9:00PM Jul 10, 2022
So I'll go ahead and start recording now. Okay, recording property
meeting minutes only actions and commitments Yes.
Dr. Newmark with attending the
two meetings so far this year and he was president
and Ben had assigned myself minutes to go through the roster. And reach out and contact all of these appointees. I also have contacted the voice message. So it is disingenuous when we have folks who are on these committees and don't are disregarding the obligation to at least give us a written report.
What are the rules is it you know, don't report back you get kicked off the committee and if there aren't any rules can can put
anything in writing, okay, that's what we're getting.
And you can't withdraw someone from the committee we can only nominate to a committee we don't have that authority.
Count. So the bylaws Do state board appointed duty to report to the board. appointees of the board to external bodies shall report to the board on activities and they turn allottee upon which they serve and shall do so regularly as requested by the president or maturity of the members of the board. This provision applies to all appointees of the board, including current existing appointees. Cool. Well, what's enforcement?
I mean, meaning that they're not saying you're forced
into your right column and column that says what the board should do if the appointees do not, you know, abide by
everybody serving at the pleasure of the appointed body. So it's on the appointee with the pointer.
Here's us to the point. Let me just let me bring you on the date. So everybody would be on the same page and we will, when we come up with whatever it is. We all know why. Most of our appointees do try to make contact with us at least once or twice a year, and when we interview them, the right to the interview to make appointments. If are we remember we will we tell them that we have APAB expects that you will come and make reports to the general body? We do not expect that you have to be there every general body meeting, but at least two or three times a year. I know all of you better been on posters happier. No, that has been one of the things that always was him one of the questions that hit me was beltline tab four slots available that we need to appoint somebody to. So I've got our chair before we get deeply into that to find out if they're meeting what the schedule is and you know the kinds of things that they're discussing. I did not want to contact the head of that board until I did my homework to find out whether our people were attending. One of the things I did learn is that some do some don't. And they and I know that there have been some issues with that. For Jimmy Stewart.
Maybe they instituted rotate act if you miss more than somebody meetings you are off, you're automatically removing for more than how many are forgotten. If you missed a certain number of meetings, you're removal from the board was automatic.
Well, I'm going to copy that and call now recent apply genius Dent to ask her if she had been attending since she was born. And she said that she thought she had to be the executor expert. And so I asked so what is your opinion? She said well, basically you're talking about stuff that they decided on a year ago, two years ago, which means that I'm trying to read to catch up so that I don't know what they're talking about. But at least I'm learning some of it as I'm sitting there. I can understand why people don't go if they're not understanding what's being discussed. So I told her that I was going to send out an email to all of our TADAC appointees asking them to appear at the office meeting. And we want to give them each a minute or two to tell us their overall impression. It doesn't seem prudent to go through all that we have to go through and all that stuff. I have the right to send to the city to get the appointments, you know, activated and then the people get there, get discouraged don't come back because they don't really understand what's going on. And I'm kind of thinking that that may be part of the reason someone who don't go or things and I know a few years ago, they canceled cancelling meetings or something like that.
Well, I'm not sure about what happened during pandemic but when I was serving on TADAC, I had consistently had trouble making core meetings. And these meetings were not all that easy to attend. They were down in town 430 In the afternoon on a weekday.
So yeah, we need to hear from so I'm going to ask them to please just give them a minute each to just tell us their overall impression. We might need to make some recommendations to these boards that this is what we're getting from our appointees, and you need to really ask other appointees, their interpretations. Because, you know, we all were volunteers, we have volunteers we're learning and we have to constantly make changes they might need to make some to
TADAC only exists so that Avi can say that tidak did absolutely nothing other than to exist a geography playing.
One of our previous appointments when I say we can be she
concern because I've looked at some of the listing of all of the various businesses and departments that are and apply it to a particular or some of them are up here, a split license. Some of them are a few answer this chief than direct of this, and then you get down and you're appointing the community people everyday. People. And you have to wonder, how are our appointees being see in these meetings? Are their opinions being heard? And are they being accomplished? So we've done I'm sorry, we've never since I've been with a bet we've never take the time to just take a look at what the pros do having to again, talk to our people disappointed to find out, do you feel that this is, you know, beneficial to you, and why are you not bringing back stuff to eat? This one? First? We tell them you need to report to APAB. They come sometimes when they do come and give us a very generic report. But you still don't really know what's going on on those boards. So that's the Executive Committee. Just so you know. That is one of the goals and objectives. I would propose that we can between now and December. We need to get a handle on our appointees to the board and their feelings about their the seriousness of their game cannot be for a second. I wouldn't make it clear enough or not. But is that something that you will agree to as being one of our goals? Between now
I wouldn't be all for that with the tiny mind factor play it wholeheartedly
we frame it again
as one of our goals between now and December 31 is to assess everyone our staff people are pointing to and have our people communicate to us their impressions. Do you feel the need to just be brief survey that we said Do you feel that do you feel comfortable on this board? Are you do you feel your recommendations are heard? Just tell us what you think? Because it's one thing for us to point them and said we're gonna hold them responsible to us. But then if we're not doing what we need to do to support them. I can just didn't bother about getting the responses that we should. So I'm wanting to make that recommendation that that's one of our goals. If you are with consent, you
probably can add on to that that we may be just move forward and make some type of recommendation that says that board appointees within 30 days. After you're set whatever meeting you're attending, there needs to be a report that like just very simply like you attend the meeting within 30 days we need to report
within 30 days of their attendance
within 30 days, I think right so 30 days of a meeting I think is reasonable.
We had an extremely capable corporate TADAC appointee. I think we was appointed back earlier this year. He's also the president of a very Tony subdivision on the Beltline. So they told me in my party via the person that's his Virginia highlands of the southeast.
Just don't hear the word use very oh yeah because it was
on board yeah yeah. In our council person says that is their Virginia Highness in the South because it is so but the thrust of it is he resigned last month. He resigned and he said his part of his resignation was like what you just mentioned, a lot of those folks are executives who are into by view of the politics that affect everything, monies and so forth. There are people in the room who were clueless, he said, he said there were people who would get up and say things that had no clue that it did not align with the politics, the bigger politics of what was going on visa vie the Beltline visa vie. So when you say that you're talking about a mixture of the chiefs and the directors and all that you get folks to your point who are really are clueless, I can see why they would not come back. I think when you're appointed to certain of these boards, you got to be on the machinations of the city. It's got to be something you enjoy. That's something that that's why it's so dangerous.
Put the weight of that responsibility on the meeting facilitator. When you put it bring a group of people together with the objective being that everyone's voice has equal weight that's up in meetings. Exactly.
Make contact with or even to say, you know, we've said such and such and such how, how good is your policy or making sure that they understand or do you have something in writing that you can send to us that we can get to them beforehand? We have made the kind of contacts with polls that we should be making so that we can help our people.
Sure. Well, and like I was telling you about a young woman did end up nominated for appointment on the Beltline. That was my whole reason for checking back with her just to see how she was doing and how she was function with the board. And that's when I was told that they don't even consider my opinion out of voices to be heard. What while we're on the subject, let's look through the list of openings or openings. Where is this? What about it? With the I'm not pointing to paint. Where's the list
of things that we will make appointments to send that out to everybody. This is July, she sent it out at the end of the day. Shan Shan Shan
municipal clerk's office got together and they kind of cleaned it up a little bit, especially for our sessions. And she sent that out as an attachment to the email and may not have
been forwarded to I don't recall seeing so many other things. First I know I was so we
know the scope what else do we want to accomplish by December 31. So that at the end of this year when I do the apex apex in the year of 2022. What do we want to be able to show in our first annual report, because we will be and when I say we this is not can this is we all of us have been working on this before and we need to be able to share things that we've accomplished. So I'm open for suggestions as well. We want to try and do goals because we don't even have a real goal set objectives listed anywhere.
I can say our greatest accomplishment of the number of resolutions that we're pumping out. That's our
that's an accomplishment but that's mostly you know, we're doing that. I'm saying what is it that we want to do now starting today, through December 31 to get a pat on the back?
Well, we want to have the website up and running and up to date. We want to have policy and procedures on the operation as website as well as
I know that we all have difficulty contacting the and and there's a volunteer he paid me that is I'm assuming that says profession and it may be taking up his time but we need to get that done that we only have this room, it becomes imperative that we need to get a summary for our website. I know that we don't have that leeway to change what the original grant application says. But this was my that was 2020 If it becomes necessary for us to use some of that money to get our website up and running. I would like to have a tear chair listening to me. I'd like to have the website up and running no later than August.
Well, the website is is up and running but fully
up and running. I mean fully getting the information out of the genders. Anything that comes from our leads all of this stuff, we need to be putting the clips in our meeting notices for leads where they gotta be. So it says you are working with Dan, if you can first guess find out that he's okay. I mean, because I think it's kind of odd that he's not answering any of us that kind of words that you might be he'll and we don't even know if you get in touch with him find out how then ask him if we need what we need to do to get up and running before completely overriding before April 5, I'm sorry, August 15. Also, we need the email addresses. I know he's already worked on that. So it should be able to get those those to us immediately. counted. Like look,
we don't have communication problems. So I totally get crossed that hurdle. And
I sent an email the same thing, which kind of made me feel like maybe he wasn't feeling well or something like that. Because normally you would, you know send me an email back.
So when before everybody else came in who did we decide who's going to do the wellness check for him? I'm just hoping that he is okay. And he's just
changed it. So I went to the email address that we
suggested That's why no this should be a one man show because same tissue, no more weed. Everybody's called him because he's going to the meetings it just seems like it's disingenuous to take on the role and feel.
Pin volunteer to do that. And I think cow tear charity, we're working with him so it's totally voluntary. And I don't know he may be on a job that has taken him away from his immediate surroundings.
And moving forward, though, let's say it's, it's decided or it's it comes to a point where Mr. Benn is no longer able to do the emails or the website. Is that a conversation I have right now about what are we going to do in moving forward? Because it seems like we may be at that
point. This point. That's why I'm asking if we can utilize some of the money that we have. If we need to. You know, finish a sentence. I'm just starting. And everybody is granddad working her to death. But this is what Leslie does. So if it comes to things where you might have to use her services with you or whatever, just tell me what comedian a bad is one. Point 8.1 Exactly.
So we'll take responsibility, just to either get it done or or just shift or whenever we
need it. Can we miss maybe set a deadline?
is August 15. Cherry how soon can you make today is Sunday they can get back to me?
I don't know but it's on July 6, so we'll discuss it in committee. this coming Saturday.
Just send me your full academic content. This is critical. We can come in and hide this now for three years, four years. So we need to get this done. And I know that at one point in time they did pay somebody to get it done and it did not get done. So. So
to respond to your inquiry, a SS have flexibility to redirect its grant funds. It would be greatly appreciated like times 10 with a parent spend that money by the end of the year. somehow someway. Oh, thank god.
I can't break any other money until we get that taken care of. So we got to give a close up
though in the website. That's That's correct. The website is not while you could redirect those funds to the website. I don't think there's any reason to have to pay someone to do it. I know that the Committee on Apex could handle that if they had to, but the website is already built. And now you're looking from what it sounds like to me. You're just looking forward to be maintained ahead. Exactly. Yeah. So our office could help with that. Mr. Was Mr. Kessler the other one, we could help with that. We can talk about that. Because it's a lot
more volunteer to maintain.
It's gonna ask actually because your department does self maintaining web presences for the tree condition. The RV. The housing condition, right. So this, I don't
think we have a web presence for the PCA and CRP you may you may not see this website. Yes.
Oh, yes. Yeah, no, not anything off site, the more robust and just raised an agenda right. So if there's other things that we needed, at least in the short term, if we post the bylaws or something,
honestly, I mean, we average out just point out among friends that we don't have the staff to make this a full time date every day Monday through Friday type of job. But if you're talking about uploading agendas, meeting minutes, resolutions, public notices that kind of stuff we could do that with this. There's no reason that we couldn't handle that.
Could that be worked in conjunction? Well. I was gonna offer more help actually. Maybe y'all can really maybe if y'all could focus on like the that kind of stuff, the agenda and stuff while maybe somebody else, it was able to focus on maybe uploading whatever else or social media, whatever it is, could it be more of a joint effort? That's what I was gonna say.
We're not going to take on social right, okay. Frankly, my team I'm not pleased with our own social so I would not seeing that on a path at all jewelry coaching the agenda.
Already we have a brand rebrand and
we started or something like that. So we already posted the agenda for that and a lot of other relative information
That's that's just not a problem at all the social have the time that but the website is
okay, well, we'll, we'll take it on video.
Does anybody know what platform that website is is Squarespace or Wix is one of things WordPress, WordPress. Okay, secure. That
has an email address. Have you get that?
Somebody got a hold a bit
pushed forward and pushed for No, man. So, so Ben did send me the email with promises. I actually the only communication I've ever received from Ben was literally, here's your login information from your email. I haven't ever even said hello to Ben in person, nothing else. So that's the last thing I've ever gotten. From Ben. So when did you get there? Maybe about a month and a half ago now. Are we?
For the record I was considering or thinking that we were talking about Ben Howard because no joke because he's older. I was really concerned. I was really concerned. But Norman he's young enough to respond back. So now that's that's also concerning
Jesus. So we'll reach out to him again.
Does anybody have his address? You could just knock on the door because that's a real wellness check.
out which isn't very good, but yes, me shy maker. Okay. And we know the same people.
Yes. Okay. So.
Alright, so what I'm going to do now is I'm going to be bugging you for if I call you our response. I want you all to think about what we want to accomplish between now and December 31. Because this will be the first year that we will have a European report. I want something that is common was recently sent first.
Mr. Rue does your offer to facilitate or help provide facilitation of effort retreats or planning sessions don't stand?
I don't know. I don't have my budget yet. I should have had it by now. We ordinarily have it the last week of June 1 week of July. There have been some from what I'm hearing some sort of approvals, holed up between the second floor and our office so we don't have a budget yet.
So we do because we did stayed in the game to try and have a retreat. And we wanted to go back to doing our neighborhood matters of wars. Some point. So
my answer yes, my almost surrogate will be a guest. I can't think of a scenario where I wouldn't bust my butt to find the money for that. But I do have one other kind of big dollar item that may or may not be funded and I'm waiting to fit my budget to find that out. But I really it's important to me that a path planning
outside consultant cost Oh no. It's
gonna be somebody outside of Yeah, no, I'm doing this. If that's what y'all want. I absolutely want for someone with the expertise to pull that off to help you all do some real strategic planning and come up with a 12 month 36 month and a five year plan five big teen years now. Although that does make sense. Leslie,
can you please send me that email as to exactly address where to go to start? Advocating for next year's budget for your department? Okay. No, I can do that. I just went day What is it called? What room I will be there. And I'll just start the process now for next
year. Yes. So it's to committee I mean, to meetings that would be most relevant the cdhs. Committee of the city council and
committee if you wanted to or not their committee, what was the second one? In my included Council? The vote
count. Okay. Okay. Monday
cdhs weeks every second report Tuesday. I was about to say the third or second committee, but the third meeting that it would be beneficial to attend would be the finance committee but I think that's secondary to cdhs because you you definitely would want support from the cvhs. committee before finance would even give a document about what you have to say.
So don't even worry about that. Just focus on cdhs
covered cdhs and Co counsel you would be fine.
Okay, would you city council person Okay, that's cool.
For us to add items that we
found. You can do that to put the boards to task force to interview all of our core teams. and interview them to get their feedback on their perceptions of the boys that have been appointed to whether they take that role on that board is viable and they feel like you're accomplishing some power that we're bringing that back to this board. This board decided what we want to do with that. What's the second one? The second one was to get that website active by the 15th of August. And stay
on top to nice parents and still waiting for her appointment.
Jenny's parents have pointed her to the
Jenny's parents received her appointment to nice Paris's names. It was the first of this for the first meeting. Two exams the 14th two pieces to nice The appointment is my paperwork, the depth, Denise's paperwork, went in with Dorothy Hearst last year. Debbie did that right. And then when I sent him the two that I checked, and two knees had already been processed, as well as Dorothy years. And so then when Eric and Mr. Andrews were appointed, the Commission sent me that information about the first meeting and all for our warranties. We're on their email addresses and everything. So to Nisa saying that she has not received
signs to waiting. Yes, she's not been notified because he missed one I don't know she should have done this like she had not been but I don't know. The first
thing first to tell her I will check that Monday. I'll get in touch with her. Okay because they have her showing is on the desk. Yes, yes, she's listed on the books. What is the date? February, February, February was appointed around the same time because after a couple of months
public safety task force of the Public Safety
Commission Commission, the task force's
today's and dark day were approved approved by council at their February 7
sent me the information sandwich Give me what it is so somebody must have dropped the ball and and said curve are all texter right now.
And can you tell them tomorrow and what's his name? The environment? Yeah
they never got there.
Angela Anderson on May 16. They are two Moroccan Jews by council so you have to go through that.
I get that but they've been sworn in as yes yes. Well, that's good to know. I'm fully functioning. Yes.
I just want to get back and get back to the goals. By next executive, I guess committee should we be bringing you back goals is that what services were just send them over? To you.
So I'll have a complete list when we get back together again. And then we'll see who's going to do what returns of working each each aspect of okay. Now, we're going to go ahead and move on so we can go to this NPU best practices. You have a copy of the ordinance of the city on SIV 2480. That was the ordinance that Councilman Amos proposed and you also have a copy of an 8page document. Ms. LaRue's staff has already come up with the NPU best practices. Some of these things of course, we have a sheet that says Leah LaRue's notes
about that? Oh, okay. I'm going to copy the three notes from our general
body meeting. Students, some of these have already been appropriated. So I'm going to turn it over to Leah now so we can just start this feel free to come by email for security they have general meeting
discretion on best practices so we can
get started on this I gave you are gonna give you two sheets, but I gave you note sheets. So please put your notes down. Anything that you want to see added to these best practices or questions that we need to work on. please jot down. You can either get back to me or Lena. Scan the system back to the whatever. These best practices, of course, finish right Leah Jesus August. What was the big one was on
August 9 August 23. August 23. That's correct.
That's when it has to go back before council cdhs
is correct. So I do not have much to add other than I can announce that the best practices 22 dash, dash 3414 is listed on all of the July meeting agendas are all for each MPU as a public announcement, I think the name of that section I was started with the name of that section but it's the last section on the agenda I think it's public notice or announcement or something like that. We invite members of the MPU to submit feedback to their income representative or to us directly. I have heard from thus far one NPU to MPU. So I'm sorry, that stated but they definitely intend to submit feedback. someone from our team will attend every MPU meeting this month in case there are questions or concerns or people want to give feedback right there on the spot. We'll be there to take notes on whatever that feedback might be. We did I am personally attending most of these meetings myself but obviously I can't be at every single meetings and some of the meet. Some of them have some nights have more than one NPU and then some MPs have the audacity to be on the same night as my MP. But yeah, we'll be there all month to take feedback and into the beginning of August as well because there are a few of us that don't leave in July. So we'll be around at the beginning of August and to be back. We'll be presenting again to AIPAC this coming Saturday, or present, less of a presentation and more of a you know, here's what you knew from the last time we walked in anything. Taking any new feedback and incorporating that into what we hope will be a final draft that we will then be prepared to present to AIPAC in August now it's my expectation at this point that we will be asking a path for some sort of vote either to sign off on the best practices or to say, you know, support this, or we want to make some edits to it or whatever. It's not necessary. So if a person doesn't want to vote on it, that's fine. too. It would just be good to be able to say that without a vote from AIPAC
draft that were presented to to cvhs I'll present the cvhs either August 23, which is my preference but it is possible
I'm personally not looking at them. I think it's highly unlikely that will present on the life and I really would like to get a third discussion and debate, which would be August that's what
I was gonna mention. Like if if you need support. Also, let's say we'd like to go on the 23rd coming after the APEC meeting on the 25th I think we
can agree. Agree, Lea, yes, sir.
Is this proposed just for clarity is this proposed legislation or a proposed resolution?
Yet no know I think he's talking about it's a final product. You're talking about the final product line, right? It's in the recommended yet the final product so it will not be in the worst news. I can tell you that. I don't know whether it will be documented. I doubt that it will be documented as a resolution but I really don't know. My guess is that it could be a communication or it could be none of the above. Well, it will be a communication either way. If it's nothing else it will be a communication but I don't it's not going to be policy.
No, no Will you guys hold a training or work session with the MPU leadership regarding the final document.
So is that a request to do so.
For friend but
if you want some advice,
actually, would not. Yeah, I was gonna say I want to do it for NP leadership. Frankly, most of the challenges that we have are coming from the body as it relates to leadership that the body is having problems with leadership. So I wouldn't want to have a session just for leadership and exclude the body. If anything, I'd do a public session for any and everyone who wants to attend to walk through it, okay.
So simply these apply to governance party, all of these issues apply the governance process.
Yeah, they're not all and I didn't notice by the way, it just randomly had a conversation or not randomly, but on Friday, I had a meeting with a community leader and realized in that conversation that what we don't have captured here, which is why I wanted to circulate it so widely, so that we don't forget anything. But what's not reflected here is a sort of best practice around make around affiliations with a recognition of neighborhood organizations and business organizations. It's not captured here in a very clear and specific way. And there are definitely good ways to do that in bad ways to do that.
When I say governance, I think that's the hallmark of governance. It's not everybody's just pulling it out of the head, that there is in place some guidance as to how to apply the rules. That's when I say governance is really to seems like this all goes to process. How should you approach these issues and what is the process?
Well, you definitely touch on business participation and be one when under participation, but what you don't go very in depth
is getting these out. of our meeting needs have some that have been submitted by other MPs. I know many
of those for my bra very rough notes that I took for myself not meant for yours as but But Miss Phillips asked if I wouldn't mind sharing it and I didn't there's nothing confidential there but those are my notes from last month's APEC meeting. When people were just raising their hands kind of giving feedback. I was jotting them down.
DCP has to be accountable CDP was a world
meeting that had a bunch of headings on it. I'm sorry that you brought an outline document to that meeting as well.
Yes. That is
all well, I mean, I remember one of the outline topics was records retention, wasn't it? It's still an issue on this piece of paper, unless something was mentioned to be. Interesting, it seemed to me like it was one of the most important communications Oh, I'm sure I was I was looking at one page I must
record keeping an information.
Page, just certain studies is here. It's eight pages but it's printed.
I'm sorry. Oh, yes. This Well, I was I was I was reading that's covered up to a was information sheet. Yes, yes. Just now. Sure. I was I was looking at a different document. Sorry.
Actually, first read this recommendation, rather than reservation session K for outline but not recommendation. COVID. It is Roman.
The only other thing that I would ask of the executive committee and your full body of APAB is please let us please not have this be one of those situations where we have two or three months with something and we wait until the week to submit that really does make life and work a whole lot more challenging unnecessarily. So I will definitely be how you do we will be sending tons of email to the chairs at least reminding them to submit their feedback and ask if you have any questions and if there's anything you want to discuss, I've shared with one NPU in particular, so far, because I've only attended one meeting thus far. But I've shared with one of your particular that if this is a specific issue in your in your neighborhood feel strongly about this and y'all want me to come to your neighborhood meeting. I'm more than happy to do that. We will go to the ends of the earth above and beyond to make sure that when we present the cvhs there is no person or group that can say no one asked me anything or no one I didn't have an opportunity to give feedback. We're doing everything that we can to make sure everyone has the opportunity to weigh in. And that's not to say that every piece of feedback will be included. Some of it will not I don't as of this moment, have feedback that will not be incorporated like as of right now. I have not received any feedback that I can look at and say oh this is not going into best practices other than what I told you last month. Some of it was like the DCP stuff like I'm not putting in the NPU Best Practices DCP's responsibility because that's not appropriate for NPU best practices, but I do agree with that. I do agree with a certain someone that there does need to be some sort of documentation somewhere that it's just not appropriate for this. Yes, ma'am.
I really would like to see in here somewhere where it says that elected officers of the NPU should attend the following NPU university courses.
It's in there,
clear. I'm not seeing it.
I will tell you as soon as I can find it.
But I had looked at everything and I'm like wait either topics
to talk about. It's above communications
or whatever keeps me encouraged. Encouraged, I want something that says that the officers, elected officers do that, in the US maybe encourage elected officers who know the best practices NPU elected officers, appointed officers and other members. Should should participant just be an education opportunity? Okay, that's too broad as to now.
Or can I tell you why we so let me just share this with everyone for context. When I share my first draft of this to our department leadership, at that time, Kevin Bacon was still our Deputy Commissioner, interim deputy commissioner and God civic Hall is still our interim commissioner and DTC which you all don't know and probably have never heard her name before. She's our business manager. But she has been serving in kind of jammies role while serving as interim Commissioner. So all three of them have been participating in my leadership meetings for the MPC stuff. And the feedback that I've got, particularly from jamming it was that it read too much like rules and regulations and not like best practices. So I did amend the language significantly to avoid sounding like rules and regulations because it isn't an ordinance and I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's an ordinance. Frankly, I didn't really think the language was problematic myself because I know that I mean, it didn't say you must do this. You must do that. It was more like what you said but but they did feel very strongly and I didn't disagree at all. It wasn't worth fighting. I think it's important that the public knows that we're this is an overreach like we're not trying to tell you how to write your MPU and I will also point out that in my MPU because we felt very strongly about that too, without training. In my interview. We amended our bylaws to require officers to participate in MP university or free training that's provided by the city. I think there's two or three requirements for elected officers to participate in.
Politically I think what she's saying and I can agree that without the more you could use the word should infuse elected officers appointed.
Oh, everything was should and they felt that that was a little too strong. And I don't disagree necessarily. I think that in this conversation, you've got a lot of context for one you don't need to you know, we're having a discussion about it. But in the hands of folks that may not have been in this room. It could very well read like the city is telling us how we should run our English
are strongly encouraged because make does make it seem like we, you know, come see come sell but if you say strongly encouraged that means that, you know, we're really hoping that people think that
we're not strongly encouraging anything. We're communicating to you what the best practices are. This is what works best in NPS we're not strongly encouraging anything. However, this is a good time to point out that this DCP document and Zcp and Apex document and an apex feel strongly that it should say that it should have stronger language. I'm prepared to defend that in front of cvhs and say this is what we presented. But APEC felt strongly that it should be the other you know, something else. So we modified the language. I'm fine with that. Oh, absolutely.
This is that we were in the same that.
I think we have skirted issues. With a pan and AP US. If this. Amos is saying we need to do this. I think we need to do it. It stated in a way that our end users know that yes, we are actively involved with APM in some way, as it stands right now. A lot of the NVQs said delegates and alternates to the APEC meetings simply because they say we're supposed to, but they don't have any real clue what the connection is with AIPAC. So what has been happening this year and you aren't gonna get a chance to see these but the the leadership roster we have chairs, they're appointed themselves as it were appointed as chair, but they've appointed themselves as the delegate, and some don't even have alternates. So that means if the chair doesn't go back and disseminate information that NPU does get. I think that what we've been asking for more and more people have been asking for is and I don't like the word glory, use the word governance. I don't like the word governance. I like the word guidance. Right. And your best practices to me should be guidance. Once you park elected, this is perhaps your next step. If your chair your chair, the chairs trading, if you have a parliamentarian and so on. And then and I know you know, we might I might have to come to City Hall and help you fight, but we have been battling about this. Some of that now we have an opportunity to pool all of the NP use together in such a way that maybe we can help get rid of some of that conflict. And so that we no need for them to have to have conflict resolution, if they are following best practices, and they know that came through a path this is what a path is. I don't know I'm just I'm just thinking this is our opportunity to eradicate all that foolishness we've been dealing with for so
long. And speaking of making a path more relevant both to the city and the MP us. What do you think under your leadership about AIPAC being doing the mediation acquainting new conflicts taking that burden off the leader in her office where it should be anyway?
Well one of the things about mediation is at the monadic party has to is a mediation arbitration, arbitration is what is legally binding and mediation is not that is legally binding. So what you end up doing is you have the parties come before you you discuss the issues, and then the mediator tries to work with him to come to some kind of conclusion. But if you have a person or some people that are so set in their ways, and Kalaam what's been happening is because people are setting their weight, it's okay,
so I'm asking you, what do you think about a pap? Well,
that's what I was about to tell you. If a PAP does it. If a PAP goes on record here, in the best practices as being the mediator in conflict, conflict resolution, then something somebody will go with me to take the mediation
then that would be fair, so that we could
deliver our account put us in, I would not put us in that position. If I had not taken the mediation arbitration but this is
the concept establishing through a vehicle for mediating immediately says
no chairs question though was asked him if he was sort of, I guess, pretty much the mediator. Okay, so he's asking if we not the thing, but with actual mediators, then I've had some problems with that. If some of you actually go in with me to take that
away Wait, yeah, I can remember that. I worked I worked in last three people with mediation when I'm setting up mediation for the at the county courthouse or using a private mediator. You know, my brain fixes on you know, the straight and narrow of the legal aspect, but I think that at this point, we're going to be the Atlanta planning advisory board and our part of our charge is to work directly with the NPU support, we need to start standing up and doing what we're supposed to be doing because it happened to us this avenue, a bat, when they first APAC probably years before I came. I'm sure they probably do a lot of different kinds of things I just don't know about but if that is something that you all are willing to do, then I want you to do whatever I need to do to make it happen.
I think it would raise Apex profile and relevance exponentially with the city, the city council as well as the MP you
know what I would like to see if we did that with that. The CHS would actually be the mediation component that would come in the mediation would come to cdhs. I don't know about you but I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I still think the video counsel but I think that is what can be on tape would actually be one of their functions. And which means then that you would after property can span to committee so you a cow won't get work today. Okay. Because if that is something we elect to do, then the people somebody in committee on AIPAC, it's gonna be taking that mediation I will take it if we wish we took a course. But I think that a lot of the problems that we are seeing what happened see is simply because the CPUs really don't know what their relationship is to a path and a path doesn't know where to start. You should visit in
the US or you know, one reason I suggested and it's because this body of MPU participants probably has more experience in any other body within the city of Atlanta when it comes to AV use, processes and procedures collectively we have more experienced than any other body. This was a
spirit of I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my opinions to myself, but in the spirit of a path being an advisory body, would it make more sense for a path as opposed to positioning itself to be the conflict resolution for AP US or the mediators for AP US? Perhaps you all could simply make an advisory opinion on a conflict in an MPU like we've heard all the sides and this is our position? No, that's not what mediation is. We've heard all the sides and this is our formal advice or this our formal opinion on the matter, but I would still say that that's my, my offering for compromise. I still don't think that that's the best idea. Anything that moves you all away from what you should be doing is a bit much considering your volunteer powered, you're literally powered by volunteer effort. But then you all would not always be around to do this, like you're going to tap out at some point. And then you've got the next folks that are coming in. Is this something that they will like you're saying if somebody were to take the class would be okay, well, what about
when the two of you retire? Then who
who does it who carries the songs?
Great you have to ask me is who better knows the machinations of the NPU other than everybody in the end? That's more of a front and center idea of how the problem arose, and what the issues are that impact on
solving problems. So that's what I'm here. Does interpretation. But the issue is do it. What she's saying is do we want to take on that challenge? So kind of you guys let's ask this question, get out of debt. We'll figure out which way you want to go with this. And that's something we've talked about, think about chair you can as you formulate ideas on that, you can just jot it down
under your leadership preference question with under your leadership so
was that me? The Aliceville? Okay. I
think it's a good idea. Brainstorming would who would work with this mechanism for resolving that conflict?
exactly within the
no doubt this came from those problematic. Yes, but by just find the city councilman that submitted this and so, Felicia Moore one and this one is some kind of conflict resolution. So years ago for some of the old timers that remember
last month, we already saw
this afternoon, and literally just put this together on third topic. Yeah, it was just the headings. It wasn't this eight page document on the fourth page. You can jump in joined by Jim
Okay, Shawn, just the headings the parts that are in blue in that teal. That's what you all saw without any of the copy in between. I literally just put that together.
Took this question real quick and did count that one in
this one, so obviously, it's just my opinion, as a citizen of the city of Atlanta, but if y'all do change the language for strongly encouraging an official to take a certain MPU class, mind you if it wasn't for Steve Carr, just having me call Terry. What, a year or two ago to get involved with the city because I just said I want to help the city. I had no idea what a MPU was. I had no idea what a PAP was and I'm learning along the way and I want to help. I just didn't know how to help so I if you're if y'all go in and voice that this is what a PAP wants, and you're just need citizen encouraging or supporting, backing you guys up. I will go I will find people that from the community that are not part of the exec board or APEC, and we will back you up because I think it's important that you hold a certain position that you know what you're supposed to be doing, what you represent, and how it connects to everything else. I had no idea but I I believe that in you know it, no offense, and I'm just gonna say how I talk, but the generation that's on this on my age level, we want to help not everybody but we want to help we just don't know how, and if if the information is there, but it's strongly encouraged if you're getting into this position and you're new, and you don't have the leadership or the mentors to coach you through it. You're gonna be lost
in the various impede us. It is difficult for me to even as a chairperson talking to every level of ages that you have at your NPDB and a lot of times I find myself going back and repeating stuff that we have discussed and whatever, because I'm not always sure like Shereena sitting there that you read a nose you know that we talked about this and whatever. But then we got somebody here on screen that I've never seen before, but showing up in our community have no earthly idea what I'm talking about. So we have to come up with ways to make sure that everything that we do is all inclusive of all about numbers. And that's a challenge and no, because sometimes when I'm talking I'm looking I'm like, I want to do they understand what I'm saying. And then I'll go back and try to reiterate it in a different way.
Instead, I'm just gonna say divide three, and bu University will be conducting the Atlanta Community Engagement playbook training. And one of the first things that they address is the fact that we have five generations within the same space, living, working and playing, all communicating differently. So in order to communicate with all those different generations, you need some some innovative and creative approaches. And that's one of the things is is covered in the training for this July 30 Saturday mind to what they can do. Now the communicator playbook because I get that right.
So my third year
was McKinsey, which
was actually a hybrid so you can attend online or hybrid class. July 3 Oh, yeah. 2017. I know you've probably gathered by now
so I didn't. I think there's a way where rather than taking on responsibility to be come mediators. We can understand this like in other contexts, as you have pointed out regarding base appointments or interviews, appointing delegates and alternate state aid that has a vested interest in the function of interviews. But that doesn't mean we have to be the entity itself to fix it. Whether it's encouraging, promoting should channels, whatever with the city, whether it's with a third party mediator, whether it's somebody short conflict resolution, I think coming out with some clear stance, that it's not just like we're going to pretend it doesn't exist not see that's happening now. Right? Or the will kick the can or we expect to be able to do it, but to recognize that a an up or multiple views that aren't working well that aren't healthy. is problematic for all of us, right? But not necessarily jumping to a conclusion that the solution is we need to take that on, but instead we can make sure that happens, which encouraged me to promote we can do other things to say if these things are working then there's some increased diplomatic relations with AIPAC versus if it's problematic, we can't recognize who the chair is. And unfortunately, we can't engage the same way. Right. So I think just be open to other solutions because I think every case is going to be unique versus we need to I mean, if you want to become to be here, but not necessarily. Well, I mean, people do it right. But if you don't, if, if that's not in a parent's wheelhouse, try to take that on. I think it's going to be very difficult.
That's why I said I would not do that without
a lot of paid volunteer.
Is if there is a conflict we can put into the best practices that if there is a conflict in the NPP The first step would be probably to sit down and have a conversation with members of a family. If you after that conversation, here still exist in property and a PAP will recommend other solutions for resolving the problem. And we come up with the list of the various meteors because like I say, you sitting sitting at wham pulled together you can use their mediation services,
mediation services available.
Anytime you have mediation, you have to pay for this. I'm saying
NPU to mediation
the MPU each note the size that is the silencer
that is not in our budget for next year.
I think I'm the president and she thinks she's the president. Okay, so we got this conflict going. Well, we need to go to mediation somewhere. Average mediator now charges $250 an hour I do have some others that charge
So we have to agree to go to a mediator that can find for $250 an hour which means I paid 125 She pays 125 And then we try to resolve this because it happens often if it's not resolved in an hour.
So what I've already heard though, and I still think there's a lot of these positions it's not like it's could be an ad hoc as some issue that is continuous like with our my understanding there was a convening of a group that almost specifically looked at our issues and when I heard the findings, it made sense as to why they were having a conflict that there's not a one on one vote there is a representative from a given community. So you find things like that that's, that's probably a fatal flaw in the process that lent itself to that. It sounds like what you mentioned, there was a convening of a group that parsed the issues, and I believe man made a recommendation but
that's that's the thing with with mediation I don't think even if you go to a professional mediator, that mediator or write up his or her findings and recommendations. Is not like going before arbiter, an arbiter is going to whatever they decide is legally binding. With a mediator, it's the mediator sitting there listening to both sides and making recommendations, writing up those recommendations and providing them to both of them and to whomever it is, you know, oh, we're going to get a copy of it. So a lot of times, mediation may not be the best. All you can be at an ad hoc
when an issue arises, what are the nature the way they're voting is so that if you've got not a one on one vote, it's a representative. Let's not have a vote and just issues a white
bar is not representative our individual spoke and
and some of you heard
a little differently. Your bylaws are very, very confusing on the matter, but in practice, they are not representative NPU and individual residents vote in their language like I said is it looks as though they almost wanted to be representative or they wanted some sort of which would you kind of flexibility to do either one whichever was most convenient but they absolutely operate. In practice as in the other impedance mindset.
The conflict goes on. Okay?
Your thoughts, jot them down recurs and jot your thoughts down. That's what she This is what she's here for. You get your point.
You also want us to share these with us.
Yeah, so I emailed it out to all of the chairs. I things do definitely get stuck with chairs sometimes. So feel free to share it you know as widely as you like. Yeah, we sent it out to the chairs where it's on the meeting agendas will be present in the meetings to take questions or take feedback, etc.
You'll be presenting that no we will y'all be actually presenting the best practice or just leaving it up to the chairs to kind of be yapping and y'all will be around. So feel questions.
Request under. I don't have any requests to present and typically NPU agendas are either tight for real or typing our minds
when I went to last weekend zero voting items 25 Zero voting I
just left Can
you please support
with a planner?
Yes, it were number one in the planning support. It's the first item listed on the claimants report.
Can you please email me that eight page thing in digital format? You sent it to me? Oh, I didn't look at everything. I was looking for exec board. Nope. Okay, I'll look at that. I'll make sure Yeah, cuz I'll make sure that our people get it.
I do plan to talk to Brian.
He did send an email, email yesterday, but I'd be glad to talk to him and see what his thinking.
Okay. Before then, in regards to
exactly on the individual for one month. Yes. July Okay. Something
was odd because yeah, I'm not sure I'm gonna go back.
I thought it was
it was June agenda at all. I wasn't on anybody's do let's
take a look under new business or something. It was this review and comment.
Gloria is not on your agenda into I
came across the table in what capacity? I don't know. I don't know what capacity because I thought because I remember saying we'll come in and go that's already made it because I heard it at AIPAC the month before but whether you're saying that it's not on the agenda does not mean it didn't come under old business. We have some generic entries for things sometimes. So even though it's not a line item guy did came on my agenda and I think it is an old business new business. And it was because it wasn't for both. So it may come on.
There your videos are now announcements that you got to make.
No but I did want to just as as a talking point, as you're talking to your neighbors and exec boards and your employees about this. Please make sure to plug in or to correct any misconceptions that this is not legislation. This is not regulation from planning. This is not an attempt to change the NPU code. Every single and I've only gotten feedback from like, I don't know four or five people so far phone calls and then once edited in the meeting, but every single piece of feedback that I got was around a DCP trying to shut down the interviews, trying to regulate the interviews or trying to change the code for the NPCs none of that is true. So please make sure that your people know there's no cause for alarm this is as mild as it gets like there's no interest Council does not have an A for council has not expressed any interest at all in changing the immune system or regulating or anything like that. Actually, that's just it's just not that's just not what this like
I think it will run into us they make plans and because we're having problems no one would even looked at document fully agree. Yes, I think although
I tend to carry this past decade sorry. Ah, this past week, and they felt very strong. Well, they were concerned that this was some sort of effort, like some sort of hidden agenda or something. I'm like, problems over there and all boats
come it's this idea you know, like work this was the genesis of this revolution.
What backstory Do I not know? And that's why I'm asking you all but make sure you communicate that because when you're connected, you kind of know what's going on. But when you're not connected, you get something like this in your emails like what is this about? They tried to change stuff up and blah blah blah. He just really don't know what's what's happening.
Best Practices reviewing permit folks denied.
619 I really wanted to get us out of being on time because we started about 15 minutes late. We have your assignments you know what, we have to be willing we have to be there. Right now the best practices are number one is we do have to get this completed and everything so that we can make that due to the August 23 deadline. We are looking at all the sites August 23 deadline. As you come up with things, jot them down, send them to her send me the best. Mr. Sharpe have a few assignments for you. Since you can send essentially you got a copy attached to the notes about me but as female you separately the 2022 projects for the cheesecloth. Okay, I'm going to give you a call or go down a list on a couple of them that you need to be focusing on.
encouraging those workgroups at the workgroup.
When I came in response from interviews on those work groups, and I think they are confused as to what it is they're supposed to be doing. So I think right now, our best bet is to send them another email explaining and I guess really what I need to do because I don't even know if about oh, this is bad. I don't know how many interviews actually in myself and so. So I think before I do any send an email, I need to make sure that I find out your zone five. These are the AP news, zone five and zone six, whatever. And so they'll have that and they'll know which ingredients are chocolate because I think they're operating on a state of confusion and not really understanding what's being asked here, sir.
Um, did we get to talk about the committee chairs, identifying their locations, dates and times? And did we also get to guess the committee reports and then we also discuss now the
main reports. That's where I asked you what are you going to submit their report in writing? Or did you want to present it you said you want to vote? Oh, god,
you're asking for
a date and time for meetings with you. So we need to talk about that. But Mr. Sharp, Mr. Sharp, yes, ma'am. antibody completed your meeting with you at 815.
So I'll be very honest. So that means I do I'm very serious about that meeting being at 8am because there are a lot of other agencies that do meet at that time. And do have availability and this is an opportunity for us to finally have all of those agencies at the table to really have as
the US office about it. A meeting room in City Hall, eight o'clock with all of them. Yeah, that's a win.
I'm sorry to interrupt. We're not We're not open at yet. So that's not gonna happen anyway. The very earliest it could be would be 850 or a city hall. But even then, these rooms are almost always booked with actual council members using them for work. That aside, any agencies that that are coming to the table for a PAC committee meeting should be offering themselves on the public schedule, not you come into their schedule like eight o'clock is convenient for them. If that's not convenient for the public then that's they need to change their schedule to meet with the public, whether it's 6pm or 12, noon or whatever.
I hear all of this and I respect all of it. I receive all the offerings. I think that it's best for the transportation committee meetings to be early in the morning. That's what I feel like it's best if you're open to the public, understand.
And so just recommend that you select a meeting where people can recently attend. And I know you wanted to have it at city hall but was the like I said I asked about the rules and that's probability.
So I never it doesn't have to be at City Hall. For I'll be very clear. My request was simple. Let's have a transportation meeting. I would like to go ahead and send out an invitation to as many people as possible all the MPU people so they can come all 25 for them. It is it can be here it can be on the moon. I'm just ready to make that step. So we can begin inviting people to the meeting. Point blank period, location in many locations. That we can meet at that the location is not a problem. I just want to go ahead that Okay, great. This sounds good. Go ahead and send out your notice and let people know so that we can get started. As of right now. We haven't even move forward with getting it started yet.
Your locations the possible locations that you have. Please try to find one where they don't have to pay to park if that's possible. Okay. And just just send me the information both on
the meat all of that but
I would love for us to vote on all of that. I think we should put it out there that hasn't come up yet. Somehow we don't get there a lot of times. I would like to do that. So we can really feel the room but I think doing it in this manner of I don't think so. You don't think so people aren't going to show up. I don't think that's appropriate, because we don't know who's going to show up at eight o'clock. I believe.
a community engagement professional. I understand that actually do know who's going to show up as well. I understand that these are community volunteers.
And I'll be clear to say everyone in this room does not speak for everybody. That's correct. So with that being said, I would like to attempt at eight o'clock. I think that we should support that and at least try. I'm not saying that you're
just send to me the information on the location and the time that you chose. And I do I do really do as though to try to find a location where it's quite possible that they don't have to pick apart so they are NPU people will be more inclined to participate
into that I wouldn't mind being part of you coming in to support if you've got members who have a roster of bugs.
So Randy, send out the notice letter by now that even exists so that people can say hey, I want to be a part of the about because you're sure you didn't get that to me sometimes. Yes, ma'am. Okay, all my email is just my first name and last name as well those 636 So we're gonna she's gonna go into grocery store next week, guess me Ma'am? Yes, please. However, these black eyed peas in some cultures drop it every day you got to look at the peace and the quality
of the bees.
Oh no, God is my thoughts. Okay,
I decided to vote in the garden card at the Hall of cards
like Oh yeah, absolutely. Um, it's a call Mr. Car you have your birthday too.