But how does scholars think about podcasts, their content, their place in the media environment, their relationship with more long standing media like radio, their effects on listeners and society? It turns out a podcast about the social sciences can get really, really meta, because today I'm delighted to bring you my recent conversation with Dr. Jason Levy, Leo, Associate Professor and share in the UMBC department of Media and Communication Studies. Dr. Livigno is a scholar of media history, radio and podcasting studies. And with me Lindgren of the University of Tasmania. He is CO editor of the Routledge companion to radio and podcasting studies, the first issue of which came out in 2022. More recently, Dr. Lophelia has published an article entitled from radio to podcasting, intimacy and massification. He expands on these ideas and our Social Science Podcast conversation on the social science of podcasting, which I'm delighted to bring you right now.