43.5 | Drupin: Werewolves in Love (Draco Malfoy/Remus Lupin)

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Okay, now I've gotten sued for word. Awesome. Oh, well, hello patrons, you pay bonus con content for you. So we decided we literally just finished wrapping up our tropes episode for Drarry. And of course, we had mentioned if you I mean if you hadn't listened to already, one thing that we happen to kind of tangent, often to is the idea of Draco and Remus. So now that we have that little nugget in our brains, we're like, okay, it's there. We need to talk about it. So that's what we're gonna talk about right now.

Yeah. And then I was just enamored with the idea of calling this episode werewolves in which I definitely feel like we need to do because we talked about the idea of Werewolf Draco coming off the back of book six, you know, he's looking really pasty possibly greenbacks been involved. We, you know, we don't have for the purposes of this little bonus episode that we don't even really need to go into Draco's werewolf origin story, we could just say that the two of them are werewolves. And that, really, I hadn't even realized that this was a possibility until we had talked because you were talking about Snarry. And I was like, oh, there's a there's a symmetry here. You know, there's a there's a parallel going on. And you know, Remus is all really tortured and isolated, because he's spent so long feeling like, you know, he's the only guy in the village, he's the only werewolf in town. And all of a sudden, there's an opportunity to bond with someone on a kinship level. That happens to be Drake. And only the surface of it. They're so mismatched in terms of personalities, which is why I actually think they'd be great to get there. Because Draco is so dramatic. He's like, Oh, no, no one has ever had to go through a, you know, this transformation on the full moon. And you know, even with his wolfsbane potion, he's just like, this is just the most terrible thing that's ever happened to anyone ever. Nobody will know my pain. And so you have,

okay, so on that, yeah, so it's talking about the wolfsbane. So So of course, immediately, I think about how part of reimburses job with the order is like infiltrating like the pack of werewolves, you know, or at least watching them, you know, that are kind of on Voldemort aside, him discovering Draco has to be like, a big deal, you know, or like any child like any younger, like, under age character to be like involved in the pack has to be, you know, crazy. And because he now has the, like, wolfsbane, obviously, that I'd assume still to this day that Severus would brew for him, I could see him sacrificing his own transformation and pain to like, sneak it to Draco, you know, or to like, the younger pack members so that they can not because obviously, I'd imagine some, you know, these they're probably living in the forests and tents or, you know, somewhere off the radar because obviously, you know, they would be tracked down for various reasons for just existing. And so I that being the kind of, like stepping stone towards, like Draco like respecting or being thankful or indebted to, you know, someone like Remus could be but hating that, you know, because he's still even though he's like, I, you know, this happened to me and I might be a werewolf and I'm now one of the outcasts or whatever, he's still going to have a point of view where He still is like better than and of course he's better than, you know, dirty filthy, you know for old professor Lupin and things like that and it's like, you know, so I see them growing together I can I can also see if like Draco were to kind of like cling to him in some sense of like him being the person that makes him feel like safe and understood if he's like really scared in the situation which I would assume he wouldn't be, you know, especially if he's for whatever reason any of the you know packs like be that he's just literally the like lowest on the totem pole and treated poorly or even like you know fed mirrors plaything or anything like that to have someone who treats him well, like he can shove that interest toward remiss but then we have remiss and his tortured, like he did detox like I'm, you know, I'm too old or I'm too broken or like I'm not worth loving sort of thing. So actually being able to find like in this we've kind of talked about soulmates before, like werewolf mates, like that's also something that, you know, kind of like that primitive, like feral thing that we also can pull from, like we talked about with Omegaverse, or anything to have carnal that. So after Draco's turned all of a sudden, like he might have this pull towards someone he doesn't realize, and the same thing could have happened to remiss. And then that brings them together too. So yeah, there's a lot of lot of stuff there.

But I still I have this image in my head, that even if that does happen, and even if he does feel that sort of carnal pull towards reverse, that before he has that meeting with him or whatever, he has a little you know, soliloquy, as it were, where he's doing an Esmerelda from Hunchback of Notre dam where he's like, God help my people, the poor and down trod I thought we all were the children of God. Really, like not loving this at all, but he's very, like, aware that this is this and then of course, subsequently, like he learns to to love Remus over time or whatever it might have to be, but I definitely see Draco being you know, he's like, I am not used to this class of life. Like, do these people not wear clothes? Like, who's who's the werewolf? Taylor?

Yes, exactly. Yeah, cuz especially if it's like a trance, because that's the thing to do. Like, especially with the movies and how like things are portrayed with like, and omegas transformations, or even wellbore werewolf transformations like what happens to the clothes like most of the time, they just disappear with the person and then when they can't, like Pettigrew came out was fully dressed, but then there was serious on the platform, and he comes out with this freakin fur coat like and obviously make it beneath it. And it's just the funniest thing to think about, but I feel like with a werewolf, you would imagine that, you know, the clothes would just be like ripping off like, a lot of times you see, you know, with any sort of representation of a werewolf and anything a lot of times it's like, okay, they're wearing a pair of like, like jean shorts. That's like shredded at the end the no shirt or anything like that. Like

it's like very tight fitting lycra bicycle shorts. Yeah.

Exactly. Thanks. There we go. They just need something really stretchy and forgiving. Regardless of you know,

yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so small side note then it wouldn't be like me to go off on a side tangent but what you were saying about serious in the coat does make me think that canonically he is an exhibitionist does like that amount of breeze a healthy breeze down there.

I could see Remus being like serious you know, you can still wear clothes like knees just like I mean, I could but I can also not.

And then like and so then Okay, so we know that economically Remus has an issue with like his werewolf transformations. He's very hard on himself. He you know, he is self deprecating in a way and maybe this is a vehicle for through serious actually, for Remus to gain some, you know, in like, some werewolf positivity, some body positivity. Because if he knows he's not going to hurt anybody, or if he knows he has Draco to transform with maybe it doesn't become like, Oh, I'm this done. Dangerous, degenerate a lot of days there that it doesn't just become like, I'm this dirty, deranged, you know, lunatic, I suddenly it's like, I have a, you know, a playmate, or and I get that that was what Sirius was trying to be with, you know, the, the sort of shaggy Black Dog form, but I guess and and some fit could go into this between Remus and Draco that having, you know, members of your own tribe the air to gamble with as a gamble with no as opposed to really makes a difference. And that that, that that federal connection, that primal thing can actually be a lot more wholesome in that in that if he's not going through it alone, it becomes a little bit more about community and a little bit more about actually having a safe space than it does about like, Oh, here's this weird very problem that I have once a month.

So something that I was picturing like, this was this is a moment I'm picturing like, and obviously a story of greater length. But you think about how like especially with fanfic, Dre Drako him focusing very much on appearance and like vanity and things like that, I could see him in a situation start out that obviously, he's not given anything like wolfsbane, or anything to help him work his way through, you know, the full moons and the reason why Remus looks as like, scarred up and everything that he is, is because during his youth, he didn't have full Spain, and he had to just bite and scratch himself. And like, you know, and you would imagine that werewolf bites don't heal the same way, regardless of you know, anything like that. So I could see Remus finding Draco obviously, with like, you know, tons of untreated injuries or things like that. And like even with, you know, dittany or anything like that could help to some point, but obviously, Draco realizes that. Now he's, you know, he's like either his face or he's obviously imperfect now, like he has, you know, scars and scratches and feels like, no one's going to look at him and see someone desirable anymore. But then it's Remus, who's like holding his face. And it's like, I've never seen anyone more beautiful, you know, like, it's just like,

Oh, my God, you made it fluffy,

hey, no, I'm just like, that's where like that werewolf mates of like, you know, like, you're, you're beautiful, just as you are, which I absolutely love. Because then that could have been reversed in Draco's point of view to have him realizing, I don't your scars don't define you, but he still has that vanity of, but for me like that, still, he has that own sense. Shame of those, even though he you know, he knows that it doesn't affect his feelings. But yeah,

yeah, I mean, that's a real thing. I mean, speaking of someone with a physical disability, I could tell you that, that it takes a toll just presenting as somebody that that looks fundamentally different to, to most other people and to, to deal with that. I mean, it's a it can be quite a massive psychological undertaking, I mean, not all the time, but those scars are definitely there. So, it there are some very interesting parallels here, between you know, the broader werewolf narrative and things, you know, from my own direct lived experience of, I am 34 years old, and have only once been in a situation recently, actually, where I was in a kind of relationship where I was sort of appreciated as a person with a disability as opposed to in spite of a disability. And there is a massive distinction to draw here, I you know, I get that this is a bit of a personal tangent, but it feels relevant particularly to their arc as you know, if something happens to you, and you end up being offered in some way, then having that moment of not being judged as a product of that but but being seen as the person you are, is a is a huge and potentially as you said, fluffy moment to, to enjoy, and I enjoy that as a as a as a person living with cerebral palsy, but also just as a person who enjoys looking beyond the face, I guess the people surface the sort of the the easy, the value judgment T stuff. And there's so much that you can say about the you know, things like Alterna Did communities the queer community, the trans community, the the non binary community, the ace community, there's so much we could go into it. Yeah.

Yes. And okay, so So something another thing picking out of what we talked about in the Drarry, episode, Teddy. So like if we're getting into post war where Remus lives, and talks, obviously passes, and so then just has, it's him and Teddy. And then Draco because we also talked about, you know, Draco's character of possibly post war realizing that, you know, family bonds are stronger than everything else, and figuring out what's most important, and that's where especially Narcissa having lost Bellatrix and, you know, wants to reconnect with Andromeda. And then they build a relationship with, you know, with her and with Teddy when she would, you know, either be watching him and then eventually Remus, you know, getting involved in him getting to know Draco and things like that. And then eventually it turning into something, you know, and I do love especially with the cross generational relationships, it's like, there's always like that, that fight of, you know, denial of feelings, and then fighting those feelings because it's like, especially for someone like Remus who is just constantly going to feel like he's unlovable or someone deserves better than him. So, regardless of anyone like talks, or even in this case, Draco being like, No, you're the one that I want for so many reasons and not believing that, like you're just like, Oh, your heart bleeds, you know, for him, but then, but then say he sees how, like, how Draco and Teddy are with one another and how much Teddy loves Draco and you know, and all those different things like, I love the chance of you know that happiness after sort of thing like it just because a tragedy happened doesn't mean that that's, that's what your life is defined by. So, yeah, so I love the the idea of especially Narcissa and Andromeda coming back together, especially because Andromeda lost her husband and then her daughter. And so it's just figuring out that, how few of us that are left, like we need to reconnect in and find what's important in that so and then once again, Harry is like, what the heck are you why are you letting Draco Malfoy around your kid or whatever and Remus is like actually, he's, you know, he's like, really great and whatever. And Harry just doesn't believe any of it. It's just, you know, it's super protective of Teddy from the Godfather aspect and, and I could see that, you know, causing conflict obviously not a romantic instance between them from this but just literally from their character point of view in the series of that them never going to be you know, on the same page or having to tolerate one another sort of thing, because that I believe to like plenty of times when you ship them with other people, you can still believe that Harry and Draco are literally just that like rivals and enemies and they're just never going to be on the same page. So it's always fun to play with the enemies two lovers like we did in three episodes. But yeah, Draco coming against a different obstacle that is an older man who feels unworthy of anyone's affection is you know, and then I can see Draco being super stubborn about it like no you know, like and maybe there's there are things in him that that are similar personality traits to Tonks. You know, like, not necessarily a replacement for her but there are reasons why he sees things in Draco that he can easily love because he loved that about her. You know that so that that I really like to Yeah,

yeah. Okay, so while you were talking because my brain does this, I was I now need a Greece au where we're, you know, looping in his broody state is being like, Look at me. Mooney devours he with this lunacy. And then of course, so then whenever we get to the sort of the resolution of the thing you could have, whoever it is whoever the object of affection is Draco in this instance, I think would be like you're the one that you are the one who moody

okay, I love this much.

I ended up saying things on this part that I never thought that I would say, but i i Now, you know this. I just I just need this in my life.

And of course I definitely see Draco in these tight pleather pants and a crown top just like you know just like oh gosh I'm so here for that so much. Oh, that's so good.

Just like this, this really this whole podcast vehicle is just a mechanism for our weird flights of fancy. And occasionally a full sentence will escape you know, in between all of that stuff.

Oh my gosh just added to list of all the things that I wish I had the time or energy to like write or even just like play with like that would be such a fun cracky thick. I just set would be so much fun. Oh,

oh, just, there's just so much. And especially like, the the idea of the sort of the cajoling in this instance coming from Draco is really interesting, because of course, Draco is a very confident character. He's like lupins opposite in that regard. You know, Lupin might be older, but age doesn't necessarily always equate to wisdom. And you know, I can see the playful side of Draco's nature really drawing that out in in Lupin and just being like, no, do you know what? After all this time, after all, do you know all of the literal, physical and mental or emotional scars or whatever, this you know, it's time for us just to dance on top of a car and have a bit of a laugh?

Oh, it's something that I just thought about, is because it's um, you know, obviously, me as far as we know, I think in Cannon maybe, I don't know. But it is assumed that Teddy is also a metamorphic Vegas. Yeah, so he inherited that from his mother. So I could see like, there being some sort of conflict between Rebus and Draco either Draco confesses his feelings, and then obviously then reimburses like I need to put distance between you and between me and my son. Like, you know, your your bond is getting too strong, I don't want whatever but then literally, little teddy is like, resembling Draco like changed his hair to be blonde and, you know, does all these things and like, cuz he misses him or things like that. It's like Remus isn't able to escape that and he's literally confronted day in day out of his unresolved feelings sort of thing. So because it's just like, innocent little kid is just like, you know, I love that too, with a little Teddy's characterization is like when he has an emotional connection with somebody like when he like Harry picks him up, his hair goes dark or with Draco picked him up, his hair goes blonde, like, you know, we talked about different, like his moods changing with his hair and stuff like that. But I also love when he is literally because you think about little kids and how they want to grow up and be like the adults that they know, like, literally Teddy is making himself you know, have some of the features of those people. So I think that that's that would be something that could be painful, but also like help like healing and help Remus except that he's lonely without you know, Draco there so Exactly,

exactly. And, you know, it takes a while for I think Remus and Harry have this in common. It takes a while for the penny to drop with Remus, the key here isn't really, it's different than with Harry because with Remus. It's really more about a refusal to accept happiness, however that arrives. You know, we see it with tongs, but I also think, you know, sometimes it's very easy to forget that you're that everybody deserves happiness, I was chatting with a friend of mine recently, who shall remain nameless, who is going through a bit of a tough time and you know, is viewing themselves in a very sort of body dysmorphic way. And but uh, but, you know, ultimately, you know, however you you want to develop, you will always be you and you're always worthy of love and that person that is worthy of love is inside you right now. Still being worthy of love, you know, regardless of wherever your journey might take you and I think it's it's easy for us to forget that in a way. But this is partly why I love that you made it so fluffy. Is that it literally it can be fluffy and fairy all at once with these two Yes.

Oh, but also also fluffy, fuzzy, fluffy and literally fluffy. Yeah, because I love the idea of them being like a little like werewolf pack family, you know, like that would just be so and like how? Oh, that's another thing too is like we get into like the carnival, like what if it's Draco has kind of the innate, kind of like maternal protectiveness over like, even though he didn't give birth to Teddy necessarily like, he accepts him as like his cub sort of thing. And it becomes the new protector of this, you know, this child and it and it's like, he's accepted in even as like a, you know, an adoptive parent or child or anything like that. But it's like they, it naturally fits for them together, like almost like they were meant to end up together sort of thing. So like Remus finally seeing that like, not only as like, he's not only my mate, but also like my partner in the parenting my child and everything. And so I love that I love that too.

And I'm sure that will teach Drako a thing or two about humility, and empathy as well. Like, it's one thing about being around children you realize is that they're so grounded. And because like, often what comes out of a child's mouth is so unfiltered, like I remember being at a leisure center once and I was just having a, I think I was having a jacket, potato or something. And a child who couldn't have been older than maybe five or six wandered up to me and just asked me, What's wrong with you? And I'm like, I don't mean. But I loved that question. Yeah, I would rather answer that question. Because it's natural for that curiosity to come up in humans. And I think, you know, as we get older, that becomes more self censored. And people are like, Oh, well, I didn't know what to ask you. Or, you know, I didn't know if it would be triggering for you, or whatever. But I am of the, you know, I am of the opinion that the most triggering thing you can do for somebody in that situation is not ask the question. I would much rather be

right to pretend like there's nothing Yeah,

exactly. Yeah. So so we were able to have a really good chat about it. And I was like, well, nothing really wrong with me I just a walk. And then we, and then he was like, Well, why, you know, I also love that question that like, yeah, that while you think and like, I so in terms of Draco and that sort of nurturing instinct, I could see that coming up against or brushing up against a lot of his more vain or preening instincts of being like, I'm Draco Malfoy. And I'm the best thing since sliced bread, when, you know, he realizes that there are there are going to be obstacles with Teddy in parenting them, that that is that are difficult to manage, and that require a leap of faith or be a test of empathy. And, you know, whenever if, say, even if tadi were to, to, you know, ask difficult questions, or randomly start going through transformations and not really know why that's happening. And then you know, going to Draco for that zoo, that source of information or support and Draco is like really having to soul search and you know, come up with an answer that's going to be creditable in a way that's not just you know, oh you know, go and ask Remus or whatever you know, like cuz you know, when a free missus like away doing work for the ministry or whoever and and so Draco is parenting Teddy alone on the on the weekend or whatever it is. And you know, he's he's struggling but it's, it's, it's cute, you know, it's that thing of you know, not knowing that you're capable of doing that until you're confronted with an I think this is something that that is common with a lot of like eight year Draco or postwar Draco or evolved Draco is that there is this side to him through either healer Drake or whatever it is that does develop empathy and that does develop compassion and that coming through Teddy is just very wholesome to me.

So are you familiar with the Pixar short Jack Jack attack from The Incredibles? No, I'm not Oh my gosh. Okay, so I'll have to send it to you so ultimately, it's literally a short of Jack Jack being their their baby of obviously these this these hero families as far as they knew he had no powers. You know, he just just normal baby.

Incredibles? Yeah,

yes. So yeah, so their baby is being babysat by just some average teenage girl. And then all of a sudden that happens to be the night that all of his powers like to be and it goes from like him, like literally being like this shaking baby to like catching fire to exploding things and all this stuff. And it's literally this girl dealing with this, you know, um, you know, untethered. Speight like super baby, and it's just the most chaotic thing and I'm picturing that being the night that Draco finally says to Remus, like, yeah, like, like, just picture this. So of course, losing tongs One could assume, right then him having that fear of losing Teddy. So like anyone having that protective ness of your child not wanting to separate from them, like a lot of parents have that when you have, especially a new baby or a young child, it can be really hard to take that first, especially that first night where you're like, we're actually going to leave them with a sitter, you know, like not being there with them. And so I could see that being a nightmare. Draco's like go enjoy yourself, you know, like, like, take that trip or do whatever, he's fine. I'll take care of him and then the whole time then it's like Teddy's going through his own little like mettam like either the metamorphic Vegas slash partial werewolf de NIHSS that he just like inherits and Drake was trying to like contain the situation without reaching out to Remus and alarming every year and I love the idea of him reaching out to Harry and being like Potter get your ads over here you know like him finally resorting to be like I need help you know it's like we can't let him find out whatever and then it's like after everything Remus comes home like you should have told me like you know, I just have to send that to you because it's so funny. That would be perfect.

Part of the reason I love that mental image of Draco summoning hurry and being like helped me you know, yeah, is that is that I imagine that that looping comes back at the house is a mess or whatever. And like Draco and Harry are like spent on the sofa. Like yes, and Remus just looks at Harry and goes, but you spend your life catching dark wizards and you can't look after one small child for a while.

But that would be so cute. Yeah, if they were like both guy kind of like collapsed on the couch with like Teddy sprawled, like either on Draco's test or something like that. Like they're just totally but I love the idea of the house just be absolute. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, there's just so much potential for like, in that moment, like a beat and one of them says the other one looks we survived. Yes.

They're like, Oh, we finally got him to sleep that they were you know, not going to worry about anything else. Yeah. Oh, so funny. Oh, yeah. I've loved the idea of them together and parenting Teddy. I think that's so sweet. Like, it's like even with the jet Drarry of like them adopting Teddy together is also like either something happened to Andromeda or Andromeda is unable to like continue, you know, caring for him and things like that. Like Harry adopting Teddy is always, you know, really lovely. And then if you know, with whoever partner and things like that, and a lot of times it is Draco and yeah, of course it is. But for remissed to still be alive and for that to be with Draco to is also wonderful.

Yeah, I mean, I think because I read Mises and a lot of remixes of character. I don't spend a lot of time shipping with anyone else because I shipped Wolfstar so hard, right? Surely if I examine it, because I see I characterize Remus as gay in my head. I don't really know why, but to me, he is anyway. And I think it's because of the you know, the depth of affection he has for Sirius and yada, yada, yada, but if serious is out of the picture, Remus could really stand to, you know, be fated to be mated with a lot of people because there are, you know, because he's so he, yes, he's vulnerable. And yes, he has these bouts of self deprecation, who's also incredibly prodigiously talented. He's a great teacher, who's very sort of wise beyond his years and like a really calming influence. We've seen that, you know, around Harry

Chang patients and even empathy and just he genuinely cares, you know, puts puts others before himself. Absolutely.

Right. Yes. And so in that way, he is almost a perfect match for somebody like Draco who or traditional Draco anyway, who is so extra, and who is so you know, about themselves that, you know, to be able to then be looked after and for Draco to be the object of affection in an entirely different way that it's not coming from himself anymore or like that can be incredibly rewarding for them both as well, that like Draco realizes he's actually motivated and spurred on by something other than this inflated image of self And he's actually like, and who begins to lean into it and will like we say, you know, you're never the same person twice, you know, you're not the same person now as you were five years ago, 10 years ago, it's quite possible that he develops into somebody who realizes that he is best suited to an environment where it's a sort of a free flowing exchange of empathy. You know,

I also love the idea of Draco literally going to someone like Remus despite his dad, like you know, and what his dad expects of who he would end up with be that he has like an arranged marriage to some you know, pure blood witch or something like that for him to be like, Well, I'm literally going to go to the werewolf, which is be so funny. Another thing you talking about? Well, if Sirius wasn't around or anything like that, like tonx is a black we see connection with him and Sirius who is a black Draco has black blood ramus obviously has a thing for blacks.

Yeah, there's something in the I imagine that like Remus has a little keepsake of Draco's that that like he discovers that like for all the for all the like the cast offs, that Sirius got rid off of the like pureblood mania, maybe there's something that connects Drako like a little piece of the tapestry back to the black family tree. And you know, when and Remus is secretly like, actually really likes it because it's a reminder that it's it's his connection back to that in a way. And like, and in any other context, you know, that connection might be not a very thing to look on very positively. But because it's giving him all of these mushy feelings for Draco. Actually, can you know we're beginning to see in a positive light or whatever. Wow, well, yeah, we

went longer than 20.

Yeah. It's always a risk with those. I mean, if we've learned nothing else from this from doing this together, it's that we love to talk. Oh,

yes. Oh, yes, this definitely could go significantly longer. But we want to make sure we get you bought bonus content. So that means trying to get out some smaller stuff. So that editing is

good, but yeah, I have to say I love like, I love speaking and making episodes, but then whenever we go over a certain threshold, I'm just I feel your pain. I know. I know how hard these episodes are to edit. So keeping them smaller, makes me happier because it's like, okay, yes, it's less of a less of a mountain to less. Well, let's have a sheer rock face to scale.

Yes, exactly. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously it shows that we can ship Draco with anybody I mean, pretty much the same thing for Harry like it depends on the person but a lot of times I'm like, I'm like Draco. Yeah, Draco and Harry could literally be Draco Harry and Snape. I'm like I could literally see them with and he

Okay, Draco hurry Snape and Lupin as a quad.

Oh, Snoop and saw so we actually did get someone sent an email like saying like they want to ban like this whole reason why they love Snoop and which is so great. So obviously we'll have to do snooping sometime too.

So yeah, well keep your ears peeled for that one. Because yeah, we do love a good listener requests and and I had never really considered snooping before and then I started reading some and now I need it so you will be getting that episode too. I guess that we you know, we have certain characters that we give a lot of love to. But at this point that's just par for the course.

Oh, all right. So that is it first to try and keep things

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but we hope you enjoyed your little bonus episode and we look forward to bringing you more in the future

Yeah, we do as I like I like to anybody watching this on video by the way it's been getting steadily like darker outside to the point where I'm now just to cap with like luminous I really need to work on backlighting myself better.

Because the last time you had like the sunset effect, so it was like you had like blues and oranges and now you're literally just kind of like it's like teeth and glass.

Yeah, it's really creepy. I don't like it. I'm looking at my face going this isn't something that I want to put out into the world. But anyway, patrons who Pay for video. Get this bonus. You are welcome for your nightmares. Oh, I shouldn't smile. I shouldn't smile with this. Really? Let me sign off before I literally do some serious, you know, psychological damage to our listeners? Oh yeah,

well until next time definitely you know, send us messages you know you can you can obviously reply to this on, you know Patreon and stuff too as well as you know, send us tweets or things like that. Let us know if you know of any troops and stuff.

And you know what we haven't plugged in a while. But oh, we have? Yeah, we haven't plugged our telegram and I do love a good voice. No, I love a voice No, because as we've established I love speaking. So an excuse to do that as opposed to typing is preferable for me. So if you want to speak to me specifically, probably best to do it in telegram where I can waffle back at you. I would enjoy that. So please do that thing.

Yes. All right. Until next time,

thanks guys and people in between love y'all. Bye bye.