yeah, so thank you all for. showing up today and. and for your interest in. it. lucid dreaming and. and. what the possibilities are for that enhancing. your life here on. on Earth. And so we just want to to May your life be a blessing, may your sleep, be deep? And may you have beautiful lucid dreams. And until we see you again, hopefully we see you again soon. We just hope that your life is happy and and that you get wonderful sleep. Really important. Thank you for for coming. And we bless you. Yes,
thank you, buddy. Thank you for being here. And as we do at the end of these gatherings if it speaks to you, we will dedicate the merit of this practice to all beings. May all beings recognize their true nature as loving awareness. feel that in your heart, in your body as you move through the day. And take your hands and just spread it out to the world. Feel it all around you. And thank you again for being here today. And we hope to see all of you next month Be sure to join a nightclub. And as always, if you have any feedback at all, we are always open to hearing it. I am going to put our emails in the chat for you. You can also go to our our website. for that information. as well. And we'll see you next month
