February 20, 2025 AZBSN Digital Access Task Force Recording

8:59PM Feb 20, 2025

Speakers:

Steve Peters

Mark Goldstein

Erin Lorandos

Andy Ridley

Mala Muralidharan

Marilyn Anderson

Dario Solis

Kelly Krusee

Kelly Mukherjee

Mallory DeVol

Paul Wagner

Jared Bodine

Ed Hackett

Michael Kendall

Eric Heiser

Jerry Crow

Josie Milliken

Keywords:

Digital Inclusion

Digital Equity

Broadband Office

BEAD applications

Digital Equity sub grants

Arizona Community College Coordinating Council

Hot Spot Lending Program

E-Rate

USF funding

Digital Literacy

Cyber Security

Telemedicine

Semiconductor Manufacturing

Intel

TSMC.

It's okay, okay, let's go ahead and get started here. Okay, so let's go ahead and get started this morning. Sure we'll have some other people join us. I was just commenting that Angela, who was supposed to be here, Angela Cruz, with the U of A, was planning to be here this morning, and got a note from her that she, like many people, has a creeping crud, and so she will not be here this morning, tentatively, she will be here next week. Well, but we have a couple other things to talk about this morning, and so let's go ahead and get started. And

don't see him yet either at this point. Steve, so I'm sorry. Can you mute Jason, please. Can you mute him? Yep. Thanks, Jason. Sir,

okay,

there we go. So in light of Angela not being here, we're going to make a few changes to the agenda. And let's start with our Well, who do we have that's new this morning? Anybody i

Hey, Steve Eric Heiser, representing Arizona association community colleges, President, CEO of Coconino Community College.

Okay, yeah, so excuse me, just a second. Here. You better.

There we go.

So So Eric, I don't know if David's going to be here this morning or not, but if you would take a few minutes a little later on the agenda and just talk a little bit about the Arizona Community College Coordinating College, coordinating organization, and then I'm going to actually schedule maybe both of you for a future meeting where we can have some real open discussion and dialog about how we can collaborate with you guys.

You bet I don't think David's going to be here this morning. We're as as many folks are neck deep in legislative funds. So I think that's where he is this morning. Okay.

Well, why don't we do this? David, while we're just while we're talking. Can you just give a two minute, five minute about the Arizona Community College Coordinating Council?

Sure. So the Arizona Community College Coordinating Council, we the reason we call it AC four is because we don't like to take five minutes to to say that name, but we are essentially, it's, it's all there. There are 10 community college districts in the state of Arizona, and AC four is made up of all 10 of those districts. So essentially, you've got Maricopa and Pima, the two big urbans, and then the other eight of us. Even though we vary in size, we are all considered the quote, unquote rurals, just because when you're especially when anyone is compared to Maricopa, you look relatively small. But same, same situation with Pima there. So the group actually meets monthly. We actually met yesterday we were in Phoenix for some academic honors celebrations for our students. And usually it's, it's just a both an issues of the day group, so that, you know, we can coordinate on behalf of the colleges. I would note that the AC four is not any type of regulatory body or any body that speaks for all of the community colleges. We usually do try and present a united voice, but every each of the 10 districts are all governed by independently elected governing boards. So while we do have this, this group of the Coordinating Council, really, it's each Community Colleges District Governing Board that determines the the direction, obviously, and then those boards delegate their authority to each of the presidents and CEOs within their within their district. So yeah, it's like I said, we we see each other, that the 10 CEOs see each other very regularly, especially this time of year, while the legislature is in session. And it's really just about how we can make our community colleges better collectively, but also even. Singularly as it relates to higher education, and specifically community colleges in the state of Arizona. So happy to answer any questions or anything like that, but yeah, that's, that's kind of a little diddy about what we do.

Sounds great. Any questions for Eric. So I had, I had a great conversation with David yesterday, I think, or the day before, and excuse me. And part of my discussion with him was, of course, which I think we all know is that anchor institutions are going to be very important as we move ahead with Digital Inclusion. And so he was not really familiar with a lot of what's happening with the in the broadband space and the Digital Equity space at this point in time. So he and I talked about how we might be able to work collaboratively together. Those of you, many of you, have heard me talk many times that I really think that the community colleges need to develop a strategic Digital Inclusion plan, while many of them are doing great work, doing bits and pieces here, but may or may not have a clear strategic plan for Digital Equity. So So anyway, we're going to have a future discussion with with, hopefully with Eric and David at a future meeting to talk more about how we can collaborate with them. So with that,

I'm sorry it was you bet looking forward

to it. So sounds good. Well, thanks for being here this morning. So moving on. Just a reminder for those of you who may have missed it a couple of weeks ago, but our dear friend Paul Ross. Paul Are you on this morning? Don't think he's here today, but our dear friend Paul Ross did a really amazing video highlighting what's happening here in here in Arizona, and also about AZ BSM. So if you haven't seen it, the links to that video are in my email, and really encourage you to take a look at it. And I'm sure he will be more than happy for you to use it any way that you think would be helpful. So with that, moving on. So Erin and Kelly, you guys want to give us the latest updates on the broadband office, please.

Sure thing. I'm actually not sure if Kelly's with us. If she is, I just can't see you. Sorry. Hi Kelly, but my name is Erin Lorandos, and I'm the Digital Equity program manager in the state broadband office, and we sit in ACA a few updates for you all this morning, we are still in the midst of accepting round one bead applications. This is, you know, primarily for internet service providers and local and tribal governments to be concerned about. Those applications are due on March 7, and I'll be dropping links here momentarily, but everything is linked straight from our our main website, because we're in open procurement for that side of things, we do have to be super careful. You know that we're sharing all of the same information with all of the same people. So we do ask that if there are any questions related to that sub grant process that you email the broadband inbox, which is broadband at AZ commerce com, um, and then we can track everything and keep track of questions. Oh, Hi, Kelly, yay. I've got a whole list of links all hyped up and ready to go, so I'll save you the effort of putting everything in I'm saying, and then the other update is that we are moving forward with our Digital Equity sub grants. This is a big deal because most of the the goals and objectives that we've laid out in the Digital Equity plan will be available for sub grants. So the you know, organizations across the state that are already doing this amazing work, or would like to get into some of these activities, we'll have that opportunity, and the information will be shared on our website by the end of the month, and the actual applications won't be accepted until May 1 through June 30. We want to make sure that folks have the opportunity to review the application and, you know, think through anything, get approvals if they need before those applications are due, we will be hosting two webinars or round tables for interested applicants in that sub grant process, one in March and one in April, so that folks can come and hear about the goals and objectives that will be available for the sub grants. Ask any questions, go over the application process, etc, and then just last but not least, if you're not. Receiving our emails, and you'd like to we do have a link on our website to sign up for those emails, and then you'll get all of this as soon as it's available. So here's my version of everything that Kelly just put in the chat. Sorry about that, but happy to answer any questions or Kelly, if I missed anything, please feel free to

jump No, as usual, Erin is prepared and organized and on the ball. I'll just add if, if you are not receiving our communications, we had something go out earlier this week. I believe we sent something Monday. But if you are not receiving our communications, you could just put your email here in the chat and just tag me, tag Kelly, or say, for broadband, and I will collect it from the chat and add it to our systems. And that is a constant work in progress, our communications and our lists to make sure that we are, you know, gathering everybody that the addresses are are accurate. I'm in that list every day trying to update it. So if there are problems or you have questions, let us know, and again, put your email in the chat if you aren't receiving anything and you want to be included on that list. But thanks. And my name, just so you know, is Kelly. I work with Erin, and I am at the state broadband office, so doing a lot of work for bead and for Digital Equity and trying to get the message out. But thanks Steve for having us this morning,

you bet. And so just again, a reminder from that Kelly was saying is to be sure you get on their list. And I also try to forward when I receive information from them, but I try to forward it out to our list also. So any questions for Erin or Kelly, going once, going twice. So I don't believe Nicole R Mala is here this morning. Michael Kendall, I'm sorry I'm here. Steve, oh, there you are. I didn't see you on the on the list there. Mala,

I'm hiding, huh?

You're hiding in plain. Sigh, yeah. So anything you want to tell us about

very quickly, just just watching the same things, the hot spot, you know, lending program, and how it's shaping up, you know, there's been lots of you know murmurs up in Washington DC about the about having the hot spots as a part of E Rate, or picking it off the table, because, again, as I mentioned before, hot spots means E Rate is being extended to home, and E Rate was a program set up to the the anchor institution, schools and libraries. So that's what we're keeping a watch for, or look out to see what's happening. Already, there have been more than 1000 applications that have been, you know, submitted for this year that is 2025 20 6e Rate for hot spots. And of those, surprisingly, 35% of them are libraries. Earlier there was, you know, less than 10% that were libraries. And last year for because, of course, we had the ECF as well, but this year, there are a lot of libraries that are applying for hot spots, so we just have to wait and watch to see whether that is going to be a part of E Rate of it is not. Then we have to figure out another way of lending hot spots to our patrons, because they do, do, do need it. The other thing that we are watching is the USF funding. There are two issues there. One is whether the whether USF itself is legitimate, and that hearing is going to take place at the Supreme Courts this March, and the decision by June. The second factor is the contribution factor. And as I mentioned in several meetings before that, the contribution factor is now at a 30 at 36 and it's likely like to go up to 38% for the next quarter. That's those are the estimates that are being run. And this, this is going to have a lot of impact if it is not, if the contribution is not distributed. So there's going to be a lot of impact, lot of subscribers who are in danger of losing discounted phone and internet and a lot of people who not only in the E Rate program, but in the high cost the rural health programs will all be affected. So so in order to raise the elevate this up to the top, there are several. Organizations that are doing fly ins early March and February. Sorry, March and April. March. COSLA, which is a group of state librarians, they will be visiting and raising the profile of this among the Senate staff, the House staff. Mid March, April, we are going to have Shelby go in. They're doing a fly in day. There are other organizations also doing fly ins. As I get the information, I will send it to Steve. You can post it. So if anyone is interested in joining the group, of course you have to pay for it yourself, or your organization has to support you to go. But these will there. There will be talking points, flyers that you will get so you're not going to be in the dark. What do I say to Who do I say it block. So if you are interested in in being a part of this, please let let me know. I will put you in touch with whoever is heading the groups that are going to Washington, DC. Back to you, Steve, unless there are any questions.

So So Mala, two things. One is that, excuse me, you Shelby. First walking tell the people what Shelby is. And secondly, that there's a new sheriff on the block and a new executive director for Shelby

not yet to answer your second question first, and Shelby is schools, health, libraries, broadband coalition, and it's a national body that isn't that's advocacy, but at the same time they they discuss challenges and issues that we can, you know, bring the surface to the top so that it can be taken care of in some way, shape or form.

Just got an email this morning from broadband breakfast that they have made the new executive director for Shelby.

Oh, I haven't seen that yet. You are ahead of me. Okay.

Any any questions for Mala so I just want to share a couple of things, and this is strictly my perspective. Although Mala you and and Mallory, I see malaria online. Keep me honest if I'm mistaken. But we now have a new chair of the FCC. We have a new director of USDA. We have a new administrator for NTIA, and so we've got lot and then there's Senator cruises committee that's been meeting. And so we have a lot of things in the air right now that impact the work we're doing. At least my perspective is, my opinion, is that it doesn't look like bead is in risk at this point, although anything can happen, but it looks like there's some movement to want to make some modifications to bead, whether that'll happen or not. And again, I'm just sharing my perspective. And then secondly, I think Digital Inclusion or Digital Equity is will may be at risk that money is still in play. In my opinion, who knows what's going to happen? Washington is changing and going crazy at this point in time. So anyway, those are just some of my thoughts. And again, Mala our Mallory, if you guys want to keep me honest about that, but that's my perspective.

I think you're right. We gotta wait on once again. Yeah, yeah.

I think, I mean, you're as right as anybody at this point.

Yeah, we're still at the what do we know? What do we think we know, and what don't we know? Stage, it probably will be for for quite a while now,

and I want to add, what do we want to know?

So anyway, that's just my take of things. So moving on, a couple of things. So again, our our speaker this morning, Angela, won't be here today. She will probably be on the agenda next week, assuming she's feeling better. And actually, it probably works out just as well, because one of the people she works with is Barney McCabe, who has been a regular attendee in our in our meetings. He is out of out of the country, actually, I believe today. And so it might be perfect that he and Angela can be here next week. So anyway, moving on. So I promised Marilyn Anderson, I believe you're on. And I promised Marilyn, I have been promising her. And I have a good memory, just a little short, but I wanted Marilyn to introduce herself and to talk a little bit. She's with the Arizona Department of Education also. And so Marilyn, you want to tell us about who you are, what you do, and thanks for being here pretty regularly.

Well, thank you. I appreciate you know I'm here to get updates and learn. So I always appreciate this meeting. My name is Marilyn MUMA Anderson, and I'm the Director of Teaching and Learning for adult education services with the Arizona Department of Education. So we primarily support students 16 and over, who are not in the K 12 system, those who are primarily looking to gain literacy skills, English language skills, acquire their high school equivalency diploma. We have three ways. We oversee three ways that students can get their high school equivalency diploma. The most popular way is through the GED pathway. That's probably what people are most familiar with, but they're actually three pathways. Here in Arizona, we also support students with something called integrated in education and training services, or i, e, t, s, I like to think of them specifically for people who may be more familiar with K 12 system. They're similar to C, T, E programming, but specifically for adults, where it provides that kind of in a way to earn an industry recognized credential and connect employers and to employees with dream job training opportunities, as well as supporting students into post secondary. So we're that kind of in between where maybe a student has space out of the K 12 system or didn't complete and isn't ready to enter in, May, say, a college system or into our career, or maybe they want to upskill themselves in a career pathway. So that's that is primarily who we serve. I'll put in our website because it has a lot more information about kind of what we do. I focus specifically on the teaching and learning side. So, you know, it's hard to talk about workplace skills without talking about the importance of digital literacy skills as a part of that. And it's a huge we work out of wi away workplace Innovation and Opportunity Act that was came out, I think, in 2014 and so we we send out funds to we have 21 state providers at this point who applied through grant funding. So we work with with providers all over the state, and we support in helping those programs, in working with their students. There's probably other questions I could answer. I don't know if someone would like to know. Steve,

any questions for Marilyn, I take that to be a no. So while we're talking about Department of Education, Michael, do you have anything new that you want to add?

Yes, good morning. How's my audio? Good, good, good. Now my camera is kind of coming off and on, so apologies for that. Last week or so, it's been fairly quiet for us. We did receive one new. Excuse

me, Michael, could you just introduce yourself quickly so people

certainly. Michael Kendall, I am with the Arizona Department of Education, and I help to manage the broadband and infrastructure projects. Primarily our focus is in this Erin. Our group is for special construction that is, that is where our focus is and, and this past week has been fairly quiet. We did receive one new funding request for Maricopa, Unified School District, and, and that's really about all the updates I have for this week. It's again, fairly quiet here tonight.

Thank you, Michael, you're welcome. Any other any questions for Michael, going Weiss Going once, going twice, if not so I want to first of all, does anybody have anything that they want to announce or share?

Yeah, so I threw something in the chat real quick. There's a link. I'll get you a better link. I'm sorry I took it out of email. And of course, the email filter said, no, no, we're gonna protect you. So I'll get you that. But they just got a new story yesterday with Chandler, Unified School District. So our Arizona cyber security clinic, it's we're partnering with them to develop it within a high school. They're the first high school in the nation to offer a cyber security clinic within that so high school students are working with the district to be able to provide like risk assessments, security awareness training to district personnel and work with their groups and then. Then next year, they're going to start bringing it out to the community. So we have these in southern Arizona, Maricopa County, and we're looking to expand that out from there. So I'll throw this next link in there, and if anybody's interested, they're also doing a ribbon cutting event that's on March 25 so I'll put my contact information if that's something you're interested in attending.

Sounds great. Thanks, Paul. Any other announcements today? We're gonna have a looks like we'll probably have a fairly sharp meeting today, but I would like to, if anybody, if nobody else, has any other announcements, I would like to pick up on what we did last week, and having three or four or five people do kind of an extended introduction of who they are and what they're doing, and then we'll just give you some time back this morning. So anybody want to share you know more we've just had Marilyn. Anybody else want to talk about who they are, what they do. Andy Ridley, you want to give us a kind of a update, you please?

I'd love to, I'd like to make a little announcement, so submit. I'm going to my notes here so I can say it right when learning has just been awarded a the Academic Skills course where and my work ready, both awarded and recognized by tech and learning awards of excellence, best of 2024 Other winners among these would be companies like Bloomberg, Samsung, zoom, Rosetta Stone Canvas. So I just thought that was an accolade I'd like to tout.

Cool So Andy, you want to just tell people a little bit about what when, when learning is, and, you know, yeah,

yeah, when learning is is related to this particular audience. The the key to what we do is we're the provider for the courseware and assessment that awards the earner of the Completer of that assessment, successful Completer of that assessment, the National Work Readiness credential in digital skills. There are other skills assessments that we're recognized for also, and that's like the one we just won for our courseware and academic skills, and another one that's highly touted is our soft skills. But for this particular audience, the key here would be the potential for including our courseware and that outcome of the National Work Readiness credential in your bids for for grants. So I'm putting in the chat some information regarding that award that we just got, and also our website and my my email address, okay, but I'm the reason for Arizona. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to do both of those things at once. I'm the regional representative for Arizona and other surrounding states, and formally part of the government, and thankfully, now out of that realm, after many decades in in education and workforce, government offices, most recently the Office of Economic Opportunity. And now you know, working for the private company in workforce and supporting Digital Equity and skills in this sense, and so, yeah, so I'm your contact person if you want more information, white papers and others that you can include with your applications for grants, for sub grants.

Great thanks. Andy, any questions for Andy. So Kelly Mukherjee, you want to tell us about what's going on you put some information in the chat.

We'd love to Thanks, Steve. Hi everyone. Kelly muggerjee from ASU enterprise technology, I support CIO love gonik In our broadband and Digital Inclusion efforts in the past couple of years. Well, we were funded by Maricopa County. Let me start that way. And the past couple of years, we launched a web portal called as one if. You're not familiar with it. Happy. Steve, can I share my screen to give people a visual? Stop sharing. Thank you. So happy to kind of give you a visual. If you haven't been to as one, I can drop a link. It's AZ dash one, dot info, and really it's a curated site of all different resources of broadband and Digital Inclusion. So if you don't see yourself here, please reach out to me. We would love to add your resources also. It includes the state library's resources and many more. Here are just some sampling of logos of partners that we continue to grow out each week. So it's really Steve, I have to give you a lot of credit. AZ BSN has been a wonderful way for us to network and get to know more people. We also have broadband maps. So we have an Arizona Broadband Map, slightly different than the ACA is Broadband Map, by the way, this one has different layers that you can turn on and off. ACA is more focused on bead planning. And this one is open for broadband infrastructure planning as well as digital literacy. And so we have added in some new layers, like Purdue University's indices. Pima County set a great example, and they they started using the indices. So we've added it in for all of Arizona. Maricopa County has been very generous to not only limit the broadband maps to Maricopa County, but we've expanded it out for the whole state. Happy to walk anyone through the layers if you need help digging for what you're looking for. And then we also have a community stories hub, where I'm we we have student storytellers that are happy to come out to your community or interview you over zoom. We're hoping to really expand the number of pins you see here on the Arizona map to really fill up Arizona with wonderful community impact stories happening across the state. So if you would like your story told, please feel free to reach out to me. We would love to tell your story as well. Thanks, Steve and happy to take questions too.

Hey, Kelly, put your own email in the in the chat too. Would you

Sure? Let's meet, let's talk. Would love to connect with all of you. Oh, and also, what I also dropped in the chat is that our storytelling team just won an award. We are finalists for ES storytelling competition this year. We would love to become storytellers of the year. So please vote for us. We are putting together a social media post to help people spread the word more widely. But if you can vote for now, we would love your vote. Thank you so much.

Okay, thanks. Kelly, so Ed Hacket, can I put you on the spot to just give us a quickie update on what's happening with you. Tucson Fire Department, telemedicine project,

sure.

Let me get my camera on here. Alright, we're celebrating rodeo. Oh, that's right. A week today down here in Tucson, not really a whole lot new. We've been moving along just kind of refining the system, eliminating some looking for so let me back up for those who don't know we through our 911 system, have adopted a a new Pro or started a new program, relatively new to us anyway, where we are based on the 911 questions answered, deferring People to a medical resource online rather than doing a 911 response with a fire truck and emergency medical personnel in the cases where that's appropriate. Yeah, and it's been good because it's doing two things. It's taking a load off of our 911 response system, while at the same time, it's getting people to the right medical resource. There are a lot of people who have medical issues where they don't need to go to the emergency room. They need a different level of care, and this is helping make that connection in a more efficient manner for everyone. So we've partnered with a company called MD ally, and they're basically have Doctor tele doctors, telephone accessible medical professionals on the line, and they can provide either medical advice, assistance, referrals, that sort of thing, to. Get the folks who don't need that emergency response a connection to the resources they actually do need. So that's been working out really well for us. It takes some calls off the trucks and it gets help to those folks. We've expanded it in the last few months from a business week hours to 24/7 365, hours. And it just this past week went live with another agency in our area. So it's, you know, slowly expanding to kind of fill out the that space throughout the 911, system here in southern Arizona. So that's it, in a nutshell. We've just been refining the questions and the process to make it work even better.

So, Ed, I think we've asked, I've asked you this before, but can you just talk about where the funding came from for this project?

So this, the funding for this is mostly, you know, there's no funding on our side. The group that is providing the medical care has the access to either bill insurance or Medicare, Medicare when appropriate. So that's, that's where the funding comes from, is it's a billing source for them.

Okay, great. Thanks. Any questions for Ed, another great, innovative program here in Arizona. Always glad to hear that. Speaking of innovative programs, Jared, I'm glad to see you're back again, and I know you just presented not too long ago, but you just have such a great project going on in providing Internet that I'd love for you to just to do a quickie reminder for people.

Yeah, I'll keep it real short. So in working with T Mobile, we're able to get home internet to people without any credit checks without any eligibility requirements. It's a flat rate of $35 a month, and that is without any other strings attached. There's no long term contracts, no commitments. The only thing we ask is because we own these devices, and these devices cost us quite a bit to invest upfront, we have a $50 one time refundable security deposit. And as long as you're on the program, it's just 35 a month, no data caps, no limits, no monitoring. It's just high speed home internet anywhere you have a T Mobile signal. And at any point, if you feel like you're done with the program, return the device back, get your $50 back, and move on to whatever else you'd like to do.

And if I'm not mistaken, Jared that it is available to anybody in the state.

Yes, we we're not only within Mesa, that's correct. So we can mail these to you anywhere you want and in the States. And in fact, if you're a person that travels, you could get one of these and keep them in your keep them in your bag and set it up in your hotel room. This works, actually, nationwide.

That's really awesome, particularly in today's world. That's great to have that kind of a project going on. And it's not, I'm sorry, go ahead, I was gonna

say it's also not tied into any government funding, so we're not worried about what's gonna happen with future approvals and grants. This program is not connected to that, so it's stable. It's not going anywhere based on anything going on in Washington.

That's awesome. Okay, you put your information in the chat,

yeah, I'll put a link to our page that talks about the internet lending program. Thank you for suggesting that. Thank you. I

also have his link and information in my newsletter. Okay, so moving on, Dario, we haven't heard from you in a while. I assume you're back from Panama.

I am. I am back and just trying to catch up with everything is happening everywhere, but yeah, yeah, exciting, exciting opportunities and so happy to share when we have a chance. But mostly talent. We received 16 applications for Fall 2025 and receiving more and trying to craft a summer semiconductor manufacturing camp for undergraduate students. So anyhow, very busy trying to do that, but and also doing everything else. So happy to be here, participate in this great meeting

and semiconductor training program is really important,

absolutely. And the thing is that, you know, it used to be that you could have people that did that, and then everybody else could do something else, but these micro electronic systems are so pervasive in everything we do that not being aware of what they do, how you can learn more about those technologies, is not an option anymore. So, so there. Say, increasing interest, and not only from from academic institutions and students, but also from the private sector and the communities. And of course, we're trying to adjust the strategy based on new and new revisions that the new administration is doing. So, you know, we're just responding as we can to all the interests that we are receiving from from partners, both nationally and internationally.

So Dario, can you just remind people who you are? Please? Yes. Dario

Solis, business engagement catalyst at the Fulton School of Engineering. It's going to be almost seven years since I got here to ASU, and my role is mostly industry engagement, but sometimes it deviates a little bit depending on on what organization we are working with. Also pay attention to federally funded projects, from the industry engagement side and and topically, in the areas, of course, engineering, but most more particularly on the Advanced Manufacturing of, say, micro network electronics and all the applications, autonomous vehicles, communications and other areas as well. So anyhow, I'm here always as a resource if you need any help, and I came here with Kelly. Kelly's doing a fantastic job. So, but anything you want to do with engineering, just let me

know. So, Dario, I don't know if you have any thoughts or comments about what's happening with Intel and Intel and TSMC, saw some info yesterday about Intel may turn over some of their manufacturing to TSMC that I read that correctly.

Well, I actually, I kind of manage my comments based on public information, because, of course, we are under NDA with both companies, so I, even if I knew more, you know, it would be difficult to say something. And these things are changing every day. So I basically every time somebody asks me, I just use public information. And you know, we'll see, we'll see things develop as the weeks go by. But, but we, of course, both are very great partners of ASU, and we are catering to improving the relationship, supporting them in everything they are doing, research, talent, etc, and we would be a partner for them, you know, in the years to come. So a very, very good relationship with both, and it's very kind of challenging times for everybody. So anyhow, that's all I can say. I'll try to be a bit diplomatic, of course.

So I guess Intel is kind of struggling at the moment and trying to figure out their their new game plan. Steve Mark, I was just going to ask you,

just to comment on that, yeah, there is a rumination that Intel might, in fact, be split into two parts, the design part and the manufacturing part, and that two companies, Broadcom and TSMC, are interested in those partial pieces of Intel, but it's all supposition you know happening behind the scenes about What, what, what we know, what we don't know.

Thanks, Mark. So Jerry Crow, I don't know if you have anything. I know you're sort of semi retired, but I know you're still pretty active in the cyber security space. Anything you want to share?

No, not really. I decided to get back to this meeting. There's so much valuable information that's that's comes out of this meeting I've been on for quite a while, but nothing, nothing particular. I just tracked the cyber security stuff. So thank you, Steve, and hello to all Mark included. So anyway,

oh, Jerry. Jerry goes back many, many years with us, with A, T, I C, and getting this or this group going and so forth. So we're glad to see you back, Jerry.

Well, thank you very much. Yeah, you and I go back a long way. So, I mean, we're talking 20 years here, easy, so probably some people on this? Well, that's not true. I was thinking there might be some young people on this meeting the morning, alive, when? When, when I first got into this, this enterprise. But that may not be true.

Thanks. Well, thanks, Jerry, yeah. So Josie, do you want to give us a quickie update who you are, what you're doing?

Sure. Thank you and thank you for inviting me to this meeting. My name is Josie Milliken, and I am a dean at Pima Community College, and Pima Community College is working to expand its digital literacy slash fluency efforts. We have a new chancellor. He's been there about six months. His name is Dr Jeff nassi. He comes from Broward College in Florida, where they do have a digital literacy slash fluency requirement. And he feels that we are behind and that there's much more we can do. We've done a lot of planning in the past, but we haven't really made an incredible amount of headway that we that we want to, and so I'm just here to listen and learn and gather information to see how Pima Community College can take a larger role in the work of digital literacy in Arizona.

So Josie, I'd love to have a conversation with you offline, and I did have a brief conversation, I shouldn't say a meeting, but a brief conversation with Jeff about specifically what you were just talking about. So I would love to share that conversation with you and and learn more about what the plans are.

That would be great. Maybe we can communicate through email and set something up. Sure, and

unfortunately, Angela isn't here today, but she also could be a very important person, and we're going to reconnecting her with what they off the Digital Inclusion office down here, but I think there's some real potential for synergy. I've actually had talked to her about that before I met you. So there you have it. Okay. Well, anybody else that want to share this morning? Going once. Mallory, do you have anything else you want to talk about what's happened at the federal level? I think we kind of talked about it, but anything more?

I don't think so. I mean, at this point, so much of it is still up in the air. You know, busy handling a lot of other requirements for broadband companies at the moment, so I'm probably not the most up to date. Okay,

thank you and Heather, do you want to again, introduce yourself and just tell people you are.

Heather whitmar, are you there?

Okay, well, if we don't have anything else that people want to share as you know, we do do kibitzing, although we're kind of doing that as we're going along here this morning, but we do do our kibbutzing with colleagues after this meeting. So I'm going to stop the recording, and anybody who chooses to stay online and kibbitz is welcome to do so, if not, hopefully, we'll see you all next week. Bye.