up. Yeah, but it's normal. Like that's a normal case. Oh, yeah. And, and we, we often say like people will, at, at work and in all kinds of workplaces try to look busy, even when they're not busy, because if they look like they have things under control, they're like, somebody's just gonna give me more work. If I don't look like I'm about to quit, because there's too much for me to do. Somebody will give me more tasks, or I will get downsized. Yeah, right. So this, this idea of like, stress equals performance. And work that's done with a peaceful mind is you're not working hard enough, is capitalism. And it's scarcity, culture, and hustle culture. And it's all of these things such that we've built these really harmful associations of important things that we want to do like learn stuff or accomplish tasks or be there for our friends or follow through on tasks. And we, those are all good things, and we should want to do them. But we're like, I don't think I'm doing it right. Unless my hair's falling out in clumps, and I'm grinding my teeth, and I can't sleep, right. That's how I know I really care about doing a job and that is fucked up. And also, it's counterproductive, right? So one of the things I'm getting, getting my students to do, like so the reasons they were coming to meet me was about their participation portfolios, because I was trying to inculcate in them some deep learning and deep learning things like come to class, great. Read the textbook. Great. Those are both active, right? So reading a textbook, you're taking in new information, and you're making notes. Great. You come to class, I asked you a bunch of like, jackass questions about what's the difference between broadcast and cable, and everybody looks at me blankly, and then I make them google it. And then we write stuff on the board. We do that it's pretty busy. We're like, working together. And then but like, the next stage of learning is, is tranquility. Right? It's the classic shower thoughts. That's what you need. Right? Like, yeah, like, back in the day. This like Charles Darwin's famous thing, most, like very accomplished writers, scientists and stuff. They have a lot of blank space, where they're just like walking around in their lives. And the ideas are cogitating, right. And my students are taking like five courses, that's like 15 hours of instruction, time, and whatever writing they're doing, and they're commuting. And they're like working jobs. And it's like what you need, you're never gonna learn this material unless you take a minute, like, say on Friday, we have class on Tuesday, Thursday on Friday and take 10 minutes in this journal, I'm giving you prompts and be like, what did I learn this week? Yeah. What is something I'm stuck on? What is something about my own study habits that I think were great this week? Or like, you know, if I was writing an exam question, what would I write? Because that's like, you're just letting your brain kind of have a empty space, where you're allowed to just sort of have free flow, thoughts about things and like, it turns out parallel bills, I'm just noticing now, that's what I've done with my semester, right? I've built in these blank spaces. Yeah, what I've learning from having conversations with students or going to class, I'm a letting it consolidate in my head, right? By giving it enough space so that learning can happen, because you can't just stack up. It's like we're all collecting acorns. And then we don't know where we put them. Right? Like they don't, it doesn't, if you don't take a system to organize it, or they cook them or like shelve them or do something with them, then you just collected a bunch of stuff that's of no use to you. And sooner or later, you're gonna forget where you put it, and you might as well never have done it. Right. But you looked really busy the whole time. So you must be doing a good job. And, and so yeah, I'm trying to get them to, to know you can't schedule every minute of the day, right? Things are productive, even when you're not doing anything. Sometimes you just need to be talking with your dog. And you're like, Man, I don't even get how this like cable thing is different. It's like satellite and cable the same thing. I was like, whoa, whoa, wait, hold on, I get it. Right. Like, you just need to leave some space for that thinking to happen. And I think as we come out of the pandemic, and you and I have our family crises, like we need some time and space to just let shit land. Yeah, right. We've been experiencing everything at incredibly high speed and high intensity and a system of crisis, where in both of our jobs, we've been constantly asked by our superiors to extend flexibility and compassion for the people who are going through it, right. But we are also the people who are going through it. Yep. And we need that blank space. Like I have an hour and a half between my two classes. So teach one to 230 and then four to 530. And what I've been doing in that period between class number one and class number two is I push my two office chairs together, and I lie down and I put a blanket on and I do the Sudoku in the New York Times. And they are frantically prepping because I know I actually it's very energy intensive for me to teach. And if I'm going to teach three hours in one day, I can't shove a bunch of work in between the two classes I'm just going to burn out. So I'm like I'm counting that as like part of my work day because yeah, to do that performance a second time, right, different material, different students I need to calm down, I need to refill my bucket so that I could make a cup of joke when I get there instead of just being like, did I say this already without my other class?