I was at United Way. And part of my responsibilities at United Way when I was there was managing the Emerging Leaders Affinity Group, which is their national under 40, young professionals, philanthropic network, and it was super fun. One of the favorite, my most favorite things I did in my career. And we did mixers, and quarterly, happy hours and events, a lot of events. And I would often rely on our advisory board for that group, who really oversaw emerging leaders with me to speak, to share their story, like why do you give, why are you a part of this group? Right? Pretty, pretty typical. And, and so there was this one gentleman who was a corporate executive at a really large banking, firm one that is a household name. And we'll call him Daniel. And Daniel was in HR. And he had an amazing story, he got up and shared that he got hired at this, this startup, this tech startup and help them they were booming. And he helped them to bring in 1000s of employees, okay, in HR. And then something terrible happened. And they had to lay off all of these employees within a very short time. And he was the one to have to lay off and let go of all these people that he had hired. And then they laid him off. And he really struggled. And then this was right in the time of 2008 2009. And then he struggled to find another job. And he shared publicly during this moment of public speaking in front of all of his peers, that he was homeless, that he ended up living in his car for months, that he had reached out to family, and they weren't able to help either, that he was showering at the YMCA, that he was going to the library to use the computer and struggling to find work. And that eventually he did. Right. And in this moment of him sharing this story, everyone was shocked. This was something someone who if you had met Daniel, you wouldn't have not ever thought that he had experienced homelessness. And at the time, we were raising money to end homelessness. And he was sharing his story. And for me, in that moment, I was like, you cannot judge anyone or make assumptions about any one, especially your donors. You You could look at someone you can know their background where they went to school, their experience where they work, you can research them, how much do they make, what do they give? Right? But, you know, people have so much more to them. And and I think a lot of times we assume that they agree with us or that they believe what we believe or that they've been through what we assume they've been through, you know, and you just don't know, I've just met so many people. And you just don't know, until you ask. And it was so brave of him to share his story. And it changed our entire group. And our group grew and we were able to double the number of donors that year. And I just think it was such a powerful, powerful vulnerability and in his story.