July 31, 2025 AZBSN Digital Access Task Force Recording

6:38PM Jul 31, 2025

Speakers:

Steve Peters

Mala Muralidharan

Brian Daly

Kelly Krusee

Anthony Constantini

Randy Luening

Scotty Ward

Tony Conover

Keywords:

cybersecurity mentorship

workforce development

spectrum auctions

fiber network growth

5G deployment

public safety communications

digital divide

broadband office

application review

procurement guidelines

cybersecurity career ambassadors

incident response team

digital equity

spectrum strategy

FCC responsibilities

Okay, good morning. Everybody not sure what's what's going on. Expected to see more people this morning, and they're going to miss out, because we've got some great presentations this morning. And so let's just, let's just get started here with a couple of announcements. First of all, we're not going to meet on the 14th. My wife is going to be having surgery early in the morning, and so I will not be available for that meeting on the seventh, I believe, and I have to confirm again this morning, but I believe on the seventh that Carlos Contreras, the Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, is going to be here to talk to us about what they're doing, talking about what kinds of things we think need to be done, regard to our particular interest in workforce Development and so forth. So that's going to happen. I believe we're confirmed on this element. So that's just a couple of things that I wanted to to mention and see what else see who else is here this morning. So let's, let's just get jump into it. So this morning, we're going to hear from Scotty Ward, who's the founder of cybersecurity Cincy mentorship mentorship program, and also has a really amazing and phenomenal cybersecurity background. And so we're going to hear from him in just a little bit. And then from Bryan daily, who most of you know. Bryan's been a pretty regular attendee at our meetings, and he's going to be, he's with the AT and T, he's a fellow and vice, an Associate Vice President with AT and T, with wireless technology and standards, and he is going to give us a little more of an update on what's happening. Particularly, with the big, big bill and the impact for wireless and so forth. And then he's also going to talk to us about some of the major investments that AT and T is going to be making here in Arizona. So we're going to hear about that. And then I don't think Lucy's here this morning, so we probably won't hear from her from the force for health. So that's kind of the agenda for this morning. And Oh, oops, I forgot one of the most important things. As Kelly crucey is back, as you heard earlier, she's back from her trips, and is also not being silent, sort of silence, still about what's happening with the broadband office and so forth. And so actually, Kelly, I'm going to turn it over to you, and you want to give us a quickie update and just a reminder that there's some things that Kelly can't talk about, and I'm sure she'll, she'll mention that. So with that, Kelly, I'm going to turn it over to you.

Great. Thank you, Steve. First, is it okay if I share my screen?

Absolutely okay. Good

morning everyone. Steve said, I'm Kelly crusty, the Community Engagement Manager for the state broadband office. And as always, my biggest challenge is speaking and navigating the screen at the same time. So we're going to do this. It's a good thing I'm not chewing gum. All right, so you should be seeing my website that has the bead screen. Is that correct? Yes, okay, perfect. Great. All right. So I've got this, and then also I'm gonna pop open this. It's an email. Do you see the with the commerce authority logo at the top? Is that what you see? Yeah, okay, perfect. Sometimes I don't share the right thing. So some updates from our office. We have been dark for a little bit, not attending this meeting because we were in the benefit of the bargain. Bargain round, the application window was open for two weeks, and that did close last week. So some updates on that number one Tuesday of this week. We sent out an email with some updates. If you did not receive this email that I'm showing on the screen. It was sent Tuesday at 2:07pm so around that time frame, you could search for benefit of the bargain in your email. If you did not get that, just plug your email into the chat. I'll forward it to you, get you added on our list, and I will always put this disclaimer out the email system we use, I frequently go through to check to see who is opted out, and I will check with people. So for instance, I know there's a couple people on this call today where I emailed yesterday saying, Hey, I noticed your opted out. And the response is, I didn't do that. So not sure how that's happening. I'm keeping an eye on it, but if you ever don't get anything, just let me know and I'll get it fixed right away. So this email, like I said, was sent Tuesday, and it does have. Uh, some of the details at a high level, as far as what happened. So two weeks, benefit of the bargain was open, closed last Tuesday at 4pm Mountain Standard Time. And we did receive 206 applications total, um, which was great. And we received an application for every project area in the state. So that is full coverage that was picked up. And we're talking all technologies. So this is, you know, fiber, hybrid satellite that includes everything. And so now what happens is we are starting to go through all these 206 applications, and they were submitted by 28 different entities. So 28 different providers submitted these. We do have that list on our website of who was eligible to apply. If I go back to the website here, I'll show you where that was.

Kelly, while you're looking for that, I will send you I did find the email from that you guys sent, and I will forward that this morning.

Perfect. Okay, so on our website, and I'll put this link in the chat right here. I'm showing where we have the list of pre approved and eligible applicants. And so this is an Excel sheet. You just click on that and download it, and you'll get the list of everyone who was eligible to apply. I think there are 30 or 31 names or applicants on there, and in the end, we received from 28 so not everyone who was eligible actually submitted an application. But now our next steps are this, obviously going through these applications, and then we need to start having conversations with the bitters, essentially. So going into review and negotiations for this and with the new restructuring guidance, we have such a limited timeline to do this, as does every state, so we're still working up against that September 4 deadline of submitting that final proposal and go working backwards from that. We know that our application review negotiations, we're expecting all of that to hopefully be done by August 15, and then we've got about 10 days to finalize things and get our final proposal draft written, and then open that up for public comment. And so the dates that I'm showing on the screen here, August 25 through September, 1 seven days is the requirement for public comment. So those are the dates that we're looking at. We're still determining the functionality of that, like what mechanism we will use, most likely will be on the website. That's my guess, but I'll keep you updated on that. And again, that's where everything is in that that so when we are submitting that final proposal, that's where you'll be able to see, you know, who submit applications, what applications were selected, or preliminarily selected, because again, all of this is preliminary and provisional based on NTIA approval. So we open that up for public comment on the 25th close that on the first and then by the fourth is when we have to submit that final proposal, and then it goes to NTIA. And our understanding is NTIA has 90 days to review that and approve or send back changes, whatever that might be. So that's kind of what we're working up against right now. And I can see there's some stuff here in the chat. Let me take a look. So I see Michelle's question, Are you experiencing the same thing as other states? Lots of satellite provider bids. We did get satellite provider bids like other states. You'll be able to see the actual details for that public comment, because we are right now. You know, I know you all know this, and I'm sorry to be a broken record in the process of still reviewing applications, going into negotiations, all of this, I can't speak specifically, but yes, we did receive satellite bids. I will add Joe to the list, and then I can see Randy put in discussion of bids in other states. So yes, other states are putting out our information. There's there's details being shared, and you can see that the in other states, there have been a lot of satellite bids. So I'll leave it at that. But I think ultimately, that's the update from the office, and I will continue to to come when I am able and and provide more updates, and definitely more updates on that that public comment, because we're excited for people to actually be able to see you know what's been going on and what things are shaping up like.

I see a hand go ahead, Randy, Randy, you've got a question?

Yeah, yeah, no. Thank you. Kelly, and I know this is a really tough and blindingly busy period for anyone in a state broadband office. One, one thing that that I was interested in is, is, you know that I know some states have started to release some of the stuff, but, and. But it sort of varies by state. Are you and it sounds like, you know, whatever, whatever Arizona releases, you'll announce it, right, right? But, but is it? But is it? Are you aware of other states that have released stuff, or what do you see that? Because I think even just getting a glimpse of what's been bid, you know, even before there's been any kind of award decision is interesting. Are you what's the sentiment around that, either in Arizona or in other other state broadband offices that you've seen,

you know? So number one, the state broadband directors, they all have kind of their own channel, and they speak a lot and share details with each other. Other states you know, have shared details. Like, I just saw some emails yesterday, and I can't remember what states it was, but I was like, Oh, interesting. I wonder, like, how they're sharing that information. I know with Arizona and the Arizona commerce authority, we have very strict procurement guidelines where we can't speak of any applicants or speak with applicants, like during the application window, and then once that window closes, now we're in, still in that procurement timeline, trying to finalize things. So we, you know, have very, like I said, tight restrictions on what we can and cannot share. So until that public comment comes out, we can't share many details. And that's just based off the Arizona Commerce Authority our procurement guidelines that are somewhat similar to what the state guidelines are. So I think the state guidelines have a certain level of confidentiality and constraints, and I think on top of that, Arizona Commerce Authority adds more all to say that I feel like I'm always, you know, a broken record where I can't quite share details yet, but it is coming

good. Thanks. Thanks, Kelly. Any other questions for Kelly? Okay, thanks, Kelly, glad to have

you stop sharing. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks everyone.

Glad that you had a nice break and nice trip. Okay, Mala, do you want to give us a quick update on what you know about what's happening, federal level, state level, etcetera.

Really, honestly, nothing, no updates, because everyone's on vacation looks like right? And and the focus of the state is on a different sort of files, not anything to do with the E Rate or broadband. Now we're still awaiting decision on the hot spot, on the Wi Fi program. None of the applications for hot spots or Wi Fi on school busses has been approved, so it's status quo right now.

Okay, thank you. Any questions for Mala while we're talking about state, about the State Library? Anthony, you have anything you want to share this morning?

No. Mala, pretty much said it. We, we're just kind of working on different stuff right now. Hopefully, hopefully I'll have some fun stuff to share in a couple of months, but just just working on it right now.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. Michael Kendall, are you on? I was just going to look and see I don't think he's here this morning. Okay, well, let's just jump into our program. I am very pleased to welcome Scotty this morning. I had a great conversation. You know, when I get to plan these things and spend time with potential speakers, it's just very illuminating to learn about what people are really doing and so forth. And when I had a chance to talk with Scotty, I was just blown away and looking at his background. So how's that for an intro, Scotty, my goodness, I'm all done. So I'm not going to go through your background, Scotty, but if you could just give a quick highlight, and then, you know, talk about, you know what the work you're doing, and and so forth. So with that, I'm going to just turn it over to you.

Okay, thank you, Steve, I'm sharing my screen. Please don't think this is me trying to grandstand. It's really not the case, but just a little bit about me, my number one claim to fame. It, and I think I may have shared this with the group before, but I was the IT program manager for the Secretary of Defense and his executive offices on 911 I was in the Pentagon with my team on 911 supporting Donald Rumsfeld and his team that day. We. Learned a lot about continuity of operations, resilience, reconstitution, firsthand. And I can tell you, as the Risk Manager, if you've ever done risk management, you're supposed to do a risk roster. Well, I can tell you, nowhere in our risk roster, did we have an entry that said someone's going to fly a plane into our building? So just that's, that's risk management humor there. So I spoke with Steve about coming and addressing the group. Mainly, it's because I and my teams are resources. If anyone is interested. If you aren't interested directly, it's quite possible your nieces and nephews would be so I'm going to talk about the this stuff you see on the far right, which is the nice cybersecurity career Ambassadors Program, and then on the left about the mentorship program that I founded five years ago. So the nice cybersecurity career Ambassadors Program was put together by the National Institutes of science and technology to try and help increase awareness and support for cybersecurity. The main reason is they noticed, just like I did years ago, that there was this great big thing called the skills gap, and they wanted to try and help increase people's interest. But to start with interest, you have to start with awareness. So they put together this cybersecurity career ambassadors group, and we're 100% volunteer. It started with a community of interest, and then it has boiled down to the career ambassadors. And we're basically just people who are enthusiastic about cybersecurity. Share about it, talk about it. Let me go to the next slide. If you notice the second bullet down there, we help demystify careers in cybersecurity. For example, when I joined the Air Force about 100 years ago, I said, I want to fly jets. Well, I didn't end up flying jets. You know, a lot of people think that cybersecurity is you on the keyboard, you know, slugging it out with the bad guys, and in many cases, that is just not how cybersecurity is applied these days. So we try and help with that, and we also support programs, activities. Do a lot of informing, just sharing about cybersecurity and my role, I didn't mention this, I am the West region or region four, coordinator for this, which means I'm responsible for the ambassadors in 13 western US states. And so if anybody has any interest in. Well, for example, in October, there is Cybersecurity Awareness Month. And the October 20 through the 25th is actually cybersecurity Career Week. I can help marry an organization or group up with a nearby ambassador who can come and share about cybersecurity, what it is, why it's enjoyable, why people should consider trying to get jobs as ambassadors, or, I'm sorry, as cybersecurity professionals, etc. It's just talking up the career field. This is the region that I'm responsible for. Again, everything Colorado and West is my group. And in fact, I have a meeting tomorrow morning where I'm going to be, you know, meeting these people, few 100 ambassadors located around these western states. And we're hoping to make it even more so that if anyone, a school, a club, an organization, is interested, we can dial up a there's actually an ambassador finder that we're going to be populating where you can put in your zip code, and it will show you your nearby ambassadors. So that's what we're planning on doing soon, soon also, and this is the other thing that I wanted to share about. Let me see it. Somebody is bringing chats. Oh, okay, just a thumbs up. Thank you. I am also when I got out of my job as a contractor and went back into federal civil service in 2019 I notified our isso that I was going to be founding a cybersecurity mentorship program, and her response to me has been just you. Uh, stuck in my head. She said, Oh, good, because we're hiring all the wrong people. And basically, what she meant by that is, people aren't taught ethics these days. They aren't taught why they're defending. They're taught the techniques. They're taught that it's all sorts of, you know, interesting, you know, people are doing movies about it and everything, but I'll speak personally. I am mentoring because I want to make sure that my retirement funds are safe. I want the right people pushing the buttons on my retirement funds and my Social Security, etc. So just the thing that started cybersecurity Sensei was a desire to help fill that skills gap, or at least help in the way I could. Our mentorship program specifically focuses on ethics. We do have a published code of ethics. We have no minimum or age experience, because everything's online. In other words, I have had mentees as young as 14 and as old as a woman in her 60s. So we are available to anyone that's interested. We have live Saturday morning webinars every Saturday we've been doing it for almost 290 weeks now straight, every Saturday, live webinars. They're held at 8am Eastern Time. The reason for that is we're on three continents, and I have mentees in India and Europe and Finland the UK that I have to accommodate as well. And it's late in the afternoon for them as well. So

yeah, if I can interrupt, if you would send me that information, sure that we get that out to our people who may

happy to I'll send you this deck home. We're done. Steve, okay, so we have an email list of very active Facebook group over 150 or around 150 YouTube videos. And the main thing that we do, instead of tools, and you know, here's the latest thing that's going on, I teach them to think like their supervisors. The reason is, I've been there. I know what goes on in the minds of the people that are running these organizations, having hired CISOs, having hired security teams, I'm aware of their approach, and we approach everything from the viewpoint of business risk, bottom line and lessons learned not here's the latest fun tool you can try it is very unique in our organization. In this career field, I haven't found anybody that has the same approach, and I'm pretty proud about it. In addition, you can't get a job without experience. You can't get experience without a job. Well, I've found a way to do it. It's called our incident response team, where you can get experience as an incident response analyst without having to be hired and the you know, I'll spare the secret for somebody that's interested. But to date, our incident response team has logged over 3500 incidents worldwide. We've logged them, reported them to the authorities for enforcement or corporate authorities for things like brand protection. You know where you get the little notice that says your Amazon Prime membership is due for renewal? And you know, it's not those sorts of things. So that's what our incident response team does. Gives them month to month experience as volunteers, they can help today. Next, oh, on this is as you're looking at it. If you look down on the bottom left, this would be a resume of a lot of these people that are coming out of college with a cybersecurity degree. I've got a degree, I've got a couple certifications, hire me, and then you look to the right, I am an incident response analyst. I've got the degree, I've got the certifications, but I'm also functioning as an incident response analyst. And here's my experience. Who would you hire? We have a speakers bureau where all of the decks that I use and the decks that our team puts together are available for anyone on the team to share, mostly their cyber safety topics. The latest one I'm doing is related to question QR, code hijacking, and I'm putting that one together for our team as well, and that I make them available so that they can help educate people in their spheres of influence, and again, to get experience. We also have a tech team for publishing, and we publish what we call our cyber safety nibbles. This is what the the original nibbles looks like that you see on the. Bottom left, it's just a handout, 15 things you can do today free that will make you safer online, and we distribute them for no charge. On the right, you see one graphic. We have all 15 of these in JPEG format, so you can drop them onto your web page. You can drop them into your newsletter, etc, and it just says, courtesy of the cybersecurity sensei tech team. So that's kind of fun. So this is the last slide I'm all done, but these are some of my contact methods. My email is it's rhetorical. At Gmail, you can find me on LinkedIn. I was an early adopter, so I'm Scotty Ward, no 9698 or anything like that. I'm just Scotty ward. And then our career ambassadors community of interest has a Facebook place, and I also have a Facebook group for the cybersecurity sensei mentorship team. If anyone's interested, please contact me, and I'll be happy to help. Any questions.

Questions for Scotty, going once, going twice. Well. Scotty, thank you for presenting this morning. Thank you, Steve. You know, again, I think you're I want to talk with you about how we do some other follow up. As you know, I do send out the information about the presenters after the meeting, but I think I want to figure out how to share some other information about how to connect with all the resources that you just shared this morning, because I think it's really important.

I did have a question. I was double muted. Scottie. What I wanted to ask is,

with the cyberspace, could you introduce yourself, please.

Oh, sorry Tony Conover, Conover industries over in McNeil, Arizona, I wanted to ask, do you which audit standards do you follow with cybersecurity, like, based on your standards, like, is it ISO or is it what's the other one? NIST, NIST, yeah, yeah. NIST, yeah, there you go.

I do not follow any audit standards. I am a mentorship program. The NIST ambassadors obviously follow NIST. But again, this is awareness more than it is compliance. We are we're there to help encourage and and help people connect to resources more so than trying to run or operate or found cybersecurity operations groups.

Okay, no, it makes sense. Okay, thank you, sure. So

Tony, while you're at it, you do a little bit of cyber security yourself, if I'm not mistaken,

yes, I do, and that's why. So I will be reaching out to Scotty at some point, because it is cyber security, such a if people knew better. I mean, like, there's a lot of things you just shouldn't be doing on the internet anyway, so it'll be interesting to connect and bringing that awareness is good for especially for me, for kids and, you know, up and coming, younger people, because you'd be surprised that they don't they still don't understand that everything's permanent on the internet and their passwords need to be secure, so that that's kind of why I was asking.

Okay, thanks Tony. Any other questions or comments for Scotty? Okay, well, thanks again, Scotty, for sharing with us and that you've been attending our meetings fairly regularly, and we're glad to have you a part of

this group. It's great to be part of it. Steve, thank you.

Okay, so let's move on to Brian. Brian Daley, Brian, want to introduce yourself quickly and kind of give us a quickie update, both on what's what's happening with after the big bill. We did hear some of that last week, but just quickly. And then also, as I told you, we don't hear much from AT and T and you guys got some big investments going on here in Arizona, so, yeah, we do.

So sure

go ahead, Bryan, yeah.

So let me just take a few minutes. I'll start with the big, beautiful bill and some of the spectrum areas in there. So so there are, what they looked at was some critical frequency bands that were. Looked by at by the Department of Defense, that were, you know, even though the FCC spectrum auction authority was restored through September 30, 2034, there were some frequency bands that are, you know, restricted from auction, and that includes the lower three gigahertz band, which is one of the prime bands for cellular cellular use, as well as the 7.4 to 8.4 gigahertz band. And the reason being is there's a lot of military use of those bands that they were also looking at the repurposing of spectrum of about 800 megahertz of spectrum, 500 megahertz of federal spectrum in the 1.3 to 10.5 gigahertz range. The NTIA has to identify at least 200 megahertz within two years by 2027 that can be auctioned off and an additional 200 banker hertz within four years, so by 2029 and that the remaining spectrum to reach that 500 megahertz Target has to be identified by NTIA With within four years. So by 2029 and then auctioned off within eight years by 2033 so that's a big chunk of spectrum that that they're looking at for auctioning off. And there's also a number of additional studies that are being looked at. You know, there's been funding appropriate through fiscal year 2034, to study the 2.7 to 2.9 gigahertz and 4.4 to 4.9 gigahertz, as well as in the seven gigahertz span for potential repurposing from government military use. So what's next? The FCC has to act swiftly on some of these, especially in reallocation of some of the bands. The executive branch is going to determine what specific bands and timelines for meeting those targets for the 500 megahertz as well as the 300 megahertz auctions, and the NTIA is expected to adopt a more expedited and less formal approach to identifying what spectrum can be used. So it's going to be interesting to see how they come up with repurposing some of these bands and what the auctions might be as we move forward over the next couple of years. Let me shift into AT and T. You probably saw some reports, you know, like you said, AT and T is investing $1.1 billion in Arizona's telecommunications infrastructure, and that's really across a number of different aspects. First is the fiber network growth. You've probably heard about our acquisition of lumens, mass market fiber assets, which a number of those do exist in Arizona, we're also have partnerships like our joint venture with Blackrock to expand Giga power beyond our traditional wireline territories. So we do also have an open fiber Access Initiative with prime fiber and Sun City and Peoria to support competitive broadband ecosystems. You know the one do? The 1.1 billion is focused on the fiber expansion, but also 5g deployment as well as public safety communications. We've got nearly 775 million invested in Phoenix, Mesa and Chandler, and over 110 million in Tucson, our mass market deal will really expand our fiber footprint as we as we look to the acquisition of lumen. And then, you know, as I already mentioned, this black rock and partnerships with prime far prime fiber will give us open access fiber and competitive broadband markets. We also are modernizing our legacy networks. We had do have a plan retirement of our copper infrastructure by 2029 and that aligns with the federal broadband Modernization Initiative, as far as 5g deployment, we do have a comprehensive 5g footprint covering 99% of Americans, and we do have extensive coverage in Arizona, both in urban as well as rural areas and. We are boosting capacity in high density venues like Phoenix footprint center, and we're expanding rural connectivity. And also we do have fixed wireless home internet via AT and T Internet air, and we are collaborating with AST space mobile to further explore satellite integration for remote and underserved regions. And in FirstNet, we have deployed over 1500 band 14 sites across nearly 260 Arizona localities. This, you know, is part of our $8 billion investment in partnership with the FirstNet, First Responder Network Authority, the government side of the FirstNet, we also, you know, that does expand the dedicated public safety network for mission critical communications in those agencies and communities, including Bullhead City, cottonwood and Sierra Vista, and do support statewide emergency preparedness and response in digital inclusion and community impact. We do have a $5 billion commitment since 2021 including $3 billion pledge to 2030 to close the digital divide. We do have partnerships with organizations like digital unity and Chicanos Por La Causa that are facilitating digital equity efforts, including distributing laptops to families in rural, rural Arizona, as well as addressing barriers to connectivity and digital literacy. So that's quick summary. Number of initiatives that we have going on in Arizona. A lot of investment in Arizona, a lot of fiber build outs coming, coming in Arizona communities.

Great questions. Questions, comments. Brian, as always, it's good to see you, Randy, did you have something?

Oh, I did, yeah. So actually, lots of tons of great information there. So maybe two questions on a couple different areas. One is on your spectrum piece, I know the CBRs band is near and dear to a lot of people, and one of the areas that could be in play. So any specific thoughts on that? And then another sort of unrelated question too, is, I know the fiber broadband Association has been enthusiastic about the return of immediate expensing as an accounting mechanism and that, and you know, the FBA views that that will kind of accelerate capital investment. So, so interesting, if you had a perspective on that, and how, how, you know fiber providers investing, you know how that's likely to influence plans,

sure, yeah, no, definitely. On the fiber investing portion, you know, there, there are huge investments to expand the fiber networks we have, you know, have significant goals that that we've made public, you know, for for our fiber footprint, and expanding our fiber footprint and getting to more more resonances, both within and outside of our footprint. So, you know, definitely anything that can promote and expand investments in that area, you know, is definitely supportive. As far as CBRs, yeah, that's that's a prime sweet spot as far as spectrum, and we're working very closely with the Commission and NTIA on looking at the whole CBRs band and how that could be purposed for both commercial as well as unlicensed services. So definitely an area of interest.

Other questions for Brian. So Brian, I'm going to show my ignorance. And can you explain a little bit about what the function is for FCC versus NTIA? FCC would primarily be responsible for spectrum and spectrum auctions.

No, you're correct. The FCC is responsible for the spectrum auctions. The NTIA is responsible, I guess I'd call it spectrum strategy, okay, especially across government agencies, and how spectrum could potentially be repurposed for other commercial uses. But yeah, the FCC is the one that that license spectrum and and holds the spectrum auctions, but NTIA is more involved in the strategic aspects of of spectrum strategy.

Good. Thank you. Um, Mala, yeah, yeah. Check.

Just see, yeah, I can share a summary. I'll provide that for you, Steve, and you can, you can certainly distribute

it. That'd be great. I appreciate that. Any other questions for for Bryan, okay, so are there any other announcements or anything? Yeah. So

yeah, I'll put my contact information in the chat. There was just a question for that,

yeah. And, of course, I'll share that also with my with my newsletter. So I was thinking that maybe while I tentatively have the Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity scheduled next week, but I think I might postpone him for a couple of weeks because people are on vacation, and I really don't want people to miss his presentation also. So we will be meeting next week, but we will not meet on the 14th. So I just wanted to remind you about that, are there any other announcements that people have? If not, we might be done early today, going once, going twice. Well, I'm going to stop recording and.