Reality, when we call reality Reality always has two sides to it. The relative side and the absolute side, the Rattler, brown realm of form, the world of phenomena that is, and on the other hand, the world of no form, the formless emptiness, Roshi capital, came up with an analogy that I think is very good. I usually talk about two sides of a coin. What he used to say at introductory workshops was a watch a wristwatch. And just for the purposes of analogy, let's say that the back of the watch has nothing on it. No little etchings or numbers, or the name of the manufacturer or anything, it's blank, the back of the watch is blank. And then you've got the front, the face of the watch, with all those numbers, and the movement of the hands, if it's an analog, but let's say just all those numbers, this, this face is the side of differentiation differences. Change that's the side of the relative the conventional view of things. Even a vast space. The the other side, the side that blank side that's we don't see because it's against our wrist is the side of no thing. No things emptiness shunyata if the face is time, the other side is no time. The changeless eternity there is no watch or coin It has only one side, even if you, if you made a watch that was a millionth of a micrometer thin, there's still another side to it. If there aren't two sides, it has no reality to it.