8:06PM Aug 14, 2022
Aren't, the Bible says to kinda sorta know what they're presenting to us in advance for the day to be presented
and we shall see if any changes are made
right. We will learn more about it I guess today you said there's more being printed. Okay. Yeah, I was looking out for y'all. I was like y'all probably won't one
is there anyone that's downloaded the documents already so I have three or four hosts don't be Chris gonna give you a packet she may connect with you. bits and pieces of some of it. I think a lot of folks copy much of it
is that the first draft that was sent out I sent out the first draft of the outline
whatever the litany of documents that you sent us two or three days ago,
yeah, so that does not have the final draft that we have sent. That's nothing Yeah, that's the call. Oh, Nicole didn't get anybody else. Do you need? The rest that starts with notes. Just in case one of these
things what's in these folders
Information Systems recommendations
was nothing good to miss on these goals I'm missing so it's notes goals and what's the last one on the roster? Not sure what your notes goals in a roster. No pick that was more of those notes go in the roster. Yeah, we
did not have printed out I normally print out about 1012 sets of everything that I think we got to normally print out for let's
out first, I'd like to say good afternoon to everybody. For being here today on a Sunday afternoon is a very awkward time for coffee to be coming to a meeting and that's one of the things we're going to talk about today. So we've got spammers here is rushing to see Russia. Does anybody know Ben? Thank you so much for being here today. Oh, man. It's Allison Grady. Greetings. Artist Brian.
Thank you all so much. You should have everybody should have a copy of today's agenda. And
please make a correction on that for me. I have it says August 14 at the top but then down here it says agenda. Finish right this office 20 General Meeting Agenda so that's all right. Does anyone see anything on today's agenda that needs to be corrected or amended in any way? The same time now, I have a couple of amendments. We're going to make to it. And I'll send it to you why I didn't make the changes beforehand. Down in the section, the section that says APEC appointments status. I did not make some changes and somebody who's down there. Explain that to us. We'll get to that section. But that would be the only change that we would need to make on future data scores. So do you see anything else? Please? All right, you're not gonna get a motion that the agenda be accepted as presenter.
So for a second.
thank you. And we're not actually going to vote on it. We just got to ask anybody that has an objection to the acceptance of the agenda, please. Raise your hand accept this consent Jim did not receive any resolutions from you or Terry or any other committees. Did you have any from your meeting? No, we're still holding them in committee. Okay. Should be ready for the body. We have three that should be ready for the party next month. Calendar Committee have any at all.
Let me think doing to recall
the only thing was the welcome packet.
And it's not a motion. So no motion.
Okay. Madam chairman correction. There are two reports in the same committee report. For I believe one this is cdhs report.
Get that these letters, these are ones that you printed out one is a save notice this one says as charity says me community development resources CHR is another best jams.
Voice using the standard 568 that conveys input, all of them should use that standard form and this is the form so I usually the right form that I've seen on the right.
I have been updating the same form that I started when
we sent it out to everybody but Terry's with this month did not have it has a board that would not a pet computer. Let's so Bucha is big picture. Yeah. That was what was confusing here. No Nice. Okay. All right. Now, today we are supposed to do our last preliminary review the best practices before we actually discuss it at the general body meeting and those requirements. And I received this on my way here so I know all of you have not had a chance to really take a look at it and form any questions that you might have. So for today, I'm going to ask Nikolas here with this and approaching things from planning. She's here to answer any questions and give also included
a copy of the code. also copy the links to the US and also copy of the ethics code for officers, which was specifically requested and there's some additional updates that will be based on your particular feedback. As you all are going through it if you have any additional questions, comments, concerns, please do let me know and I'll definitely take that back to the team where it's traveling for confidence issues living here interesting question.
So the highlighted portions are the only addition since then. I can say
the highlights are the most and there are several throughout the document. In addition to the addition of them
yeah, this that was a copy of the first record that we discussed. And since then, it has been significantly updated.
This was just released today.
We're going to vote on it and we have to vote on it at the general body meeting is my understanding that we go before the seat the Committee on council on the 23rd of August to present this. So we will be voting on it on the 28th and when we go to counseling, we will have
is there a reason why we're presenting to the committee on council versus like cdhs H o cdhs?
CHS. Okay. And because I think it came from councilmember Amos's was the one who recommended and he is on our thing, if I'm not mistaken, the UCM cdhs.
I think he is but it was given to the cdhs committee because they've got purview over the departments of the planning. So that's the committee you would come back to
that's what we have to go so it is indeed being presented to cdhs committee and not committee on council, correct?
Yeah. cdhs I'm sorry. Thank you. All right. So I've had a chance to read it in detail and their standard. We wanted to make sure now that what we have Joe Biden we're gonna just let you kind of go through it as you go through it. If you come up with questions. You can either ask Nicole about that now or chapter questions down, email them to the orange troll, so that they can be answered and incorporated before we get to the journal.
I was just curious. It's the only document that we get to offer feedback the impede Best Practices draft
from us where we can take care about
the ethical guidelines for neighborhood Planning Unit officers. The key ethics principles every MPU officer needs to know my recommendation would be an MPU officer should strive to serve the best interests of the city. I would say that the MPU and NPU officers should strive to serve the best interests of the MPU
by the ethics officer so that's
why it's on the very first page of the ethical guidelines for neighborhood Planning Unit officers
Okay, on the first page okay notes that's it. That's my recommendation. There document. Colors. I was happy that we were able to get printed copies. So maybe next week, maybe it'll be in order.
Do we have the digital version it is
yes. It's been sent to you. Too. Yesterday
I forwarded it he should have gotten it at 232 40 this afternoon. The question
was it you did we send that today after we
get Yeah, yes. I sent it to everyone. Thank you.
Because this policy in this stretch to really be stampede news. Is it timely to think that folks will be able to the body the NVQs that this is going out to will have an opportunity to really chime in on this
thing that throughout the process and all of the things that obviously didn't come from you all are things that came directly from the piece.
And keep in mind all the NVQs were sent to all of the drafts each time we worked on it
but we're not sent this draft. This is the first Yeah, this is the first time anyone has seen this draft presumably my MPU chair did not send this to me. We have sent it to us and I forwarded it on to the board members say the MP chairs all now have a copy of it. But if they only got it at 240 this afternoon, to your point GLORIA I don't think that the MPU chairs and peasants enough time to digest this to make an informed
opinion is this is such a push to if I can use the word authenticate the work of the MP use and authenticate a valid process that I can tell you that a final draft. That seems so much more comprehensive than this really would take some time and I've got a busy week. I'm not sure what most folks.
Well. Ultimately, we don't have
a lot of choice. Yes, we do. Okay, well, we do. We don't
have a lot of choice we we have to review this at the general meeting on Saturday. And you sent it to all of the chairs and the delegates and alternates today now when they come to the Joe Weider meeting on Saturday. They should come prepared for any questions that they have about this file.
Yes, yeah, I just want to say thanks to acceleration right today is my Mpu zicklin meeting. So there's been no way that they will be able to even draft for even for our meeting with the body. So I think it's going to delay us or put us push us back. I think it was just to discuss it. But I don't think that we're going to be able to make a solid vote to have people to digest was in this. So I mean, I don't think they might NPU will be able to even discuss it because they're meeting right now.
Well, I think that the limit is the origin who's the author and I think the limit is that this Bobby's supposed to present to him on the 23rd on that meeting on the
23rd. And keep in mind,
this timeline has been identified. It's been flexible throughout the process that has been repeatedly reiterated to us. And so this is a this is the chance when we actually have the time to sort through this. And our MPU chairs are MPs have the time to digest this. And take and fall is a practice that we do for all of our own resolutions. We take a month. Jim usually presents his resolutions to the body. We take them for a for Read Only process for an entire month before we bid on anything. This is moving far faster than any of our normal machinations.
And we've been talking about it for months now.
For some opportunity to put the strap in the chat for my table will be tomorrow evening. And I would love for everybody that is what were people at the table because we're doing it via zoom. So there's some pretty interesting people that would chime back in and then I think again, the dilemma is I think you're saying flexibility with counsel. I think that's the question Madam Chair would have to answer as to whether, you know, again, based on the concern that most have not seen this final draft and again, I haven't really well read it but I can tell by the thickness, there's some significant
difference. And I think it's just important all in all that's been said that this final draft that we received today, somehow in some way makes it back to every NP use executive committee for at least one final review since this is the final draft, whereas everyone can once and for all look at this and make the corrections, make the updates, make the suggestions. And in the perfect world that would happen this week. Like sure like you just got this today, and we send it out but I don't think that's the reality. And given the schedule also the MP us it's really not a reality if we're looking for each of the MP used to really have a moment to discuss this during their executive committee meetings, which I do believe a final draft especially should be fully discussed at an executive committee meeting for each MP
notwithstanding the fact that a number of interviews have already met this month.
So your recommendation then is that I've asked council member payments if you can present at the September CHS committee as opposed to the last one for this month, August 23.
I think that would be best like honestly to get all of them to use the proper time. But I also will add that I think it's important for AIPAC to be very specific and direct with each of the MPOs to say like hey, we need your feedback this time once and for all like this is it like take the time spread it throughout your NPU definitely review it at your executive committee meeting but we got to move forward. So take this moment look it over for the month but at that next executive committee meeting, y'all gotta review it and you know, make the changes whatever those may be, and then submit them
but I think the bottom line is humbly asking to be given the time consuming the measures seem like there's a significant forward thinking on how to the proctor process. So I would say that humbly ask but again, they may say 23rd is 23rd way what happens in
that there are the inclusion of the code to the actual admin which is not a complete rewrite of your has a question or comment?
Yeah, just a comment. Like, I think we need to consider what this document is and as it has now been clearly stated, this is not a mandate of directed. These are guidelines, the recommendations, best practices, what works so it's less I think about like voting on it and saying, Yes, this is specific wording, but instead of making sure people have access to this document so that if they want to change their bylaws or hold their leadership accountable or implement some of these practices, they have access to it to do it. It's less about wordsmithing every little thing and making sure it's perfect for your MPU because that's not the intention of this is to say this is what impute n has to do, but instead of these are some food for thought to consider. So I know that Byron was interested in having this process wrap up before bylaws and elections. So I think if there's something of substance where we think DCP is off base on this, yes, let's make sure that folks have a chance to vote on or whatever. But I think otherwise as long as we're good with it, in principle, this isn't actually in stone. This is the first annual release of this sort of a living, breathing document that I think will morph and change over time. So I think, depending on what Byron is looking for, or the committee's looking for, I think we should be deferential to that not knowing what else they have on their plate. But yes, I think it's imperative for us to communicate this document, continue to get feedback and input on it, but not necessarily say we can't take action on it until everybody has voted on it or gone through some other sort of process because that's not what this document is about.
Well, I think that the deal was the statement that was made that once we get this month and a half spin on it, that says the director, the ordinate said that planning and APM for to get together so that a PAP would vote on so just so that the council know that we are not something that planned at the Joe Biden meeting I think probably what we'll do is when we get into the discussion about it, we'll put it to the floor, asking the chairs and their thoughts on whether we're ready to confirm this document, even though it is going to be it's going to be like he says a living breathing because we're going to be working on it. From now on. A lot of this is initial trial and error. And we don't know what might need to be changed until we start working on it. So so that is not etched in stone for a contact to see just what we used to do this open this risk
manager although just to know for everyone here. We did visit. Yeah after the last meeting that we all with you all we do have a representative from our team to attend all of the AP readings to take any feedback back and undecided the feedback that we received from chairs. We did not receive any additional feedback comments or changes to this document
from any of the MPs we did not. We did incorporate
the feedback that we received from chairs and the feedback that we received directly from a pet and that is the chain. Those are the changes that you've seen before.
I'll speak from my view and what I'm this is just what I'll say is I don't believe that this document was presented or pushed in a way where the entire neighborhood was aware of this and also had an opportunity and this is my opinion, that it really had an opportunity to weigh in. I feel that it wasn't mentioned at an MPU at our MPU and I think there may have been one or two comments about it. But I don't believe that this document was really discussed in the way that it shouldn't be discussed, at least not at our MPU and that's why I blend in the plan I'll say and all of this I just simply believe that this final document that we received today should indeed go back to all of the executive committees at least for review, maybe not for a vote and not trying to hold it up or at least for a final review, to say hey, please review this final draft, make your final changes so that we can move things forward.
Let me ask you a quick question. How is your MPU structured because these sentiments every revision has been sent to all juniors don't miss an all acid everything to my 100 and so on, that are listed on my email. All NPU cheers, don't do that. I don't understand that. How is your MPU structured? Does the chair send everything like I do to everybody? Or do you have committees that that chair was sent something like this to at that committee that would have been the responding party has to answer
your first question. The chair does not send out everything to everyone. That at least not to me. And I know that there certainly there are other NPU members that are in the room from my MQ that say yes to that. So that does not happen and to your to your second part, there are committees, at least in our NPU maybe like others those committees some of them are starting to get going again, also. So communication from those committees are also not really being sent out either as much as they should be. I would say
especially be asked actually in this document, which is why it's important and if it was of such importance that we should have made sure that we asked it all delegates and alternates make sure they appeared before so that we can discuss this. That was in our autonomy to be able to do their part to invite MPU ultimately delegates to the shooting. They came to this meeting,
they be dealt with as an alternate alternates, you know, whether they did or not,
but notice nothing under this. That's the point. The point is that we're coming up with this because there is no standard as best practice and there's always room for improvement to how we operate with an MP us if we want to set the tone for that the opportunity we have allow for us to do that, to kind of give that reinforcement so I think that in the MPU is that most people have conversations because it's such a small window and I see so many presentations and and reports out that we don't take anything like this. Serious enough to say here let's go ahead and dive in and for the to the point that he was mentioning, in terms of active committees, it's not always that this stuff is always put out to committees to be vetted. So you know, I mean, again, this is a best practice type of scenario. This is an opportunity to work on that form of engagement as a powerful one, but in to understanding that we have the presidents that the ultimate is in the delegates that's a part of our infrastructure that we should start to make sure that we re emphasize that even if we send it to GM or whatever corresponding committee to have even for the most engagement for those particular communities.
I think there's been as far as the timeline is concerned, there's been a lengthy timeline in between each iteration except for this last one, right. And so, I don't know what the harm would be in allowing this to be read to Kyle's point, if this is just a document, we're just updating, you know, ongoing and that sort of thing like this can be sent out to all NP chairs after it's it's surpassed, city council or whatever, whatever is going to be done with this document. I don't see the harm in sending out this document to be read as is in this draft form. I can speak only for myself and say that when I read it in regards to the reference to the comprehensive development plan, it made me think through our discussion or previous discussion regarding the CDP a lot of members here at AIPAC, he said on the executive committee who said that they were not so well aware of the CDP and there is a policies review process that each MPU can engage in each year. And that talks about here that here right in this preamble. I think that's really good work. I think it makes the MP leaders recognize why they're engaged in the city's comprehensive development plan. I think that's a call to action. In fact, I discussed with my husband who has been an empty chair, about his experience with the policy recommendations and he says, oh, yeah, the policy recommendations are great. We can come up with this anytime. But they have to go before city council and be passed as an amendment to actually change the plan itself. And I said, Well, where do our policies go in the meantime and they go to some random email inbox. That planning receives them, right like so we can we can all make all the recommendations that we want, but none of us actually see those. AICPA that is our main responsibility, right, aren't we aren't we supposed to speak to the CDP and we are supposed to be the space where all of these policies kind of come together and speak to that to that plan? I I'm this is genuinely a question. I don't I that is my interpretation of CVP calls. Yes, yes.
Si P policies after each NVu works on those policies day and night for God knows how long those policies are actually submitted to. Some of the guys John not Josh Humphreys, by now Humphries, Nathan. Also, the guys that were actually were on the CDP. Remember the ones that hosted the also the town, the town hall meetings and stuff like that and it didn't know like to planning where it went to them because they were the one body and they are part of the urban design commission, not condition, urban design department because they aren't we're the ones that were actually putting all of this together. The other ones that you got emails from if they
had questions, I'm telling you that is not my husband's experience when he was chair he he spoke with with a gentleman who is a standard for a normal planner who is shaaka Warren and Chuck is outstanding. I have no complaints about Chaka, but his experience and I have invited him to come to the general meeting so that I do not misrepresent his experience and I can't speak to it. But his experience with the CVP was that we discussed as an MPU what policies should be updated. And then he was told by that planner that they that the only way that these policies actually go into effect is if they are passed at the city council level. I think that is incorrect. I agree. I agree that that is incorrect. That is not what this document reflects. But I think that this bears this is why some of this needs to be read a bit more by MPU leaders so that they can talk about their own experiences and make sure that they fully understand things so that they are not giving out incorrect information.
Just something I'm hearing is on one hand, there's a problem with communications between the NVQs and the chairs, delegating office to the bodies. And then I'm also hearing that there's issues with procedures, okay, on a timeline, this document is what is supposed to be addressing those and making that kind of thing unified. So maybe we need to take a different approach to this. Maybe we need to get in this room put those put these guidelines on the screen and go line by line and decide what needs to be the AI does not do us any good to come up with a package of recommendations for the NP use if the NP use are not functioning in such a way that information is being disseminated because if we do this, we approved we send it on and December November rolls around election time. And we get people saying well, we never saw this before they were right back where we started. I would much rather go to council member Amos and ask him to extend our time to give us more time to work on this together. All right. Alright. We've had we've received all the emails we've talked about it, but we've not put it in a chart form where we can see what needs edit. Everybody's doing something different. Then we're still did anybody see the article in the Atlanta Journal this morning? About the NPU system? It's a very interesting front page. Okay. It's very positive article. To the extent that it was telling residents how they can become active in their PPE use, what to do, how to go on to the city's website and find out what MPU you're in. It told about, of course, how you'd be used were established and why and some and how our processes work. Even refer to the fact that we're in the process of doing this okay. As a result of that, I want to see us do something rushed that's not really going to do what we need to do. And one of the things that I have come to reconcile myself with is, I have no earthly idea how each NPU functions all right, I really don't. So I think our starting point, perhaps Shiva, each chair needed to submit to us to tell us how you disseminate information, tell us what your processes are, and get the sense do it interview us to three pages no more than that, or
worse or survey where we just captured because you don't want to make you lengthy because people people run away from their stuff. They just say to you,
but here's the thing. We all know that these best practices came from aimless and vocal on Castle because of all of the stuff that is continually going on at NPR. Okay, this is where I wanted to start it. And it was supposed to be designed to bring some uniformity and how the NP use function and so that all of them are doing things somewhat similar. So you don't have to see in who you are. For instance, I found out from that there about the whole thing was a personality conflict. That's not really what it is. Is the way their system is structured and the voting has. It is just unreal. It needs to be revamped. This is what was supposed to be recommendations to Joe NVQs are the two we don't want to be spending time working on something there's not going to be a benefit. Yes, sir.
So we spent a limited time last year engaging with NVQs and we had multiple meetings in public safety to three meetings sometimes in a month. And so part of what we did was a part of the eviction resolution that came from committee. Our API allows us to engage with best practices because what we found in the eviction process, it had already went over the timeframe for that point, but a lot of people wasn't having connectivity to the resource and things that were available. And so we went on to ask like how are you communicating what are some things is going on? And we just found that people's was was communicating in various different ways. Some use robocalls some new signs to get from the council members. Some people have better relationships with their business districts. I was able to quit SAS and buy in people in the basement and freak but there was so many different ways the way they communicate and engage is that there was some commonality there. And that's where the whole conversation about having a grant that will help over art and make better connectivity and the MPU level so that we adopt some best practices and have economics because some people are paying for it out of their grant money. Some people get money from their council members, some people have people that work with them again, and use a talent pool. So there was a lot of different best practices that were happening, but how do you learn from those best practices, and that's why pulling it back into apex and how we engage as a path to engage with the NP use in terms of these best practices. And that's having a learning session and then be able to get input is the opportunity that's before us right now is to bring all that back home, back up under the umbrella of a path towards which was chartered to do and to do that you say like you say unrolled it out and I think they would appreciate it, we can appreciate it. And then we all get on the same path because it's like it's like engaging giving them beautiful one another. I just have no earthly idea how these people do it. But engaging in a session would allow opportunity for people to now visit and have conversation and then kind of lead there with some form of of understanding where people are what are the problems but more so is where's the opportunity
to look Kyle sin is I peruse this, perusing there's a good word. The language I see is may recommend should consider this. No such document that gives any it's not mandatory like which is basically a guy. My question is if we submit this what's the process for amending how easy or how difficult would that be? I think Kyle addressed it but this is just the guy they got somebody sat down and you know what I believe it says For us it's one other thing for a lot of folks to read into they'll defer to the people who are doing it who maybe have for some my thoughts again I just go right back the caller he sent me lots of sense to me that again, may the language that gives that recommend should consider there's nothing mandatory. It's an attempt to save folks we hear we do let's let's let's see what input we can get. Let's start here. Let's get it out there. And then let's let's let's think what's the amendment process just like the CDP My understanding is a five year mandate.
One regarding MPs M's process and when Nicole said so, as the delegate, I brought this up in our executive meeting meetings in the meetings it was also on the agenda to the planner presented as well. There were comments in the discussion I received emails something were also forwarded to the MQ team. So I know there were some people beyond the chair that submitted some information. This is just best practices, right. I think the President's point. Few of us in this room had been to all DNP leads to see sort of what works. The reason DCP drafted this is because they have been to all the meetings and it's not trying to present a survey and said you're doing something wrong. But here's what they've seen. It's been effective. And rather than everybody having to go to everybody's computer or understand what that is, they've tried to pull that together to share it with it. I think what's most important about this document is not to go through with a fine tooth comb to sort of pick it apart. It's instead to make sure people have read it because there's great ideas in here that if your NPU is not communicating well okay, what does this say about communication? And how do we take this doesn't say this is what you need to put in your bylaws. But here's the things to consider so that you can be better about it. You can figure that out. So I think what's less important is Do we all agree 100% that everything is in there and that works for me. You know, is it something that the more people who read it just like the more people read the community engagement playbook, the better off they're going to be absolutely right. Do I know the exact process to get that thing changed? No. But right, but this is something it's a document, it's out there. And if we need to get it changed DCP or somebody's in connection with it, we could say Hey, Nicole, I learned something awesome that I saw MPU Q. Can we get that in there to make sure that other people know about that whole thing that they're doing it's going to be able to help them? Let's figure that thing out. So I think keeping that in mind set, not the Do we all agree line by line on every sort of piece of it because what works best for somebody might not work best for us. But this is what a group of people that have been to every MP across the city have gotten input from MP use. Has everybody contributed No but I think more important thing is to read it not to like edit it at this point.
I completely agree about Reagon Absolutely. As a matter of fact, that's why I'm I'm asking you is to slow down a bit right? It's to ensure that our MP use this gets back to the actual meetings and so that they can actually read it. And I can again I can only speak from my own MPU when I brought this up and I specifically brought it up yes the planner also brought it up too. But when I talked about it, I had two people who reached out to me regarding Ellerby proceedings, and I was able to connect them with case Stevenson regarding a tag three and their their machinations. So I think that this is a really good document and it to your point, it brings about a lot of conversation, right? This is the first time we've done anything like this. I think there should be some great pride taken in this work, and I think DCP should be celebrated for the work that they have done. I will also respectfully say though, right I have made recommendations to this that are not in this document, and they have specifically been left out and very purposely left out and I will live with that. Right. I understand that. That is I don't understand that it's DCPS role, but I will accept it nonetheless. And that is where I think that sharing it with more people is helpful. Because I think that when DCP goes to each neighborhood meeting, we never hear that stuff. Right? We just see the document that comes from that. I think that's a big lift. I think that's huge. And I think that's super helpful and I'm super glad DCP is doing it and I don't have to but I also think that to my point of defining DCPS roles and responsibilities, I wanted to do that so that it can empower a PAB to serve as a place to bring in P us together to talk about what we're supposed to be doing right. These best practices, these aspects of of what we need to be doing as an MPU DCP is doing that. I don't know that they always have the trust of the citizens around them. I can personally say that I used to have a lot of faith in DCP no offense to you personally. But I do not now and so and that is from learned experience. So I'm just saying that it never hurts to slow something down, read it through, see what conversation comes from that and see if there are more ideas that that bubble up from it. I think that can be healthy for a pub and for the MP is
just they may or may not include those requests requested is whether what we have in front of us is reasonable. If there are additional employees, I can go along no one is really explained to me what is the measure for supplementing this, but I don't see anyone that has said there's anything that they disagree with or find that is unreasonable. And that's why it's a cycle face. It's a it's a it's a it's a ground document, nothing, no precedent, so why not submit it? And again, once it's submitted, it may have a broader reach, because it then becomes codified somehow so
and that is my fear. Right? Well, let's read
anything that you're opposed to in in the dress I made earlier. It's not mandatory. It is so much thought
it might be Gloria repeat. It might be might be it might become mandatory, right and I would rather people who are not me who have actually served as MPU chairs have the time more than an hour and a half to read this and digest it and I mean, I I just I I will never be opposed to letting more people read things and letting more eyes see something.
Just keep in mind. This is a read this came from a resolution not an audit.
Okay, right, but I'm not I'm gonna be cynical enough and say that it may it may take on an ordinance right or
wrong as amendments are made to it and we put these things into practice. We'll learn that you were learning every day.
There's so there's
codified in some way, but right now is in a resolution form. And we are to make recommendations and it's my understanding that we can make recommendations every day if we need to as we're actually trying to implement some of these things.
But those recommendations don't always make it to this lawmakers. Right. I mean, don't get me wrong. I will make sure that my get there because my my lawmaker is the chairman of the committee right. But at the same time i i am saying for whomever may be out as a citizen of Atlanta, they should be able to take a look at this digested. Ask questions, maybe learn a little bit more and offer some what ifs and I think that benefits us all. Right.
I've just got a two a two part piece and I didn't I really think that we spent a lot of time going back and forth on whether we should push it forward. And I just said I was gonna push forward on that, you know, but I think that there's so many issues going on in the city right now. And even for our benefit, our consumption and for our engagement, which is what we tried to do. It allows opportunity to help us to actually help people go to some of these communities was the fear some of these vacancies was engaged to say, Hey, we've been trying to reach you, you by me. And these are some things that we got you here that we can be working on and they can be just input from so I just think that we should just call the question on this and this move voted voted down whether we either vote on it on Saturday or moving to next month.
I'll add one more thing if I can. Even number two on here, it goes into communication. And two point that was made many times. It's not specific enough even when it comes to communicating what it says here for instance is that for instance, information needs to be distributed immediately. How is it being distributed? When is it being distributed? What resources what resources are being given for the distribution of of the document, the crux of all this is I think many of us are saying that, for whatever reason. A lot of the NP us have not had the time to have a robust discussion around this for whatever reason it just has not been communicated. And the this document needs to be over communicated to the NP use in it. And in my experience, it has not been and there hasn't been a very direct conversation around this and maybe up to the president or the share of the MPU to really do or call them for maybe a special meeting to do. But at the end of the day. It's to say that this document right here has not been communicated throughout the NPU system in the way that it should have been communicated at this point in time, Mr. Ross
Yeah. You know, I've listened to everybody on this thing. And it's like you guys understand what it's not a mandate. It does not hold the introduce to the line. Number two is only recommendations, a guideline and framework number three there's 25 With the use of the city and Etn pu operates. Everyone is thinking from their own individual NVQs but their MP uses operate radically different from your MP you for your MP or urine. So one size will never ever fit the entire interview process. So it's has to be vague, but by definition, because then the US will communicate differently. They will process differently. They will precede them.
How do you supplement this like we talked about limited budget? Opportunities like you're talking about in terms
of I'm so happy to see you here. It is good to see but let me finish please. Okay, so what I was saying is Gloria's fundamental question was, how do you amend this, which is where you were going with that right now? Okay, well, how do you how do you add or delete an attendee edit those kinds of things, but it's not going to turn into an ordinance. It's not going to turn into a legislation. I guarantee you that we are nameless does not have enough support on city council to do that. And he will literally be committing career suicide.
Right. Have that do indeed have the NPU system as a whole in their purview to revamp that is a fact. So I hear and I respect that we have been told and heard that this will not go anywhere. And it's just recommendation but there are indeed council people that are looking to revamp the entire event system. So what was the opportunity to say them that this won't go anywhere is not fair.
So something went on to make it okay, collectively, we're trying to make it better. And even with the council, collectively, they're trying to make it better, but their particular focus comes to them because of what happens in their MPs that are in their districts. So consequently, yeah, there's a lot of them are seeking revamping, because a lot of problems. We all have some things that need a solution to best solution to those problems. Okay, now, here's the thing. We're not going to be able to resolve in your least problems in EU citizens, even if we extended the national vote to September mean, we're still not going to be able to incorporate everything that we feel needs to be there and we're not going to be able to solve the problems. The thing is, if we have best practices in the hands of the delegates, the alternates and the chairs we then can start doing our surveys close to the end of the year, whatever Are you here for best practices and tell us whatever, whatever you decide you want to do to collect that data, but data collection is what this will provide for us. And so we don't want to spend the whole two hours on this because ultimately, we're not we're not at a point where you don't feel that we're ready to take this forward.
So we need to take a vote I will, we
will opponent before you make a motion we only have what five or six days before we actually have our gentlemen. And we just got the final draft. Now I'm of the mindset that I would much rather so that everybody is in agreement than the introducing more time to go work on this final draft. I'm of the mindset that I had no issues with asking the council member to let us make our presentation at the first meeting in September of the CHS committee and I guess that the first one this month was around midnight, so I guess that would be somewhere close to they have to message us
later because they can remember some interviews and have already met the spot to get that September.
I'm saying that because in the ordinance, it stated something about we had 90 days to do
this resolution. Upside down.
He also said we could adjust
that. Yeah. And so far we have because we we asked not to have to do it on the night. We wanted to push it to the 23rd. So we're talking about pushing it to September that our next step, of course, would be that first cdhs meeting in September. So my question to you all is, will that be enough time?
I think I think we if we help facilitate and we help make sure that people know and understand that engagement engagement that we can assure that will be ready in the time that you prescribe.
As soon as like the proper role play to your point.
I was just going to remind us that a pub is often used as the vetting process or has been at times the vetting process for city wide issues. Whether council members individually want to revamp the MPU process. We're it like we are it so I I would personally be in favor of hearing this presented at this meeting as was planned, but perhaps taking a vote at the September meeting. And I think that that falls in line with the rest of our resolutions as well. And I would love to learn Yes. What is the amendment process that sounds like it's a question that's risen up from here. And you know the
process people is you run out. You are in the process that the resolution said that Department of Planning was to
get with apex, but that's for a 90 day period
that was okay, but the any amendments or whatever, it's got to come right back to us to be right so I can we can put that in writing if that's what you're saying.
Those are the opposite. We were not talking about opportunities, all the things that you said it's all opportunities like here's the and here's why. And here's to opportunity. Oh three, I mean, they're just that pass through so I'm not gonna map and if we're if we're guiding this that's another opportunity which is what's to walk through so assured that we can be bang on top of other opportunities that we get while engaging with NPU. So when
you starting to talk about an amendment process, that means you got to review process. So are you saying perhaps every six months we do a review or every year we do a review and amendment or much younger signature signatures.
Yeah, I just wasn't expected to pry into it quite so abruptly.
But this is about the MPs this as fundamental
NPU had a problem or issue or concern that involve a payout per se. Then we wanted to better we can talk about it but it's also an opportunity to go into gyms committee to further go deep dive than just coming to the APEC meeting or to be on committee or AICPA either or there's a there's a committee on a panel that can do more of a deep dive. People may have missed some things that we're going to go through. Then we have a committee that's on a path that reflects not only the council's committee, but it trickles that's the whole reason it was created that way. It was me it was it was to mirror all of those things. So therefore, it powers in our purview, and it will come to this body but if you still have the committee's on his body that are able to go into more depth, like we could talk about like we're doing now, which would take us about an hour or so like it took about six to nine minutes.
I think that it is inevitable that this document will need to be amended in the next year because we're obviously going to start having hybrid meetings in next year. And the document only addresses virtual and physical meetings. And we don't know what the issues that are going to crop up with hybrid meetings are because we haven't yet
so this so I've said we've already got a prescribed method that's already defined on how we're designed that even if it comes to what's the appeal process can be simply by way of resolution from the MPU and communication to a panel about whatever the concerns to us. We can be at it which means that not only are the the GPUs, we have the autonomy to do it straight to the council or straight to planning but it involves us into the process through the delegate and alternate process and by way of resolution to be able to have poor discussion to wish there may be multiple and communications that come to us Batson whatever form that will allow us to address and moving
forward today. I think that it sounds like one plan of action. The first course of action before talking about the amendment process, etc is to ensure that this document gets back out to NP use and that it goes to their executive discussion and he stops recording like that's something
to all don't shift chairs, delegates and alternates asking them specific No, this time. We're going to instruct them that this is urgent. Yes. Please disseminate it to your entire five.
I think we should start there. Yeah, before we get into the amendments and how to amend I think that's a great discussion. But I think for the sake of time and where we are, what we know right now is that this needs to get out to the GPUs in the way that you described.
I was going to make a statement about amendment. An annual review seems reasonable. I an annual review, and then in kind with that, because this specifically and our purpose is to be aligned with the CDP. Why not have a repository of those, those policies that each NPU has that are being sent to the Department of Planning, have another repository for them with with a PAB I you know I can't see there would be redundancy being a problem.
You can submit these anytime you want to the appropriate committee maybe that they wholesale or looked at at a given time but anytime you see change needed you can submit it
you can I would not limit it to that
question about whether we would do an annual review.
Yes, I was thinking more. Yes, yes. Correct. That was the correct interpretation basis
for each in the NBU within the document itself. Assessment of MBU l
only allows us for the MP used to put us on notice that it's happening. They don't have to and sometimes they don't come to us, but But if we're already going to review it, and we're copied on those things, and then we now know even in even it's even on the follow up if they may have made a suggestion or recommendation, whether it's been follow through and that will be will be able to bring us back into the fold to discuss annual review.
I'm sorry. So ultimately what I'm getting from you for right now, is that we want to request an extension of time before it goes to chs. And we want to delay the vote on it until our September meeting, is that what I'm getting is that correct? Kyle?
I think what has been discussed is we need to figure out what cdhs timeline is anyway, as far as I know, nothing is currently scheduled even for the coming meeting. So figure out when they can have a presentation scheduled. I think it's imperative on us to help get the word out regarding this document to the MPs I think at the general body meeting, we can have a motion whatever it is to say we fully endorse it, we endorse it but we still want more time to discuss it. We hopefully will know whether or not when it will be on the cdhs calendar. But I think to say at this point we know we're gonna have to defer it to September might be premature, because it might not happen until October. It could happen who knows when right? But I think it's already on the agenda for the full body meeting. I think at the full body meeting we can get a comfort level and say hey, I spoke to my MPU Everybody's cool with it or my MP or six MPs or 12 or 24 or 25 MPs said We want more time than we can convey that at the meeting next week.
What's on the 23rd What was the
One of one of the opportunities in this just going through the list is that we didn't support whoever didn't feel comfortable or want to push it forward. You can push it forward with a vote instead of holding a committee if they had scheduled already. But go ahead and push it through pushes through saying they need to make it here by the committee.
Well, it's just a presentation. It's not a resolution. It's just a presentation because the resolution said we want to get what these what this is within 90 days. So does this I'm going to see this right, just as a presentation. It's not it's not legislation. Gotcha. Gotcha. And who's prison time? Planning. Okay, gotcha.
Okay. You should have a copy of the RS 20 agenda and the documents that we don't have we will get to one presentation I'm sorry, for long sorted out. The only presentation that was scheduled, of course would be recommendations of the final review and I have one your final review and vote for the best practices. Should I change that or should I leave that as recommendations for final vote?
Yes. So I think like these best practices say and what I think we expressed explicitly in our last meeting was this not like a vote she's not trying to get some count. She just wants to go to convey what the sentiment of a pad is to the committee when she presents so So just to review, well, I think a motion can be made to say we want to write a letter we want to show our support whatever but it's not Leah's not saying I need a count. She just wants to go to convey the sentiment a pad, as at that time in advance of the committee meeting whenever that schedule.
I put my vote, vote on everything, just so people can come back and say, Well, I didn't do this and I didn't know about that. That's just that's me.
So I think so if you want to keep vote to let folks know that it could be there could be a vote on something. Yes, but I don't think anybody's saying we need to have a vote on it necessarily. Definitely don't live in. conditions.
But we will have a chance to share that to our body prior to at least not with any length of time present actually process. Sure.
why don't we just listed as a presentation and then we can have a resolution out of committee expressing a sentiment on the agenda next one? Yeah.
CHS or sure a committee on a PAP or both?
Well, out of committee on a path that generated the morning of August 20 so that it could be on the agenda the following month. Right. We can't move. We can't move resolution out of committee and then 15 Mr. Haire habit city. So I think I think we probably make more sense to him at a CHS
for the CHS. Council. You're probably
so I mean, we could have the presentation, listen to the discussion, put it on this EHS agenda and write something up and bring it back to this body, two week or a week ahead of next month's regular full body meeting and then have it on the agenda that makes sense. Okay.
All right. So after submission, the 23rd is all for presentation. Well, I don't
we don't actually know that it's on but we don't know when anything is scheduled yet. And then the 90 day deadline is coming. So anyone kind of find out when someone will have it scheduled and how much time we have and whether or not we want to push back. So whatever it was
before council for both, what does that say?
That was the participant 90 day period, the 23rd of August would have been at that cdhs would have been more than 90 days. So we might have to request an extension. Okay, so what I'm just doing from you all Caronia, we have no resolutions for the agenda for Saturday, right? So he's demands on
okay. There was one that was included in the packet that lowercase E alumnus ID for ad.
That is the resolution that pertains to this. Best practice
now board and castles reports I'm having difficulty with this. There's more ways than shared. In your packet you should have my a copy of my worksheet that says 2022. Representative to see for return some data from the central female, saying that James Holmes from NPR and Ken Wilkinson from NPD both have been signed back now makes us have six vacancies on that board. I have not talked to others but I am going to try and get in touch with them. Want to get an overview? What they think that gets feet to the stick is our most recent appointee. And I asked her what was her perception does she feel welcome does she feel like she was being included? She said that the stuff that they're discussing, of course, is things that have been happening over the past, what, six, seven years or whatever, and subsequent legislation and stuff like that, that goes along with it. So she said of course they gave her this packet of information to read and she said she had just had to read all this stuff to kind of bring herself up. I don't know if that process can even be made any easier since the Beltline is one of those physical action boards so to speak. But I'm getting the feeling that James Holmes was the last one that we appointed before we appointed Kareem and so he was on on for about less than a year since yesterday here. So thinking that there's a certain degree of boredom or lack of understanding as to what's going on. That's making them not being as responsive as we would like them to be. They know that they're supposed to come to a path and they were supposed to get between themselves and make the post to aid that we did not ask any of them to come every month, you know, individually if one person from the Beltline was going to be here on a march, there's another one of you would come in April and so on because it's enough of you and we're not good. So, I am going to contact all of them. I'm really going to ask them to be present at our meeting on Saturday. Because we need to get a feel for what's going on or what their interpretations are. It does not do us any good people to waste our time going through all of these flashes of vetting these people and you sending in all this paperwork to always give the counsel to the clerk and then to the person over that particular board or commission and then our people don't show up or don't participate. Now Jim gave me a kind of a quick overview I said last month, what his perception of how things work when he was there. And I think one of the things he said that it was difficult to get a quorum a lot of times and there are a lot of people on that board as
well. To sort of help with that. They instituted a policy while I was still on there and I imagine it's still enforced that if you miss some number of consecutive meetings, I think it was three, you're automatically off. You don't have to announce your resignation. And problem was that there were a lot of people who were appointed to that board that no one had ever seen. But because no one ever saw them It made it difficult to get a quorum. Now there also were a lot of vacant seats because it's not just you know a pipe appoint city councilman and Mayor and school board. And a lot of those were never, never filled. So I think like half of that board is empty. So if half of the AIPAC appointees are empty seats, then we're average.
I think that's a question Why Why is nobody interested? That's what
it's a board that has very little authority. That is given very little information by Abi and that has very little tasking. So, you know, a lot of it was I mean, like every year I was on there six years I was on there, that, you know, disproportion amount of time and every single meeting was people sitting around waiting, what the mission of the board was, you know, that that should have been, you know, established in year one, and it was still being argued over a year 15.
That's what James said James is really reliable. He was our VP at NPY IT guy Delta corporate, and he said it was just a complete waste of time and few people that fell into the room for clues. So he said he got bored from sub area meetings, you know, like sub areas into different areas in the Beltline. He said there was far more with the presenters that came in, then a bunch of folks sitting around the table.
Yeah, Avi doesn't give any gives very little more information to take that that gives to the general public
built on me.
And in fact, in many ways, they give more information to the general public because if you're on the board and you want to learn this stuff, you don't learn to board meetings, you're you have to go to these sub area meetings and these quarterly meetings and all these other meetings that are presentations to the public in order to get the information that you're not provided with by other means. So yeah, I mean, it does feel very much like wasted
so we know that our beltline is for one of our boards that we have some issues with and two, we got six vacancies. And so I think before I sit down on call for people to volunteer to sit on that board, just want to have a conversation because see, I've never met Carolyn Damon. I've never met
Julius. Carolyn is our second year. Didn't she a de appointing up? You don't have an MP was an extra name.
No, I've never met her. And I don't know if you said she's me. You wouldn't
believe she's D I think she's the latter. I got Kim Wilkerson know that the MPU Oh, give me where she lives. Oh, if you think she's from Atlanta, than ever Atlanta.
And as the dean mentioned, I mean, I could,
I could look that up and confirm it for you because I'm speaking from memory.
All right. Has anybody ever met show us Kevin has and he's been on it? Tea I don't know what that is? Mr. T. Mr. T o ka forced
to wonder social media
so that was an issue. Most dogs out through that Dr. Howard elected not to continue to pursue the appointment because she was appointed as she was invited to sit on a federal
federal law enforcement board.
Now, along those lines, our recording secretary article in Peach Pundit as you know, she does have a number of parts. And in this sheet, I think this is the one that you're entitled. This is why you can't have nice things. Or something like that. She used correspond correspondence that came from a sustained li
from the ACRB now while a lot of that was redacted, redacted, quite a bit of the information in the emails, whatever, but she still left his name on first of all, so we don't have these kinds of problems again. Ladies and gentlemen. You are city on official city of Atlanta. Work I don't you don't have the authority to send out especially to put in an article that goes out to different folks that way. Any correspondence that happens between APAB and another city department without approval from that department? Now, I'm not gonna say any more about that because I was told not to. Somebody else is handled with that. The thing is we have to watch what we do. Now. I have not said anything to miss a hawk. About the various articles and all that she's written, including the last one that she wrote about me, okay. Somebody else handle that. But when you start using correspondence that has come to a cat in this email, the only way you can use that is that it is requested through them open records request. I'll
be happy to open records request my own emails from now on. This is a general email in the email that he sent Where could the a pub general email to which we all have access as an executive
committee's executive committee but we don't have you know, that we don't have authority putting this in any kind of
article. So let's say um, it is an open records request I will make. It was not your right. But I will in the future make an open records request if that is what is requisite to have the transparency that is needed on this for you are not reflecting this correctly. This is not she did not decline she withdrew her consideration for this board appointment. After I sent an email inviting her to our APAB meeting. An hour later, that email arrived from the ACRB be that was not a coincidence. We have there was no motion on her particular file or her consideration for seven months. And when I followed up with her, she identified that she had withdrawn it because she had been reached out and informed that her base contact information had expired. I would like to know where it has any expiration date on the contact form that we are required because that is something we need to be informing people.
That that is information though this is where you should have brought that if that was a concern.
But this is a habit that you have respectfully, Madam President, you block people, you block people and you use the lack of transparency of this board to make that happen. And respectfully. I will also say that you are disingenuous about most of your representations regarding these appointments. You do not seek those people. You make lots of discussions here publicly, but then when you have the opportunity to actually follow up with those people. You do not take it. I provided you and Gloria both with Justin bleepers cell phone after you said repeatedly that he did not attend meetings, and I know that he called both of you and left both of you messages to which you did not.
And the voicemail message the same day that he called me.
That is not true. That is not true.
Yes, true is on my phone. I called him back. But nonetheless, here's that
is not what he has
told me. That's important. All of this is kind of going back to those email addresses right? That each and every one of us on this board and as a committee should have, where all board business is being conducted. Through those email addresses. Because when business is being conducted, where we're all using our own personal email addresses, I'm not too sure what what regulations are over that or what have you. But what I do know is that if we're using personal emails to communicate APAB business, I can tell anybody I want about what's going on my personal email, but if we're really looking to really protect and be a professional board as we at least since I've been here I've been saying for months, each of us needs a email address, for a path or all business for aid that is being conducted there. And therefore, when it comes to open record requests, we can be very direct and specific about that and say, Hey, maybe that should end up in the paper. But when we're all using our own email addresses personal, what
is not this what not what the issue is.. the issue is The issue is me. APAB at Gmail. Okay.
All right. And which we all have access to? No, we don't. Yes, we do. All of the executive committee members do you gave it to us at the beginning of the year.
I didn't give access to all of the executive you did
you give it to us. You gave it to Sharita you gave it to Gloria and you gave it to Keona.
I gave it to the two vice presidents and the two secretaries because those
were people okay, forgive me, Sharita. Sure. I thought that you were included and I
would be doing emails and putting down.
I'm also not recording secretary and the corresponding Secretary
correspondence. The issue is,
you don't like to being transparent. You do not like the aspect of showing what you actually do.
You can take four emails and put a publish them in an article without having gotten
permission to use you I will absolutely open records requests the entire inbox if that is what you would prefer in this instance, that's no I did not do it in that instance. But that is the only block that is there. And that is just a slow that is just a method to slow it down. It doesn't excuse your actions. Respectfully, madam president that does not excuse your actions. This is something that you do under the cloak of the power of APAB which the parliamentarian I'm sad that he is not here does he has repeatedly identified that you do not have the power to do these things.
What are what are you talking about
to do to act independently and then that is what you do you block people you do not follow through with you. You have taken seven months to proceed with this. And you asked her to send her face contact again.
I sent her application, her base form to Mr. Sol gas office, like I was supposed
to. We identified
that information to that board or that organization. It is
but it was not sent immediately. It was not sent immediately. And you know it was not to say it was sent immediately. No but I'm telling this is this is a part of the process right? This is what you do. You take various lengths of time to get various things done. To the extent that the federal government moves faster through their appointment process than APAB does. I mean, she's appointed currently through a federal federal committee current
conversation at ACRB Is this woman is a tax attorney, a longtime federal ally, at some point, even without this process being delayed. She had an in her own words determined that she could be could be of greater service on the federal level. And that was her ultimate bottom line for deciding not to delay.
But she shared with me, Gloria
emailed to us and you saw it,
and I called her and followed up to better understand
was that she felt she could do and she's probably right could do more on that. But what was the indictment it appeared to me from what I read was that it was the inefficiency not just of APEC ACR be the clerk's office that in concert we lost the big fish
Yes, but but but that respectfully you did you took seven months to move through them and no,
that's not what she said. She was just waiting I don't think if she was seated in December or January that she has plenty to do. She's a financial officer. And so the thrust of it is in the interim she decided that you know, that's a good organization, but it had nothing to do with what you're saying is our if you call it our inefficiencies, that's our
secondly I spoke with her GLORIA I called her to double check my own assumptions. And I asked her what her experience was, and that is what I
experienced is to inefficiency of acrp a PAP in the clerk's office that's not that was your interpretation. That's not what she yielded. What she yielded was it was a greater opportunity to serve on the federal I don't think he did you mentioned that in your article that she mentioned it was a greater opportunity to serve on the federal level.
It's a greater opportunity. No,
no one said that that's that would be the ballot no
as a matter of fact, I emphasize the loss to Atlanta, right
what I'm saying that's what the contentedness it feels hurtful, that you don't bring the balance it may 8 path
but it's an opinion piece. That is not required opinion
piece that serves your role as an editor and a writer, but it may be harping on you have a fiduciary duty of care I
do not that is not listed in any of our respectfully
I swear that I will faithfully and that is
something that you have both articulated multiple times. And I challenge that
the nature of raising your hand. What do you think if you did raise your hand it creates a divide
and I submit myself to the ethics review and I will I will be fine and that will be that will be the punishment for that. I will take whatever consequences come of that. I will I will always do no side on transparency and I will always advise on the aspect of bringing this to the board for its knowledge.
QUESTION Because I've heard and I'm sorry, because I missed a couple of minutes, you know me, but my very last meeting, which was an other room, kind of similar to this correct. And so in so are you reading the article says she's I have no, that's why I say I have no, that's what I'm still on. And so that's what I'm saying is that please, please submit those things so that we can discuss it. So because if we're discussing it, I'm saying and I apologize for me not being here. But I'm just trying to get to a
to honest with you guys. I have forced myself not to download those articles and send them out to every chair. Don't get them all to what I'm just about to ask her for the average. I mean, I've been asked to you because
she uses Spicer from Saturday Night Live as a talking head and imputes that topic head to and just what she's doing and she sends it out to the world as a member of this body. So
she's talking about you all ladies and gentlemen, that's unique.
Talking about you, Tom.
Really important that we bring this back to AIPAC right now, right? That's number one. So people writing articles and putting out things that's not their cater truly, respectfully everyone that is neither here nor there how you personally feel with someone putting out an article and that is not to be in my opinion to be to really be discussed here, nor is it appropriate in this particular case, to in my opinion out to be attacking somebody at this point. Because that's how it's coming on has a house coming off right now is is coming off as attacking. And that's not what we're supposed to be discussing right now. And this is not the first time that this has happened since I've been here where it feels like we're getting too personal. So my recommendation right now is that we get back to the business of the board. Okay, well,
let me just show you the business of the board. So that you know, she used correspondence that came in the APEC email in that article, and she did redact some of the information. She did not get your permission as the executive committee to use those emails. She did not request do it through open
record, let's let them only right at this moment be the issue not all of the other personal data. That is the issue where we feel that records or correspondence was put out there in an unauthorized way. Let's address that in particular way and
that was sort of format. I think what happened then was opened up is that there's a series of articles but she lead with what is absolutely a contention that much of what we do is subject to doping. This is subject to Open Meetings of general body. The question is, are the emails internal emails of the executive committee can they be released other than through an open and all that but it led and led to a bunch of like, there are other things this is the one that has been determined I hear
a lot so listen, to analyze that and listen to Sir internally that will come with some internal policy to communicate as Secretary that's what Mr. Blitzer solutions to opportunity. Now we can take the opportunity of keep going, I can pull up and let the city have that piece to their, to their portions. But I think the biggest concern as we have vacancies, because I think this conversation that we came out of was the amount of vacancies that we have to appointments. And so therefore that's more of the issue right now that how can we do this better? How can we how can we start to get people to want to come to apex because again, through my 17 years of being around and benefiting from the city API has been one of those bodies, they fluctuate, you know, I mean, and so therefore, we have an opportunity to do best practices and to get our own stuff and our own house in order. So we should take the opportunity to do so. But like I'm saying my last meeting I was here. We talked about the same thing. And what unfortunately, I was the person of conversation. And so that we didn't
create anything. No, no, no, this was this and I'm telling you all this because it was an ethics violation and as the bullet so can you say can you sell okay certainly here more recent article
talks about your writing times delicacies set by precedent something has happened. Now that shows you the policy This has never happened before because you've got someone who's totally on the board. You could reasonably interpret some of what is being written as as harmful till the point is that you're making policy policy oftentimes grows out of issues that become front and center. You're right policy may now need to be developed to determine or at least some guidelines as to what what may be when we have writers amongst us whether the writings are unethical or whether the writings
reflect or just open just to the process. So therefore anybody now does something similar to open records. Anybody can request open records were based organization is subject to open records. It goes it goes back to his conversation clearly in here but his point though, is that Haitians on
these email emails on this executive team have the only any, any reference any, any indication that that email is being used has to come through open records online or meetings, or meetings.
But what's your what's your what what you're not considering is that there's internal conflict among the body who may be ousted at one point or another and it goes to anyone who was who would then want to know who would be in meets it. Let's say that we go right and let's say let's say we go back to the email piece where he had an email, that was a sign, it's a pale, right? He was ousted, and some of those correspondents that had he don't have access to him, so he wants to do open record requests, you know, I mean, that's in the purview, which means that he no longer has access to, which means now he has to go to let's say he's not on a path anymore. And he's not getting cooperation per se. So then he if he has to failsafe by going through the process that's been prescribed and recommended by the state of Georgia, which is open record. So we just need to internalize what we're doing,
I think, the policy or
whatever, you have to do what you're saying but
you said a member of this body be a member of our females. Now it's not really right now, anything that this is open, it's the emails that are not open that are subject to open record was myself you going to reference it or use that email in those communications in your writing. You have to get an open records request in order to do that.
adopt the resolution this book is adopt a resolution that says that piece so they'll get internalize it documented that we're having this conversation. Ethics
Officer weighed in on this.
I'm still waiting on them to tell us
what I mean shine certainly truly for it's really for the ethics officer to make a determination that there's an issue here for us to make a determination
for this board as to whether we find it rises to the level of harmfulness? Well,
I think this question becomes after the city's ethics officer has made a determination, we may wish to make a policy right making a policy before this ethics officer has made a determination seems
pointless, like you're assuming that the ethics officers only when maybe involved in the queries, but I think the law department as far as this the same the same though no the most important
functions, so therefore, the options need legal to to weigh in legal way. Yeah. And so so we have the opportunity before we went to ethics is to discuss internalize it, and the incidence ethics which we have already internalized it, since the FTC get weighed in on back and burned with a lot of form or not, and then get a recommendation from him and then
we discussed it, don't waste my time
here with this if if the officers wishing here and people believe that there should have been no we did create a policy why about was
just about time, my brain was required by law to notify you all that that happened, and it is an ethics issue. And that was all told to say 45 minutes later. That's why I started. Okay. All right. Um, code enforcement commission still is an inactive commission right now. Jerry Newmark on the governing board of inspectors Gary has not appeared at APEN. He has not responded to my emails, nor my phone calls nor the two vice presidents phone calls. So he has been going to the inspector general meetings to check that he has been they meet for every other month, something like that. But he has not been responding to us. His term is up in 2020 threes. So I think that we need to consider this time looking for somebody else to sit on that was it O O RG is Officer his governing board of the Inspector General. Keep it nice, beautiful Barbara homebridge is still serving license Review Board Of course. That's Mr. Terry Ross. Mr. Ross. Congratulations on your wonderful job on conducting the LRB meeting. Welcome. Okay. So who's Are you device to
know enter for that evening. I just was filled in that way. All right, colleagues.
Still was good to see in a favour point she could have already invested one Atlanta, of course, made the announcement at the last executive committee meeting that the mayor's office Mr. Dahle is stripped down of the mayor's office mayor's Chief of Staff has sent me a letter email stating that the mayor had made a suggestion in the investor Atlanta appointment, however, and I said this at the last meeting, the letter said the mayor's has made a selection. He did not indicate in the selection. This Miss lager Unisys Mr. Glover's resume attached so of course that was the that was she from what I understand she has been faded through public information.
Like do something about it? Yes, legislation about
public information. The fact that you would have just been so as it
gets and you haven't gone before. The Council, right? I don't go before them. Okay. It'll go to two places. Okay. And we've got some court money
just watch over.
Me, I'm excited out of labor
and of course, a tag is K Stevenson. The Public Safety Commission. Miss parents miss her. Mr. tumor and Mr. Anderson. Were our four confirmed appointees that were confirmed last month and not certain that they they all attended the first meeting is the second meeting video yet?
This past Thursday. So how many do we have from here on that? Mission?
It's five all together.
So Chris is the designee that questions so yeah. Is that right?
All right. For Miss Paris
that's the commission we've seen. We sit down towards Susannah Euro
Solid Waste Management Authority Board is still nonfunctioning Mr Woodson was our last appointee on that. And the elected officials compensation committee that meets only every four four years or something like that. And that's where they review the salary. So
I'm sure you said the Waste Management Board is not functioning
as far as this what they said was not functioning yet. Is that correct? Now clarify that but last check I made with that office. That was,
to me, it was the purview of the of that body
when they get ready to go up on your solid waste bill. Wasn't
that's not what they do so. So the state wants to make sure that there's some coordination on new landfill construction, that sort of stuff. So whenever the city of Atlanta or Fulton County wants to do anything else, big picture regarding solid waste, they need to have this agency in place to do it. If they're gonna issue bonds for construction of a new plant or whatever transfer station so they only they only exist when those things happen, and then otherwise, they don't. It's like the elected officials compensation committee like every four years, they're brought together they exist and then they go on to
the new Atlanta infrastructure fund Technical Advisory Committee. That is still under suspension. Last appointing was Dr. John Lucey.
Our authority to appoint was taken away from us was not correct.
Not in any of our correspondents that I've seen,
if you look at the resolutions in that, that big list resolutions that I sent, you will see one asking Is it
because it was stricken during a revision to the code. And as far as I know, it was not reinstated.
No thanks at Martin's
when we don't have an appointment for that well, they
don't exist anywhere.
Yeah, well, we were taking our authority or point was taken away before the body itself been taken. So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about that
will. There will be new committees for the new bonds that are issued so we shouldn't have that on our radar. But that legislation has the legislation saying those things will be created exists but not the actual legislation to create
committees for the bonds that are being created is that
whatever so for the infrastructure bond and the taste boss. That's the word bottom.
All right, man is for discussion. At the last meeting, we discussed the executive committee meeting, we discussed some of the goals that we want to try to get completed by the end. And one of them was that we want to try to see if we could get the website fully up and running and get the email addresses and everything set up. So Ben, thank you so much for joining us today. Do bring us up to date as to where we are.
So Terry, tell and I have a few meetings. The website. So we have over functionality for beer, what a digest just 10 years ago and bring along that forward. So I think the website is so that part is clear roadmap. The big challenge with Cassidy Powell as part of the discussion here was in how to deal with email, the email, so we pray this, we just kind of amongst ourselves, talk through what we felt like might be the best technical approach because there are many ways you can do email. There's a lot of infinite loops you can go about how using who has emails, quicker responding. So this is just sort of a first draft approach just to the three of us, put out there. We liked some input and guidance on as the body where we want to take this but we felt like amongst us testify that this would be a simpler solution as far as not burdening a lot of people with a lot of emails and they may or may not have time to manage so it's more of like a funnel approach.
Think I'm gonna have to go back and check emails as someone that domain registration and all that stuff will be coming up sometime soon. Do are we going to stay with that one or do you are you are recommending that we change to another well, though, host and
so the website is hosted by a reseller outside and dozens and dozens of websites, those reseller accounts so that that is a good platform for hosting as to cheers, actually the vacuum for drawl through Google Photos like security, Google infrastructure, back end. So it's a bit of fast efficient and all that a lot of flexibility. features that we can utilize on our website without having to pay for extra stuff. So I don't think me personally feel like you need to post right now and do anything that but you know, part of what being inside of the body is who makes those decisions. Set for big policy rock debate, the best internet service provider and a web team, which is what we're recommending Craig storable web team that kind of oversees the technical parts on the site as a webmaster functions to make sure those things up make sure websites at security plugins, make sure the emails you know are going through and as well as probably know who to ask, you know, email which I don't see emails. So there needs to be one more follow. You know, the director you know, there's gonna be what we call a webmaster.
This kind of for me to understand about you trying to set up separate email accounts versus
no, it's about what what would be the email policy, or website or the website or committee chairs or whatever, because there's been people asking for, they have their own committee like a committee Chairman's their own email to be able to send official communications back and forth. And then there's questions about if people are using them personally males and
female in the website in two different districts.
Same well, they are doing their emails and there's website, update the website and everybody will need to figure out how to do email to these people, right
but email your correspondence and communications go on the website, so therefore, people were getting engaged with the website.
Doesn't have to be though. It doesn't mean it doesn't have to be like that.
Like I was saying, there's infinite ways you can do this scenario. So that's what we need to decide what we're doing are things but but so right now there's a Gmail account. That they haven't firstname.lastname@example.org This officially mailbox, coalitional CDs website, our website, and it's out there, right. But make sure to have their own email to send if you want your bylaws. Information from the chair was the next meeting. You know, how do I get that email to calm right? Do I have to go through lame mailbox? Indirectly does he use a personal email is published out? You know, so that's what we as a body need to formalize the standard operating procedure and we're going to do with all these types of communications so that we do clearly understand who's doing what LAN and and who has approval, we would check it out. Alright, so the incoming email someone was UK late, they have the email, the default address. So to take a step back within Google, Google offers a business solution where you can attach your website's address to an email that now was dumped. Just like our a pad email@example.com I only see the Gmail, but we can utilize our web address the API of atlanta.org and have that email attached inside of Gmail so that you would still go into the Gmail folder. You see it all the way you see it now but from the public, they're sent into the same address as our website. And it's not it's almost like a mask. They don't they don't see this Gmail. So we recommend that you know, we've got to attach our website address to the and then there is the functionality that you can create other committee and special email alias addresses for like bylaws, safety, all these other committees and what you can do is they all go is the second block all those emails go into the same Gmail folder that the government that so they go in there, but then you can set up rules that we can put it Kyle's personal email that at least it sends it out that he can to get it if that's what he's used to look in on his phone. He can get copied that email when it comes in and the main email so it gets copied it and see if the way the bylaws
several goes to the Bylaws Committee right I think Kyle can go he
sees it gets copied still goes into the main folder. Okay, so all the officers that are used to look into the folder, see that correspondence come in that you part of the open records request and we received this outside communication, but then foul can just get it in his personal email because that's what he's used to. And you don't necessarily want them having full access to the Gmail folder. See? That's where we so that's where we can sort of piggyback the personal emails on the back end just to get that communication to him. But he is not mixed inside of the main folder that will be used as the official decentralizing his email. Yeah, being you know, the official archive repository, that Gmail folder,
and you have a question Why are personal emails involved in this at all? I don't think he's, he says,
whatever. I want to receive it. If I want to set up my own email address, I can, but whatever I want to receive it at we can set that up to send it to me, What are you saying? We sent you an email
but so I understand how it works. I'm just asking my general question is why again, our board correspondence still works. I get out I can understand how it works. I want to know why. Official board emails will still automatically end up in someone's personal email address.
If you opt to have that as an option. Why workflow then it's
safe versus you will use an awesome transportation at a tagline or die. Alright, emails coming to transportation would be dressed that way. But if you then could go in and pull all the transportation and set it up so it pops up on your phone each time something comes. That's not your personal email. So that is your ability your APEC can do. I don't know I'm actually meant for.
Well, it could be we talked about there may be people that wanted to go their Yahoo address because that's what they have on their phone. That's what they're checking. Instead of giving them that option of another email. To have to figure out how to check. We're saying that this model allows flexibility
out to make that happen. And here's where I am with this. We all are appointed or elected by our GPUs. To be the delegates tiers of alternates. That changes almost every year. Somebody's you know, we're not the same people all the time. I think it should be if it's, say that first vice president at AIPAC atlanta.org. So can be turned over to the next vice first vice president when they come in and they can assign a new password. I think it should be that way so that we never have a situation where there's a break it break
in continuity. Does this current workflow reflect what madam president has just said? No, no.
Let me let me try to explain. So
we've talked about it being transferable. I'm sorry. Well,
so what we're looking at here is not creating 12 Different brainy email accounts for everybody and have to manage that every year as people come and go. Instead, for the public. There's an opportunity to address a committee or a person, but it all still comes into the same repository archive account. If folks want to have access to that more instantaneous or whatever else, you can set it up so that there's a copy that's being sent to your personal address your work address, wherever you want it to go. For open records and everything else, there's still a copy that has been stored by a pad that everybody has access to as open records. But if for the sake of me accessing just like, if you sent to my work address, I could forward it to my personal account to my Gmail to my home, I could do whatever else I want to do, right. So it's making it easier for us to be able to know that there's a place that we're directing people to and that that's going to be the place to keep it what our practice or policy would be, is that wherever you want to reply to it from, if you want to just send a personal sort of quick email that you copy that same address back so once again, that gets logged into the archive. If we're trying to send something out to the body which is part of the sort of outgoing workflow that you would not be presenting your communication as the body unless it went through the process to get it out through whatever sort of body email address, so I couldn't send something as the bylaws committee chair that it was like oh, that's called speaking in the bylaws committee chair, unless we go through the second half, which is to communicate it through the body to say, Hey, this is what is coming out on behalf of the body otherwise, that it's just your personal communication, potentially in relationship to what APMs to do and that's up to you to be able to handle that. appropriately.
What I'm hearing is that currently, there's no way the public can be emailed in to assist that when I'm
no currently so none of that's currently there. It's right But currently, it's I just send it to the AIPAC at Gmail. Right, right. Well, right now the info doesn't exist, right. It's a pub firstname.lastname@example.org. And you'd be just saying, Hey, could you please forward this to the bylaws committee or whatever, right? What we're doing instead is recruiting some alias addresses for bylaws, transportation secretary, whatever you want to do, that would come into this same account is the exact same process we have now, except those new sort of dummy release addresses would allow us to do some smart filtering or forwarding or what else we want to do with it, to be able to get that to folks without so we had to go in there and check it and then say, Oh, this is intended for the president or for the vice president. Was
it necessary? We're all getting the emails, they're all coming into that account? Why is the onus on us to check it periodically?
I don't have access to it for one. But if we don't have to change anything,
what is it? What is it that's the standard convenient? Okay, well, maybe that's part of the chains and I thought all of the standing committee chairs were part of the executive committee.
So they are with everyone doesn't have access. So the A PABX at Gmail, ape email@example.com. For instance, I don't have the password to be able to log in there. So to your point in the perfect world, all the emails go there and we all have access to it's a login, but that's just not that's not the reality today,
but maybe should be the reality all of this seems kind of convoluted, because my opinion is everybody should see what's coming in. I agree. I agree.
So that's, that's what this does. That's exactly what this is doing. Except if someone says I would like to communicate regarding transportation, they can put transportation as a pedal and the.org. So when it gets into that account, it goes into a folder that hey, this is the transportation related stuff. And if the transportation committee chair doesn't want to have to like all check in once a day instead, you could say, dream I want my whatever email address to be able to get a copy of that. So I get instantaneous notification that something's landed in the general account.
Why just each committee just get an email address, like and then have the emails that go to that committee automatically as it is now with the transportation at AIPAC, any email that goes to firstname.lastname@example.org right now, automatically gets forwarded to the APAC Atlanta at Gmail. So I'm not understanding why. Email just can't be created for each committee. And again, every email that comes in to that committee is automatically sent to the general email capital signal. It's automatically rather it's copied automatically, automatically that we currently in the public like this, so would you
I don't know what's coming in so I can't access the email. What kind of
email full of emails that will say and then you want to say then what you want to do is that you're going to have at least a Gmail account storage increase, because you may have mindless emails now. So when you do that piece, you also got to get storage on the Gmail account,
but the Gmail account is out there and it's not happening without getting that kind of light,
but you will but you will if you start directing our active committees, what
makes folks think that they can't directly to the Gmail it is in people who are on the executive is not saying it. I just heard that and or one of us got something that's specifically directed to transportation would say hey, Jemaine, this to me. This may be something you want to look at.
I don't miss it. I don't I'm not opposed to it. I'm just saying I'm just I'm just giving you what could happen
I guess at something I'm not too sure the demand there,
but But it should be your best practices
No, no, even with Currently we've got access for the public the question is, whether we put whether we put transportation whether we put Community Council certainly we're getting drum up anymore,
as this says that those can be credit doesn't say we have to create any of them, right? But if someone says like, Hey, I would like to set this up so we can be more automated in the receipt of particular communications to know to help direct them in a certain way that we can do that. We don't have to do any of this stuff. Right?
Just just you say let me do it the other way. We could, I mean, we're sitting here with all these infinite options. And we're trying to figure out which three of us thought might be the best path forward.
So please bear and I hear you with that. But I have since in my recommendation, I don't see that here to be very fair. I've been
the answer to that right. Now, if we get an open records request, we have started looking at multiple email boxes right now we got to look to see there may be an email going on transportation go this I mean, theoretically, because even though things are getting property is if you send some outright emails, I get copied over into the general email or something out right. No, see, so there now becomes that gap. We were trying to figure out how to keep everything in one box. we ever did an audit or ask the director because we had one primary but it would require increasing storage. But But there's always a place for him to manage it. Figure out what's the least burden of management
in one place? Because if I have it set up where the emails are forwarded to my personal email, and as Kyle said, I can maybe send him a quick reply. From my personal email. I should not be sending a quick reply from my personal email. All correspondence regarding this board should be sent using official emails but as I understand how they can be received, maybe and forwarded there as an option, but in terms of corresponding back and forth, I don't understand where the personal email comes in is
this SOP. And so therefore, we try to define the standard operating procedure for how we put it now we can't control what you do. Now if you send it out and you forget to do the best on you. But there is a policy in place that says that what you shouldn't be doing. So there's so that's what we're going over right now is the conversation on what direction we want to go in it. Take what you're saying and take that into consideration. In a path
or it could be other addresses make your alias they still go on the main Ah, but then based on some rules you can create for any room and you can create you can push them in folder subfolder just for they're organized. There's so you can have more than just it was one and I don't want us to still go into the same color. But then let's do
it. So that is a completely different one but
it's a board that we were one of the only places reputed has an email so
the individual members do not have special email address.
Okay. Step three. That's I emailed Kay based on her her a PABX contact information
ability see what happens so worth watching I'm gonna make sure so permission hold Gmail, so therefore, I'm gonna change that. But I used to ACM public safety
for all purposes, on which you I have my stuff set up to potentially email so my vitamins right? I have what I need to know to appropriately get it out to
dreams, but I don't know when I could because but I do not use
to that email. He's responding. I don't see that here. So does it automatically put out hogging resources that's it three
weeks you were
fashion correspondent Secretary being basically do the conversation for a reason. So yeah. For lack of a better term. A better term.
When we think about the bylaws and what positions exactly we can figure it exactly sort of how this stuff work because we don't have a webmaster position. I don't think we should elect a webmaster right. But thinking about what these roles are, who the people are, and that that's part of their job, right is to help manage this sort of workflow, but I don't think we want everybody getting access to everything, but we can set it up so that the people who need it can get it, but we still have that repository. So in case a PAP does get a request, we can say everything that's come in a PAP is in this box, and we can access it and share it. And if folks have done what they needed to do, they can also get it back into the bylaws
vital role. So let's you should use as your recommendation that being be our web, so it's something that you all discussed now. Like I told you, we don't have a lot of money in the treasury right.
But you're willing to
go to me and say we need to I want to allocate you know, select for me see about how much of for this video. I hope we
can get this done. Also when we're talking about the webmaster function as far as keeping his website updates, they'll stay in the sales function. Right The only thing technically, the city should pay me for sue that is just hosting, which is you know, I think I charge like $120 a year for the hosting account. would include the email address in the website.
But but as far as like when there needs to be updates, or is that just a function of AIPAC, which of course, a part of so it's not like I'm trying to charge this early. Oh.
I think I suggested that, that go through committee on a path report.
So and I think I asked you all to come back to me with a figure because there's a lot of work and we don't want to I don't know, I'm trying to work on that. But yeah, human is driving me downstairs. So it's a lot of work. We cannot officially a you. I know it's worked, but we can't allocate you know, but if I get a figure from you all as to where
we are there may be with any update the Gmail to the business class and then do some stuff. There's a small monthly charge for some of that which we kind of roll by
some. And email account and I think a lot of that was was stuff that happened before I took on as president. Some I have stopped to note don't send this to us. Some seem to have been important that a point but I'm not sure whether it's important now. It does need to be cleaned up. We're getting a lot of Twitter information from different PTO even the past pass meter sends us a lot of stuff on Twitter and bother. Yeah, so you know when they put something in their Twitter account with their own account, so it automatically comes to us and you so you're constantly cleaning out stuff that may or may not have any real impact on a pap smear folks on
Instagram I go to like Twitter.
And some of that is probably just set up just notification on Instagram. You turn that off and we stopped sending those over the stuff that we could we didn't even get himself on social media managers and social media
profiles Max meeting.
You all need to keep anything here. So trying to figure out we have to have this $4,600 matter the financial secretary, the fiscal agent called me and she said that our records were different from hers. She says she showed 4600 Debian 800 in the year. So I'm going to have to revamp revamp the web hosting for you because basically what we always have to do is put her in our credit card and they requested and I think we've missed putting in there that are reimbursed. So but we do have to have that I've been told we got to have that $4,600 spent by the end of the year because that means we've actually kept it open now for over two years, so that we can request additional grant monies
from us. Some of us
the videotape happened just the website. Yes, probably the only one we're going to be spending money on but this year, then, as the other committees come up with things where next year
what will you know the other thing that out of that committee that we're formulating is the welcome packet. And so there may be some hardcopy printing of that as well, which may incur costs as well. So we've never went through the goals I did
get a chance to go through those. But when they are all lot of things that she'd like to see happen on this list, and this and this. Barbara Lee said over tomorrow, some recommendations so people are going to try to do this. And the ones that we already have seem to get sharp, and then work on prioritizing wouldn't be the same way to get to know the website, email addresses and stuff. That's top on the list. We did not decide what the Game Awards situation was so December, January. And that was this year. Well, we would have we would have paid the caterers and order bags and stuff,
because this would already be on the invoices.
So anything that you can think of after you look at the list of things that Maura was recommending, if you see anything there that you think should be priority, please just let us know so that we can put that kind of prioritized list
Well, one of the things that we're trying to do is get this thing before the body so that we can get it to completion. And it'll be for the New Year happened. We were actually actually even thinking about this month I'm happy to wait as well. I mean, I'm
not sure to attach the draft of it to the emails that she sent out to everybody about today's meeting. I didn't print it out yet or anything like that because you know, you all know I'm still working on it. But when is the point where you ready for Well, my question to him is this for Saturday's meeting, is that draft the draft you want to compete for?
You know what? If you're okay with this, let's present it to the body. Okay, so let's get feedback and then wrap it up in September sure what
this this this this
Barbers recommendation, as
these are these are just barbers
recommendation. Yes. Oh, yes, Glory edition.
I presented it last month to the bar to the body and asked for feedback at that point in time. She was the only person actually she was not the only person that I heard from she suggested these and sent them to me and that's really what I sculpted this around. The only thing that I did not get to was she requested a base list. And I did not have that at that point in time. The other recommendation was from Eric tumor and that was to align the welcome packet materials with NP university so I told Mr. tumor that I would ask TCP to if we could work on aligning those two. And so that is my request to you to take
the calculation of all of the input but this is exclusive to soccer.
encouragingly, guys because that is the wisdom like barber and Eric has been around longer than anybody else I know.
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I mean, it's literally ready to go. It's ready to go. It was ready to present here. When When do you think you
will get it?
What do you all think you have this ready for us to present to the general body?
It's ready now. It's ready. No, I'm not done. Sorry.
Oh, email and website, website and stuff.
I don't necessarily even know that it needs to go to the gym. Nobody
would know I don't necessarily but to let them know. I mean, just to be able to, to inform them gives them a definitive visual. I told them that we were looking to do particularly that information on the website
because it's a living breathing argument as well. So I can go from here to here. And
also, if, if we're able to make definitive ever give them information Saturday, about the website, we also want to be able to tell them how to go about submitting information on any events or anything that's happening in their EMP use that they may want to submit to a bank to put on a fence.
Yeah, I'm not sure that that's where we're taking the website just yet because there's there's a bunch of other stuff but I think the stuff that's outlined for the welcome packet is this sort of information we're looking at on the website. So I think having those conversations simultaneously because anytime you put it in the list of NP representatives is going to change you know, whatever. So we want to make sure that the website has that capacity built to do it. So I think we can do this do two things in tandem
so pretty much on our website is going to be informative. Rather than interactive with the various AP news with information that they can submit to
me. I think most people aren't looking to website these days to get that sort of information. Like I think for the routine. Yes, every month something something happens but if my employer is doing something special, it's going to be social media email. Some other communication not go to a website that I don't typically go to justify that kind of information. But we could survey people and find out if there's a better way to do it. But I would imagine an email newsletter or something else is a better way.
Social media is up and running, then that would be ideal for that kind of thing. But I know that there are going to be some in the US that are going to want to know kidstuff be put on leader of AIPAC website about events and things like that. So we just need definitive information as to what to Delta. I know that's a lot of work back in 2015 for that, that's a lot of work. So guess what I'm saying?
So ours is
going to be generally an information website.
I mean, I think it'll be pertinent to what a PABX is doing not a repository for infused a punch a bunch of other stuff on we can find some other communication channels that do that, but I don't think a website is going to be the place where we should be able to we should be doing
this was thinking would they be able to say send in the information that we just put a link or will we have a category there that says upcoming NPU events and then just have the links or anything
like that so we won't be doing I wouldn't think so. I mean,
it'd be dashboard as basic information I already
know, I'm just asking Which way do we want to go with us? So
when we may think for now, no, I think if if that's the need or if to help implement these best practices and certain views don't have the capacity to do their own web stuff. And we want to take it upon a path to help fill the gap or we do in partnership with DCP I don't know. But for now, I definitely want to jump to we can't even we haven't even gotten what we need to get up on the website and we don't want to be opening up the doors to say everybody so that stuff, we're gonna also keep your stuff up.
So we can tell them you know, just in case somebody's gonna ask so we just need to know exactly what to tell them
until we have our own committee information up there and event information. Let's not commit to do anybody else's
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informational website. Okay. All right. We have mentioned supposed to be I'm sorry, we didn't get a chance to go through the entire agenda, but I think we got to most of the stuff that was key today. All right, so we're gonna hear from you all about whatever it is. You want us to disseminate around the website are not the same thing. If you're not reading the news, let me know. And is there anything else? Anything else nevermind. I'm sorry. additional feedback. Please reach out for the best practices. Obviously material to the conference. Tomorrow evening. You're optimistic started with you in this case? Call. This way Okay, thanks. So much. Thank you. So in theory, full f5 actually works saying all the time you ever come to your residence