The Mission of Hispanics in Philanthropy and the Transformational Power of a $15 Million Gift from Mackenzie Scott - Ana Marie Argilagos

6:53PM May 13, 2021

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it's gonna be really fantastic. So I'm delighted to introduce everybody to Anna Marie are he loggos. She is the President and CEO of Hispanics and philanthropy. And if you haven't heard of them today, I hope today is just gonna illuminate you to this incredible organization. It's a network of foundations and philanthropists that is making impactful investments across the Latin x community in the US and across Latin America. Anna Marie has paved the way for this new area to democratize philanthropy, something that we feel really passionate about here as well. I love that they're bolding bold vision is really creating a new generation of philanthropy that is for buy and about the Latino community. So just impactful organization, so many layers that we want to impact impact today. But before doing this, Anna Marie came from the Ford Foundation. She's been at the US Department of Housing and Urban Development, HUD, and just some incredible organizations like Annie E, Casey Foundation, all those that we hear on NPR and we say thank you

to our celebrity lineup of foundations,

but she just has dedicated her life to just really lifting philanthropy and this conversation today is going to be one that I think is going to stop us all dead in our tracks. She currently lives in Washington DC with her husband, Roger and cat, Alfie, which we've we've not met yet. I hope we get to meet before the end of the show. But Anne Marie, thank you for being here.

I'm so honored. And I want to run and show this podcast to my mom. asking what is it that you do? And why don't you make it all sound so wonderful. So thank you for having me here. And for making my mama proud.

Hi, Anna Marie's, Mom, we're going to give you a little bit of space and shout out today. Thank you for raising such an amazing daughter.

What would you kind of fill our listeners in and us too, we'd love to hear your story. We're fascinated with how people end up in these really impactful roles. What talk us through, you know, what led you to the position you're in today?

That's a big question. Because I remember the day. It's when I was living in Miami. And it's when, you know, like, you know, this has been happening, what we're seeing now with George Ford. And that murder happened in the 1980s in Miami. And Liberty City went up in smoke. And I remember being in the rooftop of the Omni hotel, I was a cashier at the pharmacy in the hotel lobby and seeing the whole skyline of the city burning. And I'm like What is going on? I had been raised in a little enclave and little have an hour and but totally go you know, I'm half Cuban, half Puerto Rican. And so we weren't really we didn't have much, but we like we had a lot of love. And we had our little bubble. And I realized what was happening outside of my little bubble that day. And that forever, I will be working with social justice. So that fire I like to say that fire that I saw out on the horizon that came into me and I'm kind of fiery around social justice issues and it has been very urgent. Unfortunately, all of my life, hopefully for my daughter's life, it will be easier and we will get there. But for now it's been an urgent persistent struggle to get us to where we need to be.

Well, we join you in sort of we're sitting in this revolution of of feels like the veneer has been taken off of the plight of so many people who have been marginalized and we are leaning heavily into it on this sector because we understand, you know, the feelings of being other ized or being left behind anyone who's ever felt left out and we I for one I know us as a company. We are so proud to lean into this justice movement and I and I'm really curious about your journey. I'm just I'm picturing you on the roof of this. Hotel, how did that fire in your belly, lead you into HUD and lead you into all of these different corners leading to this incredible nonprofit that you're sitting in right now,

it wasn't easy, because you know, immigrant parents, they want you to be safe. And they wanted me to have a stable job and to be secure. So the obvious thing was to be a secretary. So my grandpa sent me to secretarial school. So I would learn to type. So that was a bad move, because I was a little rebellious and I purposely flunked out of secretaries. That would have been actually a really useful skill, because you know, you do need,

you're still working for the letter.

Finger typing, made my point that I wasn't going to go to secretarial school. So um, I started off at the community college, I mean, big plug for Community College. That's how a lot of our folks get started. And from there, I got myself scholarships into school, I studied something cryptic international relations, so that they wouldn't say what is, you know, they did say, What is that, but then, you know, of course, if you're not gonna be a secretary, then you should be a lawyer or a doctor. And I knew that wasn't for me either. But, um, I just happened to take an internship and it was at a place called IU that it's still here in Adams Morgan, in Washington, DC. And it was a legal clinic for immigrants doing everything from housing, to immigration to domestic violence. And that's where I mean, I went back, I was an intern there, I was a paralegal there, I was a deputy director there, I kept going back and, you know, for different jobs there. But that's really where I cut my teeth and community organizing. And actually, while I was there, we had another, we have the Adams Morgan riots here also because of police violence. That was when I had my daughter, she was just one. And we lived under curfew and tear gas in Washington, DC, for three weeks. But this has been something that has been happening for many years. But um, so I started with community organizing. And from there, I went to national organizations like only those of us, which used to be National Council of La Raza. And from there, I went to the Kennedy School, I went to Harvard, because I realized that a young woman is really hard for people to keep get heard. And I felt like I needed those credentials. And it was interesting, Harvard was a great experience. But they didn't teach us much in terms of community organizing, we were teaching them, but they taught us words of how to how to call what we were doing in a very sophisticated way on the ground, and be able to bridge and understanding that bridging and language and make some really important difference in terms of when you want to bring people together to work together on an agenda.

Anna Marie went from Secretary school to Harvard. And when she got to Harvard, she taught Harvard, how to be a community organizer.

This was a deputy assistant secretary so I was a secretary eventually.

Well, we're really interested in the mission and the impact of Hispanics and philanthropy. I just think this is such a timely topic. I mean, we're looking at what's happening with the migrant crisis down at the border, we're looking at asylum seekers at refugees. I mean, I, I'm sure anyone who who is like me has that photo of these children in cages. And it's like we have we are in crisis. And I really appreciate what Hispanics and philanthropy is doing to sort of educate about the crisis that we're sitting in. And I think one of the things that you all educated me about that was so shocking, is that there are more than 560,000 people on the move right now. But that's over half a million people on the move. So I'd love for you to kind of just hit at a really high level, what is Hispanics and philanthropy doing to sort of mitigate this crisis? How are you pulling in agencies and programs and philanthropists to sort of start to address these really massive issues that are plaguing our country?

Great. Let's start with why we're here. We started almost 40 years ago. And it was originally what's called the philanthropic serving organization, which means that we're supporting and strengthening the sector, about my predecessor was very wise. And she knew a long time ago that that wasn't going to be sufficient. And she moved. And I took that and expanded it into not only connecting, convening, educating, but how do we also power up philanthropy with the power of people? And so we're also putting together funds like foundation funds, right? collaboratives but we're also aggregating, democratizing, I like to say, philanthropy so that everybody you guys myself, my mama, we're awfully out there. Whether you're getting $10,000 $15 million, like Mackenzie's got, or $10, right, but we're all philanthropists. And so that's what we've been doing on the border. It's not just the terrible crisis that we have in Central America, Venezuela, is the largest refugee dynamic in the, you know, in the whole hemisphere that we've ever experienced in the hemisphere, second only to what's happening in Syria. And to a large extent, I mean, when you're talking, you're talking about what's happening, and may go a lot of the Central Americans that are there, but are leaving because of climate change. They're leaving because of violence. They're leaving because of instability. And that has just played havoc on the whole economy and on people's ability to live and anybody in their situation with try and figure out how can we provide a safe place for our kids, the Venezuelan crisis is horrifying. And people are leaving, and they're going wherever they can, in if you go to the borders. I'm before COVID, we were taking delegations to the border. folks think that it's only Mexicans and Central Americans. But we were seeing people from Pakistan, from Haiti, from Africa, from from Russia, I mean, there is folks at the border that represent the whole entire world. And it's astounding. I'm hoping that at some point, we can start taking people back because there's no report, no Facebook feed, no twitter feed that could really bring alive and explain what is happening. I there are no words to describe what is happening. But hip kicked into action has always kicked into action. I think one of our superpowers is that we're nimble, we're flexible. We, you know, we're problem solvers. We try not to stay with a problem, but like, okay, incrementally How can we assist and help. And that's what we've been doing, really leveraging the power of foundation dollars, and more and more individuals that are giving big and small ways.

I think we ran across an article on your website that stated that only 1% of philanthropic dollars in the US currently go to Latin x organizations. And so when you compare that to the size of the communities that you're serving, I mean, scrappy with the philanthropy can't even begin to scratch the surface of that. So I wonder if you could kind of lift some of these other topics that are really important that, you know, are so disproportionate, you know, the investment in the communities and are there other things you could kind of point us to just paint a picture?

That number is so so sad. We had done Hispanics and found that we had done this study with candid about 10 years ago. And back then it was 1%. So I thought for sure by now it's increased, but the number was still 1% philanthropic dollars are going to Latino Hispanic communities. And if you go back to 1975, one of our founders Herman Diego's did that study in 1975. And back then it was 0.8. Back then, we were only like, 7% of the population. Today, Hispanics are almost 20% of the population, right? We're the biggest minority in the country. We're 60 million and what we're doing with 60 million, yeah, imagine if we had a little bit of fairy dust, what we could do, I always think about that in terms of our entrepreneurs in our businesses, because we're so entrepreneurial, and a lot of the small businesses that are being that are being created now are owned by Latinos, but they're doing that with just, you know, leveraging credit card debt with what your sister or your brother can lend you. They don't have access to any of the capital that mainstream folks have. And the number that you see with philanthropy, that same number is replicated. It's 1%. Actually, it's less than 2%. For black and brown combined and venture capital for businesses. Right for that's black and brown combined. I think all of philanthropy for all bipoc is less than 7%. It's a very, it's an astounding number. So what we're seeing in philanthropy, what we're seeing in the business community, then we've also been seeing it in the federal government, right, the disinvestment, so that's why people are unhappy. That's why you see protests, because it's compounded that disinvestment, and that's over, you know, centuries, decades. Yeah.

And I mean, there's just no equity in that in the fact that the scale of the population boom that is not unable to keep up, you know, with the philanthropy shows just how large the delta is to me. And it just is another reason of why we have to fight that much harder to equalize, you know, not even just the philanthropy that's offered, but the the opportunities, the employment opportunities, the pay gap, the how are we helping every member of our society, you know, get promoted, grow, learn, you know, improve. And, you know, I sit there and think about something like COVID-19. And I would love to hear what his response was to COVID-19. And, and what's happening with your racial equity work right now.

COVID was really hard, because what I wanted to do was just sit in a corner and cry. And just, like, just huddle, right? So you have that instinct, your other instinct is to go into mama bear, and just sort of, like, take care of your family and those around you. And the overriding instinct was okay, we got to do something. And all of our stuff was united, and we got to do something, and how can we work together? So we were very cautious, because you know, this is we know that it's all about a marathon. And I mean, we thought COVID was going to be two, three months. And here we are the year almost a year and a couple months afterwards. So we didn't want to burn out our staff. So we instituted unlimited sick leave immediately. So people could work, but also take care of their own, no questions asked. And then we went to work just like putting out money, as much as we could. Usually, as an intermediary, we've usually put out about four to $5 million a year to grassroots organizations. So the foundation's usually do the big grants, right? They do like 50 100. And intermediate like hip focuses on the grassroots organizations, those smaller nonprofits, those that like, need the 5000 to 10,000 to 15,000, those smaller grants. So that's what we did a lot of them. And I think it was about 800 of them, and we put out $12 million dollars. The interesting part of thinking about hip is that you can also give to organizations that are here in the US in Puerto Rico, Mexico, across Central and South America. So folks that are really worried about their family elsewhere, also give to hip to get dollars to community organizations, down south, but we were working with farmworkers. We're doing our last push for farm workers right now. But I think it'll be 5 million to farm workers, organizations alone, but also to essential workers, to small businesses, we partner with Google to put three and a half million dollars into the pockets of small businesses that would have gone out of business, otherwise, too many went out of business anyways. But at least some of them we were working with, that's through our power up fund. We worked with migrant and asylum seeking organ seekers to make sure that they were safe. Because they were doubly we had migration, the MPP program, right, where they're, they have to ask for asylum from the Mexican side or, and that was really complicating things with COVID. So so much happened last year. And it's still happening right now. I'm very, very worried about the eviction crisis, which we will probably start seeing the beginnings of in full force in June, once this moratorium starts in June expires. That's the next thing that's on the horizon, what's going to happen with all these folks that, you know, hadn't been able to work, and have all of these bills, they've had a home, but they have these bills that are increasing and increasing. Very hard to pay. There's going to be federal dollars for that. But there's a lot of insecurity and how and under my lack of understanding as how to apply for those dollars ants and we saw the same thing with the PPP loans. In the first round of PPP loans, which the government SBA was putting out less than 9% of those loans were aware, or to bipoc

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I have to tell you, as hard as this conversation is to hear and into just know that the road is going to be still much longer and we have to just weather this dorm, I am so grateful to have you come in here and educate us about what the situation is like for people on the frontlines. It gives me a heart of gratitude for what you're doing to lift up these sectors, we've had a lot of these conversations on the podcast, I even think about the southern smoke episode that we had that was talking about what their foundation is doing to help restaurant workers and people who are working, you know, in the background of the restaurant industry. So I want to, I just want to commend you for what you're doing, because it tells me there's still so much work to do, and that it's gonna take a community like us, like everyone listening right here to lean in to how we can pull together and make sure that no one is going without that no one is getting evicted out of their homes. And I also just want to say, well done hip, I am really proud of your organization, that during this crisis, the immediate first two things that you've that you did was one, you instituted unlimited sick leave immediately for your staff. That is some seriously evolved level of leadership and thinking, because automatically, I'm thinking that your staff feels safer cared for and my gosh, do you want to lean into your mission and want to help when someone takes care of you? Yes, you do. And then the second thing was getting to work, trying to really divest whatever you can, above and beyond what you're doing nationally, because you understand what this crisis is going to do to people. And I love that you were that nimble. And I love that that is a key theme to your value system. So Bravo.

And I appreciate your vulnerability that I mean, we all felt that at different points of 2020, that we just want to kind of go go to the corner and just hide, you know, but it's kind of a turning point of this story. And not that this solved all aches and pains. But I do think it's fascinating that you know, that was one experience of 2020. But another one was getting this call, I don't know if it's a call or a letter, I'd love to hear the story of getting this incredible, major gift out of the blue from McKinsey, Scott. And just like what what that was like, you know, in the moment, what did what did you know, what did you not know, and how to, we're kind of the days that kind of unfolded around it.

And we're talking about the $4 billion donation that McKinsey Scott made to 384 nonprofits that were addressing the COVID relief and sort of the systemic inequalities that exist in the world. And please spare no details, when you tell us what that phone call or how that announcement came to be. Because we are completely have our bucket of popcorn, and we're leaning into this.

I still, like lose my breath when I think about this, but you have to understand that she had already made over $1 billion last number, right. So I already said I'm going to give all my money into a safe as open and I had already applied at Bravo, amazing lady, I hope I one day get to meet her. Tell her my appreciation in person. So the last thing I expected was that I can see Scott was making more donations last year. So we've been getting calls, as I said, folks are really generous. And we've been getting calls to try from givers that wanted were very warm and generous hearted, giving dollars out. A lot of them too many of them. Were saying I'm giving you this money, but 100% of it has to go to the people in need, which is wonderful. I really applaud people giving. But you can't say 100% of it because somebody has to write the check. And you know, that's funny, you need some dollars for the pipes and the bricks and mortar. And so I think that week, I was probably a little bit jaded, because I had had too many of those calls of like, I'm going to give you this money, but 100% of it has to go to the people in need. I'm like, okay, fine, give me the money. I was really, really worried about budgets and how to make budgets, because you know, you still have all of these staff that you you know, want to make sure they're feeling supported as well. And so I get this call on a Friday afternoon from a really lovely lady. And she says, McKinsey, you know, been watching you aligned with your values, we want to do more of it faster. And I'm like, great. I'm expecting you know, $50,000 will be fantastic. And then she said the number 15 million, and I started hyperventilating. And I was like, how could it be? I just didn't believe it. And I literally was hyperventilating and I literally had no new words. You have no words. There are no words. What do you say? But then I said and what do you need me to send you? Like me five page proposal with several years of audit and like nothing, just your bank account and that's where my brain turns to like okay, this is a hoax right?

Why? This money,

this is not easy.

It's like, Okay, fine. Next. But it wasn't a hoax, it was real. And, you know, it's so amazing because it's a kind of philanthropy that, as you saw, there was a lot of vetting that was happening on spinose to us. But it's the kind of philanthropy that says, use this money, how you see fit. And there's not strings, it's just how you see fit. It I used to work, as you know, at the Ford Foundation for Jarrett Walker, and all his brilliance, he was saying, we're gonna invest in good ideas that great people are leading at wonderful institutions. You know, if I have the three eyes, ideas, institutions and individuals, I'm going to trust them, because it allows you to be nimble. We have work plans, you know, the strategies for last year, all of that got thrown away. And we had to be nimble and start again. And we had all of these metrics for those workloads that needed to be happy, you know, that we needed to balance, it would have been a very different organization, and so Bravo's and applause to you know, those like McKinsey that are pivoting. And I mean, that's one of the trends that we saw last year, and I'm hoping that that trend was not a one off, but something that continues, which is we trust you, here's general operating support, run, and we will run because then that allows me to hire the best people really creative, smart, organized. And we can figure it out.

I think the thing that's striking me the most is that quote that you just said about it allowed us to run. And when you were in a pandemic, and you have over half a million people that are on the move, I mean, I'm seeing this year see, we have got to sprint up beside them. And we cannot be thinking about how are we going to keep the lights on? And how are we going to pay for the postage to get you this receipt. And I know we have a huge audience base of people who actually work within the nonprofit sector, but we have others who listen in that are philanthropists that are volunteers. And my message here to you is if you have the if you love your nonprofit, if you have complete trust in their ability, try to take those restrictions away as well as you can, because it allows them to run at these problems. We need risk capital, to be able to scale to be able to to try things that have never been done before. And this is what I love about Mackenzie Scott, she threw out the old playbook of fundraising, she threw away that concept of overhead as being a negative and said, do what you need to do to solve the problem. And that is how philanthropy is going to be able to solve the world's biggest crises. So absolutely love that story. Love that. I'm that I'm picturing you hyperventilating because that is what I would have been doing.

I wanted to pick up on something that you said, Becky, because in her medium article, she did talk about the vetting process. And that's been fantastic. Because there have been some foundations and some donors that like are saying, oh, okay, this organization has been vetted really, really well. So maybe where they might have been apprehensive before, we've had some donors that are more interested in us now. Which is, which is great, because they saw well managed and impactful. And that combination is good to see. Well, I

wonder, could you kind of share your experience has been such a cool journey. Is there a moment that philanthropy has stuck out to you? That has kind of resonated as part of your story,

a moment where I see philanthropy at play? I mean, I can we talked earlier about people powered philanthropy. I mean, I was in Puerto Rico right after Hurricane Maria, that was People Powered philanthropy that like sticks to you, people helping each other mutual aid. You've seen that now with COVID, as well, so many people. I mean, there's more philanthropy now than there was five years ago, there's a lot more money, people are being more and more generous. That's the kind of philanthropy that moves me. You know, equally amazing was the the sacrifices and the giving that we saw from essential workers during, during COVID. And that's also generosity, and that's giving as well, and that kind of giving touches me more than the givings of foundations. Because that's professional philanthropy. And it's, it's important that and all of us that have worked in professional philanthropy, we're doing it because of, you know, our heart and our spirit. But that day to day Philanthropy In the end, that's that's, that's very moving. I agree. Thank

you for sharing that. And I think that you would just have a mind blowing one good thing. To add, because one of our last questions that we ask all of our guests is to share one good thing with us. It could be a hack or a mantra, maybe it's a life lesson. What's your one good thing,

if there's one good thing, I think we all have to practice, self care. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. Because it's all of this work is a marathon. And if you don't practice self care, like in the airplane, right, you can't help anybody else around you. And so I guess, we're starting from the premise that we're here to leave the world a little bit better than when you found it. But you can't do that unless you're practicing self care. And then that has ripple effects to those around you and those around you and those around you. Just like we're doing unlimited sick, we're still doing the unlimited sick leave, because people are I mean, a lot of people are still hitting walls right now. I had a wall on myself a couple of weeks ago, when I'm still here on a rainy cold day in Washington, DC. And my friends called me from Puerto Rico. And they're all on the beach having a picnic socially distance, of course. But I was like, Oh, I miss you. All right. And so we're still going through walls are still people dying every day. And we have this fourth barrier. And so we just have to practice self care in organizationally and individually. Oh, I

love that. And I love the visual of apply your own oxygen mask first in an airplane that you brought up before you can help someone else. And you're exactly right. If we're not pouring into ourselves, we're never going to be able to pour into our missions to the level, we know that we could.

Okay, so we got to grow the 1%. How can our listeners get to

5%?

There's an answer to that. You need to start with trustees. I don't know if you've looked at the boards of our Foundation's Board of our corporations, our boards in general, but the boards of our foundations are overwhelmingly white. And they're well meaning and lovely people. But some people have to give up privilege and give up their seat. And we need to make our foundations look more like the people that they're serving. And this is not just a nice thing to do. foundations, if you are going to achieve mission need to look like the people that they're serving. It's not because certain people are smarter or less smarter. It's it's lived experience. Some things look rational, or irrational, depending on what your lived experience has been. And I think that our boards need to reflect the diversity of our communities. And so you start with the boards that ripples down into our CEOs and then ripples down into our staff, too few staff and CEOs are also bipoc communities. This is slowly changing there. But very, very slowly changing, we need to accelerate that we need to start with the boards. That was a

brilliant a brilliant, brilliant suggestion. And I would also submit this if you're someone who listens to the we're for good podcast, quite often, you'll see that one of the trends for corporate giving is that you need to have a diverse makeup of leadership of staff of administration and funders are now starting to pay attention to nonprofits. And those who are not showing equal representation, those that are not being inclusive, those that are not creating a seat for everyone at the table. I really believe and I have to tell you, I'm here for those organizations are going to be the ones left behind because corporations know that they're their product, their service, their people are best served when everyone has a seat at the table,

not a moral imperative. They understand that it's not a moral imperative, it's not something that's nice to do. It's a business imperative, you're not the corporation's understand that they are going to be left behind economically. And so our foundations, you know, conditions have no natural, no natural predators. They so there's not a push to change. But we need to remind them if you want to achieve mission, this is how you achieve mission. Otherwise, you're going to be left behind.

And I love I don't want to miss something that you said was that some people need to look around and say I need to give up my seat.

Oh, I love that. You either need to give up a seat or you need to make the table bigger. But I mean mathematically it doesn't work otherwise, right? I have to push also that it's not just one seat. You can't have a token, one seat because I know plenty of boards that do have one Latino, one African America and one night You know, it's not it's not a question of putting one because people still feel lonely. I have a trustees initiative that I'm doing where you have a lot, you have trustees from across the country. But these are folks that are like, I'm the only one. When I say an idea, nobody says, Oh, that's a great idea. People just stare at me and say, Yeah, don't get it, you need to have more than one you don't cure. The problem with having one

hip has, and I will put this in the show notes. But hip has a human rights summit that's coming up at the end of this month, you could check it out on their Instagram. And so if you are drinking, the kool aid of which Anna Marie is pouring, of which I am, and this conversation jives with you, then really encourage you to participate in the online human rights summit. I mean, it's going to be exchanging experiences, lessons learned discovering best practices on people. And it's really again, about making sure that everybody has a seat at the table. So that's an early pitch. And I also want you to connect us to how else can people connect with hip? How can they find you on social channels? How can they register for this?

optimist, we're eternal optimist. So we're gonna have our annual conference in Los Angeles in September. And so it'll be socially distance. And it's, you know, usually our conferences are 600 people, this one will be 150. But if you're interested in LA, come in September to visit the hit conference, it's also going to have a hybrid portion that will be virtual. So those of you that are not ready to travel, but I'm really ready to see real people. I love my husband, but I told him, I've only seen you for a whole year, I need to see some. So that's um, check out our conference, which will be September and we were talking about everyday givers, you can do that on hip give dot o r g, which is our crowdfunding site. It's the only free and bilingual crowdfunding site across the Americas. And there's lots of fantastic projects on there, which you can donate to. And if you're interested in learning about hip, you can also sign up to our website, which is hip online, hiep, online dot o RG and on there, sign up for our listserv, and we will be keeping you abreast of everything. Our social media is fantastic. So follow us on Twitter, or Facebook or Instagram. And we are pushing things there that I think are really exciting. And those of you that are job seekers, we have job jobs Fridays for if you're looking for an job in philanthropy. So there's lots that we're doing just follow us wherever is your favorite platform. And

I love your Instagram handle is B hip give playing off that very

clever. And it's a great account. It's chock full of facts and ways to get involved. So if this conversation resident resonated with you, please lean in, they've got a great newsletter. I think there's a lot of work to be done here and many hands can make light work. So thank you for coming on Annamarie thank you for just keeping us informed inspiring us and we're here to just tell you that you're doing incredible, incredible work. We support your team. And thank you for coming on today.

Thank you.

Thank you can so much fun.

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