Oh, that was Jason. I was like, I thought, I thought Douglas was making a joke. Kind of himself, but yeah, or Jason, both of you, yes. So all of this being said now, now that we're at the almost at the top of the hour, I would love for you to put into the chat, or for someone to come off and let me know whether or not some of the conversations that we've just had, how are you going to use this conversation to help you develop programs that might encourage a little bit more of a free thinking type of exploration, or the next classroom that you have, or the next virtual call that you have. How are you going to use some of this? Did it help you? So I'm Betsy. Thank you for that. Using skits, games and interactive activities is helping us make required training more interesting. Well, yeah, there's that for sure. You know, people come into the class again thinking that something is going to be boring or Yuck, and then we're going to prove them wrong. So how are you going to is there a technique here that maybe triggered a thought for you that you're going to try out? Yeah, try to incorporate more icebreaker activities. And I wouldn't think of them as icebreaker activities. They're more of a here we're going to set the stage. This is what we're going to do, you know, type of activity. And I think the reason why, yeah, brain opener activities, yeah, there we go. Erica, yeah. I think a lot of times people shy away from activities, just not unlike when I asked you, don't go away. We're going to do breakout rooms. And as soon as I said that, like, I said, three people, boom, boom, boom. It's because they've had bad experiences with breakout activities, and they're like, I don't want to be any part of this, because every time I do it, it goes wrong, or it's boring or it has no purpose. And the key here is to keep reminding people that, yes, this has this is going to have meaning trust the process here we go, you know. And in the past, when I used to do breakout activities, people still fell away, but more people fell away than they do now, and I think it's because we've built trust, you know, in this group, and then so your job in your you know, when it comes to activity building, is to build trust that you're not going to be making them play musical chairs for the sake of musical chairs. Yeah, awesome. Okay, so we are at the top of the hour. Uh, here's what's coming up. Our next Coffee Chat on December the sixth is all about you. It usually is all about you, anyway, but more so now, because on the sixth, what we are going to be doing is we are going to be thinking creatively again about where 2025 is going to go with learning rebels. And so what I would like is for all of us to get together and we're going to have a discussion about what sort of challenges did you experience in 2024 that may overlap into 2025 that we can have conversations about that are going to help you. You know, so are you looking to have conversations coffee? Chat, conversations about a virtual training, about AI, about design thinking, about career building. What is it that is on your hot plate? As far as I need to do this in order to improve myself, because I, as always, I want to be sure that we're putting topics in front of you that are relevant, that are helpful, that are useful. And that's the whole purpose here, you know, not, and to build this community. Keep building this community, to have this warm place for you guys to have conversations with each other. It's a safe place. And I hope you guys, you know, have all seen that throughout the years. And this is we are going on our fourth year of doing this. And I think that, I think that we, we've, we've built something really special here in the four years that we had. And then so not so the next Coffee Chat is about, what are we going to do in 2025 the coffee chat after that is our annual holiday party. What? What? So we have our, our Christmas party, coming up with our gifts for the trainers that you love, or gifts for the people that you love. And so we will be doing that activity again. That's our fourth year of doing that particular activity, where we have our holiday party and we built a collaborative list of of interesting gifts, and we give each other ideas for, you know, the holidays. And I'm looking forward to that. Eggnog shots. Bring it. Yeah, for sure. Again, whatever's in your coffee cup, that's your secret. Although, during the holiday party doesn't have to be a secret. You can, you can bring your rum filled eggnog if you want to, and brag about it. All right. So thank you everybody for joining me once again on this learning rebels Coffee Chat. I'm Shannon Tipton, the owner of learning rebels. You can find me on LinkedIn and all the other places. If you have suggestions, you guys know how to get a hold of me, just send me an email, let me know, and these resources will be posted on the website where you can rehash this conversation along with the transcript and everything else. So I hope that you guys all have a wonderful Thanksgiving that is next week. I cannot believe it. So we won't see each other before Thanksgiving, but have a wonderful holiday. You know, be with people that you enjoy, people that you love, and surround yourself, you know, with kindness. That's my advice for you, and I look forward to seeing you next time you.