yeah, and the other example is that empathy is sin, you know, model that, that Christianity group has been talking about is, they're saying that, for them, empathy is just one person doing all the listening and agreeing with everything that someone says. So it's like, whatever I say, you're just agreeing and listening to me, whatever complaints, whatever self pity I have, is, you just have to sort of take it on right as as, and you just get swamped in it. And, and it's, it's a lack of truth, right? There might be no truth in it. And they're saying that's what empathy is, is, you know, Shannon's just listening to all this nonsense, and the self pity and all this kind of stuff. And that's, you know, that's what empathy is. And that's terrible. That's horrible. But you can say, No, it's it's like, Hey, you're listening, you know, Shannon's listening to all that. But then she gets a chance to respond and say, Oh, I have a different view, and so forth. So again, that criticism that they have, if they would take part in an empathy circle would be easy to model and demonstrate that, yeah.