Bloomfield Planning Board meeting, December 15, 2020

3:47PM Dec 16, 2020

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Afternoon wait a minute wait a minute hold on hold on. Yeah, the only one that's not here is Mr. Harvey and I didn't get an answer from him. So

I don't know if he's okay. But then then you have to give me a minute because Garrett started to get it started with child 35. You want us to get started? But yeah, everybody can unmute themselves now. That's not nothing. Oh,

wait a minute. That's not

Oh, wait a minute. Mr. Harvey's coming on.

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Oh, there you are. No, I

didn't see you. There. Yes. Yes.

Hold on. Can we give them the countdown to go? We're live.

Ready.

Yep.

The regular meeting of the planning board Township. Tuesday, December 13 2020. is now in session. There. Could you read in the timetable? Person thing?

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you're killing me? No, I don't have it. Thank you. I never bring that. There won't be nothing. Okay. He usually like for Warren's May when he doesn't have something

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now. Yeah. Within a millisecond doesn't have the building what's called a quaglia.

Time beautification and agenda of this meeting was provided in these 48 hours prior to commencement of this meeting. And finally, were to facilitate provisions of chapter 231 of the lovemaking. 75 open public meetings act. One of my postings has now Arizona both employed the musical building and

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Okay, meeting somebody. All right. I'm Dr. Hill.

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okay, Mr. lafora. Here, Mr. czaka. Mr. Harvey and Mr. babila. Yeah. Mr. Watkins. Mr. lassic. Councilman Rockwell here, Mr. Stone. Here, Miss Richardson. Here Chairman lapaglia. Here. Also present is Anthony Murphy, the board engineer and Mike Rubin the board attorney.

First Order resolution,

I have resonable resolution you hear me resolution recommended that the governing body of the township of blofield designate 84 dash 90 Broad Street block to 45 watts four and seven, which are improved with the Bloomfield Public Library and civic center and accessory parking as a non condemnation area in need of redevelopment pursuant to the local redevelopment and housing law, NJ s a 40, a colon 12 a dash one et CQ and determined that 98 Broad Street block 245 lat 10 and 37 State Street bought 245 lat 31 privately owned parcels do not qualify for designation as an area and in need of redevelopment. This could be either Mr. Bob Yulin, Dr. Hill, Mr. Ford, Mr. lassic, Miss Richardson, Councilman Rockwell, Mr. Watkins, Mr. zinka, or Chairman lapaglia.

Dr. Hill.

Okay. Mr. babila? Yeah. Dr. Hill? Well, Mr. Before? Yes, Mr. lassic? Yes. Miss Richardson? Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes. Mr. Watkins. Yes, Mr. Chairman? Yes. So

means

October the sixth and November. Any questions about the minutes? Everybody? Everybody got them in advance? Everybody got a motion to approve the minutes of those two days? I heard Mr. fabula. And then I saw what Mr. Stern was. made the motion to second.

Okay, let's start.

I've stayed on there.

Okay.

Okay. Now,

as I said prior, we are going to change is the board to approve this the January 12. Meeting like the moment to January the 19th at 7pm. I want to do that first because we are going to have in a tournament one of the applications to see if anybody question it. Does anybody have a problem with the heck

yeah, motion? Oh, wait a minute.

Somebody say yes.

I said yes.

Let's do you can't be there.

The 19th is our HPC meeting for me and come from the rock without to be choosers. The attendance of the planning board. So

a number of you know, we work that we had worked together to make sure we didn't have any conflicts between UDP and TCP is here. And it's correct.

You want to go with the next Tuesday,

which was at the 26th day

right now, hold on. Is the 26th. Correct?

Does anyone have a problem with January 26? Now, I mean, I think given what's going on, most of us are free these days. Alright, so January 22. Mr. RUBIN, are you okay with that date?

You have to unmute yourself, Mike.

Yes, thank you. Okay. Okay. So we'll have a motion then to move the day. The regular meeting dates of Jericho on January the 12th of 2021. January 25 2021 at 7pm in the motion to make them make that motion.

I heard Mr. Stern first. I think that's okay.

Anybody opposed? Nice. Okay, so proper notice

I got

six, seven. Okay. Next door. You need to discussion with the application of 104. We're waiting on gunnery straight. In session with Mr. roci. And Mr. RUBIN, it was pretty much determined that even though Mr. Klein through the traffic and parking study now wasn't, yeah. You're shaking your head, Mr. Klein.

Is that correct? Hold on, hold on.

Sorry. Okay. Okay. There is no traffic expert on what else?

So we didn't

have a board to bring in our own traffic expert. And I asked her to do a study on this. Because any objection to that? All right. So can I have a motion to improve your cider to be the traffic and parking study? For one away Montgomery street? stores late last night, so

I think you want a second?

Second, all in favor? Aye. Okay, so this this thing here is yes. Yes, it is. So Mike will take care of whatever has to be taken care of. We've already been speaking about this. Things are moving. So

it's Thank you.

Okay.

next order of business application of actually 1061 Lima curry street LLC as application and 1061 winning with me state or save some rules. Angela, I called as owners for luminary. And finally just take an approvable solebury just in any such as may be required from the zoning ordinance of the township of Louisville to construct a new four storey multifamily apartment building and garden department orgies on apprentices known as math nine team block for 81 months 16 and 17 are known as 104 dash one or at my company Street. And we have a mod from their attorney.

by email coaching call venues for secretarial support, or any one of those six days one only Montgomery street LLC 114 dash one only Montgomery street block 481 laws 16 and 17. answers from the ash Yamamoto law firm he presents I want to do respectfully requesting in German with regard to the above capture man, we're requesting an application for Windows 6108 Montgomery street LLC scheduled December 15 2020 meeting of the Board Care Planning Board be adjourned until the next regular scheduled meeting appears on the app the applicant, please announce the meeting date at the December 15 2020 meeting. So the applicant does not have to read or hear application it considering him it is in German request. The applicant agrees to suspend any and all applicable time limitations for the use of violation for the duration of the term and to do an advantage for your time and assistance in connection request. Yours truly like OPM is wire and then why is that being said there's motion into a journalist for the January 26 meeting. Please, somebody

who's that, Matt. Yeah, thank you. Sure. I heard Mr. Laporte. Okay, hold

on, let me just write the sun.

Okay, Dr. Hill.

Dr. Hill.

Mr. Laporte? Yes. Mr. zinka. Mr. babila. Mr. Watkins? Yes. Mr. lassic? Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes, Miss Richardson. Yes, Chairman lapaglia.

Yes, I shall move in my job. Take care of the finance

And I'll notify them. Yes.

The 26th Okay. Now next order of business application of April and Gary Hill as advocates and Chris Connelly as owner for minor site plan approval and any sense of relief as may be required by the zoning ordinance of the township a bill failed to one educational childcare center school, my first time learning center in the neighborhood. Visit me to zoning on premises donors we have since bought 94 law 22 are known as 43. Dish 4545. Dodge Street.

Yes, I think the applicant is present

as it is.

April, she's. And Gary,

make sure

both of you raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Can you both state your name for the record? April Whoa,

there we go.

Thank you.

I am moving on the 23rd floor. I just have a question for you. Just to clarify. My first time childcare center is that an entity and LLC corporation or anything like that?

A partnership?

It's a partnership. Okay. All right.

We like to see we're good. Yep. Okay, fine. Now,

the first thing was

the application or gallery, attorney here, now, you're going to delete yourself.

Okay. Just so you know, as we begin this, you have traffic and parking evaluation by just decline. Okay, and your way, of course, is to go way back. And remember this decline here. over the area I and in this area. And speaking with some of our our own experts, I feel I've shown this a couple of the experts on this board that is in it's also in the best interest of the planning board, and we bring our own traffic engineering was started on this awesome. He want to say something to you, right. So in any case, I'll just make a point that boring. I like to hire Mr. Schneider, at this time to deal with traffic and parking evaluation of this property and possibly work together with Mr. client, some sort of ending in this. If I may. Mr. Chairman, I just want to interject here. As I'm speaking with Mr. Mariucci. One of the things that concerns us is there is currently there are currently two applications before the board of adjustment, one for 17 units and 59 God's Street and I don't remember how many units at 55 Lords St. 50 units or 55 more. So C 505. up. Okay. So given the proximity of those two projects to this project, we were concerned about the need to incorporate the possibility that they may be approved the 59 dodge street application is more than likely to be approved it was approved previously went to litigation in the settlements come back. This is just to approve the settlement which is a reduction in density down 17 units and 55 watts. Lawrence, I have no idea but it seems to me previously incorporated possibly possibility to both projects and be approved into any analysis, particularly for the parking analysis and what that might be an apartment in that neighborhood. Is that something Mr. Steiger data obtained the information on what's presented in those two cases? Yes, Nicole could get him the plans for both of those cases, as well as Mr. Klein's well so that they can talk about it and confirming hopefully, cooperatively whether that the staff will really affect anything here.

So you said 59 dodge street dimension,

of course, unmuted the Westinghouse site, which is right around the corner and which is on 376 units or whatever that number is I don't know whether that's going to matter, either. So Joe was involved in that, if I recall. So he's very familiar with that project as well as the one across the street, what was that 32 units, 36 units, whatever that has been stolen, of course, as well why obsessing and,

and

barter and regard

assessing and

chainstays

is first thing has gone through.

So it seems to me that is part of the analysis of this project, all those developments that are either have been approved or are in the hopper should be part of the consideration of the expert.

So

correct me if I'm wrong, I find it might be in the best interest of the applicant. If again, we adjourn this until Mr. cybrary. Mr. Klein can look over the projects that are going to be built every we do a study from there. And this is from working with Mr. Klein, I'm sure you've worked together before. And getting the information from Nicole is always as easy as anything. So you know, it might be center something more than just a warden for Mr. Steiger, again, with a client to look over what's going to be coming here in the near future, before we make a decision on what we're going to allow for. Does anybody disagree with me on that point?

I have a question. Just

what we're talking about here. Are you talking about the eligibility of the application or the timing of the application?

I don't know what you mean by that?

is are we suggesting that there might be an issue in terms of availability of parking in the area because of what's already been going up? And

that might affect this application?

When the location is Mr. Stern, there's no on site parking. There's no on site drop off for the children. What they were wanting to use with the two side streets arch and I believe large Street, right, because the client, okay, there is parking available on them, but how much is going to be available? And the bottom line? You understand what I was saying? Correct, sir.

And Miss warning? Yes.

Okay, Mr. Klein, raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. just state your name for the record.

Leading middle initial DS and Daniel Klein,

k L. E. Im Thank you, Mr. Klein.

My license, my professional license is current and my professional traffic operation certification is also correct.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

There's also and I know maybe Paul or Anthony conveniences, whether it's under construction yet, but there's also the apartment building that's going on at the end of art street on our street just as part of the other project. Phase the

phase two of the lofts.

Yes. In the apartment building on our street build I don't even know if it's under construction yet or not. But I was that. My recollection is that that was supposed to be an affordable building in Anthony correct?

Well, it was a combination was three storey like townhouse five units plus the affordable.

Okay, so those those there's a whole townhouse component that's part of that as well. Anyway, affordable apartment building that last week for an arch Street. So I don't know that may eliminate parking spaces, that you may be counted.

Those applications require parking variance.

No. curb cuts that don't exist today. They're going to be necessary actually. Actually,

they do. 55 Lords does not have adequate part. I I'm not a swarm engineer yet.

Have you seen

one at a time cuz I can't keep a record here. Just in case. Anybody raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? statement for the record. And for the moment.

The projects that Mr. RUBIN referred to 59 industry has a parking variance of 55. Lawrence also is asking for a parking ban. They call it they pull The minimus varies from marsyas. But they're significant. And so the answer is yes, there are parking there.

But other than 59, God, have you heard 55 warrants or the Westinghouse MacArthur project?

We've heard that

155. That is on for Thursday. Okay. My understanding for metering call me today is that since their last on the honor, that was that was first on the agenda right there first on the agenda.

Now, I think they're number two. Okay. there first,

and I did the report for 59 dodge Street, right.

And now it's coming back for a better reduced density appraisal also on Thursday, but that is going to be a jerk because they're last on the agenda. Well,

can I ask you this, what

would be wrong with us at least getting our testimony on. And that way Mr. stocker can listen to what I have to say you can review my report. And we can talk about the number of parking spaces that this use requires. It's different than a normal child daycare center, you'll hear from me, bro, how this center works. And then you'll maybe leave some of your concerns about parking, because of the timeframes that we're looking at seven to 830 in the morning, parking for drop off. And then again, some parking from three to six, possibly a lot of parents walking their child to the center on their way to the train station or at work. So there's a lot of things we have to get on the record first, before you can even say that there's going to be a problem.

Can I just ask that? In regards to that? Yes. How are you licensed? The license to the state, but not give licenses chotto care center or the license in some other way? No, we

are licensed as a childcare center. Also serving school aged children, our license allows us to have children from the age of zero to 13 years, we have a current site that we are we have been operating since 2007 and 23. Amish, apart from Home Depot.

And know that that's not my question, though. My question is, are you licensed as a childcare center? like a like a childcare center has one would think of where they come in at 730 in the morning and leave 530 at night or the same license?

It won't be the same license as the one that we currently have. This one would be for school aged children only on 617 years old. Okay. So you would be licensed on a different

regulatory scheme than a normal childcare center? Correct?

Yes. Or the state of New Jersey as well.

Okay, then we can proceed with this because the party analysis is based upon you being a farm Care Center, which

is fine used in our ordinance. And we don't know what this use is, and we got to figure that out. But

I just want to ask a follow up question for that. If it's not a childcare center, Miss Hill, you don't need a an outdoor playground, then? No, we

don't.

I just want to I just want to have it on the record because I These are questions that I have in my report. And so it's important that the board knows that

it's perfectly fine, actually, for my own respective today just to pass it on. But for school age programs, which usually only serve before care and aftercare, not required for them to have a outdoor play ever because it's not considered an early childhood program is a school age program. fascinate. And that's what that's what made me question how you were licensed.

Because when I saw that, in your letter that you wrote to the board, we dated December 9, I said to myself, well, maybe that means that their license into a different scheme. And third licensing is generally seen as I mean, they've just set up a different party now just because they're not as biocare. Now, maybe that works to your benefit, I don't know. But I it's something I need to go through this the cyber founder, Mr. Steiner, Mr. Klein, he did talk about the C was a follow up to particularly if you become an educational institution, and you know, I don't know the answer to that. And then you may be subject to a more severe parking requirement or less of your parking, but I don't know why you look at that. And that's something we have to talk about and resolve.

Just one more. Okay. Just

Just one more follow up question. How many employees would be involved in the

operation? That would depend on the number of children that we are approved for? Will do you know how many of you are approved word right now our courtesy inspection will allow us to have 72 children, but we will have to get a steal from the county. For us, that was state how many children will be allowed or people will be allowed in a live vote? So that really depends on what the county says.

Okay, but let's say you just wanted to do this. Yes. How many employees would you need for 22? students,

we would need anywhere between four and five, it depends on the ratios that goes by the state, and school age children, for six to 13. The ratios are 15 children to every one staff member, but we take into account the energy of the children, of course, and, you know, whatever

the load is, in, I only bring this up, because, Mr. RUBIN, the reason I bring it up is because childcare centers I believe, don't need parking. But But this is not a childcare center in the usual terminology. So with those number four is they will need parking, I would

imagine,

our employees are usually from the area they either take public transportation, or they want, we have very few employees that have cars. These are, these are all important questions to ask now, so that the traffic engineers can get together and follow up with. Absolutely I agree,

I don't disagree at all.

But I would like to say to the matter that we get done with a regular childcare center, you have to take into account, people that come with parents come with children that are very small, and have car seats and have strollers and it takes up a lot of time for them to get out and bring your children to the door with this age group of children is pretty much in and out. And even So in a sense, where if parents give their children the permission, the permission to walk to the site, on their own, it has to be written permission, they can do that themselves if they're in the surrounding areas. But I'm what I'm trying to get you to understand is just the whole timeframe of things I need to know.

And the experts are doing that. And I just have another question. Do you currently operate what we would consider a normal daycare center? Where you where you work where you're taking care of children who are preschoolers? Yes. Over on orange street?

Yes, we take care of all ages on street, even six to 13.

Okay. But I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, I'm just saying if it's also about all ages, yes. And we are in our industry, now you don't take care of 123 40 miles. Here, we'll be closing that facility.

Now we won't. Okay, moving the school aged children out of the facility with the smaller children and bringing them over to the other side. So that they can focus on things like their homework, their virtual learning, remote learning before I can't get into school, without you know, all the everything else going around at the site that we're at now? And who's moving those shows and keep them the site that we have?

Would you have the ability to provide Nicole with the I don't even know, the regulatory citation for the regulatory scheme that you get licensed under, plainly

talking about courtesy inspection from the state.

In other words, you can get a license to to operate this facility from the division of youth and Children's Services correct.

Department of Children and Families. Yes,

IT department to children and families services, you're going to get a license. That license is going to say pursuant to statute data. No, no, no, no, no, you're hereby authorized to operate this facility. Yes. I want to know what that statute statute is. I want to know that what what law you're licensed under our immediate understanding better than I do? Because I have no knowledge of it whatsoever.

Okay,

so you want to know what,

what the law is? What law governs your operations?

And another

question, here is the Billy email, Nicole a copy of your license application?

Right? Absolutely. Could you do that for me?

I can't, doesn't have to be now it doesn't have to be now. If you could just do it in the next few days, so that I can then try to chase that backwards and figure out how this whole thing's supposed to operate and what the obligations and requirements are legally. Okay, so

let me explain something to you really quick. Look at the license application. There are a number of things that come into play when it deals with applying for a license. You Did you have to have radon testing words?

I just I just want the form, I do not want your application, I just want you to email her a link to the form or some way that I can access the form so that I can understand what it is you're being licensed at. Okay, that's all I need. I only use a specific application.

Okay.

Okay, that would be great. And then in turn, Mr. Rogan, you can pass it on to Mr. Sigler. Mr. Klein, and we just have a routine and relevant to the board and the professionals certainly informed.

Can I just ask Mike, which one which projects Did you say other than 59 DoD and 55? Large street? What other projects do you want me to get to Mr. Klein and Mr. Steiger?

155 washing

laundry

is that the addressing

now? 5555. Lines big.

What's the big project?

Westinghouse?

That's a No,

no. The other one. Oh, Lord St. Lawrence in orange.

Parkway

last phase to a nipple

once he dresses. Oh,

that's also 55 Warren Street.

Yeah. No, it's not.

I thought the church is doing something.

The church was on the corner.

Yeah. Churches, the church is 55. The Parkway last fall is phase two.

Okay. Well, that

was there's that there's Westinghouse is the project in the corner of one sensing and Westinghouse Plaza.

So that

to the Westinghouse projects,

right, right.

All right. We're gonna have to figure out specifically which ones because Westinghouse has a lot has a few will go on. Okay, that's fine.

We didn't get to do that now. Okay. Okay. So in case, as long as it's progressing, I believe we should return this to the January meeting, at which time, the applicant will I won't have time to get whatever information we require. And Mr. Snyder here in just a client and get together possibly working on some sort of a plan for this application. To be hired, this is Tiger for this job yet? I don't believe so.

We didn't move it.

Yes.

Is an SI listener would like to speak.

So I just had the theme of decline. Come along, and now I'm hoping to answer. So now we have to

pay your traffic engineer. Well, you don't have to pay to traffic engineers. That's correct. Yeah. Can I say something? Please?

Oh, Mr. Klein,

Mr. Point is only Okay.

Can I at least get my report on the record. And then you can see the impact of the available parking on Arash, Lawrence and DOD as leaders, and the impact of seven or eight parked cars for 10 minutes at a time for an hour and a half in the morning, same thing over a three hour period of the afternoon for staff parking somewhere on the street, as opposed to thinking that if I have 12 parking spaces in the morning available, and I'm going to take up seven or eight of them in the morning, that there's not going to still be two or three left. Even if you take away the driveway here and put putting a driveway here and take out a parking space there. I don't know that this is such a large job that it's going to impact the parking on arch Lawrence and died when

you say my opinion on this, okay. It's not so much the size of the job. You have children involved here. You have children and parents dropping children off. That's our concern. So see, as far as I'm concerned, it's a safety. net. This is similar. Now, my opinion, and Mr. barocci will chime in if they disagree with me. I believe it's not fair to Mr. Snyder. If you do your report now, I think it's more conducive for him to see the traffic study. And then he can converse with you about this, and then you can make your proposal. But before that, I don't believe it's fair for Mr. Snyder, to just listen to what you're saying. I think you should be able to see it, and whose own calculations on something that you guys should possibly work together with. All right.

The reports been in since late October, early November. It's the rookies report is dated November 21. Now here we are in November, December 15. And we're just getting another traffic engineering review report. I mean, Mr. Buchi had some questions just to talk about About the drop off pickup and where the staff has been parked and I have that in. My

name is declined. Your traffic expert and I have you're not the board's attorney, I don't really think you should be making this argument on their behalf. I don't think that's your role. I think that if the board decided that they need a traffic expert, and they want to hear traffic expert, I think you should be ready to. And I can just move in the same way that I'm doing it. Oh, who said that? Oh, yes.

So I would like to put them on a little bit. Because what I what I heard, the last part of that is that the applicants have to pay an additional person to come in and do what someone has already done. I would like clarification on that if someone attorneys carry on for a little bit more

about that process. That's true for every extra we hire when we dismiss maroochy. They pay for Mr. G's time is pink, or my time where I write those illusions. That's the law board has the right to bring in their experts that they think or necessarily help them understand and evaluate an application. And that that time and that cost is attributed to the applicants escrow account by law. And so what happens often and we do here, we've had Mr. Steiger on a number of matters, where an applicant will come in with their professional, their professional traffic expert in particular. And we want a counter report, it may entirely agree with what the professional says, professionals and advocate on behalf of the applicant. And the board is looking for someone who will look at this a little bit more objectively, on behalf of the board. Sometimes they feel that's necessary. And sometimes it's not necessary. So it's really up to the board to decide if and when they think that's necessary. This is sort of an unusual application. We haven't had very many of these childcare type applications where there was no on site parking and no on site drop off and pickup. And, and if the gorge on comfortable proving that without some additional professional advice, that's not unreasonable.

And I thank you for that explanation, and really, really helps to understand a little bit. And it's still a little bit baffled, if you're saying to the traffic engineer, that he will consult with someone. And that's not really a public consultation, if you're hiring somebody. So actually, I am just understanding the process myself. I'm an advocate and thing when I don't know.

We've always tried to make this a collaborative process between our professionals and their professionals to come up with solutions to any problems that are identified before they get to the board or not trying to solve the board level. Hopefully, professionals will come up with solutions that they all agree with, and they can present a unified plan to the board, which saves us a lot of time and the African a lot of money. So we have always worked in a way where we ask the professionals to collaborate with the African professionally off off the record in Africa come up with the plan, that is the best plan that they can possibly present.

Okay, so.

Dr. Hill, do you understand? Thank you. That's

a good question.

Yeah,

um,

number one, I heard that we had 22 based on a courteous courtesy inspection from the state SEO lab that point to people that like now, and I mean, or in the near future, is that prior to them issue a license? That is based on measurements taken in this case? So yeah, so you're not allowed to put anybody in there until you have the license? Right.

We can do anything.

Right is is selected based on the state is there and is there a potential for that number to either go up or down? It can go down. Yes. Okay. And what does the county have to do it? That's what I'm not understanding for the county also.

No, actually

We have to go through the city to get our way you call it beyond

zoning, basically, yeah,

we went to zoning first, right. And and I spoke with the guy there and he let me know that it will be everything will be okay. Either the application goes everything I've got the letter back said that there was some questions about the parking because there was no parking on that side of the road. But there was public parking over and over here and over there, whatever it was, you have a question about what we were doing, it was all over. So in turn, I was told, we were told to hire a traffic expert. I worked with me in the past. So that's what we did. We did everything we resolved to do. I know that we cannot move until we get approval from the city, nothing can be done. And then after that, we go for what do you what do you call those when you do electrical and and by the way, to go through all of that, before we get it, we got to do everything before we can even go back to the seat. This is what I was trying to say about the application. And I understand that he just wants to see a blank application. But I'm not sure that he's gonna understand that even then, because there's nothing he fills out. Well, he's just looking for the statue

on an edge. So that that's that's what Mike is going to do. But Mike, I don't once you go through this whole process. Okay. And you get whatever it is the state says, Okay, here's your license. What did the county after I thought you mentioned something about the town. You didn't say the county?

Well, the city.

So

you're told that

the township of buncombe County, I thought was

saying, Well, how many pools you have to get for? Yeah, we're going to look at the amount of children out there. I mean, we're looking at up to snuff smoke alarm, right your way into getting your walk in there and get dropped and things of that nature. Right. We'll be more concerned about it you guys including right.

children walk into public school? Oh, yeah. When the schools open back up, we'll be providing before care. And we'll be providing AdvoCare libraries that don't have the money to put the children in the facility and take them to school in the morning. They'll be walking to school. Right. Am

I right?

Yeah, I would take those before I wanted to debate because God is

saying there's

a close the poll. And they're still gonna go up.

That is that the parents if they give them permission to chosen to walk to the site? So there's a Yeah, no,

I understand. I but I like it. So I just wanted the more. I wasn't understanding the the amount of kids that will obviously be there and whether it goes up or down. And you know, like I said,

it would go

down. If anything you pull down wouldn't go up. It won't go up.

Legally, you can't have more than 22. Children.

As of right now. Yes.

Okay. Sorry. Do you have a question I show you is Yeah. I'm just

curious. With this daycare center, let's get to the facility. I want to say jump on the picket fence, or is this a

you know, combat anytime leave anytime facility?

drop off would be between seven and 830 and pick up anywhere between 30 in and that set? Yes.

I have a question

that I don't know who this goes to either. This is Mr. Watkins. Question.

Has there been any entertainment with the idea of the certain capacities of businesses I

have

a correction anywhere between four and six we close that so

has the town ever entertain the idea of putting you know not taking

away parking spots per se but just having learning time drop off times? It's like two parking spots saying between the hours of visitation four to six, no parking, you know, pick up and drop off only for facility. Is that something in town to ever entertain another mechanical thing?

Is

all of it depends and and it you know, zone better for commercial businesses but it's it just depends and and, you know,

the thing is, we

have a lot of times where restocked with what was approved in the past proposition is that there cannot be on street parking that is utilized or counted towards a business's obligation to provide park so that that's something that we put in place a few years ago, we, before I was on board, I came for an answer on your board vote to enforce that policy. So, you know, I think I think we're heading to the end, the end the direction that have the traffic study, there's a lot of information yet be provided. So I think it needs

to stop reading,

it needs to finish with some information, clinical

learning follow up with Mr. Walker's company, was just started. Unfortunately, the problem with this property is that it's located on the south side of dodge Street, that does not allow parking, the only parking on the street is on the north side. So even if even if the town wants to put a loading zone there, they can't, because it would interfere with traffic, there's no parking allowed on the south side. That's why Mr. Klein came up with the, with the pickup and drop off on the side streets because there's no parking allowed in front of this site. And that's why I brought this up in my report. And we're back to square one where I really believe that the two traffic experts need to sit down and iron this out for the board. And we didn't think it would be a big deal because the church right? Well,

and they have kids do all night,

all of them serve at your company for the board. And just to clarify, you went to the zoning office, and for a zoning permit, and the zoning officer had to give you a letter saying that you needed site data for Well, that's why you're before the board, because it's a commercial property. And there is no parking, and you need to come before this board to get approval. And that's the process and now the street is a little has more traffic than on the street does and that's why they're concerned. There will also lead. I'll leave that there. I'm not a traffic expert. I don't pretend to be one and I'd like to be referred to the two experts on that.

Okay, that being said, I believe we shouldn't do we ever hired Mr. sirenix?

No, we did not.

So, first things first. I made a motion to hire Mr. Snyder, to represent the planning board to do a study on traffic and parking study. This property was a 43 dash

45 dodge street 43. Here's

45 dodgy guy collusion, I have just decided to walk in I'm sorry. Damn second.

Mr. Stern.

All in favor? Anyone? Not Okay. Mr. Snyder, and you're here. So are you saying you'll get in touch with our plans? Mr. Snyder, planning to be in touch with Mr. ruhuna route. GM has declined to go anything. Yes. That being said and done, we should return this to the January 26. Meeting. If this this diagram has already been presented to the Board at that time, we will schedule it. So they don't have to remember this. Correct? Correct. Okay. Mr. Mrs. Miller, April in Ghana with the Mr. And Mrs. examiner saying, okay, so your application is going to be a journey to the January 26. Meeting. More than likely, it's going to be on zoom also 7pm and Mr. Schneider is going to now just for your peace of mind is to say her deferring to the point of this by any means. So just let me put you in your minds. arrestor that is very professional doing only what has to be done. With that. Yes, and Mr. Klein, but I made for the for the applicant. Mr. Klein has done most of the work. I'm just basically I'll be reviewing his work, obviously doing my own analysis, but we're not really doing that. Oh, yeah. It's not going to be Mr. Seidman is extremely reasonable. Whatever he does, and this isn't really a traffic issue. It's a parking issue. Yeah. So the whole idea of going out and doing counseling Those other things done isn't really applicable here. They're just looking, just make sure that this works. That's all they're doing. This the safety of the children.

Second, I said I thought I

had to cancel Christmas for

Christmas. Is the safety of the children aren't concerned about being shaken. I have a motion to adjourn this patient on January 26. me. So

I missed on the 42nd.

Sorry, Sam.

You better put blessings if you like to ask that question. Now. Of course, I guess. I just I think it will save time in January, obviously. We're talking about picking up kids and, and dropping more in the morning. Right. And then on hold days, I think leaving your facility at a certain time to go to school. Yes, those really pick up and drop off twice.

Yeah, they walk into school, when they walk into school, to the school, when you pick them up and walk them back to

understanding later. That's right.

Way before before we adjourn. I have a very quick question. Also. April Hill.

How old are the children here to 13 months it is six years old. So 13 years old.

There's a 13 year old in the middle school. You can't block them from Todd srijan Middle School.

Personally, I was so close with only schools that we've we've covered right now. We haven't had a 13 year old yet. That's what I liked.

13 Middle School, isn't it?

Yeah. Okay. Of course.

might be something you might look into the other side of town. Okay, so, now,

we have and we have the motion and the second.

We have the motion is

Dr. Hill. Dr. Hill. Mr. Laporte? Yes. Mr. zinka? Yes. Mr. babila. Mr. Watkins? Yes. Mr. lassic? Yes, Councilman Rockwell? Yes. Miss Richardson? Yes, Chairman foglia.

Yes. So we will see you January the 26th. meeting starts at seven. You don't we have three notices abandoned by the meeting right now. At that time, Mr. Steiger and Mr. Client should be able to present some sort of feasible plan for this whole operation. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Merry Christmas. April, if you need anything please call my office.

When the call did you want to say anything to anybody? Like point senator from the border anything?

Oh my god. Alan delivered a point send it to me for my birthday.

Okay. Oh, nice. Yes.

He's always got a little sweet spot. Yeah. Wow.

Anything else for anybody else? Any comments?

Any one you?

Yes. Mr. And Mrs. l.

Yeah. You're all done.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.

So I just want to say to the board, it's been a pleasure serving you guys. This is my last meeting. I've asked bear not to reify me because I am retiring. So I will be leaving Bloomfield the end of March. So I just want to thank all of you. It's been a pleasure to work with you had some fun, we've had some fights, which are good. So it's been wonderful. I feel, you know, we've done a lot in Bloomfield in the last five years. Certainly I've been associated with it and You know, I attribute a lot of a lot of the good stuff comes from the penny board. It's been exciting. I think there's a lot yet to be done. And there's a lot of excitement yet, which I know how I saw. Sorry, I'll miss that. But it's been a pleasure but 4041 42 years of this found out for me, so. But this it's always wonderful when you get to leave your career on a high note. I think blue gill has been my honor. So thank you all very much. I wish you all the best.

Congratulations. Yeah.

An honor working with you.

Let's not get crazy. It's not always a pleasure, but he did a good job.

Let's not get off

the board use of a board member maritime

there you have it.

Guys, we're gonna drink

right here.

Thank you very much. All right. Any comments, anything? January 26.

Somebody has to move

to a motion to adjourn.

All right. You know what people don't do the surprise anymore. And I'm all for the surprise. I'm tired of people finding out what kind of baby they're having.

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