For sure, and I think there's there's a distinction there between politician and a political leader. Hmm, you know, me, I'm Mister no hierarchy, no leaders, boy, but recognize that there are like, there are people in the community who have a broader audience or, or have a lot of people paying attention or whatever. And they are kind of de facto leaders, they are voices in the city. And politicians think of themselves as that. They think of themselves as the leaders, but really, they're more like the kind of outer limits in the framing that Thursday is giving us they're kind of they said, you know, we might have say Hardesty more on the lefty side, we got a Mingus Mapps on the righty kind of side, but they're, they're setting the limits for what they will allow the city to do to shape itself around, Portlanders and to be shaped by by our decisions and kind of all of the the power players and people funding their campaigns and people working with them are of course in their ear and saying, Well, we can't get rid of all the police yet, right. So it's kind of, whereas before, I kind of found myself thinking, oh, we need to convince these politicians. The reality is, and we identified you can listen to the last episode, some politicians have a political project, some don't. But the reality is, there's no moving of a politician, you need to move the people.