it's happy to do so. So with with for attraction, we did set ourselves the challenge of thinking through what what would transformative climate governance for the EU look like? What would it entail. And then one of the things we sort of decided on earlier on is, let's try and not do this through a sectoral lens this time, so let's not talk through the energy transition, or the electricity transition to the heat transition to the transport to the, you know, buildings and food and agricultural transition. I think there's fantastic work happening in all these spaces. But we thought, okay, let's try and see if we can get a different angle at this. And this is why we ended up with this with these four eyes as kind of cross cutting challenges. And they just kind of structure and define our work in this in this project. So it's the innovation challenge. How do we get to the right local innovation? But also how do we sort of roll them out at scale? So what are the enabling conditions for new solutions to not only be invented in some lab, but actually to be brought to market maturity quickly enough and to be rolled out in the at the scale and at the pace that's needed? The second one is the investment challenge. So obviously, the rebuilding our economy to be a clean, renewable based economy is going to involve massive investments in private homes, in infrastructure, in business, etc. And the question is, how do we mobilize the funds that are needed for that, but also how do we sort of channel and shift the funding that currently still goes also into fossil value chains? How do we sort of manage that that shift, shifting the investment from the, from the fossil to the renewable side from the from the, from the dirty to the clean energies? And what will that do basically also to the to the, to the financial system what what's new governance structures are needed in the financial system. So that's the the investment I'm the third one is infrastructure and the infrastructure challenge being one that basically, you know, when we're talking about different new innovative solutions that could have a role to play. One crucial question is, is there going to be an infrastructure to support them. And, you know, electric vehicles being sort of one obvious example, if you can support electric vehicles all you want, but if you don't have charging infrastructure in place, then it will not be feasible strategy or green hydrogen is similar. You know, it's an interesting application, in which if you talk about sort of decarbonizing certain certain applications, for instance, in industry, but the financial and commercial viability of these solutions depends a lot on whether you can actually get the the hydrogen or the green hydrogen to the plant at reasonable cost. And that is also an infrastructure question. So, you have the question also of, sort of, how do you transition infrastructure? Right. And right now, we have, Europe is full of fossil based infrastructure. And the question is, not all of that will will be needed anymore. So it's about repurposing, rebuilding, but also dismantling some of that infrastructure? How do you sort of organize that process? And it's about overlapping infrastructures. So we talked about, you know, electrification will have a role to play. And so therefore, electricity grids will also have a role to play. But then there may also be instances where different infrastructures are, are competing with each other. So just to give you one example, so you know, the Denmark to the north of Germany has fantastic wind capacities, and there are not far from the point on end scenarios will say, eventually, they will sort of reach this point where they have an overabundance of wind energy domestically that they can sensibly use in Denmark. And then the question is, what do they do with that excess electricity? Do they sort of sell it as electricity to Germany and to to the Netherlands and to Poland, to their kind of southern neighbors in the region. For that to happen, obviously, would need transmission infrastructure for electricity. But the alternative could also be okay, perhaps they also went invest into using that electricity to produce, for instance, green hydrogen, and then instead ship that green hydrogen to other parts of Europe or to send it through a pipeline. So here, we have one question where where sort of infrastructure really determines which political choices or political choice determine what infrastructure we need, but also a coordination problem, because that's sort of something that it's not only sort of, it's not only a Danish decision, it's basically a decision that eventually, of course, Denmark, and Germany and Netherlands would agree on some some kind of outcome for themselves. So that's the infrastructure dimension. And the last one is the integration of the fourth is about integration. And this sort of goes back to indeed, also these these very questions of how do you align decision making happening in different sectors. So with the with a transformation, we are seeing a change that is faster than we've seen in the past, that is more profound and sort of deeper than it's been in the past. But it's also broader because it is happening in different sectors at the same time. So we see basically, an energy transition, a mobility, transition, a an industrial transformation. All these things happening in parallel, and needing to be coordinated in some degree, infrastructure was kind of an obvious example. But there's also other other sort of ways of keeping that interlinked. And the question is, how do you make for that kind of integrated governance, where in the past policy approaches were mostly about, you know, what's, what's the strategy in Sector a, what's the standard strategy and set up? So how do we align that that's kind of what we what we set out for integration. And as you might have already noticed, then these different eyes are perhaps interesting challenges to look at. But then of the, at the meta level, they are also interrelated. So the infrastructure challenge is, in his own way, also an investment question of you know, who pays for that infrastructure? Is it better public public funded? Or is it privately funded? Who is taking on what share with the risk and how do you sort of compensate for for stranded assets and infrastructure is very much a financial investment question. Innovation is fine, but doesn't happen without infrastructure. So the innovation and the infrastructure dimension also, of course, are interrelated. And obviously integration is sort of a challenge that cuts across all these so in themselves, they're also Um, they're also sort of interrelated challenges. Now, that's basically the logic of these four eyes. And this is kind of the the, the, at the, at the abstract level, kind of the experiment we're doing with this with this research project to see if it can give us new new insights to thinking about European climate policies is a bit of sort of explaining what the project is all about what it's doing, it did set out with the with sort of first a stock taking and backward looking components. Right now, we are conducting numerous case studies, at the European level, for examples where countries have taken steps towards transformative policies, these are being conducted by different partners all across Europe, we have also looked at sort of some international experiences, to see where we could find examples of transformation happening. And we are, we've just sort of launched basically the first the second half of the project, which then will be sort of more forward looking, which is more about exploring. Okay, so given all this, how could and how should you climate policy evolve? Basically, with it with a sort of Horizon, after 2030. So if you want it's about we talked about fit for 55 Already fit perfect vibes kind of the current the hottest game in town in Brussels, the current proposal on the table for changes to the setup of EU climate policy in the, in the next years to take effect, basically, until 2030. We're taking basically we asking the question, okay, what comes after that package? What's kind of the the next one that might follow it?