Welcome back action takers. My name is Mark this the app errors entrepreneur and today we're joined by Jeff McKinnon. He is the co founder and CO CEO of the.com. And today's episode is all about web design. It's about building out a website that works different innovations in the field. And Jeff's story, we get a little bit technical, but Jeff's story is, I think, really important, his journey from college to entrepreneurship, cutting lawns at 15, and how that has impacted what he's doing now raising capital. And I think the importance of automation. I've been really seriously thinking about automation across all different forms and websites. And that's really what my business podcast producing is all about. It's how do I automate more. And I think that as we move into this web three world is we implement new technology, new AI, automation is so important. So I really hope that you enjoy this episode with Jeff today. Sit back, relax. We're gonna learn a little bit about web design best practices, and how to automate more. I think you're gonna love this wet this episode with Jeff super inspirational, very impressive, dude. Let's get into this episode. DJ. Ron, let's say. Yo, Jeff, welcome to show.