[123] Working with the Mind through Sigh Meditation – with Andrew Holecek

1:06AM Aug 8, 2023

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Andrew Holecek

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Ready are, so I can see all my friends and enemies just over my enemies, you probably wouldn't show up to this thing, but I don't know why it gets such a ridiculous kick out of that. See I relate. Maybe it's because I relate to everybody with equanimity, right? So there's no difference between my friends and enemies. I'm trying I mean, I'd be there yet but I'm aspiring. So, not a whole lot to announce. Those of you who may be new. We do this Monday night, meditation thing we started it a number of years ago as a way to work with our minds in preparation for the nocturnal arena. And so that's one reason we do it. People may wonder like, why what does the meditation thing have to do with lucid dreaming and Dream Yoga? Well, you know this by now, number of studies plus my informal polls show meditators have more lucid dreams when you're working with your dreams. What are you doing, you're working with your mind? So meditation is separates what separates lucid dreaming from Dream Yoga. This is a Dream Yoga kind of journey. But it's its core and so in terms of before we launch into my little riff, the only things I really need to mention is next week, starting, I think on Friday. My deep dive bar to yoga, remember, it's the fifth of the five natural meditations. The one that transcends but includes all of them. This is a hybrid event an online as well as an in person event drawler Mountain Center. My deepest dive of the year, for sure, a topic of dream at the end of time, which is what the particles are, so there's a poster that if you're interested, and then the deeply connected program I'm doing with Bob Thurman a month later, in his amazing center in upstate New York, I'm in LA, where we do our little non duality and nature my thing there we deeply connected to the Bardo Dharma teachings. So if that speaks to you, check out those sites and see if that something you can possibly work out but in the meantime, I do my big pause here. recording in progress, wherever we go recording in progress. So what I wanted to talk to you a little bit about I want to do a couple of things. I wanted to share with you a meditation that I learned from Tokujin MPJ some of you may know this amazing jokes and meditation master. Remarkable. His two Rockstar sons of axis his three of his sons are now working in the West chokyi Nyima Rinpoche is actually doing a program as we speak. I'm pretty sure it's this week up in Northern California. And then manger Rinpoche, his other son, second Rinpoche has other amazing family. They're actively teaching in the West. So Tokujin Rinpoche if you don't know him is just a colossus in the world of Tibetan Buddhism. And so, he introduces this amazing meditation. It's a little bit connected to the one breath thing, the one breath meditation that I learned from my teacher Khenpo tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche, some 25 years ago. And what we're going to do is we're going to do this in throughout my little time with you this evening. Because it's not something that you do consistently. It's something that you do every couple of minutes. Super simple. And it's a connect in the last two times I was with you in this Monday group. I was talking about the power of wind, remember. And so this is connected to that and it's called the it's called the sai marriage Sid, ah, sigh meditation. And it's actually quite lovely. And so it could not be simpler. And so what we're going to do is in a moment, I'm just going to pause. In we're all we're all just going to do just a natural kind of sigh. And at the end of this thigh, we're just going to rest for a few minutes in that in that space. And I find this practice absolutely lovely in conjunction with a one breath meditation. I mean, I find myself doing these things. All the time. And it's the classic characteristic, remember of both Maha Mudra and devotion, the two highest allegedly highest teachings and the Kagyu and Nyingma traditions respectively. This maximum of short sessions repeated often. That is powerful. As long as sessions are and they're incredibly effective. The idea of taking my languaging little sips of space, silly little sips of space. Or for some people that seeing out there, you can think of it as a shot of space, right? So I would take a little sip, but I know some of you out there, you wouldn't be a shot. Hey, whatever, insert a little space into your heart and mind is the idea. So I'm just going to pause for a second and then we're just simply going to literally it's as simple is one breath meditation, just simply sigh and notice how notice where that takes your mind. Notice how you feel at the end of the sigh. Okay, I usually do with my eyes closed because it allows me to kind of feel into it a little bit more. Okay, there we go

that's it. It doesn't have to be when I first did it, I was corrected. Because of course when I do something the first time I always do it wrong. The first time I did it, I just I did like and I was instructed no no doesn't have to be that dramatic. Just literally just that little exhalation and then that magnificent gap. Pause Bardo at the end. I don't know where it goes with your mind. But every time I do this just like the one breath meditation. It really does kind of stop my mind. I mean there's there's this cessation of respiration and then this kind of gap so let's try it again.

Fantastic.

I actually get a little bit better by doing this because of my dog Tashi. So again, I'll take a teaching anywhere I can get it. I think I might introduce my beautiful little dog to you. Every once in a while he sneaks down here. And so what's how she does it's hysterical. So like Tashi has like the cushiest life in the world right? He sees the Rodeo Drive dog I mean, the guy should be walking around with a little Gucci purse or something. He's so spoiled and it's absolutely the most endearing thing in the world because he'll he'll be lying down on his big fluffy little dog thing on the couch and the dog will literally he will literally just do like know, it's like Tashi. Like you're sleeping 18 hours a day. What What can you possibly be stressed out from right? It's just the it's The Sweetest Thing. It's like really hard day at the office today Tashi and so Hey, every time I do that, now I join him. So it's a little reminders. Okay, Tasha, I'm gonna do you do your little side meditation. He's probably a little Toku. You know, he's probably a little reincarnated. But no doubt. I'm here to teach me. And so every time touched he does his little sigh. It's like I joined him. And it's actually it also brings a sense of levity to the whole thing. And so this is a way of course to what to unwind to on wind to let these winds dissipate to let these winds relax. So let's do it. Let's do another one. Just a very, very gentle relax. But there is this sense of like, you know, you just letting it go. Okay, one more sigh.

Fantastic. It's another one of these wonderful techniques that you can do anywhere. People don't need to know that you're doing it. It's not like you have to flip your legs up in the lotus position and put your hand in some mudra No, no matter what's going on. You just do this little side open release. And it's a way to connect. I like it also because it to me It reminds me and reinstates the immediacy of that which I'm after, which is this open, free dimension of mind. And as I have that opportunity connect to it every single time I do that kind of opening, every single time. And so, we'll do it as I go through my little riff. Here. And then we'll have a chance to sigh a little bit more at the end. That'd be very curious to see how this settles with you or not. Yeah, I am not making this up. This comes from one of the really great soaps and masters. And I mean, it's a real gift these little small, little sips these little mediate little moments of practice that we can do anytime, anywhere. I find them extremely effective. So what I wanted to talk about tonight is, is I'm kind of getting ready a little bit for these two deeper dive events. I've got sort of deeper strands of practices of mind and some topics that are a little bit below. Or you could say about, let's say a little bit above the normal brand of material and so I shared some of this a little bit with the this group of people that we we started this preparing to die thing with a couple six weeks ago. And this is such an important thing that I want to I want to share with you as well and some of the PDP people are here listening doesn't hurt to hear some of this again. And so this is a little bit more in the line of what practices like sleep yoga, and bharta yoga, the fourth and fifth of the nocturnal practices can lead you into these are the insights that come from that but you may be surprised. One simple SCI could actually take you into these states of mind. And so what I want to do is is work with this notion of appearance is not in harmony with reality. This is this underlying narrative of what actually defines a non lucid dream. A non lucid dream as you think the bloody thing is real. You don't think it's a dream? That's what defines non lucidity. And therefore we suffer why is this important? Excuse me, because we suffer. We suffer in direct proportion to how much we subscribe to mere appearance. Appearance is not in harmony with reality. And so what I want to talk to you a little bit about here is this. This assumed fallacious notion that we all have, you know, like when someone Someone has to ask you a How did you sleep last night? Oh, man, I slept great. I hit a lousy night. Whoa, I had the most amazing dream. Wow, I woke up just completely refreshed. Right. Well, is that really what's going on? I mean, that's it seems like that seems like I fell asleep. I had a dream. I woke up this morning. Well, that's actually not what's going on. And so I'm gonna read this little thing and then run a riff on it. And then packing in a number of different ways because I think when you open to this and settle with this, this is something really worth contemplating it for me it's changed the way I relate to napping to sleeping. To dreaming. And then you'll see the immediate extrapolation and application to end of life because same thing happens there at the end dream at the end of time. That's what they call the Bardot's. Oh, I you know, I'm going to die. I'm going to go through the Bartons I'm going to take rebirth somewhere. Well, no, not quite. Not quite. So here's the deal. So deep sleep, or dream or any liminal space are actually not states that we enter. These are simply modifications of infinite awareness. And so I'm gonna, I'm gonna read this. I shouldn't say read it, stayed it somewhat emphatically, then unpack it. These are not actually states that we experience what's actually going on is the infinity of the awakened mind. Awareness, which is all there is, is just fundamentally relieved of its movement, its contractions, its incessant relentless activity. It's relieved of the finite mind the egoic self centered mind. So here's the point. You, anybody you actually never enter or pass through. Any state of consciousness waking, dreaming, or dream deep REM asleep. There actually is no such person. There is no such person to pass through any state. Every state of mind is a self coloring, or I really like this narrative of contraction of awareness. That's it. At no point. There's anything any phenomena, any entity other than awareness itself ever come into existence. So let me say this again, at no point does anything other than awareness itself formless awareness itself ever come into existence? That's the only thing that there really is, is unbroken continuity. The stream like image, that metaphor of Formless awareness. What creates the illusion that Whoa, I fell asleep last night. I had a great dream higher slept well. I woke up relaxed. What creates the illusion of these particular states? is nothing more and this is my favorite languaging then this lightning fast contraction that happens all the time. I mean, it's happening right now as we're as we're listening to this event is we're here because this fundamental contraction thing is happening like a, like a super fast type of cardio, rapid heartbeat, the heartbeat of the ego and so what can happen with meditation, and what can happen with with the deeper aspects of the natural mutations is you can start to see this for yourself. You start to see this kind of pulsation of awareness. You start to see that the mind and this is this is where the sign meditation comes into play. So let's pause for a second. Great place to take a little sip of space. And let's let's do one more sigh.

Very end of that side that excellent that opening that relaxation, there's a gap. And if you pay very exquisite attention to your mind, you will in fact, notice that in that little gap, the finite mind has been relieved of all its activity. That's one reason it feels so good. There is a moment of openness, a moment of relaxation that can happen just as fast as the contractions happen in lightning speed. The openings can happen that they do the same meditation just allows us to contact that to tune into it to touch it. And so everything I'm talking about here, yes, it can be experienced in deeper meditation. Yes, it can be experienced with these electro meditations. Yes, it can be experienced when we die will be. But moment to moment to moment. As you become acclimatized sensitized to the to the just phenomenology, the process of this rapid contraction and then the ability to open openness, sigh, relax, open. You may notice in that brief end, the end of the respiration you may notice this cessation of all activity, cessation of any sense of referencing, it's suddenly first so if you don't get it now, totally fine. But you may notice this quality of openness is one reason it feels so good. And then of course, we take another inhalation because we're still embodied. We automatically come back into this form that we think is the self sense. And because the contraction is so ubiquitous, there's no contrast. We simply don't see that we don't see until we have these brief instances they can possibly point this out to you. So the amazing thing, the truly amazing thing is, you actually don't fall asleep. There is no use for you as an illusion anyway, right? There is no you that falls asleep. It's nothing more than infinite awareness, whatever term you want append to this pristine consciousness, Buddha nature, TURia. I mean you know, the traditions have dozens and dozens of names for that which cannot be named but I just simply like formless awareness itself for the Buddha's listening here, that would be rigpa. It's simply awareness. When you fall asleep, it's simply awareness, releasing its grip, and this is why we talk about falling asleep. Right? You're releasing the grip when you fall asleep, you're releasing this this grip this insatiable grip, awareness expands, relaxes drops, excessive levels of contractions are released. And at the end of those I shouldn't say at the end as we go through those, we experienced this as the dissolution process when we're falling asleep so you lie down in bed. There's still a self saying, oh, you know, you're reviewing the day you lie down, there's all this chatter, all this stuff is happening, all the winds are moving. But eventually that starts to dissolve, starts to come apart. Awareness starting to relax. That's the liminal phase. And then depending on where you are in the sleep, trajectory, that will relax a little bit. There are partial relaxation, that partial opening is what we experienced either as the deeper stages of liminality, or even the dream state. Which is why of course I mentioned earlier, this is why the laws of physics and whatnot. Don't apply. Materiality physicality causality, as we know, it really only applies at this most contracted dimension. We open into the dream state. This is why we can do all these amazing, miraculous things in our dreams. Because we're closer to the source experiences more empty. It's less reified laws of physics, physics. Don't apply. Then the contraction release even deeper, becomes more and more open, deeper relaxation. This of course, will drop us into the fully deep dreamless state. So close your eyes again. We're going to take quite a few sips of space today Sigh

It may be brief, it may be subtle. But can you feel yourself almost spilling into space? Feel the mind and the heart opening is one reason it feels so good.

So at no point does anything other than awareness coming into existence? That's all there is. While we determine what we impute to be the self, the reified self is just the most contracted dimension of this formless awareness. We can experience this with some facility in the liminal experiences at the end of the night before you wake up, or as you're coming out of deep dreamless sleep into dream or into these spaces. You can feel the successes levels of contraction. You can feel this also in deep meditation. When you enter states, a really deep open meditative absorption you start to come back into form. What do you start to notice you start to notice some movement. Remember, we talked about this with the winds, the winds completely cease when the winds completely cease. So this ties into what I talked about last week. That unwinding is also completely correlative to this opening to the relaxation to the D contraction. And so you can rest in the states of meditative equipoise. The jhana states, the meditative absorption states, everything is completely open, relaxed, you're resting in the state. And then what happens Winster the winds are the activity of the mind. I like the term contraction because there's something you can feel with the activity starts to start starts to start, the activity starts, lifts you so to speak, and you start to contract. This is something you can start to pay attention to so falling asleep and then dying. So this is where it ties into the Bardo yoga thing. Following falling asleep and dying are nothing more than successive openings. That's always happening. You're going through this the cyclic process of contraction and opening whether you know it or not. You're doing it moment to moment, little bit harder to see that because it happens so fast. But the nocturnal meditations allow you to see it in a larger kind of macrocosmic form. So when it happens, it's gonna happen you get into third instantiation is the dream at the end of time when you die. Successive openings resulting in Bardo yoga in what I believe we call the grand opening, right, the grand opening. That's what death is. Death is the grand opening into the state of pure formless awareness. And so here the question is right, can we handle this openness? Can we handle that much freedom? Can we handle that much space? If we're not introduced to it if we're not familiar with it? If we can't recognize it, the very definitions of what meditation is we contract. This is why we don't recognize the dreamless sleep this is why most of us will not recognize the Battle of Dharma talk unless we have some familiarity with it. Because we're simply not familiar with it. What are we habituated to What Are we familiar with? contraction, the self sense why who we think we are. So even if the level of the map that's all we're doing here, even if the love of the map, because this map is in resonance with reality, it can collapse into reality. And this can become your direct experience. You can see for yourself, the validity of this. So what we're trying to do here is develop some familiarity, even at the level of the map. So that fundamentally then when the territory is revealed, after we'll have a greater sense of recognition of this, we'll start to see oh my gosh, it's so true. Every time I start to unwind, I start to relax. I mean leasing my grip, is one reason why we love most people love to fall asleep. It's like, Oh, thank God, I'm temporarily relieved of this ridiculous, incessant finite mind contraction activity. I mean, I finally get to rest in peace. Right and this is why some people don't want to get out of bed in the morning. Oh my god, I gotta reincarnate. I gotta re inhabit this thing. I so the idea here is to be aware. Okay. Close your eyes

you know, you've left the end of the site when what? You start to think you may notice at the very end, there's a gap. There was no thought temporary of no activity temporarily ceased. You know? You've left it that's when you can end the practice. You know, you've left it when the activity starts some commentary. Why am I doing this right? Oh, this is stupid. I thought he's gonna say something better tonight, whatever. When the chatter starts, that's when you let the practice go. If you take the exhalation the side and you rest in that sigh and you can rest there and a little bit of equipoise rest there. But the time to finish it, so to speak is Oh, the comments come in whatever you have to think that's when you can let it go. It's like striking a gong. You let it go. And then you just come back. And then you do it again. So remember, repetition has gotten us into this mess. Repetition is going to get us out. Right? So close your eyes

that's it.

short sessions repeated often. So falling asleep and dying are basically successive openings resulting in the grand opening. Waking up and rebirth are nothing more than successive contractions resulting in the grand contraction, the grand closure. That is birth, when the infinite mind is shrink wrapped. In remember we talked about think we talked about this year. This is what creates this little tension within us when the infinite mind contracts based on what habits it's just habit. When the when the infinite mind contracts. It relieves the tension. There's this kind of ineffable, inarticulate discord dissonant tension that manifests in the sense of like, hey, something's missing. I'm not happy. That's where that that's where that sense is coming from. There's something missing in my life. I'm not happy. And so the conventional pursuits for happiness are nothing more than conventional societal conceptual ways of attempting to relieve this tension through material acquisition and all the things we do on the samsaric agenda, which of course don't work. When this conventional pursuit becomes conscious, right see, most of us for most people, most people here we've already made this transition. This is a completely unconscious impetus. We just feel there's some something's not quite right. Something's missing. There's some discord. That's the infinite mind contracted into find a to fine tune and then this kind of longing, this ineffable, this itch, this longing to relieve that, you know, that's the pursuit of happiness at unconscious levels. When that becomes conscious, that's the pursuit for enlightenment. So enlightenment is nothing more than the conscious pursuit of this unconscious, happier drive for resolution of this dissonance that we feel is this this contraction within us. So this has a tremendous amount of explanatory power for all the things that we do. So waking up and rebirth and nothing more than successive contractions and these contractions of course, right there reiterated every single time we distract. So unless you think this, this contraction thing is hard to identify, no one of the reasons we can identify it is because of its constancy is you acuity is omnipresence. Every time you grasp overtly or covertly, every time you distract, you're contracting. And so this is happening all the time, which is why when you have a moment of release and meditation on the path, it can feel so orgasmic. Right, right. I'm sure many people listening here have had moments of meditation experience. Well, I would argue that what actually constitutes what is it that constitutes and makes up a meditative experience? I would argue if you cut to the quick you go right down to it. It's a moment of openness. That's what makes a spiritual experience spiritual. There is a moment where you're just open. And so if you're really, really contracted and this is important, if you're really really contracted, the moment of opening can be Fourth of July Cecil B. DeMille. orgasmic, you think you're enlightened? Well, the ecstasy is directly proportional to the preceding level of agony. If you're really contracted, the opening is orgasmic. That are and that's why people who have these meditation experiences they may they may have a simple experience of shamatha they may have a simple experience of what's called Access Consciousness or the first jhana and they think they're bloody enlightened. It's only because the contrast is so strong. There's so contracted that if a moment of opening is like, oh my gosh, that can't be anything better than this. Well, if you're already really really open, really relaxed. This is why Suzuki Roshi said famous I love this line. You've heard me say this enlightenment was my biggest disappointment. It's an amazing statement. Why? Because he was already so open. Yeah, he was already so relaxed, that when he finally collapsed into ultimate openness, it was like, I mean, it's like one of the great lines like it's the ultimate downer. It's the ultimate let down into reality. And so this is really important. Because otherwise, what do we do? We look for these big grand spiritual experiences, right? I'm on the path because I want to have a spiritual experience. I'm attending this program, I'm doing whatever, because I want to have a spiritual experience. completely understandable. But if you're looking for Hollywood, you've heard me say this if you're looking for Hollywood when the experience is more like Kansas, I love Kansas. You drive right past Kansas on the way to Hollywood. And you forget that is always right here in front of you. So here it is. Oh, am I kidding? I am not kidding you. At the end of this exhalation at the end of the size are we going to start this new religion? We're founding it today. The religion of sigh I like that right? We need to rebrand it, tweak it a little bit but get the idea. It's so ordinary, it's extra ordinary. At the end of the sigh it's there let's do it

what are you gonna do when you die? The ultimate sigh Right. Very last thing you're going to do in this life. You are going to breathe out. You are not going to breathe in. Literally right? We're all walk away from death. When you die, it's the big sigh. The big sigh of relief, release relaxation. You're going to sigh open

that's it.

So waking up and rebirth are nothing more than successive contractions every morning when you wake up. You're not waking up. You are being reconstructed. The self sense is a constant I often say this right ego the self sense. World's Fastest construction company. Which the guys that remodeled my house last year were this effective right? Moment to moment to moment. The ego contracts and constructs the sense of self and then by immediate implication this sense of other so these contractions don't just give birth to the self. They give birth to the other one contraction to births. Congratulations ego it's twins right? Every time it contracts, not just the self self another lien on each other. So every time you reference and you contract, by immediately implication, you're creating duality because you can't have self without the other. It's called co emergent ignorance they arise together. Every time you exhale, release, because self another really lean on each other they collapse. You can experience a moment and non duality and at the end of the sigh

You take an in breath rule, they come back. So moment to moment to moment.

Reality is being constructed moment to moment to moment, I should say, dualistic reality. You can start to see this with this practice. Okay. Close your eyes sigh

rest in that gap microcosmic iteration is going to happen when you die. This practice will prepare you for death. So, what is the painful Bardo of dying before Bardo dying is the painful Bardo of expansion opening letting go? Why is it painful? Because we're so bloody contracted? We're so contrived that something bad is better than nothing. And so when we're forced into the grand opening, it's painful. Because the only thing we're habituated to is contraction archetypically represented in this fist. It's amazing, isn't it? Right. So the painful part of dying is nothing more than the painful Bardo of expansion. Opening, relaxing releasing into the nature. The Bardo, becoming. On the other end, the rebirth Bardot's was nothing more than the Bardo of contraction. And so I'm big on this topic. contraction and expansion, the combustion cycle of the path happens moment to moment to moment. This combustion cycle is what drives the creation of samsara. That's the piston create samsara. This combustion cycle what takes place every night when we fall asleep, and come back into form, the combustion cycle that drives what happens when we die. And when we're going to be reborn. The same phenomenology iterative taking place at three levels, different levels. of reality. And so we can really take this to heart I mean this I don't I don't expect this to completely land. I really work with this if you can really take this to heart and really this is a contemplation. really reflect Okay, wait a second really is sure. Sure to seem like I'm falling asleep? Sure does seem like I'm dreaming sure to seem like I'm gonna wake up sort of seem like I am waking up. That's not what's happening. Yes, yes. Relatively. Yes. Relatively speaking. Yes. We can't deny relative appearance. But if we get stuck in relative reality, that's appearance we want to overthrow the tyranny of appearance appearance is not in harmony with reality. That's why we suffer. But underneath at all, you know, thinking magically underneath it osis kind of feels stream you know, right. Brain don't think literally just three, this feels stream of awareness. That's it. That's the only thing that thing phenomena that ever comes into existence. That's all there is. What creates the illusion of me dreaming, sleeping, dying, whatever me going through any state of consciousness are successive stages of contraction or openness and the more contracted we are, the more reified and real it seems to be from an egoic perspective, which is why ego doesn't experience these subtle dimensions when it's revealed. Because we're so habituated, so indoctrinated to the egoic way of relating to things, but hey, you engage in meditation, you engage in BARDA Yoga, you engage in the nocturnal practices. What are you doing? You're habituating to becoming familiar with very definition of meditation and the Tibetan language with these more open to me. Right. And then you start to see from that perspective, you start to see this dance. So let me see if I can remember this. So this is this wonderful. Statement from Ramana Maharshi. You've heard me repeat this. I think I have heard from me so this this is him talking about this. The sage dreams but he knows it to be a dream. In the same way he knows the waking state to be a dream established in the state of supreme reality and that's what we're trying to do here. Established in the state of supreme reality, the sage detachably witnesses the other three states, waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep as pictures superimposed onto it. For the sage, all three states are equally unreal. Most people are unable to comprehend this because for them, the standard of reality is the waking state. We're asked for the sage the standard is reality itself. That's amazing. So, you will find this some iteration of this you will find this and that non dual tradition. So this is Ramana Maharshi, saying exactly the same thing established in the state of supreme reality. The state of the supreme unmoving, they call it the witness. Witness has different languaging we clear light mind formless awareness established in that state, you detachably But then compassionately witness all these other states. Every state not just dream, not just dream will say but every state of consciousness is the self coloring or contraction of this field. And so this is what happens is we start to differentiate from release exclusive identification with the limited states the finite expressions to the finely tuned to the infinity that is behind them. And then we realize we see this for ourselves. This is a game changer. Then the state still alive, they still appear. You still go through these things, but you're no longer identified with them. Now you're lucid to them and they no longer have this kind of capturing power right so one more time, close your eyes.

Fantastic, you can do this at a dinner party. You can do this anywhere at any time. This is going to change the way you relate to sighing every time you sigh Now you're gonna say oh, wow, I have this amazing opportunity to open and expand. Okay, all right. Okay, what do you think? Questions, comments, contributions, let me just see what was in the chat shared column and then we can talk about this. So this is a little bit deeper dive, because my mind is in these deeper programs that I'm riffing with. And so I just wanted to share someone's up that shared with a preparing to die community and some of the stuff that I think is resonant with these deeper dimensions of what we're doing here and what's really going on. I think it's kind of cool. Okay. No, at the end of the site, we don't hold our breath. Steve at the end of the site, we just stay open. Holding your breath to me, is inhale, hold. You just exhale, and you could I guess you could say you're holding the exhalation. But I would put that with big time qualifying quotation marks. Because the idea is here. You don't want to hold anything. You just simply want to expand and extend that sense of release. So I wouldn't I think I get what you're saying but I wouldn't use the word hole. Okay. All right. Relief than an easy grasp of deep gratitude. Nice. Yes. dissipate whatever I'm feeling. For sure. Me too. Sometimes I sigh and I feel like my mind doesn't stop for even a moment. I does. Dominica, it's just that moment is so brief. There's always a gap. We may not be able to discern that gap. But the mind is full of holes your mind is holy. You have a very holy mind. Between each and every thought there's a space we may not see it because of the what the when the velocity the speed of the minds rush hour traffic jam in there, bumper to bumper but even if it's bumper to bumper there's still a little space we just don't see it. So as you hang with this so to speak. Eventually things slow died arises and you start to see okay, be patient with yourself. Explore dance. How close is contraction to afflictive emotion? Yeah, from doubt. So a contraction is at the root of all afflictive emotions Glacia if you're having an afflictive emotion or cliche attack, I love that word. That's contraction in action. For sure. Okay, so from Gail. Thanks for the question from Dallas. I was just wondering if Andrew could could offer a synonym for contraction Sure. Sure, constriction limitation. Constipation. Little just look up, look up any synonym for contraction, right? And so let me think of anything else just comes to mind. I like the word contraction and construction because this is an effective somatic, I can feel this right what I can say you can say limitation. Okay, but I don't feel limitation as much as I feel contraction. So I engage that word, because to me it has the most explanatory power and it also has kind of semantic power helps me feel I can feel contraction.

Cool, great session, extremely helpful. Wonderful, wonderful practice. This will be great to periodically during the workday. Yes, absolutely. Take a sip of space. Instead of going to the water dispenser and your business location or whatever instead of going outside for a cigarette. Step aside and take a little sip of space. I mean, these little short sessions repeated often for me are a big deal. These little, little bilities just moment to moment to moment, open, connect, open connect and remember, the other thing is happening here is a memory thing you remember, remember, remember and so for me, the short session practices Whoo, they're a big deal. From Eastern your expression of bliss meditation, yes, orgasmic is a misnomer because it's still the piston of contraction and release spot on absolutely positively. And that's why when you get addicted you know, to even that even a particular state of openness, see openness. If it isn't related to properly you have to release even the openness because then even the openness can become a state. You see what I'm saying? Then you just become a state junkie. Eventually, we're not there yet. There's only so much I can do on one session. Eventually what you want to do is actually find the openness in the contraction so that there's no longer any separation between the openness and the contraction, but that's for a different time for now. Before he can bring them together. We temporarily set them to kind of separate them set them apart. And we have obvious preference initially for this openness, this relaxation, this release for sure. But if we're not careful, then this can turn into a spiritual bypass maneuver, right. So this is very different session. Openness is fantastic expansion release. Everything is fantastic. But you don't want to get stuck there. There's all kinds of subtle spiritual traps, but for now, we'll definitely want to cultivate it. This next step is in fact the next step comes later. sighs just the feeling of letting go. Absolutely. It's just another way of talking about mental it's another way of talking about dying. Another way of talking about release Absolutely. No cool. contraction is connected. There's connection to me question to me, is contraction the same as distraction. contraction is more fundamental than even distraction. So can you be open with distraction? No. Well, it depends, I mean, depends on how you define it. You can be open with your with your distraction. In other words, you can be aware of it you can be open to it. But if you're open, you're not distracted. If you're open, you're really you're actually not distracted. So contraction is actually more foundational than even distraction. Distraction can be reduced to contraction. Okay, all right. Hey, Dr. Jay fire away, but and then anybody else who may want to have a question or comment?

Well, you know, I was going along with you. You know, it's a one side practice and I do it myself. But the point is supposedly at the end of the science appears to be rusting in open awareness. But the point is, I mean, the body will automatically you know, your autonomic nervous system will automatically cause you to take a deep breath in again. So, it's somewhat confusing to me, how can you rust there, when your body will force you to take a contraction or there won't do it automatically?

Eventually, it will, you know, it's amazing how long you can actually rest you know? When the mind slows down, the winds relax. You'll be able to take that little exhalation that little sigh and you will be it's not it's not instantaneous. I mean, if it's instantaneous that the mind is pretty speedy, then you may notice that if it is instantaneous that has to do with a higher velocity or frequency or stress or something, but absolutely, positively, at least up until a certain point there is an involuntary reflex where yes, you're going to inhale but eventually with a little bit more familiarity as the mind habituates to the space as the mind slows down a little bit there. Isn't this driving wind of the mind? You can take that little sigh You can read it out and you'll be on hanging out there for seconds. You know, it's a little bit like what's the study I think was in James nesters book, Army breath. I write it's an easy read I recommend this book is a little bestseller. It's a pretty easy read. And he he gives some interesting statistics. I mean, he shares that something like 90% of us don't know how to breathe. And that basically what's happened since the 20s. I don't remember the exact number so don't quote me on this but respiratory rates have increased something like 70% I mean, the the the literal frequency of our physical respiration has increased quite substantially over the decades. And it's also increasingly shallow. And so this is outside again, it's outside of the whole scope of learning how to breathe properly, which is boy this is a big deal thing, but it's definitely connected to it. We don't know how to breathe properly. We breathe to wrap to shallowly. We don't expel the stale winds. That's why earlier I'm sure especially with Eastern despite the practice of expelling the stale air is basically a way to re educate the way we breathe. So this explicitly connected to that but is obviously deeply related to it. And so I would suggest to you that the more you play with this, the more you relax into it, the more you do it, you may find you'll be able to take that little sip of spatial if you do exhalation, you may find yourself hanging out there longer than you think. Then of course, eventually you'll breathe. But you know you can enter you can enter a deep states of meditative absorption these Samadhi states are some jika some apathy and the Rhodus of apathy. You can enter the states and I mean you are not breathing at all. I mean you are in a state of like suspended hibernation you are alive and he's consciousness is still working. All the other consciousnesses are turned off. You're not breathing. And so these are these are profound meditative states that they're not actually that uncommon. I mean, they're just not that uncommon, where the mind just gets so quiet, the mind gets so still when settled down to such a degree. The respiration ceases right and then what happens when it starts up again? Well, that's indicative on greater or lesser degrees until you're pretty stable. That's when the contraction started up again. And so this doesn't mean we should oh my god, I'm breathing again. I'm contracting Oh god, I'm a loser. I'm never gonna be able to do this down now. Good Lord. Don't do that. This is just a way to bring in this is what's called micro phenomenology. You like these big terms Jerry song, I like to throw big terms. Here's a big term, right? Quantum phenomenology, macro phenomenology. This is just a way to develop a really elegant, granular, subtle, nuanced relationship to the movement of our breathing. It's connected to the contents of our mind and our thoughts. And even at first if it's like, what is this guy talking about? This list has no connection to me, like why? Well, eventually you hang with it. You'll start to have these experiences. And then there'll be some framework for it's like, oh, I remember. I remember some goofball, talking about this breathing thing and his connection to the thought. And so therefore, the one breath meditation, the sigh meditation, you know, these are just skill sets. These are just new tools to put in your toolkit to bring about you know, just greater capacities at least for me for sure. To expand the meditative mind into daily life.

Well, isn't isn't the in breath associated with activation of the sympathetic nervous system and the breath associated with the activation of the parasympathetic system? And from my understanding, the greatest part of the parasympathetic system is the vagus nerve.

Yeah, this is why there's all this fuss these days about the whole vagal nerve thing, right? Yeah. But you're you're saying is spot on you inhale. That's associated with sympathetic, you exhale, let's associate with parasympathetic. Again, I'm just shining a little bit away from this because you and honestly, I mean, one of the best things that people can do like when I when I was in Europe, and I was teaching all these financial people I spent a week with him in Spain. I mean, before we even touch meditation, I spent several sessions with them, just showing them how to breathe, going through the science and all this kind of stuff. And we did the resident coherent breathing thing and the three four I mean, we did all this stuff. Because if you if you kind of work your way into meditation, using this preparatory work, even with conventional respiratory techniques, they will really help you appreciate meditation instruction, and, and the whole notion of following your breath. I mean, we we give these instructions almost glibly, you know, it's like, oh, follow your breath and you know, pay attention to your body. Okay, that's great. Well, if we understand the extraordinary nuance, the elegance of what's actually happening every time like you said, every time you breathe sympathetic and parasympathetic or being active vagus, all this stuff is happening. That is so awesome. And so you shouldn't there again, okay, you don't want to sit in meditation go. Okay, I'm breathing in. Oh, that must be in the sympathetic is actually Oh, I'm breathing out. That means the parasympathetic. No, no, you get where I'm going with this right? This is here to inform you and help you appreciate Wow. Now I understand why breathing is such a central aspect of so many spiritual traditions. And so for me, when I read these books, I read the literature. It helps me understand this beautiful thing we call breath. I mean, it's our most important form of nutrition. I mean, our capacity to eat air is one of the biggest biological factors that we have, right? It's the most immediate for you can live without water, food, food for a month, maybe water for one week max. How long can you live without air? Not very long. So I just like it because it enhances all that in addition to all that kind of spiritual stuff. Okay, thank you. Welcome, homies. All right, wait, unmute yourself.

This is perfect for me. Well on almost perfect for me. My wife and I started engaging with pranayama teacher in Chennai and we recently returned from the Himalayan trek with him. But the thing about the breathing is been really powerful both for both of us. And it's interesting because in the early morning, we start out with so hum which is first very slow and deep inhalation and exhalation. Then we go from deep to medium deep, from medium deep to medium fast, from medium fast to really fast which is almost like hyperventilating then you do five rounds of that. But the interesting thing about it is that sometimes during these exercises, I go away, and I don't know where I've gone, and it's almost like yes, I have stopped breathing. And then I'll come back to myself haha, and start

with the exercise,

but it's very interesting because in my trying practice to become lucid in my dreams. I quite frequently during the morning in these practices, I get into a liminal state. And I'm not sure if I'm breathing or not. But I know I'm sort of skirting or dancing was Hypno Gogia without phenomena. So it's very interesting, very anxious.

Oh, thank you for sharing that. That's just awesome. And the fact that you mentioned I love it, the fact that you lose your your self, your sense of identity. I mean, that's fantastic. It also shows that some of these kind of really exalted esoteric experiences of selflessness and egolessness they have to be these big events. The whole know, if you just pay attention, you realize that Eagles list and ego are popping in and out of existence all the time. And so can you have an experience of egolessness like that, that's a glimpse of the natural state. And that's a very ordinary state. I mean, it's actually very common. And so when you start to see it and goes, Wow, this is really this is just pretty bloody ordinary, right? And so the fact that you share that it was awesome, and maybe because we would increase familiarity with that. You will start to realize, moment to moment to moment, you know, these lightning fast speeds. The self sense is coming in and out of existence constantly, constantly. And you start to see this, and to me that is really empowering, because it shows how we're constantly trapping ourselves in this egoic samsaric prison, and therefore how we can constantly open and release you know, it's so immediate, so this stuff is also really, really empowering. So thank you for sharing that. That's awesome. Cool. Okay, thank you. Okay, Pam, that's just a Senate thing here from Ann. How about resistance as a synonym chicken traction? Yes. I think you could say that as well. Resistance is another one. But uh, yeah, again, whatever works for you. That is a synonym that I have no issue with. I think that's great. Cool.

Sir.

Wait, let me see if I hold on. This might be my dog. Well, then. You might want to say hi you.

Yeah, so, so here's my teacher. This is Tashi. If you haven't met him before. So this time she is the is the one who does the psi practice for me right. Can you see how stressed he is? Oh, poor baby. Now you can see why he has to sigh all day long because 18 hours of sleep just isn't enough.

I love this guy.

scratching it by study to her. He's the best Okay, problem as far away.

Two quick questions. What is the definition of Tashi again?

yeah basically when they say Good day or good morning they go touchy delay. So touchy means like good fortune auspicious kind of thing. So it's basically connected to auspicious good fortune.

Okay, awesome. On the inhale and exhale in your experience if if we, in your experience had Have you been attaching a syllable to the inhale and exhale. Do you find that effective?

Yes, that again, I'm trying to keep things simple, but yes, it's called a Basra recitation. So I didn't want to throw it I don't want to confuse people. But I learned this through your retreat where you inhale on top of the respiration, ah, exhale, home, on, on, on home, so it's called vasara. Recitation about your breath. So if that works for you, fine. I just wanted to keep things simple.

So that the gap between the inhale and exhale

Correct. Yeah. So yeah, so on inhale, top of the inhalation brief hold. Exhale home and then there's there's no recitation No, not nothing at that the gap between the exhale on the inhale. It's just on a hole. Okay. Thank you, sir. Welcome. Okay. Hey, Monica. Hi.

Thanks so much. I. One thing that I've experienced for many, many years when doing this type of SCI meditation is that before the emergence of that next thought, or the first thought after this side, is that I feel this subtle undercurrent of, like mental movement. It hasn't. I think of like the analogy of the ocean and the waves. I'm feeling this sort of almost like this undulation of some level of consciousness, and then at a certain point that will take form into like, you know, this real mental construct of a thought, but I guess my first question is, Do other people experience that? And what do you I don't know, I'm just kind of throwing it out there. What do you make of that?

They'll totally they experience it, but they may not be metacognitive of it. So this is the difference between access and phenomenal consciousness. So we have all sorts of things are happening, that we that we experience, but we don't have access metacognitively so we can't report on it. And so the fact that you have that is, is fantastic, because that's actually what's happening before the arising of fully manifest thought. There is in fact this undulation of again, whatever metaphor you want to use and under tow, an undercurrent, subtle wind, subtle vibration, pre verbal, pre cognitive, pre articulate, there's, there's something there that's about to give birth, this kind of potentiality and that is wonderful. You can see that that's another that's an instance of this kind of micro fee like big words for Prime from das micro phenomenology, you're starting to be aware that before the arising of any phenomenal content, especially in this case, your mind. There is this this you can even say pre temporal or spatial, pre verbal, kind of whatever energy, vibration, sound, light, whatever you want to call it. And then as you notice, you know, it'll come to life as a fully manifest thought, or if you're asking that sometimes it's almost kind of almost like a liminality space in itself. You can rest in that kind of vibratory field before the experience becomes fully manifest. Now you want to you want to know how deep this goes. So in in indulge me for one minute, you'll see how cool this is. There are no particles, there's no matter in material world, there's no pixels. The only thing that exists are fields, quantum field theory, so basically 17 quantum fields, and what constitutes a particle is it's just this This is hardcore, mainstream physics, and you'll see how this applies to this. Has a direct correlation. What happens what actually constitutes a particle in the so called material world if that material but provisionally is basically an excitation of the field? That's all a particle is there's just like what I was talking about earlier. Like there's only awareness. There's only these fields. What constitutes particles are momentary, fleeting, vibrant, excitation, stimulations, whatever you want to call it, that's what particles are. And so in the same way, there's only experience where I was using the term awareness. There's only the field of subjectivity. What constitutes an experience in that is, is stimulation and excitation of the field. So whether you say there's only experience or they say there's only experience or I guess if we're going to be consistent, we will say there's only the experience or even though there isn't one, so this language falls apart here. But the reason I mentioned this is before, before the particle comes into existence, before you come into existence or any articulate phenomena, it comes into existence. There is a pre manifesting, whatever you want to call it, undercurrent, vibration, whatever. And then you can feel it. And it's a it's a magnificent discovery. Because you realize that underlying the whole thing is this, you know, you could say implicate order. I mean, there's so many terms appended to this, but long winded answer to really wonderful insight on your part, that there is out of the formlessness again, in Buddhist language you would say to us Hey, actually yeah.

so touchy does one when I started talking too much, that's his way of shutting me up. So out of this infinite field, completely formless field, there comes this energetic impulse. The Buddhists would append the label symbol Gurkha to that from that then comes fully manifest what we call reified form, that's nirmanakaya. So there's all kinds of ways to formulate this particular experience. But the most important thing is in fact that you're having that experience which is great. And you start to see this this kind of gestational field, right? Have you haven't quite given birth yet. There's this field of infinite potentiality that expresses itself as this kind of we get again, energetic vibration, whatever you want to call it, and then you'll see it, pop. And so that's really awesome. That's the quality of your mind slowing down to the point where you can start to suss this out. So is that helpful?

Yeah, yeah. Another thing, not to take too much time, but I just wanted to sort of add to that, I probably first became aware of that and started feeling that many years ago, I was a student of Kempo cartoon for che who Yeah, and he had this he would he would teach us is when you're in that space, to watch for the moment where the first thought emerges, and to watch really closely for how that happens. And that's really cool.

Yeah, he's a great teacher. I loved him as well. So good. For you. Thanks for sharing that. That's awesome. Very cool. Okay, Darrell, fire away. In the meantime, let me see if there's anything here with a stimulation to the field of awareness of results and experience be what contraction is yes. Good for you, Laura. It's another way to talk about what that ineffable thing that gives rise to form would be yes. So that would be another way to talk about it. Good for you. Okay, Darrell Farley.

Okay. So along those same, that same line is in that state, I frequently experienced. I'm really curious about it. It feels like when your life would flash before your eyes in as you die or that's death process. It's like instant flashes. Of being in different parts of experiences that I've had. But it's not thinking it's not mine. I'm there. So it's either it could be even a book or a film. It's just the experience. It's like I'm observing, but it's a flash. It's like a flipbook or I kind of liken it to Alice going down and watching all the little, you know, the shelves. Just like Ting Ting Ting Ting Ting is super bad, but they are 100% Present. Like I'm there. I know the direction the air quality is. So I'm wondering about that. It feels like what how your life would flash before your eyes.

Yeah, so I'm not sure where you want me to go with this.

With that state because this is this something that is noted in the Buddhist, you know, is logged somewhere. What is this? Um

maybe maybe repeat a little bit what I was doing is I was trying to correlate what you were saying to a Dominica was sharing and so maybe irrespective of that, or or maybe just say it again in a slightly different way, because I was trying to equate that more with what she was experiencing. So, yeah,

it feels very clear. It's almost like everything shifts. The space I'm in completely shifts, like fully experiencing it, and at the same time I am experiencing all of the other experiences such explained I'm wondering about that state if

If so, let me make sure I just understand what you're saying. So so you're it sounds like you're in meditation, right? So you're in acquiescent, somewhat settled. Tranquil space, right. And your are your your eyes open or closed? I mean, everything you're talking about is a phenomenon arising within within your mind. In other words, you're not you're not mixing it with sensory experience. This is something that's arising within your mental with your interiority, correct? Yeah. And so then that again, I'm just trying to understand so within that, then you notice these little vignettes, so to speak, you notice these little flashes of experience and images and whatever just popping up from all over?

Yeah, it's almost like time to, like get this super fast flash. Like, the field. Like they're they're flashes, but they they are very present. So I'm wondering if it's in that state where I'm observing it, okay. I'm not thinking at the top.

Exactly. So there's just witness awareness. So you're, you're sitting back, you're in the theater of the mind. And you're noticing to me I mean, it sounds a little bit like what I experienced in certain states of liminality where I'm in this kind of plasma dimension, you know, not quite awake, not quite asleep all this stuff is kind of popping it out of my mind. It's hard to say for sure. The although what what comes to mind around that is you know what? What gives birth to everything in relative arena is the eighth consciousness and so this to me sounds like the winds moving seeds from the eighth consciousness into conscious awareness. And so you're, you're you're kind of in this somewhat liminal phase, the mind settled so you're not completely overdone consciousnesses one through five are turned off, more or less. It's mostly six consciousness, acting as a witness, and then noticing the fleeting arising of these kinds of hiccups. And so, I want to ask the ringer to Riverchase a question similar to this, when I was exploring the laws of karma, and what gives rise you know, they have the Four Laws of transitional karma, that are fundamentally at work with the arising of any particular phenomena. And I asked him, I said, Richard, you know, I was wondering, can we use the same laws to apply to the arising of the birth of the contents of mind? And he said, you know, he goes, I'm not sure but I don't see any reason why not. And so to me, what I'm what I'm thinking of here is normally what takes place in our stream of thought is due to the first three forms of heavy karma which is heavily associated. So in this case, it would be heavy Kira would be the a particular thought is quite intimately connected to a preceding thought. also connected to that would be the next one is called proximate karma. Then there's habitual karma and then the last one is the one I'm getting at is called random karma. And what is he is in this relates to the rebirth life to life. I would argue that it applies moment to moment, that sometimes when we're in because I've again, I've experienced what you're talking about, where there seems to be these just discontinuous, they're not necessarily contiguous. Right? One is unnecessarily connected or related to the other, right? They're just these like pixels of experience popping up. Yes, I would conjecture that that's an expression of random karma where where the winds are just blowing up these particular seeds of memory in the eighth storehouse, and then you're having these little kind of episodic, almost like, staccato experiences. imagistic and otherwise, that aren't really being glued together. So that is what makes sense to me in terms of doctrine, they might help you explain it, and

oh, yeah, that's interesting, because it almost feels like the moments perhaps that I have been very, very lucid. When it's so clear, then that it feels like those are arising like, because I'm feeling the lucidity of the experience like being there. So, and I felt that it was like, Oh, this is probably that state you go in when your life flashes before your eyes there

could be I can't I can't speak to that. That is something I can't that I can't make a connection to with what you said but it could be so in

your thought out teachings. Is there anything about life that flat during your life flashes before your eyes? Is there any of that and here's a

life review kind of thing, but life okay, yeah, that can happen in several different stages of the dissolution process, either stage five or even deeper. But yeah, that's that's actually quite common in the near death experience literature as well. These types of review type things. I mean, the Buddha, remember, allegedly before he attained his ultimate awakening, what happened to him is he was able to recall not only this past life, but all his previous lives, right. So before the night of his awakening under the Bodhi tree, one of the things he had this this capacity to just let every single life not just what happened, and that is the Prince Siddhartha, but every single lead up to that point. So this is this is fairly common in the kindness illogical literature.

It's not that there's any storyline at all. It's just like,

exactly, it's there. There's no superglue. Yeah, exactly. So there's no fundamental narrative, right? It's just phenomenal rising. Yes. It's Yes. It's just pixels of experience coming from the eighth consciousness.

That is, that's great, because sometimes we wouldn't be knocked off sometimes. I guess. I got stuck there. I'm like, What is this? That is the it helps, you know, this is just pixels arising. Okay. Got it.

I find it interesting too, because it's also before the those pixels have been fused together. Before they can stitch together to create a narrative that creates a storyline around them. So you're, it's like you're seeing the bricks and mortars of your mental contact before ego comes in to stitch them together into some semblance of a self. And so those experiences I find actually quite compelling and provocative that way. It's like well, you know, I noticed that sometimes also in insomnia, what I used to call insomnia states where I'd wake up in the middle of the night and they were just be this like, this amazing kind of rapid fire completely non continuous, completely discontinuous fragments of whatever arising, I find those things super interesting. You know, to say exactly what it is. That's difficult, but that's what comes to

mind. Great. Thank you.

Okay. All right. So maybe one quick thing here and then we'll close it with those rigpa actually contract. No, rigpa doesn't change at all. Repurpose the changeless nature. If not what makes it appear to contract, wind? Ignorance, it depends on you know, the contraction, you can talk about the contraction. It's another way to talk about what happens when the winds blow. It's another way to talk about what happens when the lights go into runaway. So we're talking we're using images to portray that which is rather difficult to put into reify terms so you can talk about it as when light contraction rigpa doesn't contract. bricklayer remains changeless you know, it's the wind at Sam. Right? Ah, Nam che contracts. What enters brick by have intermediate contractions like a quantum field and I'm gonna let that one slide till next time. It depends on how you define the changeless nature. I'm going to let that slide just because I'm too lazy to answer it right now. But it's a good question my friend Giada cattails. Yes, the Jotika tales are the stories of previous lives of the Buddha, right. Okay, everybody paid ran a little bit longer than normal, but that's fine. So at the end of this Oh before I forget, second Tuesday of the month, that's tomorrow. This is when we do our medical science session with Dr. Ed O'Malley. I attend 99% of these. I'll be there tomorrow. He's really great. And we talked about some really fun stuff. So that's tomorrow. We got a full week. Thursday we got the q&a thing. But if you want to do the dedication in America, if that means anything to you, whatever we've done has been of any value, we gather it, we send it out to all sentient beings, so that we don't keep this stuff to ourselves. And then until then, not just pleasant dreams but pleasant. Lucid dreams. Nice. To see everybody. Till next time, ciao ciao. recording stopped