Do the test, it has to be someone outside of the circle. That can't be family. No, no family can test any ERD. So that's, that's a biggie. Um, so that's done once during the lactation between 60 and 150 days of milk. So I don't I only need a tester to to do the testing once a month, morning and night. If you're doing standard, yes. Oh, what it what is the other the owner sampler? Okay. The owner snapper is where you do the work. And then on your verification days, someone else would come in and do the testing. And that's once a month. Once a let the lactation once a lactation Oh, okay. Between between 70 and 150 days in milk, okay, you kind of you kind of start when they start getting out, you start to look at the calendar and figure out what those days are. Then try to find somebody that would come, you know, you got to find somebody that would fit in that schedule. Y'all are lucky I have a lady 30 minutes away. That is like my goat mommy and I'm going to harass her with all the questions. It's Nancy. Nancy Lamont. She's gonna Oh, yes, she's a sweetie. I love it is yes. So yeah, so those are those are the types of tests. Um, any questions on that? No, no. I got lots of questions. I, I have a question too. Okay. Ask. Um, you said with owner sampler, you can get very, you can get the milk stars. Does that include advanced registry? Yes. Okay. Yes. On by Don, the Vance registry, it's a 240 days in milk with contests. That's, that's the only and they have to qualify two out of the three. So, um, regular stars if you're on regular owner sampler, once you meet your your quota. And those charts are on ad guess website. are they're also in the manual that they have. This is an old one. But I don't know what page it's on. But they once they meet that, then you can stop milking on owner sampling. But on the AR you got to continue to meet those things. And she is she done with your question? I think so. Am I I am. Thanks. Um,
and I forgot what it was.
Oh, okay. Um, so I, I have kittens starting in January with a couple of days, I'd really like to get on milk test. So do you have any suggestion on how what timeframe? Like I said, I'm totally new at doing this milk tastes? Well, I suggest something like 30 days after they kit because what they value the milk and the production and all that stuff is what they call a shock factor. And it's basically uh, he'll go and then he'll and it goes way down. Yeah, I'd looked at that chart. Yeah, so what you want to do, but basically you have to have it on cast for 75 days or they don't they can still use your milkers but you the registry won't recognize all that stuff. Okay. Correct. Nobody argued
230 days is wrong.
AR AR is where you have to go the four to 40 days with 10 tests. The owner sample donor sampler once you get your your milk production and your fat at the levels they have in the book then you can back off a milking does that make me that's pretty convenient because I I was going to do owner sampler just because I don't have anybody real close, you know, besides Nancy, and she's got her own go. But I want to do at all I'm just really excited and Just want to do things right. But yeah, yeah. So what are we we're talking about that shift factor, you want to start getting you're collecting your milk is it they're going up the hill, wait too long, then they're basically at the top going down. So they're kind of guessing what this level is. Okay? If you start at 30 days that goats can be tested, technically, five days after kitty. Oh, why? I know a lot of people don't do that, because they're feeding the babies and stuff like that. And that's perfectly fine. There's no problem with that it just, I believe, to get as much accurate milk count at the end, I would start as much as I can't earlier. Right? Okay. Hi, this is Chris Avi, with our sampler I usually recommend that people start in about 10 days, since you have to get 10 tests by 240 days, you know, the earlier you start on the lactation, the easier it'll be for you to get those 10 tests. That's true. So in order to do that, what I want to pull kids and vitals feed or is what Okay, yeah, yeah, what people who dam raise, I tell them to take it off. Like if your test is tomorrow, you would take your take your kids off tonight, milk in your milking times, let's just say, for example, are seven and seven, you would take your goats off about five o'clock tonight, milk at seven. So they're empty, and have 12 hours to produce the milk that you're going to milk in the morning. And then you milk at seven in the morning. You keep them off. And then you'll milk seven o'clock tomorrow night, and you got the other 12 hour production. So it's a 24 hour production. And then you can let the kids back on. A lot of people do that. So so I'm only It's not every day, if you're starting that really you can just do the 24 hour. How often? Once a month. Oh, so I can put kids back on in between those. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah. Okay. Somebody was saying it's a test not 10 test. Yeah, Amy York is having trouble getting through on sound, I think but I'm seeing that she just text message. Yeah. I just I was looking at up making sure.
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are you guys saying? It's eight months. Can
anybody
relate this?
Yeah, that's what I'm looking up here.
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just turned 40 days with a minimum of eight tests.
Okay, so I'm sorry about that. It's a kiss.
Thank you.
Eight tests, but they have to be 240 days a male on that a threat? So basically, that a test? If they're not at two?
Yes. 240 days.
I lost my thought. Yeah, your 10th Tesh, your all your go to be above 240. Does that make sense?
All of the goats are?
What if you have some? You didn't you would have to do another test?
Well, you don't. They just wouldn't get their AR milk star. But you don't have to
keep working them to eat for the day. Half no 200 yet? Yeah. 240. You don't have to. That's your choice. That was one of the questions I asked. Um, Lisa Shepard. If you didn't complete the eight to 40 days and eight tests, they would still qualify for Star if they met like qualifications, but you wouldn't get the registry. Right. So you'd be falling back to like an owner sampler. Is all
Yeah, the star owner sample or not the AI, right? Yes. Yes.
Yes. Any more questions on that?
Mm hmm.
Okay, I'm going to attempt to do a screen share and show you a video. Um
see if I can get this to work. Everybody, see this? Does anybody see this? Yep, I see it. All right, this is just some of the pictures I put together what we do here at the lab.
So this is, this is a lot of boats that we got in from the post office in one day. And that was quite a bit. And as you can see, people use all different kinds of boxes to fit their samples, the flat rate box, the small one, that kind of scene back, um, is right there is holds eight samples, you can do six down, up and down, if the box is this way, and the two lane on top. So if you have more, some people use tiny ones, I actually, and I don't know how the post office ever got it to us, when bigger boxes get smashed, was a little like a Tootsie Roll, tub, a roll. And they had one sample in it, and the paperwork was curled up around it. How whatever God, I don't know. But this is some of the samples coming in. We like this is kind of too much tape. But we like to see the blue painters tape, you can go up and over. Or you can go around the Lynn and it just keeps them thing. But we want each baby each sample in its own snack size baggie. If that sample spills, at least we can pour it back into the cup to run. If our two or samples fill in one baggie, you got the sample won't work. So and then you can see down here where they weren't taped at all, I had quite a bit of spillage, two of them are up to three, it looks like three of them are empty. And I had milk all over the place as you can see. And the post office don't like doesn't like to get wet boxes. So smelly. Well, they get wet and then they they sometimes Reese repack them, but it's a mess to take out, you're quite Your hands are quite wet by the time. Yeah, so we take them out, and then we put them in these trays that we use to sort the samples out. And as you can see, we have number ones on it. The ones indicate the start of each herd. Um, and what we like to see, and I don't know if you can really see it, but at the first sample, which is your lowest sample the hurt. So if you have 1234, or five, one is your lowest number. Or if you have 2233 4422 is your lowest sample. What do you mean by low sample, lowest number, oh, noes. So if you look at your barn sheets, your first samples and they're in numerical order. So we want the first sample having your herd code on it. So that kind of tells us who heard it is. And then the ones tell us where the hurt start. So when we put them in racks, these are in the waterbath. Now, when we put them in racks, we kind of separate them by by separated by herds. So we can run control samples after them or before him, we we ran control samples to make sure our machine is ready.
And we warm the samples back up to 107. And that's what they're doing here. So that's why the one is kind of important, important for us the red one, because we know when to start start the machine when to stop it. I've been the new herd code, and it's all data collected electronically. So we tell the machine which herd has been ran, and it runs. And then when I get the herd in my office, the paperwork, I type the herd in the same order as the samples are in so that when the sample, the data comes across from the lab, it will match the samples that I typed in my machine. Kind of like the order you put milk in your fridge. Kinda Yeah, in it just, it helps us. Um, process the samples faster. And so make sure you're writing the control number directly on the lid. Um, some people write the names and that's helpful too. If you if you can write small enough if not, the control numbers are just fine. numbers. That's what you were referring to with the dough. Which goes yeah, all your nose should have a control number and on test day, if you have testers coming out to your place Your dogs are supposed to be identified by either yellow tags, net neck chains. I had one gal said they took duct tape loosely around the neck and then they wrote the number on the tag on the duct tape. So then Esther coming out to your farm says Okay, number one is Susie looks like your daughter signs number one and she knows one is Suzy. Okay. And then this is actually the machine that runs the butterfat protein. And in this picture down here, you can see where I don't know if you really can see, but there's a little gap there where the milk stops. And then here, we're This is underneath the stir, it's kind of full, we don't want to see it full to the top, we want to see it a gap of a quarter inch. Because we want to be able to mix that milk, fold to the lid, actually, we had one herd come in, and it was it was just non memory information only feel to the top and the samples came out as 1.1 1.5 1.8. And the gal that ran the sample, save the lids in order she put them upside down. And then she recapped them in the same order. And she ran them again, they came out 3.8 4.0. So that's why it's important that for us to be able to mix that milk back in. And then this black box just shows the machine running if I can get it to work.
Of course, oh,
what is the ndga? Mini goat Association?
Oh,
can I ask a question about that? Yeah. How do you establish registered? Many Nigerians are many, say nubians. If you have a registered full size nouvion and a registered Nigerian dwarf buck, can you just join forces like that and register them in the mini registry? Like the kids? I know. Anybody have suggestions? I've always wondered. Oh, she said yes, you can. I don't know if she's replying to me. Yeah, well, I know that some people have minis, they have what they call it to string heard the permanent string. So like, permanent group, you would have a permanent group of the full the nubians. And a permanent group of sables, for example. Okay. So on the paperwork, you would have two pages one, one for the stables and one for the Nigerian, or the minis or whatever. I just wondered if there's any special way to do that. Or you just put the two registered parents together on the paperwork? And then they can the paperwork just has, you're just under 100 code on your paperwork? Yeah, I got all that. Yeah. But then the information flows from us to the processing centers. And then I know the minis, to get the stars for the minis you have to send the completed I see page to them and gets it off the CDC. So unless you're an owner sampler, then they want to see the page, the completed IC page in your training as well. Um, yeah, you have to send that in if I can send. And I didn't on this time, it's certificate saying that you did. But I can also when I get your test back with your information, I can send this page back the ACA accepts to and it just shows that your information and on the top it says on the bottom says certify that you attended a class through us and have passed the requirements. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's, it's not hard, but you know, and sometimes they lose stuff are you things get lost, you can always email me and say, Hey, I need another copy of that. And I'll find it and email it to you so it's not too big. Then once the samples are run through, we wash them and rinse. We wash them through a wash, dishwasher, basically. But we don't do it until we make sure at the end of the herd that the sample the machines have collected the correct amount of samples and that the control samples have come out right. That way we're we know these two things that you see here actually water in those cups, and the two samples following in our control samples. We know what those results are and they should be either plus or minus point oh seven so We have, we have to make sure we're in that range, or the machine is off for some reason. And it could be that the pipette gets plugged, a lot of cow herds come in, we have one cow herd, they use sand for the bedding of the cows. And that gets into the milk. And that's, that's a big problem, because then we have to clean out the pipette and change it out sometimes. But um, for goat milk is we don't have too much problems except towards the end when they start getting sick. Because of the goat producing less, and the goats, butterfat will start to climb at the end. And I am definitely seen that. And then we just drive in a drying room, we just use fans. We said blowers, but those went out with the years and we just use box fans, and they dry pretty much overnight. And then in the morning, we drip, and these are all dripped and ready to be kept out again, they look like they're dirty. I've had people call up and say these samples are dirty, they're not dirty, they have what we call milk stone along the edges on the bottom, the milk stone doesn't interfere with results. The reason I know this is because we have a cheese factory that uses the same bottles, and they send them in twice a week. And we can run them and know who's heard is Ooh, by the butterfat protein, some XL that those samples. So they pretty much are on every month. Unless someone else takes the sample, and then it gets goofy. But um, so we know they melt down some labs use brand new cups all the time, and then they throw them away. We just we don't have the money to do that.
And as long as the cups are washed really good and dried, we're, they're they're good because we use these cups for controls and everything. So don't panic when you get those. So any questions on that?
One exchange, I don't have any changes.
So that's basically what we do in the lab with everything, and then there's any questions on that?
No.
Then I have one more video, see if I can get to it. Will I be able to view these chat questions after the zoom is over? Because I'm learning by basically also the questions that are being asked and answered through the messaging. Um, yeah, you could not understand anything you can. Anybody can give me an email. Okay. In any questions, or if you guys get really confused, give me a call. Um, seems like I'm in and out with doctor visits, but um, you can always call. Do you guys see this one? Or not? I don't see anything. Okay.
Hmm. No, not yet.
Where's the open? Okay. Let's stop screen sharing. And then started again. Melinda had it teach me how to do this yesterday.
Did you go?
Okay, did you see it this time?
I'm not going.
I'm not going. No, I won't worry about it. Okay, so um, one of the pictures I sent was it ladle? Did anybody see that? I did. I saw that in the Yeah, the links that you say? Yes, that's just an ordinary kitchen ladle. And kitchen stores have them. The Costco business stores have them. Fred Myers probably has them. But that's it's basically what we use. And then then, one of the other sheets is how to test the goat samples and ship them. Um, the first thing is make sure you guys have a scale and you guys gonna have to ship your scales in this year. So I have I have a scale. I don't know if it's up to code on what kind they want me to use. But I have to ship it into. We're here to the lab. Oh, to get it. Certainly what we do is sir, yeah. Oh, verify. Okay, yeah, it's verified most of the scales on I've only had a couple of For the years that I've done them that and they're the older types that just don't seem to hold the hold the waiter they just wore I was gonna say mine is kind of big and heavy and old. Yeah, well, the new ones that are really nice are those, um, either they, they they're American weigh scales, they're the the hanging ones. Uh huh. They're like, Yeah, probably cheaper to ship that to Yes. I people who are ordering new scales from Amazon, what I have them do is have them sent to me as a gift from MIDI from to me from you. That way, they put little tabs of paperwork in it saying, Oh, you got a gift from Dota and your address. And so I know whose scale it is, if you just do it by sending it to me. They come in a box with nothing. And I don't know who it comes from. And I've had no, okay. Yeah, I've, I've had it sit on some for a long time. Finally, somebody causes this. Oh, did you ever get my scale? No. Okay, we know who that is? explains it. Yeah. But, um, yeah, so you make sure you have your scale, and scales have to be done once a year. Um, and then your bottles, which I don't have Hold on a sec. No.
I got as organized as I shouldn't ask people to, like I said earlier, to put the number in the name on it, if you want the name on it. And this, this sample shows half of a sample. So it'd be from either the, the first shift. So you can start at night or do it in the morning, or do morning and night. It doesn't matter which shifts you do. But then then on your second shift, this is just water in here. You're labeled thing. And that's the full sample. So Does everybody see that? So you want to two shifts in one bottle. So you don't want you don't want to use another bottle for beauties am and duties pm you want both in the same bottle. And then, like I said, label them. And a lot of people I like this, this was taught to me.
Hey, Kathy. Yeah, we have a request to hold it up a little bit higher. Oh, okay. Thanks. Yeah, just yell
at me, you guys. But we also like to see samples kind of in numerical order. Does that make sense. So when we're pulling them out, we can put them in those trays that you saw more quickly than then trying to go around, you know, randomly. But then we, I was telling you about the tape going around the edge or go up and over. And we want little tabs on them. These tabs here, so they're easy to pull out. And don't go overboard on the tape. Because when we're trying to take this tape off, we're also trying to hold the lid down. And if we this tape sometimes or the tape kind of takes off the lid, too. And we're trying to work with it. If you have so much tape on there that we're using an exacto knife to cut the tape and then peeling it all off. We can spill the sample and we just don't want to lose any sample by taking the lids off. Does that make sense? Anybody? Nobody speaking and then you would put it in a box inside. Oh, the next thing that I ask is the paperwork in the box in a baggie, but we want it on the bottom of the box. The reason is we take an exacto knife and we slice through the top and what we've cut through paperwork, checks and everything else. I don't want to do that. So paperwork on the bottom, we know it's there. You could also take these samples and I don't I don't have it on this one. But use like saran wrap and wrap the separate saran wrap or that sticky saran wrap that people use they're supposed to stick on jars and lids and stuff like that. That works really well, I do have a couple people that use their food preserver shrink rack wrap stuff. They use that. So it comes consols seal nice and tight, and I just zip it open and it poops out samples arrive in pretty good order. And then make sure when you're packing your boxes, that you're doing it nice and tight. This isn't tight enough that we when you, box, sorry, when you shake the box, you don't want to hear any movement. Because post office, I think, is throwing these things around. Um, we get boxes in that have been trashed. So, um, and I'll say go for a ride. And we're actually one gal is actually sending more samples in because her samples have been back and forth for over a week, from her post office to another post office back to her post office. So it just you want to make sure samples can last up to, I would say over a week, maybe two weeks shipping, we did have someone this year that couldn't get her hurt in or she got she shipped off her samples or samples went somewhere got lost, she called me. And if your samples get lost, what I tell you to do is just pull more samples, you don't have to have your tester come out, you just do it. You can't change your mail page, you can't change anything on the paperwork, you make a copy of the paperwork, and you send the samples in with a copy of the new paperwork. Um, so she did that she sent her second set in and lo and behold, the first set showed up the same day as their second. So we had her heard and twice. And actually the samples held up pretty good. So that's why that preservative is really important that's in the cup, you want to make sure you mix that up. Once you put in your first half of your milk, mix that bottle up. You don't need to shake it but just kind of generally go back and forth. And mix all that stuff in. Sometimes it's that stuff is dry, so it takes a little bit to to melt in with the milk. So by the time you get your second sample, you mix it again, it should be all mixed. If it isn't mixing in is still pretty white, I would tell you to grab another bottle, throw it in the new bottle, use it your lead original lead and then send that cup the old cup back and don't throw any of the old cups away unless they're crushed. So any questions on packing? No.
I had a question on packing, please. Yeah.
So you're saying?
You're saying that little thing that you said? So do you put it in a Ziploc bag first, and then put them all together?
two samples in a little bit? Yeah, can you sounds like you're having a lot of trouble. Yeah, you just want to make sure that your samples are taped, they're put in a plastic wrap or plastic baggie. snack. Snack sized baggie works really good. Um, and each, so you don't have to use an egg carton, you can just I have other people that do that. And then they bundle four samples together with a rubber band. It's just something to keep your samples from spilling everywhere. So if you have um, the right size box when all your samples sit in there, they fit in there nice and tight. Then just put something on top of it just You got it. It's not. You just want to make sure they're not jiggling around when they're being shipped.
I have people use peanuts. Have people use the bubble wrap, I have people use garbage base, they get all their garbage bags and stick them in there. Um, shredded newspaper, or newspapers and stuff, just something so the box isn't jiggling, you want to make sure, and you want to make sure you pack it all the way to the top. And the reason for that is because I've had a box come in last week it was like, was like this. And luckily, there was no samples room. But when we first saw it, we were thinking that the samples were probably crushed. something heavy got on top of it. So that's but when you start so now you're, you're you're on test day, you're getting ready, you got your scale, you got your bucket, got your ladle got your bottles, they're all labeled, then you start milking goats when you start milking your first goat is when you check your time. So I'm checking my time, it's 1046 I start my up with my first goat. And then you weigh your milk minus a bucket wait. So if you know someone, you know the, the weight of the bucket, you take your total milk, minus your bucket weight, and that's your final final milk weights and we only go to tents. And we don't go further than tance don't process the center desk. So if your scale is like 1.78 you would have to go 1.8 we go to tense. Um, now it is important to milk all your nose in the same order every time because of the 12 hour rotation. Yes, yes. You on test day, you want to make sure you're milking your goat. The same order as always, and I'm show you something here.
Where did it go?
Does everybody see this? mount this barn sheet? melissia nothing yet. Melinda. Can you see it?
Oh, can't see anything? Oh, that's where you go on.
Okay, well, it was a melt. Wait, I'm saying where, um, she, you load your first milk under the first. So you I'm getting sidetracked. I'm sorry. You milk your goats in order the same for the night and day. So number one is being milked, she makes 1.7 you record that on the barn sheet. Then you do number two, you do number three. But when you take your sample, you want to pour them milk either shirt really, really really good are pour it back and forth between two buckets. That's the best way to do it. Um, you want to do back and forth three times, use that ladle go straight down, pull it up, and then feel the vial halfway. So you do you repeat that process for all your goats. In between time we don't refrigerate the samples, we, you either leave them in a cool spot during the summer, or in a novel warm house but out of the freezing cold. So sunlight freezing weather can affect the sample quality, because it breaks the sample down. Then when you so nighttime, we're going back out there and you want to go out there and same about the same time within a couple of minutes. So if you started at seven o'clock this morning, you want to make sure it's around seven tonight. And then you repeat the process except you're filling up the rest of the vial for each go. And then after you collected the second sample, then you refrigerate for four hours, it kind of sets the sample up for shipping. You don't want to ship them when they're warm on because by the time they get here, they're like buttermilk. So a minimum of four hours before you ship. Yeah, a minimum of four hours if you're running to the post office to get you know, feel them if they're cool enough, probably three, you know, two and a half, three, four, but you want to make sure that they're nice and cool. Okay, the summer you can take couple of the empty vials, fill them with water. Sorry, shouldn't be rain. And there is um you could take a couple couple of vials put water in them and freeze them and use them as ice packs. Cool, okay. He kind of put those around the samples. Just make sure they Stay cool by they send you enough extra to do that. Yes. Okay. Um Yeah, we by the time they get here, they're back to water again. So yes, she's talking to somebody. Sorry. Just came in dressed just like me, she has long brown hair wearing a flannel and blue jeans, skirt and everything. And it was pretty cute. And we record our time in military time. So that the 24 hour clock. So seven o'clock this morning is 707 o'clock tonight would be 1900. I know if you guys any of you guys are using dmrs, you guys use straight time, then you circle the am and pm, you can continue to do that I have a couple of them that are using dmrs and are using the military time. It just helps what I'm typing in. I'm in to my computer, I have to use military time. So I have to convert everything that way. And then I say we have to use military time. Okay, I have to end the computer program. Okay. That's how it bases your samples on.
I have a question nothing.
So say you're milking your herd and you've got maybe half of your herd that you're still milking twice a day, but half of your herd you're only milking once a day. So you're a milking, you know, your order. Might be quite a bit different than your pm. Order.
Just because,
right? Yeah, yesterday. Yeah, I understand yet. I never even thought of that. They never even crossed my mind. Yeah, you would be missing those one goats. Yeah. So I would just milk them in what order you had left. So I might not get as much milk as it would. If they waited. What? 10 minutes more. But yeah, yeah,
I thought not to to walk. But yeah.
And right now a lot of people are doing that once a day Malkin, where there's a couple that are milking too, because they're just producing too much milk.
Right. That's sort of where I'm at. I only have five that I'm milking twice a day. And so nine or once a day now.
When we have a question. Yes. So my question, um, yes, do not freeze a milk. And if you're milking once a day, you feel the container up all the way. So your question, what is the the requirements or variation of milking once a day or twice a day? What are those specifically for in milk test? Well, people towards the end when their goats are drying up, they start milking them once a day, just because they don't want to go out there twice a day. I understand that, but that's acceptable on a milk test. Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. It just it just it's winding down in your milk is still a 24 hour production. Okay, well, you have the babies on the same procedure as milking twice a day. So I then went beyond them, are you still testing the volume or just the quality of the protein the volume and and the proteins to make sound? Okay. And no freezing, you do not freeze that milk. Because that will break down the milk warming up. There'll be a you can actually see it. We've had samples where they're frozen, they come in and they have looks like almost foam on top. But it's kind of like a it's not looking good. Any other questions on that part of that we discussed so far. I know are new and are probably really lost. Don't don't don't get disheartened. And, but um, I think once you do a test, couple of tests, then it then it kind of clicks in. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was talking about that line. Somebody was talking about that. And I, I marked it that lot. That black line is where the fill line is. And you'll see there is a line there on the vial itself. So and the other line on this bottle here with this slide, I can't see it. But it's Yeah, it's right here. They're racing that. So they are marked for for that but if you're milking once a day, yes, fill the vial to the to the top that goes to the same to with that other type of tests that some people are doing. It's that APCs, it's AMPM component sampling that test people use because they can't get their tester out to the farm every day or on test day. So they go have the tester out just one time on test day. And you have to alternate between am and pm every month, you cannot deviate from that. And on that type of test, the test the melka shifts that you do before you start your milk test. You got to take your milk weight, and a lot of people write that on the barn sheet. But you don't have to you have to write it somewhere and keep it then let's say you're you're testing tomorrow again. So tonight, I'm going to milk my goats way my milk and Right, right, my milk was down. Tomorrow morning, I do the same thing. Same thing to date two times in a row. Tomorrow night, the tester will come out she will be taking the milk weights. And she will be taking a full sample of milk. And so then the following month, she's going to be there am so I'm going to have to do the am before she comes the pm before she comes and then she gets the milk. That milk. Does that make sense? Everyone?
don't hear a lot of negatives? Um, yeah. So um, any other questions on that? No, no, no. When you're shipping your milk. Um, make sure you use our peel box, peel box five to eight, Burlington, Washington don't use our street address. Because we don't get mail at our street, we go over to the post office, which is basically next door, or we're just one building away from the post office. So it's really easy to get there.
Any of the emails? These are no
parmi Yeah, yes, on that how to ship samples, it's down at the bottom. on that paper. If we're using UPS and FedEx some couple few people are using those because they get tired of the mail. It's very expensive during that way, but then you have to use their street address and that's listed there too. So the rest of paperwork, we just stuff that I that came across. um we've talked about how the data is goes from the farm, to the lab, lab to the processing center. And then the person center to what we call the CD CD, which is Council of cattle breed, cattle breed council breeding something it's a really cool website if you ever you need to jump up on there see the CB Charles David, Council of dairy breeding cattle i think is what it's called. But that's where your result you can find your results on your goat you type in your registration number of your goats with the breed and you can see your milking records there. And if you're planning on buying a goat from somebody you can type their registration number in and see what their milking records are. So if they say oh, this goats really good it's milking 10 pounds every milking for the last six months. Well, you jump on the CDC website and you can see what they got on test day. The male the butterfat in the protein and the somatic cell. So that's kind of a cool thing. Um Let's see if I can screen share again. I know this wasn't working before but
whiteboard screen share. No,
don't worry. No, no. But yeah, any questions on them? Nope. And then part of the part of the um, since I couldn't show it to you on the computer. People see this little bit the first milk way and the second milk Wait, it does say I'm pm and am also There, but it doesn't matter. You're just first and second, first and second. This third column, if people are seeing this, every, I don't know if I'm too close or not far enough away. Um, I want you to total your milk weights going across. So like this number one, she had 1.3 and 1.3. She got a 2.6. And she wrote a 2.6. The reason for that is when I typed it in the computer, I generated reports, make sure I typed it right. And that's why I can't I use her totals and gets my totals and verify that verify that can't see the numbers. that better? Anybody seen him? No, yes? Yeah, pull it down a little bit. Oh, they're right there. Okay, you guys see it now? Where the total is okay.
Now looking good.
Okay, yeah, it just helps me to compare what I got type because sometimes my fingers like to do the walking. And I will get a phone call back from you guys saying, Oh, I know, I really like it. But my goat didn't really melt 13 pounds. So then, then I have to go back and I can rerun your herd. That's no problem, but you just check check mark.
So um,
any question about the testing and stuff, the types of tests, what to do? Getting your hurt started. I know a lot of you are on tests already, except to recognize the names. I'm not really big on names. I know farm names really good. You give me a farm name, I can usually tell you, you're hurt. But I am getting I can pull away a little bit. You see the files behind me. The real long roll is all your goat hurts. And I actually have more goat herds than I do have cow herds now. So but for the ones that have gotten their test, we can kind of go over that a little bit if you guys want to.
I have a form for the test for the first part. And the other part is available that a a keep reposting. I don't know how many people actually got it at several complaints come in before that. Google didn't know them to the email. So there might be a little bit of lag time here. But I'm going to post the certificate first part of the certification test, I've been struggling to figure out how to provide provide the rest of the test the entire time that we've been talking, which is the filling part. So
now we can go over the first part. Um, you guys just let me know. And we'll go over the true and false and for the ones that don't have the test, just kind of kind of write questions down on paper. So when you do get the test, you can fill them in, because I don't grade these tests. They're basically a learning tool. And they're for questions that I don't get answered through the talking part of it. So number one, on a standard test types, the 001 and 20, which is da di da di d h IR and the eight PCs is the old one. And an employee cousin has been excetera can test your hurt on test day. What's the answer that one you guys? Oh, yeah, nope. Nope. Yep. That's false. Because no, no, we can't have any any family members during your herd. So then when drawing a doe, it's the first day you Don't touch her is the date you use.
True or false?
False. Oh, yeah. No, it's true. Oh, you're tricking me now? No, it's a first day you Don't touch her. So if you try to milk her yesterday and she didn't melt chili melt a little bit. Then that day, you try to milk her so you can't use that as the dry date. The next tomorrow will be the dry date. And make sure on your paperwork. You're not just telling me she's dry. I need a date. You don't want me to guess the date and time Have you screw up your 240 days are whatever dates you need to get your stars. So, if paperwork comes in, and it has no date, I will be emailing you to say, hey, what is the date? And that happened last week, I had to send out two emails. And it's because you guys get busy, right? You know, they're dry. So you write dry, and then then you get busy. And then you pack up the samples and send it off. And you forget that other part of it. So when doing a ve t test, you must milk all three shifts, the pre milk, this the first and second in a 24 hour period when the dove Oh, on a 24 hour period? What's the answer to that one? True, true. I did find out just basically last week or two, on a vt test, I thought and I was under the assumption because of last year I had heard come through, that was testing once a day. Um, the paperwork came back and it wasn't valid. This year, I learned that you can be milking once a day and do your vt test. Your pre milk would be the milk that is milk on the pre shift and recorded then you have to have a zero for your morning milk. That's the one you're skipping. And tomorrow night would be your your final test. Um, I did not know that. And I had a couple of shirts come through that were milking once a day I pass them on. And I didn't get a back. So I was I didn't understand it until a couple of weeks ago. Does that make sense? You got to use a zero for the milking that you do not use. So I suppose if you're milking, you're skipping your morning, you're skipping your nightmare again. You would have to put zero for the night. milkings. Does that make sense? Everyone? Okay, we'll go on for when your goats are all dry, there's no need to send in paperwork until you start testing again, when you're dose kid. That is false. You need to send in paper even though the dose are all dry. And that is one of add goes rules. I found it it's it's in the paperwork I sent. It's called uh, um, it was on that question and answer sheet that I sent. Um, it says even do I have to send in test even though those are all dry? And that was one of the questions. So that is false. Scales need to be done once a year. You know that one is true. Six, for us. We do not use sample numbers on the lids of the vials or the paperwork. If you look at the paperwork. There is a column that says sample number. Sample numbers are used for like big herds. So they don't have to number each individual cow down. So they use 12345. And they know that number one belongs to 32. Number two belongs to 62. This pink column Does everybody see that pink column? Do not write anything in there. We just want the sample numbers. This is a blank barn sheet.
Sure I have somebody here. I'll pick on somebody do you like this? work while she she put it in the pink call. But I don't want anything number there. Because that gets confusing. We don't use sample numbers on the bottles. We use the actual control number and the name of the dough. Does that make sense? Everyone? So we don't for us, other labs may use them. That's their choice. I don't I don't use them because it gets confusing if I see bottles, numbered one through six in the sample number column. But the sample numbers are our control numbers. Excuse me, your ar 6345 1020 I don't know what numbers you're using. I don't want to confuse Number sample numbers with the wrong bottles. I want the actual number I want and Suzy actually have Susie's results. That's really important to me.
I'm
the breed date and the check date are the same. That would be false because if greed day is when you take the dough and to the buck, and they do the job, the brigade Some people use ultrasound machines to do blood tests. We do do a pregnancy test. On your guys's milk we collect we keep the milk after the ran and then we send them to Ohio to um to be tested for pregnancy on the milk that you do on test day. So if you want your want some dose check for pregnancy, just let us know you want one two and three sent off for pregnancies and then we can do that you would get them back in a week and you would know your dose pregnant or not. So the breed date is one day when you make sure that they're pregnant is the second date. Does that make sense to everybody? Okay, on the verification forms, once filled out by the owner and tester must be sent to Agha. I didn't word that right correctly, but I want it sent to me. I sent it to Agha I had a gal that sent it on Add gun she got a note saying oh, this isn't right, um, doesn't have my signature on it. So it has to be finished filling out with your butterfat protein from test day. And then I have to sign it. So make sure that the verification form on that day, all that paperwork comes to the lab. Number nine, the control number must be written directly onto the lid of the vial. That is true. We don't want it on the tape. And then we remove the tape and the lid is blank. We want to see that number under the tape. You can write it on top of the tape If you want, I don't care but it has to be on the lid itself because when we move that tape and put it down I don't want to get it confused with another sample because now I don't know if it's number one or number two. So in a case like that, if someone's forgotten we have to do it one at a time mark the cop do it the second one and it slows the process down quite a bit. on test day milk is weight in pounds and ounces. That is false. It's pounds intense and we only go one space out. So our one digit out after the point and so you have to round up if it's five or above you round up for below it leaves it leaves it um number 11 owner sampler AR is where the protection records are shown on a pedigree if the requirements have been met, that is true. That's part of the AR System. It makes your records more value has more value than just the owner sampler not saying owner samplers bad by any means. It just one step up from it's one step in between owner sampler and standard. You're proving your records by having met the requirements. I'm number 12. If a dough fresh is just fresh three days, can you test her and still be valid? That is false. She has to be in melt five days before you can test her and the technical term is the fourth day in the evening of the fourth day because your milk weight barn sheet this thing here, your test date is the day you finish testing. So if you started tonight and ended tomorrow, your test date will be tomorrow the last day to collect your samples. Does that make sense to everybody?
Yes, yes, yes.
So um so it's actually five days so if you test her in the evening or the fourth day, finish up the next day should be five technically five days from on test day.
Um,
any then this was something I learned last year if you have a standard tester coming out to your farm You must provide the the registration papers, and she needs to check the tattoos with the with the control number. So if the control number, she just checks to make sure that that goat is that goat. And then after that time you don't need to on verification day, that's what you have to do for all the goats. That's part of your job as a verification tester, you have to check the tattoos. With registration papers, the registration paper will if they match, then the number on the goat has to match the paperwork. And on most paperwork, either dmrs are Provo and I think a cricket agar tech to blue will have the registration of the goat on the paperwork. So you can check from there.
Um,
when drying or selling in dough, you must use a date Also, please. Um, I, if dates, especially with drying, I don't want to dry your goat too early screw up your milking, right. So you tell me what the dates are. And then the last question, it's not important for your samples to cool before you ship them that is false. We want them cooled. Because if you don't, if you ship them warm, they're going to be cottage cheese by the time they get to us. It just you want to set them up, make sure they're nice. Cool. And so now we're going to move on to the multiple choice.
Um,
and there may be more than one answer, but samples must be and we just reviewed that, um, refrigerated at four hours before shipping. So that's a win shipping samples must be we want a again taper the painters tape and individually baggy and then tight packed tightly in the box. Some people can't be using that the brown tape it cut that brown tape kind of leaves a sticky residue on the bottles. So um, and then I had it here somewhere, but some gal used that clear packing tape strips, please don't use that. Um, it took us several minutes trying to get that two inch input, put it this way and then she put it that way over the cup and we we I mean we had a heck of a time trying to get it off. And it was very sticky to our hands and everything. Um so just make sure you don't use that tape. Just use painters tape. Some people have used electrical tape that's expensive. Another person has used a kind of like a medical tape type stuff. I'm not quite sure where to find it. But it works really well. And also as putting babies. Some gals found out that she can use the bottle babies for for bottle feeding babies that it's just a long upward Megan slips the sample and top and then see then she just seals it. And now the thing you can change your control numbers so I can tell people to do this on your goats up 1234567 Yep, seven goats or go on test. So you can do that. Then number one sales and you want to move your goats up one digit are moves number seven into the one spot so you can you want to do that. You can do that but what I want people to do is to cross out the old number don't mark it out don't write over the top of it. I need to see the old number in order to change to the new number you mark your bottle with a new number, not the old number. Um so that answer would be eight a. Rc you can write it next to it. Just tell me that you're changing it some people can't write small on these barn sheets because of arthritis or whatever. If you leave me a note at the bottom of the paperwork are extra sticky note or extra piece of paper says this is what I'm doing. I find with that if you went to another lab where they want everything in the correct order all the letters dotted. You could be in trouble. But I don't care, I go by notes. I go by everything I don't care. I easy that way. Number four when doing the APCs, which is it an Pam component sampling, the milking times need to be in the order of and that's on that. I wish I had a sheet here. But when you put down your marking times the time that your tester is there is always listed last. So I do have one here.
So everybody see this? See where the milking times are. You would want if you're on that am component Sam am pink am pm component sampling work you testers coming out once a day, you want to make sure her time is listed last, because that's how the processing center will know if it's an am. Or if it's a pm type test you have around the other way you'll get a notice from AD guys is it looks like you're doing 2am tests in a row. So make sure that those milking times are being flipped. Does that make sense to everybody.
Um,
so the main times that your tester is there goes last. So that's B. And number five, where I make drill this into your head, the control numbers being being directly written on the tape, not taped on the lid of the vial. Not on the tape. Some people write it on the side and on the lid, you can do that the only problem is we have to use lacquer or acetone to write to clean off the side of the bottles. So we can clean out those off so that there's nothing on the side of the bottles when they go back out. So now you're buying a goat from somebody that's on test. And you want to make sure her milking records follow to you, the only way to do that is to write a note are to send the IC page, the individual dough page, which is page, each go gets a page that shows all our records on it, you want to send that that into me a copy of that into me that way, your go does not get transferred without I'm without me doing it or the processes center doing it, they need to know. Um, dmrs does the transfer themselves. I have to physically do it for Amelia core. Um, I go get go get the records from the old herd. And I put them into your file when it processes Everything's under your file. So when you get get it back, you should see all the data all together from her hurt and from your hurt. If you don't see, if you only see your last test line on the paperwork, then you know something's happened. Something did not go through. So, when buying to go from someone else you want to do a m. r c? You got to let me know what her cheese from and what control number she was in that hurt. Number six, right? Yeah. So number seven, if you have errors on your paperwork, call us first. I can get ahold of the processing centers, Amelie car, I corrected myself dmrs. I send them a notice right away. Basically, I you email me and I basically send your email on to them saying, Hey, this is a problem. We need to get it fixed. So after you get your paperwork back on test day, it's really important to go over that the things you check are the registration paper the registers are they right along with the correct breed. I had one gal one time that had the prep registration. And she wasn't getting what we call the indexes underneath the numbers, which is indexes are like the scores for the goat that the CDC gives you. They score you on butterfat in the story on milk. So the father gets some of that credit, the dam gets some of that credit. The grandma gets some of that credit. So everybody gets credit up the line for what that goat is doing. And it it's listed in indexes under the control number She didn't have any indexes. So she came to me finally says, I don't know what's wrong registration or worse, right? Come to find out she had an incorrect breed. And the way she had it listed was it was a buck for the dam. So So once we got the register the dam fixed or the breed fix, it came back. Correct. So it's correct to do the registration and the breed her birthday, you have to remember the birthday has to match the dams kidding date. So her damn kid on 12 so this dough should be birthday, it should be 1212. If it's off even one day, then they don't get the credit. What were the answers to seven and eight, then add it missed it. Seven and eight have true and false. That's fine. Melinda can give it to you. Um, also comes across, and it's happened where twins or triplets are coming out. One is coming out before midnight, and the rest are coming after midnight.
What would you guys do for birthdate? Anybody? know? I would think you would give them all the birth date of the last one. Yep. Yep, it doesn't really matter. But all the birth dates have to match. And on your paperwork, there is a call I'm on all the paperwork, saying is this a twin, we got to start marking these goes as twins if they are twins to either a buck or another dough. Um, the information on cbcb is looking all this data coming in and is finding that I have a doe here and a doe here that has the same mom and dad and same birthday. You can't have two animals like that, in their mind, because they're doing cows and cows don't give twins or triplets. So we got to start marking these animals as twins, triplets. So it gets marked correctly at the cbcb.
Um
so if you and then so you check the birth date, and then check the kitty date. Make sure the kitty date is correct. So the answer to that are so you call the processing center. So no call the lab see any question? You look confused. Oh, you're mute. I look confused. Yeah, that's normal. Okay. I was looking at my paper. See them out. Once you see the paperwork and stuff, he'll get easier. Yeah, I miss you. Okay, number eight is to avoid high sec, she should do the following into all the above. Make sure you priests. I've had one gal says she strips at the beginning uses a screen and she squirts milk above the screen. And she showed me the kind of little crystals that sometimes get into the teat. She gets that out first and then she starts her milking process. You want to make sure you clean the area of the the gutter really well. The reason for that is the others have little flakes on them. And that flake can fall out into the bucket and can be Miss mistaken for a somatic cell. Um, not always but sometimes. So you want to make sure that's clean and you just want to keep the area around it clean. I know it's hard when when you're working with animals I realized that but um you will see somatic cells climb towards it. Like I said towards the end of the milking where we are now this medic sales are climbing. That's just because the butterfat, the butterfat. smeg sales kind of go together. So the higher the butterfat, the higher to make sense. Not always but most most, that's the pattern. If your goat is in heat on test day, your cement sales will shoot way high. It's I had a gal do a study on that the day before in heat and day after and she saw the pattern of going spiking on heat day. So if you get the smoke sales and you get the somatic cells, our account and each goat has their own count, and there is no hard figure of if you're above this count your go to sick cows, it's 800 800,000. If your cow is over 800,000, then your cow is sick period. Goats don't have that goats can be up to a million and still be healthy. It depends on the breed, the lactation, the age, all that kind of plays into this mix. So what I tell people to do is just look at your records from month to month. If you're running 300 400 to 5500, and then you get 5000. Then you're gonna go, Okay, what happened? Well, she could be in heat, she could have had, she could have gotten injured, and she has an injury that she's dealing with, because the white blood cells go to source. So that's part of your milk. So if you're looking at everything, she seems to be happy, she seems to be cool, I don't know. You can send another sample into us and we can test it. Just for your curiosity. I have one gal who's going to be sending me a sample she's going to do a left and right. Because she she noticed her smile Excel was I she wants to see which side of the otter is causing the problem. So that was another way another thing you do. So number nine, after getting the paperwork back from the processing center, we just went over that you want to check Neff D, check everything, can you have to wait, you have to wait at least 15 days before you send in a test. So I put 16 just to put a marker in there because if you do anything less they they call that a retest. And they don't count it, they just basically add double replace that with the first test with your second. So you got to wait at least I would say 16 just to avoid any problems. Right registrations for the processing centers must be and it's use only only use the number to see when you guys look at your registration, you guys would have an ND and letter zeros and then some numbers. We just use the numbers the last group of numbers and the breed goes in the breed column. So and is nouvion D is Nigerian Dorf. m s disable a is Alpine. Oh, please or B?
Can I ask? I thought s was sonnen and C was sable?
I have to double check that. Yes See a sable? Yes, you're correct in saunas RS in the Manchester L and B is over hosley T is to toggle toggenburg. And x is what we call a mixed breed. So the minis that are coming through right now the process and centers don't have a letter for them. So they're all going to be exes are you for unknown until they get that problem fixed.
It won't affect your records if you send them into the mini Association, what they're after, it's just the production. So um, that's the one thing we are trying to do. And then um, I know the golden currencies are accepted now at adva. But I don't have any breed letter for that yet.
Um
So um, so we just use the numbers, don't put letters in them
on the dry test when you're sending just a dry test in because you dry all your goats up. All we collect right now at the time is just a processing center, we type the herd and send it on everything else and no charge. We're looking into that maybe there might be a little charge for just typing the paperwork and doing that part of it. So 12 would be just the processing B. So the breed letter for sables. We just want that it's SC Which I Learned means colored, colored colored goat, right?
It's what
sables are, I guess. Yeah. Colored sonnen. Yeah, I didn't realize that last year. So these things Teach me things too. So it's kind of Nice to have it both ways, because I learned stuff too, from you guys.
Um,
what does DCR stand for, and it's actually see it's a data collection ratings. I did not include that into your paperwork. But you can look that up on agis website. And to get your stars and stuff, you have to have certain DC Rs. And if you test excuse me like owner sampler, if you test 10 tests, you have a DC rs 97. If you test with a regular tester who's coming out and do 10 tests, your DCR is 100. And you have to be above a certain level to be to get the stars and I don't know what those are. Add has them in her books. And then 15 down to bottom is just what things you need supplies, I just want to write it a quick note. And then I guess I'm Melinda didn't get out the vt forms. The visa form, I did it again, I know the ones that did with me last year. Know that I did it again, I'm doing it again this year. Because the problems I'm I keep getting is, um, a lot of people are not putting the time the date, and they're not initially the vt test, the verification tester. So I have on this part, when you guys do this part, you are my verification tester, you're doing the paperwork for me, you are doing the test for me. So make sure that you're and I carry it over to when you do your vt fifth test for real that your testers are dating and initially and putting the times down on that pre melt column. You can either do when you're verification like I'm going to go out and I will do Lisa's hurt as a verification test. I go out there for the pre milk and I can do one of three things on the pre milk. I watch her milk, I take the milk from her and I weigh it and I recorded on the mark barn sheets. I watched her and I watched the goat leave. And then I feel the utter to make sure she melted out all the way and she's not saying that a little bit for tomorrow. And then so on that shift if I'm just watching her I do check the letter, I can put a checkmark or a zero for each of those numbers in the vt column or in the premium, you have to have something you can't just leave it blank. And then go on to the first milking and second milking. Then I will go in for the next shift and I will do a regular test I take the mail from or wait record the wait, take half a sample come to the next shift. Repeat on make sure you milk your goats in the same order.
Um,
so everybody has a chance. And down at the bottom, there's two signature spots. Make sure you are signing under where it says I'm verification supervisor. That is you. That's you doing the paperwork, that's your signature, then you send all this stuff in with the regular paperwork, I fill out the bottom plus the results from this test. So when you guys work on this on the verification test that helps when other questions are one other thing that gets missed a lot is this age column on the verification form. Write this down somewhere because it's age at kitty not the age she is at that day. The age at kidding. And you will find that on all paperwork. These are samples of the icy pages from the dairies themselves. And the agent kidding is found down here. On this, this side here where my finger thumb is it says a check kitty. And then to fill out the recipe for use the total line and you go across the total line and that's on this side of the paper. And then when they want to know the the predicted mouth which is the 305 column so use the 305 pounds for the mouth protein and fat Milk, protein, fat and protein. Sorry. But um,
and then.
So any questions on filling that form out? I got it, I got a list here. All my nails, my nelkin questions. So it just basically follow this down. I had a gal from the lab, take the test. And she's never filled one of these things out, but she managed to she did it. All right.
So, um,
and like I said, these tests are not graded. I just need him for proof that you did the test, you did the certification class. Some people would just do it by mail. But we I need something in my little hands. So when they start asking questions, okay, who attended the classes who, who did what I can scan the sheets, and the one sheet that I need the most. Back is this one here, this is the application that has all your information in there. And then you sign the top line. And you're no, you put your test your number on the top line, your signature goes on the second line, and I sign it on the bottom line. Now I'll send this back to you. And it's just a way for me to make sure that all the my information is correct each month each year. So um, and then I this is what I usually just send back to them, proving that I certified you yours certified tester. Even if you are doing your own farm, you can be a tester for somebody else. If you have a tester who comes to your farm and you don't do your testing, going through this test allows you to go to someone else and do a verification test or help somebody out. So, um, any questions or answers?
Kathy, um, I wanted to let everybody know that if you do out, I will fill out one of these tests. And I will make that available after a couple days. If everybody feels if anybody feels particularly confident, you can either scan it or take pictures with your phone and send it to the email address from where the materials and instructions came out. And I will pass categorize those, put on a spreadsheet and then pass them on to Kathy, just to make it easier for everybody. So Sweetie,
yeah, a string is on the vt is, um, if you had to permit strings, like we were talking about earlier, if you had a permit string, I'm a newbie and send it permit string of sables get what those would be two strings, but I have on that VTX permalink. But I have one to make it easier. And most, most I don't, I don't think I've ever seen a vt with two strings on it. So it just they want all the answers. They want all the you know, lines filled out. And also to down here on number eight. Number nine on the ve t test when you get that part is to just list weather conditions, feedings or recent things. It's always nice to put something in there. really rainy weather on vt test. So there's lots of mud, the ghosts are working in the mud or playing in the mud. They're getting their feet all yucky. And I had one gal where she had her VTX scheduled she got feed in like three days before it and actually the feed was bad and her milk weights tanked. She was she couldn't get anybody else to reschedule. So she had to go ahead and do it. But she noted that she got bad feet and that samples paint and just just, you know, just be he is I'd like to have all my bases covered. So you know, if it's something is out of place out of weird market, it doesn't change your results at all it just let them know that okay, you know, you had lightning the night before, you know, lightning the night before your test starting. Your ghosts are just all wired and they didn't let their meltdown. Well that's you know, that's a thing to let add you know that okay, this is what what's going on. And these milk weights are the best I could do on that test day. So anybody else? I see everybody's feeling questions out. That's good.
So
well, we're about two hours, I guess. So if I'm sure if you guys have questions. Email me at dairy period and the letters d h, i a at wha hyphen r dash whatever you want to call it. d h a.com. And then my phone number here work is 3608 no 7550375 that's the landline here. And if you get stuck at night or something and need a question, my cell phone it's a work cell phone is 360-319-8336 Now sometimes my phone does not work at my house. Why I do not know. But, um, message me you can text me if you want we have unlimited text message. And also if you guys are you know, really need need something, you can try to find me on Facebook and I'll accept you, I got a lot of goat, I got a lot of go I got Melinda on my Facebook. So it's it's fun to see the baby goats running around. And then the goats I enjoy those pictures. And I used to show them to my mom, all the little goat pictures and stuff like that
I love them. So
there are ways of getting hold of me. And if you're don't get panic, if you can't figure something out, I had a gal on test date, she was brand new, very brand new, didn't know anything. what she was doing, she found me on Facebook, she would take a picture of what she was doing, and made sure she was doing it right, she would send it to me. So yep, you're doing fine. And then she would send the next picture. Um, yes, you will, Roxy, you'll get proof that you'll get that sheet back. This one here. So, um, so and then she did her next step. And then she take a picture of it. So if you're really I mean, you're really stressed out and you don't know what you're doing. Don't worry about it, we can I can walk you through it. And everything. So it's and like I say, once you get through the first couple times and testing, you'll be good by the end of the season, you'd be really good. And then you can get into entering more things on your barn sheets like breeding your classifications, your first and second choice for for breeding. We can enter health comments, there's a lot to do on that paperwork, that when you get your IC page back, you have a complete complete picture of what you have this one here. I don't know if you can see it or not. But they actually have health comments down here. You can record your your vitamins, you give them your posi your copper, who they're bred to. I have one gentleman that does. And Melinda will know him. But he records his best to show the best of utter his ribbons, his PT eyes, PT as I mean he records everything under health. And it just gives a complete picture. So but that's nothing you need to worry about right now. For the new ones, all you need to worry about is the kidding date. That's the only thing you need to worry about. And that's it. If you get the correct breeding breeding date with the correct pedigree, you're off to a good start.
She needs an email type. So anyway, any other questions? You want me to stick around and answer any questions are we can say goodnight and go home. It's up to you guys. Melinda
they're available to hang out for 10 minutes or so we'll just see who filters out and if anybody wants to stay and ask questions, please feel free to and if we have a vacancy within you know 30 seconds so we'll get the answer here that work.
Yeah. Yeah, like I said, you know, you can get these tests wrong. So like when I think come in through email that I've sent them out email and they're had questions I put the right question I put the answer. Put an explanation. No, you guys. Well, I'm gonna take off you guys all have a good day. I'm gonna go Home rest. Thank you. You're welcome, you guys, and I love seeing all you guys come in. So, um,
question hopefully, um, as a
new herd owner, what
do we have to do to get set up to do lab submissions with you guys, if
we're under tester you need to fill out and Melinda's paperwork that she gave you a couple of things we're
it's the membership agreement. There's two pages of that and the natural disclosure records, get those filled out first and scan them and email them back to me. That way, I can give you her code number. If you're brand new, I linked like to know for you what processing center you want to use. If you don't have a choice, or you don't care, I'm gonna send you Demeter course. They're the ones I do with a lot. And they're the ones that I get on the computer with down there in Provo, I actually get on their computer system, I run miners through it. That's why if there are problems or anything like that, then I can be able to, to correct them right away and rerun your herd and get your stuff out. Immediately. Just last week, I had a gal Finally, email me, she said Oh, I didn't put the dry date and the fresh straight date down on my herd. So her lactation was continuing. So it was she emailed me I was able to go back three months, put the dry date in there, put the fresh straight in there and rerun forward and got her corrected pages. So it's it's not hard, we can correct stuff. But after your first test, like I said, make sure you check the pedigree, check the registration, check the birth date, check the fresh date, make sure all those are in place. I can correct them. But when they go through the system. And you tell me six months later, yeah, I can correct this no problem. But now we got to submit all the records back to CDC B in order for them to get all caught back up again with the correct information. Any other questions? Don't be afraid.
I have a quick question just to clarify. So if we choose to do owner sampler or over sampler a Are you still need that the test when you're between those? Yes. Between those days?
Yeah. Okay. 50 and 150. The 60 and 50 days amount? Yes, for any stars or any breed leaders, you have to have it. If you're like I had one gal she said she wasn't going to worry about it this year. Her goats were way down this year. And she's actually just going to dry him up and quit for the year. She had medical problems, family problems and stuff like that. That's fine, but it's also very important to send in that dry test. What's your go to dry? You have like four of them dry still milking. Okay, you send it in the barn sheets with the four dates. Two are still milking next test the final the last two will are dry now. Pick a date site put a date on the paperwork 15 at least 1516 days after and put the dry dates on the last two it closes up their records so that ad go can look at it Okay, she kidded here she dried here. The number of days that's the number of days the butterfat production says the, the male production is this. So it's all too so it's all finalized. So let's say you're not going to kit out until four months later, send it in, send your paperwork in about two months later. Pay the processing fee again and you'll get a fresh punch effect. It just add go wants you to continue if you're going to be on test, they just need to come in. But if you have a big span of four months, kind of divvied it up and send it in two months later with another dry test. Your two months out just wait and start and then record it again. Okay, yeah, cuz in where we live. We have really really harsh winters.
And I like to dry everybody up by October so that that way we're not out there and three feet of snow. So that's, that's the reason why I didn't want to do the owner sampler is because I wanted the stars and I was told that we couldn't get stars that way. So yeah, so it sounds like that would be best for us except for I do have one that might make it to top 10 she, yeah, so we just purchased her and I mean, her records are really really nice from last year. Um, do you recommend that I would should do the owner sampler AR just because of her? Or just to get my feet wet? Should I just do owner sampler to try to get stars on the rest of my girls?
Wow, that's a tough one. If you have a breed later, you might think about having a neighbor or something certified do this test, do the test. first patient and have her do it every month. I would hate to see her if she's a breed their content contention or, or can be I would hate to see her not make that. But it's your I mean, you can mail do owners Apple AR I would do AR at least
to get a star at her records on the pedigree. So the records are still in place. Oh, okay. All right. And so what is I'm sorry, what is the difference between so you're saying to get her records on in place, we have to do that a r? So what is the difference between the A R and the
standard? Okay, the AR is in that's that's the tricky point. You got to Melkor goes for 240 days. Okay, that's the end you got to have them in milk for 240 days with eight tests. And then if they then once you accomplish that and they qualify for the stars then they get the stars plus the recognition of the milking records on the pedigrees on owner simply owner sampler when you meet the qualifications for the star, you can start dropping them off. There is no no set days or anything. Okay, yeah, and then but you don't get no recognition on the paperwork. You just get it just a owner star stamp or owner sampler star.
Okay, now and then with the standard if I have my neighbor, do this and take a testing from and and test for us once she comes once a month, three times a day. Correct? The one spur the the one spur the make sure it's milked out and then the am and pm testing. Okay, then, um, okay, so then, if we do that, do we have to milk the 240 days? Or can we stop when they reach the certain amount? And just keep the one dough that is a possible contender?
Keep adding milk. Right, you could dry the rest up and keep milking just her.
Yeah, okay. All right.
Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think the the answer is once they meet the coffee, meet the production, she has to qualify and two of the three are meet the record, then you can start drawing her up. So I don't think there is any set date that you have to let somebody else knows. Okay. Yeah. But like I said, if if you have any questions you can guys email me if I don't know I will find out for you. I will you email Lisa Sheppard, which I usually talk to she's my go to person and Adam. Um, sometimes I know people who have been on test for a long time I asked them to um, sometimes I do have a facebook facebook goat page. It's Washington dairy goats. I think it is that you can ask questions on there too. And I'll try to get back on that too. But it's easier to do it on my my facebook profile for breeding tip you have Oh, for breed leader you have to milk 305 days so there is a there is a date. Someone just picks up
okay.
So it's up to you know, I know harsh winters are harsh. So I know it's um, I just I hate to say a good goat. Because that goat when she kids out her babies are going to be worth more her offsprings are going to be worth a lot. It's it's, it's playing, you know, both sides of the equation. Because she's good, you're gonna get good kids out of that the good kids are going to be worth more when you sell them. Okay, Yeah, thank you. It's all pedigree. The pedigree within the system. Oh, are still going to give credit towards elite. And SG five. So I learned new things. Any other questions? You guys? Yeah, you hear me, Kathy? Yeah.
So one of my question was that just to clarify the dose that I purchased to start my herd with that have already been on milk test,
I need to go back to those original owners and ask for their dough control number. Well, and, or if you give me a registration number and let me know I can go on CD CB and get their control numbers from there, you
can look it up. Okay, I can go on CD CD. And then my other. My other question is when you say a melcor, is that the same thing as saying, Provo? Yes,
thank you, Amelia. For out,
I call it pro ball, mill a car. Okay.
The proper one, and that's the one I like. But, um, a lot of my Texas hurts that I have in Louisiana herds, they use gmrs. And dmrs is, has the ability to do you guys could get online and look at your records online and get information offline. But the cost is like three times a meal at core. So like, I have a goat herd that for six goat goats, or it was like 562 and six coats at dmrs it's like 15 bucks. But they like the the convenience of it. So it's totally up to you where you want to send your records to, and you can switch in the middle of lactations if you want to try a new lab, it doesn't matter. You know, we just you signed a release and and we transfer you from one place to the next and know your records follow the meet accord to me since I've used probe of so many years, it's a little harder for me to read. It's um, when I fill out that the paperwork and stuff, I have a hard time finding information on it. And the other thing I don't like about it is amela core when you put your register your goats on the on the paperwork, you have a spot for the Father's name and the father's registration number. Most of you guys that I know use the Bucks by me or know the Bucks by name. So when you're looking at the paperwork and you see john as the as the buck, you know who you know who john is. The Medicare doesn't use the names, they just use the registration numbers. So to me, that's harder because the now you're looking up a registration number unless you know that off the top of your head, I think to me is a little harder. I would know the name faster than I would know the registration number. That's the only the only drawback I find on it. And then when you're recording triplets, I maybe I still have to learn recording triplets is a little harder in the in their system than it is provel system. So, but it's Yeah, like I say it's the convenience of doing what you want to do with your records. So I'm not against I you know, not not against anybody going wherever they want to go as long as they want to test. So you know, you're welcome anybody other?
No, no, no, no.
Did Melinda go somewhere?
No, I'm still here. Okay. Last very, very last attendee
Yeah, it seems like yeah, quite a few people left, but that's all right.
I have a question.
Can you hear me? Yeah.
Okay. Um, I have
three questions, actually. Okay,
so the
the test that we did, I did it through the Google Drive and submitted it that way. Do I still need to print it out and send it in with the other paper? I think I think Melinda is going to take care of all that. If she if you did it on there. She was going to Weren't you going to do that? Melinda?
Yeah, I'll do the collaboration on that. And I will make sure that there it is very clear before I send it to Kathy. Okay.
Do I need to print the other paper out and fill it out and send it in anyways, though?
No, I'll make sure to that you get a fillable. pdf in the next day or so. Okay, time to accomplish it today.
Okay, perfect. And then my other question is,
you guys had said that, obviously, no family or financial interest could be your tester. So what about if I might, if I've purchased those from the person who's doing my testing or vice versa? Are they still able to do my testing or be my verification tester, since they technically have an interest in that dough Okay, that was one of the very good question because one of the that question came up a couple of weeks ago, and I emailed if you bought a goat from somebody, and it's in your herd, it's in your name, the person that sold it to you, she can be your verification tester on that day. It doesn't make sense to me, but that's what Lisa said. Um, but you can vice versa. You can't she can't test yours. And then you go test hers. You can vice versa on anything on any test at all. So either it totally is the goat. So if it's under my registration, say they're registered under my farm name, and I sell them to my friend. I can't then be their tester with the goat that's under my farm name. No, if she, if she, if it's on your if it's on her farm, but it's still in your name. No, you couldn't be a tester. Okay, I'm just I, but it would be registered to them. But obviously, the registration name because like through ad guy would have my Oh, that would be that part would be fine. Okay. Okay. So as long as it's registered to them, even though it has my herd name on it, it's fine. Right? Because the financial interest is gone. Okay. To make sure. You can't You can't place your goat in her herd. Because she wants to milk it for a while or whatever else as a surrogate mom or something. Okay, and then no test. Yeah, you couldn't test. Okay, if you have sold her and all the rights to her, and not it's not a lease, you can't lease it to her. But if it's sold and now registered to her farm, then it's okay. Right. Okay. And then one more question. Sorry. Um, I have a doe that developed mastitis and only produces out of one side of her utter Mm hmm.
Is she still
able to go on milk test? How would I, you just in case you put you would make a notation under the health results, milking only one side of butter. Okay, so that it won't I mean, she, it will hurt her record a little bit because she's half the milk. But yeah, you can still test her. Okay. Okay. Perfect. All right. I think that was all my questions. Thank
you very much.
That's fine. Thank you. Kathy, can
you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Um, I am completely new to all of this. But so I've been just listening and observing and everything. But going along the lines of what? The girl that just asked you about testing someone else's heard who now has some dose from us? They're completely owned by them. It's been completely transferred. If I went and tested his herd, I'm understanding you're saying that he could not in return, come and test my herd. Is that correct? Right. Yes. Just wanted to clarify that completely.
Yep. Yep. That's just it's called reciprocal testing and add good doesn't want that. Because then if you do that, then there is a vested interest in it. You do me a favor. I'll do you a favor. Right. Makes perfect sense.
I just wanted to make sure that I understood that correctly.
Yep.
I also have a kind of a weird question along those lines. Um, so I paid for stud service from a fellow breeder and my dough is pregnant. She sold that sire to somebody that I'm wanting to form group testing with. So this desire of my not yet born kid would be owned now. by someone I'm wanting to go into group testing with is that a problem? No. Okay, good.
The same line, but we don't test the sire. So sires are completely out of it. It would be if you leased a goat, like I said, if you lease it out to him, so he can breed her in or I don't know why people lease it, obviously. I think it's to get the babies I guess. They get to keep the babies out of Elise girl, but, um, as long as he's got everything, it's under his name in a group test, because there was a group test question that I had asked Lisa. About, and she said no, so that would be perfectly fine. Okay. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. Anybody else? Don't be scared.
Hi, Jana.
So rescue must be new.
He doesn't have his thing on Oh,
oh, okay. Um, are you under standing everything?
That's good.
Pretty much it's overwhelming it is. I'm not gonna lie about that. I know people who are brand new, get very try to wrap their minds around everything to get the test done. I understand that. But um it's not as complicated as you'd think people make. I think people overwork it. Actually, for some of the ones that are still left, let's see if we can do another. Oops. Okay, come on.
There you are.
Let's see if I can do another screen share.
I'm
not gonna work. I had I had a
Melinda, how do I
do open up another folder?
For
for a screen share. I have to have it open. You said right.
Yeah, open it up on your computer, and then come back to the zoom screen, hit the screen share button, and it will give you the option to select which screen you would like to share.
Okay, so I got turned it off, right?
Just whatever you need to open the file and then open the zoom window again. In
this case for the new ones. This is kind of a fun video. Pictures.
No, that's not there.
Well, it's it. Um, it was a YouTube video for the new ones. Type in go testing for D HIV, and you will get up a gal from um, twin pines farm she's in Oregon, I believe. She did a little video and very well. She explains testing from the beginning to the end and doing the milk sampling and packing them up and pouring the milk back and forth. That was really good. So and then there's another one that add gimme. So there's couple of YouTube videos out there you guys can always look at trend payers is from us. So it's kind of related to our how we pack our samples how we number them. Stuff like that. So it's kind of a good little one. Put this link in chat.
Oh,
well let me try. I find it first.
I never tried to do that.
Were pitsco pics. Because you do this See? Oh okay, let's see. screen. Okay,
where are you at now?
Okay. Screen chat.
See if I can get it
Okay, Melinda.
What is it that what you're looking for?
It's turn pairs. Your hot twin pair. Twin pairs. Yeah. crimp pairs video is d tie melt testing. I haven't here but I don't know how to.
Is it titled Rdh IML test day beginning to end?
Yes.
Okay. Can you play it?
I thought it was a good one. It wasn't very long either. So it was kind of nice. And she is dmrs. So her paperwork looks a little different. But she uses all the same equipment. Is there sound to it?
Can you not hear?
No, I can't.
Let me post the link for you. Okay, thanks. Sorry about that. I'm not sure why there's no yeah.
So any other questions? You guys? Looks like everybody left? No, not yet.
25 people here
Well, I'm going to head on out you guys. Um, nice meeting you give me an email. Like I said, my computer's my emails usually open all the time, so I can see you guys come across. Oh, I see it's top of my head. So I'll see you later Melinda. Um, if you have any questions, you could call me. Okay, bye.
