Welcome to the sovereign heart podcast, where we get to talk about what it takes to live love and build relationships from the unlimited potential of your heart. My name is Michaela rose. I'm the polyamorous dating and relationship coach, artist, lover, communication, nerd, total water bender and heart centered weirdo, and I'm so honored to be alive at the same time as you how great is that the world is a changing place, and so are the ways we love and support one another, within and beyond the paradigms of monogamy, polyamory, nonviolent, communication, polarity, tantra, attachment, twin flames, dating, kink and more, there is one thread that weaves us all trust, a nutrient that is only created from a willingness to go first, the discernment to call a red flag red crystal clear communication and a little bit of faith in the unknown. I am so excited to be on this journey with you. Let's dive in.
Hello, sovereign hearted beings, and welcome to another episode of the sovereign heart podcast. My name is Michaela rose Soleil, your host, your lovely human in this moment in time that speaks on things about the heart, which is why today we're talking about Living from the heart. And I've brought my beloved my partner, Keegan, on this episode today, mostly because I thought it would be fun to have a conversation about what it really means to live from the heart. This is called the sovereign heart podcast, and I think that Living from the heart is a huge core part of how I live my life and how Keegan lives his life. And I think that we have some overlaps there and maybe some differences that we could share about and weave together with him. So hi, Keegan. Say hello, hello,
yay. And also a little caveat here,
this will be a super short, super sweet episode, because we are both home very sick right now. So if you notice the little cough and twang in our voices, we both got very sick, so we thought it'd be fun to do a little podcast while we're both homesick. So come and, you know, maybe get a warm cup of tea, some nice honey. It's really nice for the throat.
Whether you're sick or not, you do not need to be sick. Do listen to this podcast, but please come join us and have a chat and get curious about what it means to you to to live from your heart. Yay.
All right, so the first question I have is, what does it mean to live from the heart? What does it mean to live from your heart? And I'll ask this to you, Keegan, first.
Well, I when I hear that, I think
it's kind of like what Abraham Hicks said, instead of thinking what you want to do, and then your action does it. Your action comes first, and then you think about it like when you're walking by somebody who's sitting there begging for change, your first instinct is to just give them $1 and then as you walk, you think, yeah, okay, I have enough. That's fine. That's okay. And with Living from the heart, it's the same way. Your first instinct is to come from love and to help, whether that's going to put yourself in harm's way, or it's going to maybe not work out the best for you in the long run, maybe, maybe you give somebody
your spot in line, or you pay for their groceries, just because that's overwhelming. What comes up first for you, I want to do that, and then you kind of worry about, or not even worry, but then you might think, Okay, can I have afford to do that, or I am late for work? Should I have given them time to go in front of me? Right? So your your brain comes in later to wonder what your action and why you did that, but your heart already knew it's to help. I want to help someone and and for me, that's what Living from the heart is, and that's what I try to do every day.
Beautiful. Yeah, that's interesting, because I'm also hearing that, you know, they're Living from the heart is a beautiful thing, but also, you know, like you, like you said, giving your last dollar when you have nothing, or being late to work, to give somebody else the not being late for work pass, or whatever it's like, there is this sense of the the head, the mind, being in connection with the heart. Because I think there, there's something to say that, like going about in the world.
Open hearted is such a beautiful thing, and also there's a naivety to it. I think when you when you first really open your heart. I mean, if you were born and have lived with an open heart your whole life, like, that's amazing. And maybe you know this already, but for me, I feel like my heart was pretty closed down, you know, for a good portion of my life, all throughout my my my teenage years, and kind of like early 20s, and it took me a long time to really understand what it is to live with an open heart and clear that channel and really open. And part of that learning was learning that, if I just go around with my open heart, you know, the first times that I remember feeling this such, this openness and profound, wow, just like love and compassion and connection to life and all that is
through, you know, various ways that I that I found that within myself, there is this sense of needing there to be discernment. You know, the mind needs to also come in and say, whoa. Wait a second. What have we learned? What have we learned about, you know, being an open hearted being in the world, and how can we channel this love and this openness and this desire to want to live from the heart, to want to do good, to want to be loving, to want to care. How can I channel this in such a way that it will not only you know, feel good for me, but impact others in a good way and not leave me necessarily depleted or like empty or feeling like I somehow overgave myself, right? Because that energy of giving and even giving like at the last drop of your capacity can feel so good if it's truly from the heart, right? Because there's a difference between altruism, you know, and and selflessness and martyrdom, right? Like, like, like, giving of yourself for the sake of yourself, right? Like, because that's not necessarily Living from the heart anymore, then you're letting your mind and the ego and you know, like I need to be a good person or whatever, I need to be seen as this good person, be more important than the true nurturing capacity of the heart that is often a lot more subtle and a lot softer than than we think.
I agree, I think, for to give an example of what it's like living from the heart. We live in a small town, and living here, if I left an expensive piece of equipment near on the side of a building somewhere, as I was visiting a friend, and I forgot it, I could be 95% sure that it's going to be there. When I come back in a day or two, it'll just still be there. Because everyone around here, not everyone, but a predominant amount of people, 95% Yeah, around here, uh, respect other people's belongings, and they'll know, well, that's not mine. That's a nice piece of equipment. Somebody's really gonna miss that. I'm not gonna, you know, maybe I'll even ask around, you know, who's that is there? I'm sure they're looking for it, right? And to give people an idea of that, it's, it's the stereotypical Andy Griffith Mayberry, you know, where you have just everybody is kind and loving. And if you see somebody on the side of the road hitchhiking, you pull over and you say, hey, where you going? Where are you coming from? And just being loving like that. And that's an example of how to live coming from the heart,
you know, that's that's interesting. And I feel so blessed to live in the town that we do, and to live in such a lovely place. And also, I think that's just not the reality for a lot of people, you know, for a lot of cities and, like, different places in the world, that there's not this kind of, you know, there's love you're mentioning, but it's also safety, you know, like, that's, it's very dependable. So I'm curious. It's like, how do we, how do we live from the heart, even when the environment, like, even when our surroundings are not necessarily conducive to to love? Yeah, and that open heartedness? Well,
that is the number one question, isn't it? I think an example what I could give is I went to New York City in 2018 before any of the COVID stuff, before anything like that. It was just New York City, Manhattan. And I think everybody listening to this knows the reputation that New York has right. Crime, gritty, slums, blah, blah, blah. When I went there, I went there with an electric unicycle, and I toured the whole city, and what I found was people living in love coming from their heart. There's none of that you cut me off. Hey. Screw you and or I never saw that. That was the stereotypical 1970s 1980s New York. But it's not like that. Or at least it wasn't when I visited. It was Living from the heart. I'd see homeless guys walk up, sit down next to me, and then just start up a conversation, and I'd start talking with them, and the guy was a PhD doctorate, and he just ran on into some hard times. Now he's just living however he can, and now that he's been homeless for so long, it's hard to get a job, it's hard to find employee, it's hard to get a place. And I was like, wow, but he was still open hearted. He would sit down and just have a conversation with me, and I thought that is so beautiful. And then I would see people in line, and they didn't have enough money to cover their food, and I just pay for them, and they were so thankful. And it's, it's one of those, if everybody took care of everybody, nobody would have to worry or wonder or be homeless, I think for now granted, there are some people who enjoy, you know, not being plugged into the system, and I get that. But I think Living from the heart, it was a good example, where everywhere around you there was the quote, unquote, temptation to steal or to harm somebody, or to do whatever you want, to negatively impact them, and people just weren't taking that. There were things left on the side of the building, like I gave it in an earlier example, that it wasn't one of those rent a bikes. It was a really nice electric bike that clearly was not rentable. It was like a few $1,000 and this was someone's personal bike, and it wasn't chained up. It was just propped up against the building. And I thought, Wow, that's so beautiful. I want to see more of that. And that's in New York. I looked around, and this is the city of cities, and here somebody felt so confident, and maybe they weren't even thinking about it. They're like, Oh, I'm just gonna go right in and get something. And they just left their bike there and go do whatever they did. And there was a level of trust in that act. And I think Living from the heart is also living in trust.
I love that so much. Yeah, absolutely, because I think, or I feel, I know, you know, in my own you know you're talking about going to New York and, like, I think of travel and stuff like that. And I've always felt that when I feel connected to my heart, when I can trust in my heart, when I can trust in my my soul, you know, when I can remember, Oh yeah, I'm just a little human with this beautiful little body inhabiting a soul, you know, just like, holy crap, right? Then I can feel so held, and I can feel so trusting of my own heart, you know, to guide me, and that has been the thing, because I think that experience that you had of New York, it's like that might not be everyone's experience. Somebody could go and see lots of crime and lots of terrible things happening, you know, or not, or anywhere in between. And I'm sure that people that live there might have a completely different idea or things you know about New York, right? But one thing that I've seen to be consistent, you know, when I've traveled or just going out, you know, to the town, or whatever I'm doing, when I'm in that place of connection with my heart and I lean in to trust, I'm also leaning into my intuition. I'm also leaning into my own little inklings of like, go here and not there, oh, yeah, that, that discernment, a trust bubble, yeah, a heart bubble. And I think it has such an impact, you know, on your own life and the way that you see the world, and the way that you see others, and also the way that people feel, you know, when, when they're around you, when they're when they're in your little bubble, in your vicinity, you know. And one thing I want to, wanted to mention, before we move on from, from this question, was that, you know, Keegan, you were telling me the other day about this space in the heart and and this little, this little space in the heart. So you know what I'm talking about. So I want to hear more about that.
Well, this comes from during the low Melchizedek work, after he did the flower, the Merkaba Flower of Life meditation, he said that was only good for the 90s. Now, after 2012 we need to drop that. That's not our meditation anymore. We need to focus on the heart. And he said there's actually a small space in the heart. And the tiny space in the heart, they're not the same. They're two different areas. And the tiny space in the heart is kind of like the heart of the heart. It's right in the center, and there's a gap. And scientist doc. Doctors have realized that if you pass even floss through that gap, instant death, the the person is severed from their connection, and they die, whether they had a chance to live or not. The moment something passes through that gap, they're gone. You have cut their ties to this body, and I find that so very esoteric and beautiful, because that is where we are. The center of our heart is a gap, a space for basically, I think of it as like a space for all that exists to exist. And if you live practicing meditation with that tiny space of the heart, your own heart bubble expands, and the people around you will feel that, and you're sending that loving, naive, but loving energy. And when I say naive, I don't mean well, you're gonna get ripped off or taken advantage of. Naive, as in, child like innocence, innocent, yeah, yeah, the beautiful child like innocence, that is pure love just comes radiating out of you, and animals pick it up. Squirrels come walking up to you, dogs who might be vicious and bark, just calm down and come up and like lick your hand, and they can feel that energy. They know you're not a threat. There's nothing about you that is threatening. And in fact, not only not threatening, but loving,
beautiful. Beautiful. This puts me, like, right into the space of, kind of wanting to share one of the ways that I connect, and I was going to ask this question later, is like, how do we come back to Living from the heart when we get pulled out of it? You know, when we get pulled in all the sorts of different directions and all that kind of stuff. And one of the things that that I do, that I just love to share in this moment I just feel called to share, is really to just tune into that space, you know. So we're talking about this little gap in the heart. And so maybe you can actually tune in as you're listening, you know, take a moment and just notice that space, like noticing that there is a spaciousness there, and just allowing your breath to take you deeper into the noticing the breath as this nourishing resource that lets you know that it is safe to be in the heart. It is safe to be in this space, to be with this space. And as you feel that, you can really start to feel the little pulsations, vibrations, waves, however you sense this emanation from the heart. I often love to imagine this little center of the heart as this source of infinite love, such deep, unconditional love and such deep compassion. And as you breathe and as you feel the pulsations, the vibrations, the billowing of the center of the heart. It can feel so delicious. Just to add an inhale, really notice those qualities. Notice the love, the compassion, anything else you might need right now, and as you exhale, just feeling that like a loving elixir or a wave or a vibration move through your entire body out from the center of your heart. Just two more times here, just inhaling into the center and exhale, maybe sighing out, exhaling the love all throughout your entire body. One more.
Yeah, little shake, little wiggle, little coming back, yeah, and already, just just doing that, I can feel myself a little bit more centered, a little bit more present, a little bit more more curious. Yeah, beautiful. Also,
if. Helps imagine in your mind, your dearest loved one, whether it's partner or a child or a parent or an uncle or even your dog or cat or maybe your favorite animal, like a little lemur or squirrel, whatever it is, just whatever brings you such joy just by simply thinking about it. That's a good place to start.
Um, I love that so much. And that's such, such an access point, too, when we can't find the love and the compassion for ourselves to be able to notice, well, how would I How would I talk to a friend? How would I talk to my favorite animal, like you're saying, and that's actually a beautiful practice. Or if, if Living from the heart is something you feel challenged by, or you're not really sure what that means, or you find it challenging to have that love and compassion, or, as we were doing that meditation, you're like, I can't feel any of that. This is, this is actually a beautiful practice that I, that I offer my clients at times is to actually write yourself like a love letter, you know, from your biggest fan or from your best friend or from the lover you've always wanted, or from your partner or whoever it is, right that and you can, you can make them up. They can be an imaginary friend that just have views you in the deepest love and compassion and reverence and just honor and all the things, and really write a letter about what this person sees in you and how they view you from the lens of their love for you. And it could be such a, such a profound, revelatory practice, right? For seeing, Whoa, cool, right? Because, because it's still you, you're able to just access it. You're able to, you know, we talked about the head being in alignment with the heart, but the head also gets in the way sometimes, and our mind gets in the way of being able to, you know, really, really feel those things. So, so doing this can be a way to kind of bypass some of those little judgment brain things and get deeper into that beautiful so we went on to my third question. So now I'll backtrack a little bit, and I'm curious, what does it mean to live from the heart in relationships, so in our intimate relationships, in you know, the one on one, connections that we have, right? Like people that were closest to us, maybe our partner, maybe our dog, maybe your maybe your neighbor, maybe your family, you know, mom, dad, kids, whatever it is, what does it mean to live from the heart in relationship?
That's an extra Excellent question for me. What it means is to see, kind of put yourself in their shoes, put yourself in their place. If I were them, what would I want to hear from? Well, me, you know, like with Michaela, if, if we're having a disagreement, oftentimes it's difficult to take yourself out of that disagreement. Um, one, one thing that I've done from time to time is I stop and I say, Okay, I we're having a disagreement. I want my point to be made clear. I'm sure she wants her point to be made clear and to be received. So how can I do that? And if I can work to see where they're coming from and give them what I think they they're asking for, or even if they're telling me what they're asking for, I do my best in the moment to do that, and if I really can't at that moment, then I will go ahead and do This. Love practice, and it's part of what I what I've called authentic soul connection, but it's calming down, taking yourself out of the equation. You're removed. There is no in my case, there is no Keegan. There is just Michaela, and there is the desire for Michaela to be heard. So let's hear Michaela. And when I can do that, remove myself and just listen that's Living from the heart that is paying attention with all of your senses to what is being said and processing it through your heart, through love. Here's data coming in. Instead of going right to my brain and processing it and logically assimilating what's being said, I bypass that have the in the data come through my ears. But then. Down through my heart, and it's that whole Christian What would Jesus do? Aspect. But in this case, it's more along the lines of, what would love do? If, if you're not religious and and you don't buy into that, then what would love do? And the easiest way is to just bypass whatever you're hearing, put it through the heart. What would the heart say the the loving aspect? There's a reason why we we associate love with the heart and not with the lungs or the kidneys or anything like that, because there is an actual frequency that comes from your heart that is calming, soothing, loving, and when you process this data through your heart then into the brain, you'll see things that you didn't before. You'll understand where they're coming from, because you'll have an earnest desire to be there with them and to listen and give them what they need, and that fills you up. And then they're overwhelmed with being heard and listened to, and their walls soften. And then they say, I can understand why you were so argumentative and standoffish. Maybe I didn't explain it properly, and you misinterpret, like the argument just fizzles away, because love diffuses it. That's, that's, that's the real love bomb, the
good, the good kind of love bomb, yeah. Thank you so much. That's so beautiful. And Keegan briefly mentioned authentic soul connection, and I just wanted to give some context to that. But you know, we've been together now for about three years, and throughout that time, I was always kind of bringing in all the stuff I love to talk about, like nonviolent communication and exquisite listening and all the ways we have another episode that we did together on exquisite listening and specifically how to do those kind of practices. So they are still really helpful. I'm not doubting them. But in these three years, you know, of talking about all of that, you know, there's, there's, it's weird, because a lot of the tools out there, a lot of the things that I I bring, you know, to to the relationships I love and hold dear to me are very structured in a lot of ways, you know. And Keegan has been a beautiful teacher for me, personally, of understanding that the structure is only as valuable as it feels in integrity and it feels good and it feels nourishing, right? And so there was this three years of bringing these tools and practicing these things, and it always felt a little bit sticky. It always felt a little bit like, ah, kind of like, like, like nails on a
chalkboard, or, like, sandpaper and almost manufactured,
yeah, yeah, because Keegan is, Keegan is not a manufacturable hate human and so he kept on resisting it, kind of like, like scraping up against it, like, all right, I'll do these things because you say it can help us, but I'm just not really fully into it. And just about a month ago, just about a month ago, we're sitting there on the couch. It's like any old Tuesday, whatever. I don't know what day it was, and out of the blue, I totally feel his energy shift like that, just like that, like I don't even know what brought it on. I don't know what the what the impetus was. I think it was just a lot of different things all coalescing all at once. It was
the way you described something. I forget what because it was in the moment, but you use terminology to define what holding space was, and it was the same terminology you used for something else about listening intently, listening with with your heart, with love, and just when you gave the same definition for holding space that you did for that, it clicked for me. Oh, oh. Okay, so it's not about me defending myself against what you're saying you feel I said, or whatnot, it's removing myself from the situation so I could actually listen to you, thus holding Oh, aha. And from that moment on, I just become love when she has a problem, when she wants to work it out, or when I want to work it out, I just, okay, let click in be love. Let's just, let's just love through this. And we do, but that's what it was, beautiful.
Yeah, that makes so much sense. That makes so much sense. And. Was just so profound. The energetic shift, like, I'm a very empathic being, and the energetic shift, I felt it was amazing. And I was like, whoa. I almost didn't trust it. Actually, I was like, I kept on asking him. I was like, what authentic soul connection. Okay, so what it what does that mean you're gonna go, like, back to normal tomorrow? But then it was backed by action, right? It was this energetic shift, but it was backed by a shift in how he showed up and actually held space and was listening, because it finally made sense. The connection between head and heart had been made, you know, and that kind of brings me back to what I was thinking about when you were sharing what you were sharing just now, and we were talking about this the other day, but really, you know what you're talking about, of making that journey from the head to the heart, processing the information, not through the head, but, you know, going down and processing it through the heart really opens up that capacity to listen, to listen, to hold space deeply all of that. And then it makes me think about that anytime that we're doing these practices, anytime that we're and we're talking here about Living from the heart in relationship, what that means to me is really paying attention and getting so so curious. What can clear the heart channel between my heart and this beautiful being in front of me. What do I need to do for myself, right? If it's on my end, like if I got some Coretta in there, I gotta clear that out a little bit. Do my own little loving self care practices? Da, da, da? Or is there something that we need to talk about? Is there something that we need. Is there something that we as a couple need to to? You know, do we need a little getaway just to get our minds somewhere else? Will that help to clear the channel? Is there something else that we can try? Is there a deeper intimacy? When's the last time that we had a date, right? How can we get into that place of being in service to that channel, right? Because then we're being in service to the heart. We're being in service to each of our hearts, and we're being in service to clearing and opening and maintaining that channel of love flowing between us. Because I think that's when relationships fall apart, whether they're intimate, romantic relationships or familial relationships or whatever it is work relationships. When that heart channel gets clogged up with all the things unsaid, with all the shared wounding unprocessed, with all the things that we're unwilling to look at or hold or be with fully, our channels get clogged, you know? And that's when we see relationships fall apart, and we see people that we love fall out of our lives, right? And that doesn't mean that everyone in your family or everyone you love is always going to be willing or available to do what it takes to clear the channel of the heart, but you can always remain that open loving space, even for somebody that doesn't want to be either right, even for somebody that's not ready or willing to meet you in that channel, not to say that you have to wait around for somebody that's not going to show up, you know, and do the work of learning what it means to, you know, connect from the heart and all of that. But it does mean that you can be that loving person and that loving being, and you free yourself right from needing to make it better, from needing to make anything different than it is, because you're keep keeping your channel clean. You're keeping your channel, your heart, channel between you and that person, clear and open and free.
Yeah. And I think the greatest test and how you'll know you quote, unquote past is if you find somebody that you disagree with politically or with religion or with how they're raising their child or how they're raising their dog or whatever, if there's something that's really dear and important to you and you're running up against somebody who does not have that, can you remain love? Can you be love and loving, even in the space where it's diametrically opposed to your own belief system? That is the true test. And I think that is the test that everybody is having to go through right now, and you pass when you can smile and thinking of them, they're not an enemy or an opponent or somebody that you hate, they are a loving being who simply holds a different point of view, and that's it,
and that's a beautiful thing, right? Because learning about this little space in the heart, we know that at the core of all of it, any conflict, anything that's not working, any crap in the channel between us, it's all still just coming from that little space in the heart. The tiny space, the tiny space in the heart, when we dissolve everything down to what it is, you know, beneath these human bodies, beyond this kind of the Maya, the illusion of being alive and being human, and what it is to be here, really that little space in the heart, tiny space in the heart keeps correcting me. Tiny space in the heart is actually so, so, so vast and so wide beyond what we could possibly fathom with our with our simple human minds. You know we can really only fathom it with the heart. So I know we said we'd do a short episode here, and I'm sure both of our voices are getting to their their capacity. So I just want to end with with gratitude, you know, any, any kind of gratitude. And I just wanted to say I'm so grateful for you all for listening and for showing up and going on this journey of the sovereign heart, and what it means to be on that path. And yeah, and I'm so grateful for Keegan, for being here and for our hearts that are willing to show up here and share with you, even when we're feel our bodies are a little bit trodden a little bit under the weather. Yeah. Any gratitudes from you, Keegan, before we wrap up,
just grateful to be alive, to have this experience, to to know you and to live with you, and to learn so much, so much from you, and to just just gratitude that there is a thing called gratitude.
Yay. Thank you Keegan, so much, and thank you all so much for
this. Thanks for listening to our little talk about what we talk about.
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. All right. Loves. Thank you so much, and we will see you in a couple weeks with the next episode. Okay, bye, bye.
