yes, you uh mentioned 11 Uncle's that's what you get when you're Irish Catholic. Oh, yeah, my dad's the youngest of nine boys and my mom was one of six. So yeah, I really just have always felt a calling to that population I, you know, personally feel that you really takes quite a self sacrificing person to serve their country in that way, you know, someone that's willing to put the needs of their nation above their own. And I just, yeah, I feel very strongly veterans have some of the best senses of humor of any any group of people I've ever met. They always keep me on their toes, they're, you know, barometer going back to something that Dr. White Cooper and Dr. Brown both spoke about is, what they've really taught me is just how much it's so important to, you know, win trust, right? Because the way that I conceptualize trauma is that fundamentally, trauma at the root of trauma is a rupture of trust, right, of trust in the world of trust in your community of trust in your institutions. And of trusting yourself. Sometimes that's the one of the most heartbreaking parts of trauma is that we learn to not trust ourselves, we don't feel at home in our bodies anymore. And what veterans have really taught me is that the antithesis of trauma is connection, right? Is reconnecting with your families, with your communities, with yourself. Right, as is that's how you restore. That's how you rebuild. Right is is that reconnecting and you know, I think you hear stories of veterans that you know, live in the woods, right and don't want to talk to anyone. And, you know, while that's certainly a stereotype, there's a reason, right that we do the best that we can to survive with the tools that we're given. And that's something I really try to instill in the veterans that I work with is, you know, you're doing the best you can, right. Like, there's a reason that you've done this, and these ways of coping may not serve you any longer. Right. And, you know, I feel again, I know that, like you said, we can attend different podcasts from some of these topics. But one of the reasons that I so enjoy doing trauma work within a conjoint couples framework, whether that be you know, with a parent and a child or romantic partners, is that again, going back to that conceptualization of connection being the antithesis to trauma, it's just so beautiful to be able to watch people deepen their understanding of what their loved ones going through, because when you know, your spouse, for instance, is kind of aloof, we can think, gosh, they're so hard hearted, or they don't love me, or, you know, a million different myriad ways we can make sense of that. But really, they're just trying to survive and sometimes often protect you from their anger, or, you know, dysregulation and things. So it's just really beautiful to watch people just come alive in themselves again, and come alive in their families. And that's something that, you know, veterans have really taught me. And, you know, just one other last thing that's specific to veterans is that so often, they can feel betrayed by their country, right? The country someone just said something to me last week about, you know, this is the country guy signed up to serve. And sometimes I feel betrayed by the politicians that I put my life on the line from, for and just being able to kind of, well, you know, and relate it to what Dr. White Cooper said, you never want to teach someone to adjust to oppression, right? You never want to teach that but to also be able to function in a society and do the best they can. And we can only as therapists do the best or as administrators as system changers, as researchers, we can only do the best that we can with the tools and the contacts that we're given. But just to help people find their purpose and live as meaningful lives as they can with the cards that they're dealt,