Well, I love what you said before, around, sort of framing up the mindset piece, because I think one of the things that we don't realize is, we think that mindset work is sort of optional, like I either do mindset work, or I don't, the reality is, is that we all have certain mindsets. And so the work is either around having a mindset that's beneficial to our work, or having a mindset that's really harmful to our work. So whether or not you're sort of thinking that you're actively doing mindset work, it's not like the alternative of that is like a neutral place, right? The alternative of that is actually then having involuntary, subconscious, harmful mindsets that actually hold you back from being able to achieve your goals. And so when we talk about energy and empathy, in particular, for me, those are two components that are so intimately affected by our mindset, right? So empathy, being having the ability to put ourselves in someone else's shoes, right. And I think oftentimes, in the nonprofit sector, we sort of quickly say, Oh, well, we are like some of the most empathetic people, right? We're doing this really, like important heart centered work. And I'm not saying that's not true. But that isn't empathy. Empathy is our ability to see the world through someone else's eyes. And what makes empathy really hard is when we're stuck in things like scarcity mindset, when we have tunnel vision, when we're overwhelmed and stressed, we can't when we're in that place energetically, this is like where it sort of all comes together, when we're in that place, when we feel that like dread, or like drowning sensations that nonprofit leaders know so well. How can we then put ourselves in someone else's shoes, right? We can't the energy I call I talk about the difference between anabolic and catabolic energy a lot. catabolic energy is this really depleting, defeating energy. It's like we wake up in the morning, we're like, oh, I don't want to start another day. That is catabolic energy, and it wears us down. And I'll have leaders come to me all the time and say, you know, I, I'm not working more than 40 hours a week, but I'm so tired. And I feel like the pandemic has actually really taught us this. And I'm like, It's not about the amount of hours you're working that leads to burnout and, and all those things. It's how much time you're spending in catabolic energy, this tunnel vision, this judgment, all those things. Anabolic energy, on the other hand, is really fueling energy. It's like some people describe it as like flow state, right? When we're like in that state of flow, there's a prison of opportunity there, right, there's, and that's where we can activate empathy, because we have the energy to be able to be empathetic. And when we can be empathetic as fundraisers and nonprofit leaders, our ability to lead our teams to build really sustainable, mutually beneficial partnerships, all of those things is just drastically improved. So I think the you asked me, Where do people start, and I think the very first place that people start is just with awareness around the relationship between those pieces, and the need to sort of bring that level of consciousness to how we're showing up and how we're thinking about these components.