(Audio) Coworking IDEA Conversation 🇺🇦 Special Edition- Ukraine 🇺🇦

6:01AM Mar 11, 2022

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Bernie J Mitchell

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So first of all welcome to the Coworking idea project. This is a special edition a conversation, specifically to serve our friends in Ukraine. This event was brought to you by the Coworking idea project, and the Coworking the European Coworking assembly and so many other organisations. I can't possibly list them all or we be here all day each and every one of you run multiple organisations serving this cause. So my name is Ashley proctor for those who don't know me. I'm a settler on Turtle Island, and I use she her pronouns. I've been leading the Coworking movement in so called Canada for about 19 years now. I'm the founder of creative blueprint, Coworking Canada, co hip the Coworking health insurance plan, Coworking Toronto and Coworking Ontario collectives. And I'm one of the volunteer organisers for the court, Coworking idea project. And most especially because we're gathered here today to discuss issues of displacement, and occupation. I have to acknowledge that I'm joining from Toronto, Canada, which is located on the traditional, ancestral and sometimes unceded territory of the Houghton Shoshone, the Huron when dot the Anishnaabe A, and the Mississauga is of the credit First Nations. For those who are not familiar with the Coworking idea project, we are an international collective of Coworking operators and associations around the world. Community organisers are collaborative consultants and companies and we are committed to making the Coworking industry more inclusive, more diverse, more equitable, and more accessible. And we're organising this meeting specifically to serve our friends in Ukraine. But I know there are deeper rooted reasons why we are gathering here today why we're organising. One being that we are all united and Coworking and that we all share the Coworking core values of community collaboration, openness, accessibility, and sustainability. And as part of the idea project, we value Inclusion, Diversity, Equity and accessibility. Many of you are also part of Coworking alliances in your own regions. And we believe by working together we can solve complex issues, and we can create new systems and new ways of being. We all here believe that Coworking is a verb. And that this organising that we're doing here today is what Coworking is really about. This is Coworking. And so I want to talk about who was gathered here today, why we're coming together. And we're here because in the Coworking movement, we have a service mindset. This isn't just hospitality in our spaces that I'm talking about. It's the desire to make things better, to build a better solution for ourselves and our peers around the world. It's what we do. We gather, we build community, we make connections, we build networks, we solve problems. We are community organisers. We are connected internationally. We truly care about the humans that are involved, the larger systems that are at play, and we want to make a difference. You're also here, because there is a horrific and unjust situation happening right now in Ukraine. It's unnecessarily violent, and oppressive, and it's directly impacting innocent civilians, our peers and friends and their families. We're going to hear about those conditions directly from our Ukrainian friends in just a moment. But before we do, I need for us all to consider something equally important as providing the support that we are gathered here today to provide. Why are we gathering today for Ukraine? I know you know that reason in your heart. And yet we have not gathered the same way to serve those suffering, the same fate in other regions around the world. Those fleeing Syria, or Afghanistan, or Venezuela, or South Sudan, or Somalia. What are you currently doing in your Coworking community, in your company in your Coworking Alliance, to support migrants refugees in your own city and your own town in your own country? I'm ashamed that for many of us, the answer is we are not organising in the What? We are not supporting migrants and refugees in our own backyard?

Believe me, I am not trying to shame you. This is meant as a wake up call and a learning opportunity for us all. We are not organising for Syria and Afghanistan and the migrants in our own regions because of our internalised bias, because of racism because of prejudice because of discrimination. And it's not just you. It's historic. It's this systemic. It's in our history books. It's in our mass media. It's in the messaging from the relief organisations who are acting as saviours rather than partners, and it is in the trail of your donations. We can see ourselves in the people of Ukraine, we are conditioned to help others who look like us when they are in need. And that is why the idea project exists. That's why Coworking exists. Each one of you showed up with the best of intentions to help other humans in need today. We are all so grateful for that. But as we are building our solutions for Ukraine today, we have to keep in mind that we are the ones who will build this new system. Many of us are already doing the work by building the Coworking movement. In this process, we have to also tear down the old, we have to stop tyranny and violence and war. And we have to end all occupation and oppression. And we have to also work to see our biases, and to work to be more inclusive and equitable in our organising in our activism in our service. And we have to take new actions and acts differently if we expect change.

So at every point during our conversation today, as we are working to support Ukraine, and that is why we are gathered, I want you to be thinking, how can we replicate and duplicate these efforts now or in the future for others who are experiencing the same horse in other regions around the world? How do we build those bridges of opportunity, and share technology and raise funds and gather supplies that get directly into the hands of those who need them. I'm just going to give you a quick example of how you can easily match your values with your work and your donations. If I want to make a donation to a relief effort in Ukraine, I will donate $100 to the effort. And I will make sure it gets in the hands of the organisation that has the highest percentage of that $100 going directly into the hands of those I am trying to support, then I'm going to make a matching donation of $100 to an organisation who is providing relief efforts in Syria, because I know that they're not getting the same media attention or support for from our community. And thirdly, to ensure that there are always going to be organisations that will continue to fight for Migrant Justice in every region all donate to an organisation like the migrant Rights Network in Canada and there are equivalents in your region. We'll be presenting an upcoming idea challenge with many other suggestions of how you can support migrants, refugees, and newcomers around the world. So I'll pause those examples. For now. The issues in Ukraine are layered and complex. And it's easy for any of these conversations to get political, to feel personal, or to become emotionally charged. And with so many incredible minds, and brilliant problem solvers and community organisers and passionate volunteers and coercion royalty in the room today. It's also easy to get distracted during our time together. And so I will offer a few suggestions to set the tone and the flow for today. The question really is that we all have, how can we organise collaboratively to provide the support needed by our Ukrainian colleagues and friends. And I know many of you today have already created some networks and solutions and have things in progress. And I promise we'll get to share all of those today too. But we have to, we mustn't forget a few key points as we're building and crowdsourcing any kind of international networks, providing relief or mutual aid. We have to centre those who are actually experiencing this crisis firsthand. Those are the voices that we need to hear. We need to take direction from them on this issue. We build mutual aid networks together by elevating the needs of those being directly impacted. And that is why we are asking, What do you need? What do you want? What can we send? What can we build? What can we coordinate for you with you and how can we help? I want you to imagine a circle and in the middle of the circle for this issue. Are all the people actually experiencing and fleeing violence, war and occupation in Ukraine, and some of them are with us on this call. We will take direction from them and work to amplify and elevate their voices and messages. This is not about us. This is not about our solutions, our Coworking alliances or our brands. This is about the people of Ukraine. And beyond these understandably traumatised, and exhausted leaders who are still in the middle of the issue, we can also take guidance from others who have lived experience with war. And as refugees. These people know from their unexperienced, the kinds of resources, services, networks and communications that could be most helpful and can even fill the gaps. They're not experiencing this event firsthand, but they have valuable lived experience that most of us admittedly do not have. Consult with these people when you can. Beyond people with lived experience broadening, there are those who are experts in providing an organising humanitarian aid in crisis relief efforts, emergency services and support. There are experts trained and armed with international connections, resources, and existing lines of communication and funds that could be helpful to our efforts, connections in the field and in the region and across Europe, who are educated on the crisis and are extremely valuable, and they have the capacity to assist us in our organising consult with them.

And beyond the experts, there are activists and alliances and companies and community organisers just like yourselves who are highly connected, privileged, empowered, funded, and who have access to resources around the world. We are all perfectly positioned to assist in meaningful, impactful and sustainable ways as long as we remember to take all of our guidance and leadership from those who are closer to the centre of the circle than we are. international organisations like Coworking Canada and the idea project are following the lead of more informed and connected regional alliances like the European Coworking assembly, who are in in turn amplifying the voices of the local Ukrainian Coworking Association, who are amplifying the direct needs and requests from the actual human beings who are experiencing this war. Keep that formula in mind, as we ask these important questions today during our time together. How can we organise to provide the support requested by our Ukrainian colleagues and friends? How can we organise to provide support needed by others who are fleeing persecution and more? How do we organise to maximise our impact, and duplicate and replicate our efforts to provide support to those who are in the same position experiencing and fleeing violence and persecution in other countries, but are upper underrepresented in the media? And how do we maintain these efforts now and in the future, especially when the media moves on? So I'd like to know who's in the room and what we hope to achieve today. So I will give you all the opportunity to introduce yourselves in the chat. Because again, I want to elevate the voices of our Ukrainian Coworking friends. We'll hear from them. Then we will hear from from some of you about the relief efforts that are in progress. And we're also going to share a link, Hector, maybe you could share that in the chat. Where we're going to collect resources in a Google Doc, I know there are other organisations collecting resources. We are only doing this for this meeting. We're not trying to create a new website or a new central resource we're collecting while we're here in the dock. And we're going to make sure that this is forwarded to organisations and all of you so that you can continue to share and add resources as we find them. So to begin, I'm going to play a short video from our friends at the Ukrainian Coworking Association and then because going to speak

Hello, my friends. It's Mr. Siaka Chan from the gradient Coworking Association. A days ago Ygrene woke up his bumps and my life as well as lives of every Ukrainian changed forever. We had the worst a days in our life. In our previous life, a day's best as a moment. Now it feels like eight years. Ed is ago we left our homes and I don't even know is my home still exist? rocking, speaking it, it doesn't even matter. Nothing matters from from our previous life now. The one purpose the one desire is to help ourselves, our mothers, children, our people live. First, we were shocked that we will last and could not believe it's real. But few months after we understood that it's new reality. And our duty is to fight and do everything we can to stop this. Every Ukrainian and every person in the world now has its own your own front, standing with own weapon. And it's not just a gun. The weapon of Ukrainian Coworking association members is humanitarian aid, and means of protection to our people. We do this, as we understand that it's not the word Russia start against Ukraine. It is where between truth and light. Its word between democracy and totalitarianism between freedom and fear. And we cannot close don't even have the right to loose on my grandmother, who saw the Second World War, said, No one wins the worse. I did not understand this. Now I do. But we have no choice apart of resistance. Because we fight for truth, for justice, for the whole worst. If you could just see our people now, you would have no doubts that that we will be the morning always comes after night. And it will come this time. In just the world order. The one thing all of Ukrainians are praying now, every single moment just not to re establish this world or they're at a cost of our lives. This price is extremely expensive. Sometimes, when I see the innocent people killed, I have doubts. Can you really stand. But when my hands go down, the one thing which helps to believe and continue to fight is support. You know, there is no personal home in Ukraine anymore. Every gradient house is a home for every Ukrainian comes inside. We see support from every stranger in Ukraine. doing everything possible. We see support from all of you, separate from all humans around the globe. And the world support has the deepest meaning ever now. You can't even imagine how important it is. We say support in your massive meetings, in your protests in European cities. We feel it in your donates in your humanitarian aid comes from Europe and your financial support to our volunteer organisations to our army. Please just don't stop. Every even smallest help will be never forgotten.

We all small bites of one big world and now we need to build such a Coworking community. But in size of the whole word. We can win this horrible war against humanity all together. Only together we are powerful. Thank you. Thank all of you. And be sure Ukrainians will never forget this. Slow grainy

pika. If you are able to speak as well, we'd love to invite you to chat to the group and just let us know who you are and where you are and how you are, and maybe what you need. Yes, thank you.

First of all, while speaking, I was looking and this young lady and this year was part of our team and I was thinking how incorrect is his instance? She's so young and speaking so serious things. And I want to speak about it a little bit. She is the vice president of Coworking Association Ukraine and were asked to make this video after Bernie and European Coworking Association made an all you guys made audio for us. So we were so touched for wanted to give an answer. And we were thinking how to do it. So this was our stepfather. My name is Vika Jarvis. And a couple of years ago, I was thinking why Coworking in Ukraine and not united. And we decided to create Ukrainian Coworking association which was doing events, meeting people, etc. But as of now, the aims of it are quite different. With me at this call, there are two my colleagues also you might have known ecology Ban, who is also vice president of Coworking Association, Ukraine and founder and CEO of end cards, who is supported us from almost first they have Coworking dissociation creation. And also my colleague, Dimitri mush, Delia, who is coordinating the international connections with our association. So I want to get to know them. And I'm sure we will be connected even after our call today. Also, I would like to add some personal story from me as you asked, Where am I? Now I am in Hungary in Budapest, and I was very hesitating to come here. But you guys, with your support, and with audio and with messengers, made it easier for me to take this decision. And I know that there are so many people now hesitating once they shouldn't do next. And even if they're safe, there are so many other challenges they shouldn't be fighting. I love the speech, Ashley unit. And I haven't seen good in this way that we are not the only country because now I'm focused on myself, my family and on the nearest people of my family, but you were speaking so right, there are so many countries which face it and might face it. And I agree that we share the work in communities and community and building communities and sticking together can make incredible sinks. Maybe in here now in Hungary, I was helped by Coworking community here by Qatar by Aaron and his wife to make my kids feel normal routine and life. So I know how this works. And I know that it works. And I know awesome from some people in Ukraine in my community. That's a shame to ask. Some people need some even products and food. And they ashamed to ask me as a person who say no, and who will never say no. And it's also an a problem. I mean, it'd be a shame to ask and as I was also an MPhil AM. I also only respond when somebody is very persuasive that we go we will help you just let me know on the fifth message. Maybe I answer, okay. Yes, and it helps a sunset. But from the beginning I don't start because I think there are so many problems right now in the country. So you cannot ask for yourself. But steel, we as a team gathered some concrete accurate things which are needed, like already said humanitarian help or financial helps with concrete

aims. And we can together create a file excel and to put everything inside what is needed. But as I said it's so many things me as being I would say like more people person I am thinking not only about but it's my personal position not only about me but also about mothers and kids and people who are staying in Ukraine and who are relocating how hard it is to them. And as I said, your moral support for me was very crucial and believes it's a person can do a lot of things if he or she is an unstable moral condition. So I don't have a concrete step here. I just said share my story. But just hearing the voices being in this call reading the messages, it's it helps a lot. And maybe sometimes it can say for life, you don't know what what your client wants to somebody can do.

As I said here on the calls are also eager and demand. And guys, I wanted to ask you also eager mainly to step up here. And to suggest that the steps we've gathered three main steps we're asking to support after discussion with our CO workings. So maybe you could proceed from here.

Oh, yes. So of course, bigger. Thank you. And thank all of our, all of our friends here joined to be, of course, thank you. I want to thank Ashley for amazing speech and to beginning my amazing opening. My name is Igor. I'm a co founder of ENT cards. And also the Vice President of the green Coworking Association, one of the founders there as well. Well, first of all, I I want to say that as Ashley pointed out, right, the developers of Coworking coloration community inclusion as and others there have no nationality right, in any country are the same. And all people deserve equal treatment and our efforts. I hope this is a foundation something bigger than support for Ukraine. I hope we can maybe put together some greater effort to scale this to a much larger platform that can help all people in need. Around the course, Coworking industry, mobilise the Coworking industry to a whole new level. Second, as you know, Anastasia point was amazing, really. Anastasia, basically said that this is we're all Ukrainians now, basically, right? Fighting alongside to uphold the values that Coworking has founded upon, and also standing up against the bully that is currently trying to, to reverse a face the full history to undo the progress that we've made. You know, the progress we've made in Ukraine by by uniting all the people around the column values there, and the programme that humanity in general made, you know, the word freedom towards dignity, collaboration, against the fear and bullying so I think that it's amazing that we hold all of you here and it's amazing to get this kind of support for me it's horrible to see Vika you know, kind of getting so emotional and even even out of Ukraine. To be honest, I never met week outside of here. She is actually a native of Kiev, the capital of just met her a couple months ago there. We were planning we had so many plans around the association think we could do, you know, but unfortunately, we have to delay this right. I think I will. Definitely, it will happen but maybe not. Not. So. We've had a lot of discussions internally in our team of how we can you know, how we can all mobilise together and what we can do to to support Ukraine right now the people there, and the people there are what's going on in Ukraine is unacceptable. And I believe that people there do not deserve what they're currently experiencing. Even endcard myself, of course, we have a lot of customers that are co working spaces. Some of them are in the city, which was bombed by Russia. I don't even know if they're still alive. We are trying to get to some of our customers and those beseech CDs are doing everything I can to connect with them, but I still couldn't reach them. But there is a lot of working spaces there that are, we're in touch, we know what they need. There. They are actually mobilised and they're providing their spaces to to refugees, of course, helping the government to to educate people and to mobilise the support for Ukraine. So to to mention a few things that our community there things could be helpful. Firstly, is of course, mobilise the community to organise humanitarian and financial support for the co working spaces in Ukraine. And for the people in Ukraine. We have our Coworking Ukraine Coworking Association Board member working directly with the government and he can help us channel the resources strange to people who need it with as Ashley said, maximum possible conversion rate Oh, you know, of the of the donation to the people in their hands. We have an official statement by the Cabinet of Ministers, we can we work directly or we can we have a direct channel communication. So, you know, the top the top priority top 10 shortlist of things they need, which you saw in the end of the video, if you watched So, somebody already shared the link on the on the chat, where Anastasia spoke in the very last frame, you will find the top 10 list. If there if any of the community members know how to how to procure this items, you can reach out we go through the email on the last frame of the video. And, you know, help help procure that. The other of course, we understand that

a lot of people may be it may be easier sometimes to mobilise financial resources or just to have people donate for that we have a reliable link or support Ukraine now that work which offers people a lot, a lot of different channels to support army humanitarian efforts, hospitals, people, even animals. I believe that everyone needs support and I think even animals that are starving, should not be left out. It would be amazing that you know if if we could mobilise our community to actually track this donations and so that we know you know, how much support we have mobilised altogether. So that we can lead by example, and maybe this could help us you know, draw some attention that immediately to get more people on board. A lot of people present them to school representative or not on the coordinate space, but also associations Coworking Europe right the greater organisation various conferences various similar organisation which have a lot of followers and a lot of influence could help us to spread this information across all your social media, various communication channels. I mean, even if you look at the CELTA systems, social media alone, I think it has about a quarter million followers on social media do very powerful research that can help us mobilise the support. The second also quite important, in my opinion, and opinion of our board members is the staying extending out against the bullying. And one of the efforts here, I believe, should be focused around the you know, this kind of the flash mob or the domino effect that we are all seeing now, with the withdrawal of various international companies from the Russian market. I want to mention that the reason why we're doing this is because our products and services that we have created and your your organization's. They're designed for the free world. They're designed to empower people, right? They're not designed to, to destroy to instil fear. We don't want our product to be used against humanity, right against the values that Coworking was built. And therefore, and currently one of the first companies that announced withdrawal from Russia and unavailability of our services. I was, I was really impressed by the support of actual our unlikely partners in this venture. The other Coworking tech companies. I want to thank the optics officer in the next was cobalt, all these amazing companies that actually, you know, joined our effort and also We are standing up to the bull and we are not working with Russia. Today I've seen that we were already announced that they are planning to withdraw from Russia. But there are many more companies in the Coworking tech and in the Coworking world that I bet are still there, right. It's still doing their bidding, they didn't make any official announcement. It would be amazing if we could all maybe, you know, ask them a question or somehow mobilise them. Find out what their stance, you know, is I WG for example, I haven't heard anything from them. Soldier Systems. Last, I checked in the newsroom today on their website, I didn't hear any announcement. A couple more companies as well done. The last point for giving particular bit, a bit of time, bit more time, is, you know, a lot of other means of support. And I've seen really amazing efforts here, of course, hosting refugees in in your countries, helping hire Ukraine people, all this kind of initiatives, of course, also mobilising the grant to financial support for Ukrainian Coworking, who want to rebuild later, maybe all of this amazing efforts also are quite valuable. And we want to know about them. And we want to kind of maybe centralised, mobilise all of them in a single place. So we would love to, you know, to learn more about all the efforts that you were doing, you know, other efforts other than donating and supplying other than, you know, extending it to anything else, maybe vacancies because even on Coworking Association website, we have actually a special place where we post vacancies in Coworking we can maybe use this section to share various opportunities in Europe, you know, or from from the European and American partners. So, we would love to learn more about this. And maybe if there's any other types of support that you offer, we can we can also then promote them as well. I guess this, this is all my end. I want to give a word back to Ashley. Right. Thank you. Thank you all for amazing support. And we can me and we're all here to you know, we're going to do everything possible to make sure this is a great success. Thank you.

Thank you so much, both bigger, and Igor, and everyone who has been sending messages along to our groups through WhatsApp and other methods if they can't join us today. On zoom, just a reminder, while we're still together here, I know we've been sharing links and resources about your projects on so many different platforms. But we really, really, really need you to add your project, your link, your contact information, your association in the document, this document is for organisers who are doing projects that's you. So we can coordinate amongst ourselves, where are the gaps? How do we support each other? Does your project need volunteers? We have 10 volunteers, they don't have anything to do. We could send them your way. Can we collaborate on similar efforts? We're going to refine this and work together ourselves before we hand this over to the Ukrainian Coworking Association in a more finished fashion. So they don't need to do all this work themselves. We need to facilitate on their behalf and take some of the the unpaid labour off of their plates so they can focus on living, surviving, thriving, taking care of their families and safety right now. So we will definitely take the lead from our Ukrainian friends in terms of organising that we will work to achieve support for there needs specifically. So if you are doing your own initiative, please add it to that document. The link is in the chat it shared in open for everyone right now. We will refine this and send it out to you all later. Don't worry about formatting, grammar, spelling, broken English, we will make it pretty and send it back to all of you just get all the data you can in this document right now please so we can send it to each of you to connect with each other to build more deep and meaningful objective. This is also the place where if you hear of something that might be an opportunity to collaborate you're not sure you don't know the organiser directly but it sounds aligned seems very good. Add a note that this isn't a trusted contact. It's not something you've organised but you hear it might be a great resources. We will do the legwork of researching and diving deeper are the funds getting to people and will fact check again for Ukrainian friends don't need to worry about that and so that you don't as well. Third year project, the European Coworking assembly and others want to do some of this organising work this unpaid labour is what we're here for. So

please add your request to this document and just to go over some of the titles, who's in the room and what are you working on add something please What do you need? Where are the gaps in your work? This is for you. I'm organising a network but I need a tech platform to connect me with these people or I have this organisation ready to roll but we need funding a sponsor. So add these things. What platforms do you have access to? I have access to an entire Coworking Canada platform, I could mobilise them if someone has a fund they want me to raise for, I'm going to add that to the list. I also have access to a mailing list with about 1000 people that might be interested in social justice work so we could reach to that add your resources here, and what can you offer. Even if you don't know how it can be used yet, maybe someone else can connect with you add your name or initials or contact here as long as we can connect people. And it's not just an unknown offer. who currently needs funds, we all need funds to make things happen. We all want to make as much of the funds we're raising go directly to folks in Ukraine. So who needs funds and why potentially we can match you with sponsors offers one group is raising funds, another one needs to spend it in effective ways. Please list that here. What will it be used for is very important, so we know who to match you with? What region potentially what denomination is helpful. Add your volunteer requests and at the very end of the document, we have public resources and links. These are going to be shared on the Idea Channel website are going to be shared across the European Coworking Association, we're going to elevate all of the European Coworking associations links and projects here as well. If it's on that page, it's okay to post publicly so make sure that that is in the right spot trusted resources. There are questions at the bottom of this document as well. We're asking you to answer. How do we help folks who are currently in Russia or in Poland or in Germany or anywhere across Europe who are fleeing Ukraine? How do we specifically help Coworking operators, if you have links very specifically, where to send money, or shelter, food or connect people with shelter, had them under the right category in this list, we can send them to the organisations that are coordinating those efforts. We're particularly finding gaps right now. I've had requests coming in for trauma informed care and potential counselling or mental health resources as well, just going through the experience, even if it's just someone to, to act in and not necessarily professional capacity, but a facilitator in this area. And other people who can just offer general coordination or facilitation, even if they might not be an expert in Coworking, or social justice. So please add all of those resources to the talk. We're going to leave this open for a couple of hours today. And and then start doing some editing and sending it out to various groups try and get as much of your info in in the next couple hours as possible. So it's in there when it goes out. I'm going to ask if there's anyone else on this call in Ukraine who has fled Ukraine who is in the surrounding areas that wants to provide an update or a very specific request or call to action? Before we start doing a quick rundown of what organisers are in the room and projects they're working on. Can't see anyone raising their hand, feel free to unmute and jump in if you'd like to speak if you're in the region. We again like I said, most folks can't be on the call today, because it's really hard to add.

Just wanted to say that I'm not sure there is somebody else on the call. And we've been asking everybody what they need. So we will gather the information. And also we will add it to the file, the summary of what we found and the resources, etc, etc.

Thank you. And if you need help coordinating or organising just write those requests in there, please. I know you said it was hard to ask for help earlier. And that's something that really stood out as a reminder, but we want you each to know that we don't see this as a weakness or a shortcoming in any sense. Each and every one of us would do the same thing in that situation. And we would hope that the Coworking world would mobilise it organised to support us in the same case. So please keep asking, we are all here just looking for things to do and if you know people who also need help, put us in touch you're ready to mobilise for you and there's no shame in asking for support in a crisis such as this. Um, I would like to just do a quick introduction then of those who are already organising efforts on other skills. And then I also will end on those efforts. But I want to want to say because some people will probably need to leave right at the end of the hour. You can continue to reach us through the Coworking European Coworking assembly, you can continue to reach us through the Coworking idea project. And if you are an independent organisation, if you're a sponsor our company in Coworking if you are a collective or alliance based in somewhere else in the world who wants to raise funds, you are welcome to do any initiative on your own without permission or any Going from us. Please, if you are going to be donating to the folks in Ukraine mention it to the Coworking idea project or to the European Coworking assembly so we can track again Coworking donations and we can also try and pull funds together and, and get them directly to folks in need as easily as possible. So if you don't have a direct line, coordinate directly with the idea project, or with the European Coworking assembly I would like to ask folks who are currently organising initiatives to help. I know there are four or five of you in the room to raise your hand or put up your your reaction hand reaction, and we will invite folks to speak. I see Jose on my screen to see Rita Would someone like to start and we'll just quick, quick two minutes who you are, what you're working on? How do people reach you and share your info in the chat? Please?

Do you want us to share like speaking? Yeah, please,

just a quick introduction, who you are, we represent what the project is and how we can

help. Okay, so I'm talking in behalf of like the European creative hubs network. So we we gather the the hubs that are usually working in the cultural and creative sector. And what we did as a start was to try to think of ways to support the hub leaders who are who are going to welcome refugees in this situation. So what we did was together for organisations and creative hubs that have been through this with other refugee crisis in the past, so we're gathering their experience and are hoping to build like a toolkit for how to deal with those people, the things you need to be aware of. So and we're also here, there's two other like people from actually from board members from organisation. We're here exactly because we want to share practices, and we want to see like to pull together, like our efforts with someone who's maybe doing this similarly, or could use this.

Thank you, could you please add all of that info to the documents so that we can follow up with you afterwards, if that resonated with anyone? Thanks so much. Iskin, I'm sorry, if I'm not pronouncing your name, right.

That's good case versus extreme. But okay. We're basically working on a few initiatives, but the basic thing has to do with coordination. So we're gathering coaches and counsellors from around the world, especially ones that can't speak Ukrainian or Russian. So it's easier for people to speak in a language that's closer to them. And then more English, and I can coaching that and bring people together for for helping people that are especially trauma coaches, or trauma counsellors. You guys, the one side of it is in Ukraine, there's a there's a war going on. So we need support, there is support in the borders. But what we're looking at specifically is as the migrants are coming into the centre of Europe, this few things already happened. I'm not sure if you guys are aware of the temporary protection directive from the European Union, which I just mentioned that quickly. In essence, the European Union made broader the law last week, any country in Europe that's part of European Union is not signed up to it is Denmark. And obviously, the UK is not part of the European Union. So it was not signed up to that. The any migrants that come across the border have 90 days basically to pick a country and they want to go to the country, they can go to any city in the Netherlands specially to any town council, and they will be directed to what is the pledges recommendation to them where they can they can settle? Temporarily. It's usually things like hotels that are currently made available in the Netherlands about seven town Council's it's currently already running with that bar, what we're looking at is how do we get that information to people that are arriving in country? How do we help people that have arrived in country and are now sitting in a hotel, but they're going like, Yeah, I'm sitting with my whole family. How can I work? Because there are people that will have the ability to work remotely, they might want to continue with their jobs, they want to want to quickly settle so they can get their stability back for their families. So we're looking at things like co working spaces do you guys have them available where people can go sit, so we can help them direct them towards that a citizen. Here's a place where you can have a Wi Fi here's a place that has a computer or a laptop that you can sit behind to work. That's one side the other side is on the counselling and the coaching side we need the same we need a safe space where people can sit by themselves in a quiet space and work with a counsellor or coach or counsellor. B be that if the character counsellor is sitting in Canada, for instance, we have volunteers coming in from Canada from South Africa, from Spain, so I'm getting really emotional, but this is just amazing. work these people are willing to do. And so we're talking at the moment to anybody that's a cultural current cultural counsellor that's coming in. So we have people that currently already speak Ukrainian, Russian, English are all lined up. So and so we want to help younger people as well. Some of the stuff that LIBOR, which is the call as well as currently involved in is looking for businesses that want to expand. So this is not necessarily highly skilled labour. Because we see that across the borders, there's a lot of women and children coming, we have no idea if what is the stereotypical gender identity structures are like in Ukraine. So we're assuming there are people that come across the border that are not skilled labourers that are going to be looking for jobs. So we're looking at things like if you're, if you're a bread Baker, if you're expanding, expanding, expanding your bakery, if you're spending spending your hair salon, anybody that's coming in any kind of skills, we're trying to find jobs for that. Alright. So the other thing that I'm focusing on at the moment is specifically cancer, I have a huge network in oncology, and so does my husband and all our friends. So if anybody has any problems, where they suffering from cancer, or, or cancer treatment, or in remission, and knee checkups, or anything like that, and then coming to the Netherlands, just contact me we also have a European network in that, so willing to help with that. So what we need, we need volunteers, we need people just saying, Listen, you know what? I might not be a counsellor or a coach, right? Or you may be, but even if you can't, can you help us organise? Can you help us coordinate? So another friend of ours from the same sort of MBA Group, Carter, Pascal has offered her platform she's going to secured into a platform in which you can offer services on the one hand and the other side, you can we can match it with the need, she's making that whole platform available to us for free. And what I like about it is the security element in it. And it's also hosted the places that do not have any extradition of information, for instance, to the US or to Russia. Okay, so we will try and make it as secure as possible. Thank you. That's basically what we're busy with at the moment. So anybody that's willing to help, just contact me,

thank you, can you please add as much of that in those needs to the doc so that we can enter your contact info? So we know how to get in touch with you? Because I just heard three or four matches I know we have for you. That would be fantastic. Thank you so much. Christophe, are you here with us right now?

Yes, I am. Hello. Sorry, I was a little bit late. I don't know if you already talked about this. But I just wanted to quickly say that we were putting together as much co working spaces that in Europe, are happy to support people displaced by the terrible things in the Ukraine. And so what I wanted to say is we are putting together a map for every space that we know about and every space that signs up or form to indicate where people can go but what has been really, really helpful in the last week, what we saw is, and we if the spaces themselves, that think they were or that that have space or support to give if they just immediately put it online, because what you said earlier, so it's really difficult to ask for help. And people have to flee home and then come in a new environment. And maybe first only think about shelter and where to sleep. It really helps if they have like clear information or open arms, they come to us we have we have free coffee or just whatever there is we put it out there because we learn from the network that already did that, that that's when people get back to and then really find a way because it still seems sometimes difficult to get up and go to the workspace at least. That's what I what I think is happening. So apart from all the maps and signing up, just put it on social media and say that you open to help and I think that would make a big difference. And that's it. I mean, the link is probably already in the dock, you can sign up and we will do our best to to add more spaces and more information, what the spaces are helping with in the next weeks.

Thank you so much, Christophe appreciate you joining us and for the work you're doing on this.

Yes, of course. Anyone else

would you like to speak about an initiative you are currently organising or a collaborative effort?

Certainly somebody want to hear I'm not I'm not going to speak about an initiative but is there anyone here from we help Ukraine from Fernando and Hugo in the Portuguese family

going once can anyone speak to that other than that? They know

I Let's see anybody. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go away.

Perhaps maybe just share the link in the chat as we already have it in the doc, but so others can see who we're speaking. Thank you. Any other?

Alex at home? Has someone care? He's just put it in the chat, which we should make him read out.

Alex, are you able to speak or?

Yeah, I can. Hi everyone. Yeah, I can speak, I was just kind of quickly typing it out. So I might not make a lot of sense. It's not super, it's not really related to that. I just wanted to ask to the last one, I just want to ask you a question. I know so many people who who want to help. Yeah, and they don't know how to help. So some people are collecting toys. Some people are collecting kind of, you know, jackets and shoes. Of course, some of us are donating money to certain charities. But, but again, and talking about accommodation, you know, I know people who who want to take in, they have a small apartment, they want to take in one person, others have a, you know, a bigger apartment, they want to take in, you know, three or four people, but no dogs or people who love cats or, you know, whatever. So the thing is that I know a lot of people, but they don't know how to help. And I just wondered if anybody has any, you know, more information on what what we can do other than kind of collect toys, or donate to charities, you know, I know people who are thinking that they're going to have to go to the station and wait for refugees to come and then kind of just picked people off the train and say, you can come with me, you know, so we're not aware of how it works. I mean, I think the last gentleman said that people go to town halls and the town hall, kind of, you know, shows them to someone's house, but how do they know whose house is free. So, you know, as I said, so the point of my text was that a few of people I know feel that some of these charities, organisations, you know, that the town hall, whatever, the cities are quite slow, and they feel like they have time at the moment. And they would like to maybe start some kind of sustainable, like a business, some kind of like a company that, that helps in some way, but relying on people's charity. You know, some people, you know, I'm also afraid that, you know, sometimes charity can run out and people's intentions change. So I just wanted to know, you know, what can be done? You know, I, myself and a few people I know, have time at the moment. So we could, we could do something on a daily basis. But, but I think that, you know, collecting toys or, you know, hats and stuff. You know, I think that's been done already.

So I, Alex, just in response, some of the part of the reason of organising that Doc is to find the gaps, and we want to hear from our Ukrainian friends what exactly they are needing, and we're not able or not currently providing and then that's where we're going to focus our efforts next, just to make sure the most basics but I'll let Bica answer this.

Yeah, just 1% of my battery. So I'll try to make it what I was thinking is that, as I said, if you have one person you can ask the person you're connected to it's easier if it will be English as a barrier or something like that me and my team will help with it. But as I see the needs of people change so quick, they don't know Susie leave or not, then they leaves and they call you in three hours I will be involved or can you pick up me when two hours. So it's very, very, very, you should be in this right now on this sport connected to this person, because in two or three hours, we'll delayed. And I'm not sure if the toys or doubles or blankets are not crucial right now, because people are still leaving and salespeople who could leave who may be more like they say middle class and lift shores maybe. And now there is a second or third wave of people who is leaving. So if people are still leaving and they come last and they know nobody so when I was thinking is to have at least one to five, how many people more people you can connect you can write you can ask stupid questions, maybe but they will answer us and will help you they will help you within their community together. Choice blank kids kindergarten schools because there are very, very basic questions and if you know even English, like me in Hungary, but I don't know Hungarian, you cannot do a lot of things actually. So you should ask somebody you should have one or two person you can just

I think if I could just tie in with what you were saying. I'm currently working with people that are currently fleeing. One of them's looking for, for cancer treatments. So that's how she got in contact with me or the people connected with me If somebody is fleeing, they don't know where they're gonna have battery power, they don't know where they're gonna have mobile cell phone service, they don't know really, if they're gonna have data plan, or they have to get to a Wi Fi somewhere. Their days are completely unstructured. So do not, do not try and make an appointment with someone just be there. With people,

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to again, the reason we're organising here today is to minimise the points of contact that our Ukrainian friends have to we don't need them independently navigating all of our help. If we all reach out even with help, we would overwhelm them right now. And what we need to do is if you are organising in your region, with your alliance, on your own, or you even just as an individual or a human contact either the Coworking idea project or the European Coworking assembly to coordinate because then, those two projects through one one contact, we'll be in touch with our Ukrainian friends so that we're not putting extra demands on their time. And they will keep us updated. Like we just said it changes outwardly. So we will have updates through the European Coworking assembly and idea you don't need to reach out directly. And we can let you know day to day what is being asked for what's being needed. Also, if you don't know how to get your funds there safely, send your funds or send your your stuff through IDEA project or through the European Coworking assembly and we can navigate getting it to them directly as well, so that they don't need to navigate that, and I believe Mika may be back if she would like to continue.

Yes, sorry. But sorry for this disruption. As I said, I was thinking to have a list of people who you can ask in each of the country, and to have, if you already are somebody from the team is ready. And to have, I don't know, inside commitments of two hours per day to be in even this connection and advising findings, stupid things. They said some sometimes. And if it has this list of the people, it would be easier for some to leave. Because even I have friends and etc. Europe all over Europe, it was very hard for me to leave. And those people who wanted it's always a choice and it's a decision of the person. But if they want the needs his hand, and somebody wrote either in document or in charge, that the government is slow. Yes, it is because the government's all Arabic machines. But as I was saying before, everything is happening so fast. And this connection in any of the messenger SMS WhatsApp is very crucial. When my summary friends are leaving or needing something, I'm just constantly was messaging them, how are you? Are you what you need, etc. Even they know they can ask. But as I see what worked for me, like the connection was those people who were pushing even me to help me. So maybe TACHELES was active people can can help them and can be easier, because we can make maps we can make cold, please. But it will be changing even like throughout different list of borders with Ukraine, and they are updated on a daily basis. We can make a list of frequent workings but it will be updated. It's also great to have it but without a person you can ask if something has changed or not. He can be proved and I would sell I would I would also add at the end that our value maybe this commitment of helping somebody now it's the Ukrainians then it's maybe to other communities or organisations we can choose to help so we can like learn this lesson and promise ourselves to get into as the our routine one hour per day like giving directed to those who even afraid to ask this what I wanted to add.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your joining us. I know it's hard to even be on this call right now. So thank you for making the time. I want to honour that request and just make it really a specific note of for the Coworking European Coworking assembly to make plans to coordinate some assistance in in different languages in different regions, to be able to assist exactly with that and helping to answer silly questions and find help and verify facts and do research online for folks who are occupied with other things right now. And so we will work to to provide that Vika to our best ability, and we will be in touch about it. Anyone else running an initiative and Alliance, something that's in progress, where you would like to share it as a link of resource or something other people can help with?

I don't have a resource. I just had a question to bigger and more about the actual payment infrastructure over in Ukraine right now. A lot of us who are a little bit further away, would love to support those spaces that are mobilised right now. Is there any way for us to buy day passes? Memberships sign up virtually just to get money into their hands? They can support their communities? Or is that? Is it better to put that money into bigger organisations?

It's a very, in a good way. tricky question. Because for some time I was working on like application or resource when you can book any Coworking space in Ukraine. And it's not ready for now. It's now on the design status. So it will be if it was ready, it will be the easiest way. There is no LiquidSpace or Aplex or something like that, which is popular in Ukraine and everybody uses it. I would say that, let me check and think it's over. How can it be done? In a more like, automatic way?

Let me add to that. Yes, let me do it. Let me just add to that. So the the payment infrastructure in Ukraine is up and running. There is no any, like sanctions or any limitation on transactions. The government only limited the transfer of money to abroad, but within your grand, they can receive payments. So card works, everything works. The base of my information, the customers that we have the integration system and system up and running, everything works just fine. They're just not operating, right? They're just not used. I think we could use because we could actually ask them, How can we support them directly? If they want to receive maybe receive donations or support through the app, we can probably open such a possibility because even you know half of Coworking spaces use endcard. So we can basically open up for payments for the past stuff like that. Then the other the other crowd, we can just ask maybe there's other ways to support them. Maybe they have their own payment page on their website or some kind of deepest. You know, I guess Hector was referring to what the Airbnb guy folks do like they're just renting an apartment in the destroyed city.

Exactly. Well, let's ask let's ask

them you know, Chad. I think that's it.

Think that's a great idea. So we'll get more information from you on the ground first, the best way to do it, and then if there isn't something that's already in place that's easy to distribute funds. We're happy to collect them through idea or three European Coworking assembly and transfer it to Ukrainian Coworking association to then distribute to its members if need be. Pauline, please.

Now I just thanks Ashley and everyone for putting this event together I

just had a question or maybe for ego handicap because you just talked about Airbnb and people booking right now Airbnb across Ukraine to donate could we imagine that spaces could please their spaces on Airbnb in the like experienced part or something so that we can do the same we don't

really need air b&b Because as I said, you know, most of them use end cards and cards there's a payment system connected directly to their account. And it I don't know what Airbnb is done with the fee, right? But as Ashley said, it's important to get as much as possible right of that of that donation to the hands of the people. So I don't know if Airbnb is taking their card. I know like, I know that through the payment system, they'll probably only pay the processing fee like the visa process. And that's all so I think one thing we could do that and most of using online so if we were to do teller, you know how to send the money to them. We just we will just ask them If they don't have they can we can put it as you said on some online platform,

like what they say thank you. Anyone else running an initiative or gathering funds or want to point people towards something that's already in progress or that exists we should all know about?

Okay, so we're going to continue to add resources to the document. I'm going to open up the floor wider than organisers right now and just ask the Coworking the European Coworking assembly, anyone from the Assembly want to say something right now.

Go Janine. Be um so the thing that Amy, hello, Amy just asked about the list of co working spaces in Ukraine, and Hector has an air table that we're working on. There we go. We've got an air table. We're working on. Hector, can you explain how that works? Because I will not do it very well. And you will?

Yeah, sure. So the air table is just essentially a shared Google, this equivalent of Google spreadsheet for folks who haven't used air table before. Our idea there is whatever we add into that can then be embedded onto any website. But it asks for three specific things, name of the space, what they offer, as like, where do they sell day passes, memberships, etc? What do they cost, and then a direct link to where people can pay for that, whether it's their homepage, their portal, their member app, on something like an access, pass, whatever, whatever their preferred way to allow us to support them would be initially we're going to go through those lists on the end cards website and the other lists of Ukrainian lips, Coworking spaces, and build that list. But I think if we can, Igor, if you could give us a list or share who your members are, who would be interested in this kind of assistance, then maybe we start with that, and then we we populate the rest of the list from there. But I will essentially just give you a list of spaces and where you can click

to pay them. Thank you. Is it in the doc, I will make sure it's in the doc. Link is in the doc. Anyone else here from a Coworking Alliance or organisation who would like to speak to the group while we're together? Please raise your hand.

Just to add actually, this, there are a lot of people from the assembly that didn't make this call, who are very less visible than me and Janine, and Joe and people like that, who do things behind the scenes. And we've been tracking down people in all the countries surrounding the Ukraine. And anytime you hear of any one starting a project, because you know, not everybody, a lot of people on this call are very visible in the Coworking universe. And they have an online presence. And there are so many people who have just not had time to put a website up because of the situation they're in. So if you hear them, just put them in direct, indirect contact with us, because something we can do, excuse me, something we can do is give voice to people that just don't have the brainpower to, or the headspace to, you know, tell people about what they're doing. And, and as you reiterated, all the way through this call is, you know, if everyone sends stuff to us, it will help us connect with people who are doing nearly the same thing. And that's, you know, the sunk. You know, a lot of people on this call have almost made a career of doing in Coworking over the last 10 years or so. And it is amazing to see so many people here today. And there are I can think of at least 15 people that said they couldn't make the call when I hear about later. So thanks very much, folks.

Thanks, Bernie. And for all you're doing behind the scenes as well. Um, I know we have to do a lot of visible work of these days. But I also know that many of you are staying up late nights because you're there when I'm calling and you're there when our Ukrainian friends are reaching out as false. So thank you for everyone working behind the scenes right now. Denise, welcome We are muting and unmuting sorry.

That's what happens when I try to use him from my phone and not from my computer. Sorry about that very quickly. So my organisation is about we train either individual groups of individuals, teams as a unit, or leaders and managers and how to work in hybrid and remote ways. So I'm not in the space or the co working space proper. But I do help people understand how to use co working space. And I can't imagine a better way to kind of push back against all of this by picking up your work as if you never left it. So I'd be more than happy to help out anywhere we can and deploy our team to these rapid training sessions. Now, this might come a little further along as people get settled on the basics that they need right now. But once they feel more established, just keep this in mind, we'd be more than happy to lean in to help out anywhere along the way.

Thank you so much, it's really important that we're thinking about these long term solutions as well. You know, once the spotlight is off of Ukraine, and onto the next issue in the news, they're still going to be so much needed from our friends. And I'm really excited to hear that some of you are already thinking about

this. I'm Rita.

Hey, I just wanted to say that I think there's like a lot of common ground here. And definitely the what's the skill that the knees has probably of like, being a trainer of trainer of managers, I think it's really important. And our, our approach was very much about this, like, how can we think about like long term strategies and better like solutions that have like longer term impact? And because our focus is the creative hubs are also thinking about this, like, how do we train people, and this like gathering all these efforts will, I think make a huge difference from like, training, the one who are the ones who are going to welcome so that they do a very good job at this, and they can tackle this, this challenge. And then like on a medium mid term thinking also of like, training opportunities for people who are like looking for looking out for new skills, and they need to like, restructure and you know, like, then coming after this this first, like Shopkins displacement time when you know, like we need to. And I think like the creative hubs also can can have like a very good role in this because we have a lot of makerspaces we have a lot of crafts and artistic spaces, they're like kind of a good starting ground for for this new new chapters. And we also just want to share, like our openness that we decided to not to do anything on our own, and instead joining efforts, because this is also what we believe makes more sense right now. So again, I just want to reiterate our openness to share whatever we can and build up together. And thank you so much for you guys who put this together. That's a sit from my side.

Thank you Reena. Would anyone else like to speak? It could be an offer. It could just be some thoughts now that we are winding down. Any thoughts on? On the Organising we're doing the gaps that we're seeing future initiatives projects? How are you feeling? Any ideas brewing? Maybe for your own organisation? What are your takeaways? Feel free to adjust on Mike.

Ashley Hey, everybody.

Tony bacigalupo, New York City here. One just quick thought that comes to mind is whether there is a specific call to action, that we can propagate amongst the members of the co working spaces that each of us have access to. Pretty much everybody on this call is the tip of the spear for a much larger network in their own local community. So do there exist resources or will there exists resources that are designed to be passed along to those audiences?

That's a fantastic question. Thank you for reminding me to share that. So the Coworking idea project is going to be collecting funds, particularly for our friends from our friends in North America and others outside of Europe. And then we are going to be forwarding it on so we're going to be just collecting directly through the idea project. We will set up a link or two that can be distributed and so for example, Coworking Toronto Coworking Ontario alliances will get this link and all of our fundraising will go to one place and then the idea project can put it to best use and sort of go through our top needs that are identified today, whether that be directly to the spaces or For more humanitarian aid and relief, or just directly handed over to the Ukrainian Coworking association to the side, and that will be in addition to, of course, all the independent ways to contribute directly to spaces, but there will be one link coming from idea for everyone if you don't have a direct channel already.

It also sounds like if people want to find that link, but also any other means of support. nonfinancial basically go to Coworking idea that's going to be kind of the hub we can direct people to to, to learn more.

Yeah, if you're if you're outside of Europe, and you're not a member of in some way or connected to an alliance in Europe, or the European Coworking assembly, you're welcome to reach out to them. They're more than welcome to you know, they're more than welcome any support. But you can also just connect with the idea project because it's an international sort of effort. And we can we can direct funds back to Ukraine and in the European assembly.

And like, nearly every day, the idea project and the Coworking assembly do stuff together. So it's not like, it's not like going to Wells Fargo and the Bank of Taiwan. They're, like, we very coordinated behind the scenes.

Yeah, so these are all all of our sort of our best trusted neutral resources in the industry right now as it relates to this issue. So we know exactly the trail of money and can account for, you know, fees and things like that along the way. So we feel quite comfortable with that. So once we have that, that link, there's already a PayPal link on the idea Project website. If you were just like, it's in Paypal, I just need to move it on. I just saw that there. Venmo PayPal, you could absolutely do that. There's already a link on the IDF page, you can make a note that it's for Ukraine, we're gonna assume that all the funds are coming in over the next couple of weeks are supposed to be directed towards our efforts in Ukraine this fall. So if you need something immediately, you can do that. But we will be sending it out much further, along with some calls to action, and again, elevating everything we learned from our Ukrainian friends today. Anyone else like to share some parting words? How are you feeling? What are you leaving with?

I don't want to keep us longer than we need to be together because I know you all have lots of work to do organising on top of your own day to day work.

Thank you, Ashley. Thanks to everyone here. Everyone who spoke up everyone who helped make this happen. I heartbroken, stirred, moved inspired by all of you. And really, really, I'm glad we're all here. Not glad white. But I'm glad we're here and grateful for all of you. Thank you.

Tony. Any other final thoughts I just like to say thank you all so much for for being here. Today. We fit a lot into our time together. And I know this work will continue to go on this document will be live for a while and continue to evolve. And this will probably be the first of many group calls on what we can do to help now and in the future and how we can replicate and duplicate these efforts for other folks around the world. fleeing war, violence, persecution, oppression, natural disasters. These are systems we're putting in place for for all of us. And so just a reminder that we are fully here for Ukraine today. But we are organising in these ways so that we can be here for each and every one of you tomorrow, if need be. So thank you all for your time. And I hope you have an amazing day. A safe, happy healthy week, and I look forward to working with you all on this and other challenges through the idea project in the future. Thanks for joining