Definitely! What I find — many people who even have a lot of board experience, are accustomed to letting the staff do everything. And so what they think their job is going to be is making sure that the organization is just running well, and we teach, that's not enough. You need to be forward looking, you need to understand what your organization must achieve. And you've got to be able to, as a board member, hold the staff accountable for achieving that. For that purpose, you need to be outward looking, you need to see what is possible, not just how well are the finances doing? Are the program's well attended? Or whatever the ongoing business of the organization is, you need people who are prepared to be outward looking. And so when recruiting people, you need to talk about all of these things with those folks, are they willing to take on that kind of a responsibility, because that is the business of real leadership. And what you're looking for is people who will work well with the other members of the board, and put the board in a position of real leadership. And it means that as individuals, they need to be leaders as well, not leaders in the sense of being a renegade on the board, but possibly bringing new ideas to the board. So you're looking for somebody who's going to be very much engaged, and without involving themselves with the staff, make sure that the organization achieves what it must.