She'd like to start. I guess I'm just coming in feeling thoughtful. leave it at that. Okay. Thank you, Mary. Um,
I am coming off of having just done a live interview, on corporate purpose with a really thoughtful group of women for an organization called women for solutions. And then I went for a walk right after, which is how come I hadn't had lunch, and found myself thinking of all the things I didn't say should have said wish I'd said. So I'm in that weird kind of post speaker moment.
And just, well, I've
got the mic, I'm gonna have to hop off at 10 to the hour for something right at the top of the hour that I need to switch gears for. So very glad to be here, though. Awesome. Thanks for the rain. Next,
I am taking a break from writing. I got really good feedback on an essay that took me two days to get out of me. But that has led to an essay that has taken just two hours to get out of me. So so that is encouraging. Awesome. Great. So I that's I'm encouraged. Right.
And I'm coming in curious about what what different form world micro will take. I just came from the gym. I'm all invigorated and, and ready to hear the plans.
and support. Awesome. Thank you. So Jeff, you wanted to check in real quick?
Yeah, I am. relaxed, and determined. That's me.
Awesome. Thank you, everyone. Um, yeah, so we, we've had this very interesting journey from being consultants, you know, seven years ago, Jeff has been a consultant a hell of a lot longer than I have. And then we really didn't particularly enjoy being consultants, it's, it's not a lot of fun. So we really worked to shift this whole thing into a into an online into a school. It didn't initially start out as a school, it started out as an online program. And then we realized that it needed to be more like a school, because of the nature of the content that was revealing itself. coming forth, which was not what we necessarily had planned. So then we had this online program, which was now becoming a school. And then we began to realize that the form in which we the form that we had constructed to hold this impulse that had come through us wasn't quite the right form either. And that was partly because of our own process of maturation. So we, in our personal, spiritual, maybe you could say, and our path of growth and maturation was evident for us looking back or where we were limited is the limits that we brought into what we were doing. So just like a snake has to shed its skin in order to continue to grow. So do we humans shed our own skins that so that we have to to stuff has to die, so that we can get rid of the essentials, the stuff that has to died so that we can move forward in the right way. So that is the kind of what is behind a saying like constant metamorphosis, which is a bit of a motto in Jeff's in my life. And I'm sure that for a snake shedding its skin is is a painful process that looks painful, it might well be painful, I don't really know. So that's, that's kind of in a nutshell, what And along the way, in the last 10 years, there's been a lot of shedding of skin. So it's not that it's an unusual situation for us. But in this particular case, there were a lot of attachments that we have had for this form. And the attachments have also been sort of holding it back. And one of the main attachments that we've had is that we've been involved in a particular market, you could say, and that's the market of social change, or specifically professional social change. And we didn't really realize it until recently, but this attachment has been very much holding us back. And we've been very much bent around this poll, in terms of the design of the form, we've been focused on that market. And I think we might have touched on this a tiny bit last week. So I might be repeating myself a little bit. But one thing that we've noticed with this pandemic, is that, at least from my point of view, what I have seen is that the social change, the professional social change market, has, in a certain sense, done a little bit of a regression. So when we were starting to bring social sculpture as a kind of a methodology into the rain, what we, what we were sort of getting back was, this was going to be too fierce of a confrontation. Because as soon as you start to look at social sculpture, you end and take it on as something that is interesting to you, you're going to have to confront some pretty big elephants in the room.
And our sense was that that particular market wasn't ready to do that. And this was also at the same time happening where we were starting to develop the strength of mind and the courage and the maturity, to see that what we were always trying to bring at the very heart, the most essential thing is really about creativity itself. Social sculpture is about creativity. It's just, it's like there's a we've always had this belief that we had to have a Trojan horse. And the Trojan horse was was a social change. But what was inside, so we bring the Trojan horse in, but then we would start to teach about creativity. But what we really have needed to do is to be more honest or more forthright, or more courageous, to actually call it what it is, which is creativity. I mean, you could even argue that creativity itself is a bit of a Trojan horse. Because as soon as you start to, at least the way that we see creativity, and creativity training, is really a path of inner development. Because in order to be creative, in our definition, in the way that we want to see people be creative, it challenges you it's kind of like the most efficient path you can take in terms of inner development, because it forces you because because you are in this dialog with the medium of your life, as well as the the creative medium with which you're working. It's kind of like the creative medium, with which you're working is an analog for your life. So you are always confronted with the reality of life, always trying to teach you something about your inner reality, your inner landscape. So Thus, it is like an, you know, like a martial arts training or something, it's a training. So the more we have allowed this truth to be more explicit in our own lives and to embrace that more and more and take more seriously our own creative practices, which we have kind of continued to cultivate but you know, what's most important is making the money, the social change market, delivering value there, that kind of thing, instead of really bringing what we wanted was our art practices more into the center, as a source of everything that we love and care about. Right. So stepping more into what is true for us, this whole process has helped us to gain the clarity that we needed to let go of the social change market, and step more fully into what we what it's really about. No matter who you are, or what you're doing, or what market you're in. Our goal in life is to do for you what we are doing also for ourselves, and it's, you know, it becomes a kind of vice versa as well, if we all are dialoguing around our discoveries, as we deepen into our own creative work. And I mean this in the jmeter definition, I don't mean necessarily just writing but I mean, in terms of life, social creativity, spiritual creativity, right? That if that's the dialogue that we're having, then that, in my opinion, that's the dialogue we need to be having. So, as Jeff and I are sitting with the implications of all of this, and we're looking at the world maker curriculum, both what we've already written, and also what we're writing, and has, you know, that we're going to roll out. And then in the coming months, seeing how we can cut out a lot of the social change stuff, and really bring to the front, focusing purely on creativity and what it has to teach us so that we can then bring it into the various aspects of life. I think that's where we're going.
So I'm going to pause there, I think, Jeff, you have some you're going to have some thoughts to share from your point of view. And then let's open it up for dialogue.
Yeah, I think I think the only thing that I'm there is it
you know, for speaking personally. I began with an interest in creativity many years ago. But I, immediately at the very beginning, asked, how is creativity in service to the world right now. Because I was confronted with it with the option of either, you know, pursuing a career in the art world or something else. And I really chose that something else and took on a path of understanding creativities role in culture right now. And that found professional expression and working with the social change community. But over the years, I found that there was not appetite for inner development or creativity in the social change community. Just didn't find enough resonance there personally to feel at home. And no amount of teaching or lecturing, or course correcting seem to change that as the social change field grew and became mainstream, Social Innovation became a thing and social labs, which we helped pioneer Rios became a thing in the marketplace, you know, by a thing. I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars invested into this field worldwide on a annual basis.
It sort of became philanthropy, capitalism and ultimately philanthropy realism, and could see that the same patterns of dominance and wealth were we're just replicating inside the social change industry. And that has just in the last few years, become so on Because to me that the big players in there are not self reflexive enough to change the game while playing the game, if that makes sense. And ultimately, that started to hurt us too, because we were trying to change the game and play the game. And we just found fewer and fewer and fewer people who understood what we were trying to do. And it just became very demoralizing and frustrating. There are some who understand what we're trying to do. But we are not only fringe we are fringe of the fringe of the fringe in the social change field. And we've had the difficulty of being there from the beginning at the fringe is I used to call it the bleeding edge. And it just seemed the more truthful, we were to ourselves, the more bleeding edge we remained. So that's helpful to people like Neela, who's more cutting edge, but it's painful for us, because we don't have enough support in the in the industry. So I think on the positive side, we feel like we've achieved a certain amount of understanding of why the world is the way that it is, and what can be done about it, really. And what what the apocalypse is, why it's necessary. You know, so we have a penetrating understanding of certain facts of human existence that we've spent 25 years contemplating and seeing at play in scale, we've had the opportunity to see these realities at play in these large scale projects. Now, how to make that useful for others, however, is it's been a real, a real thing, real question. So we've gone around and around about the value proposition and the customer and the pain points and, and what's the value that we're bringing? So ultimately, ultimately, to make a long story short, we're going where our energy is, I there's a there's a just, for me, personally, there's a noticeable difference in certain conversations that I'm having where like, 10 minutes into the conversation, I'm super tired, or an hour into the conversation, I'm still energized. And the energetic conversations are, are. They're, they're, they're more about this creativity, and more about the activation of the, the spiritual nature of the human. But in a very practical sense, you know, I get worn out by the theoretical conversations with people who have not done any any inner work or signet, sufficient in at work. So these are all the questions that we're that we're holding right now. And lastly, you know, as a, as a, as a business, we have to be we have to follow where the demand is, I think as an as an artist as a cultural impulse, maybe you can, you can, you can just speak your truth and hope that it'll find resonance, but as a business, you have to follow follow demand. So we're always we're also, as we've finished and streamline this course, we're looking at that demand curve, where is it? You know, where is there a real need? Where is there a real market? So these are the questions that are that are coming up, we, we now are shifting our focus. And in terms of world maker, we have some ideas, but we don't have the energy or the appetite to guess. It's just too much work. The amount of work to write and produce these videos is insane. And we don't have the bandwidth and the forces anymore to produce beautiful work that no one sees. So one reason we're bringing this up and talking about and opening up our process and so forth is that
we can't finish this course if we're just guessing. You know, so we're committed to it. We're committed to finishing work. We're committed to serving you and the others in this community. We're also looking for where the real needs are where Where your needs are, where the market needs are, where's the cultures needs that can really help this can, you know make something of this work, rather than just having it feel like it's going almost nowhere.
So that's that's the honest truth of some of our some of our conversations. You're muted Louisa,
I just want to give you a little context in there, that we are developing our put we're, we're exploring a new opportunity where we're able to put our creative practices into the forefront in this online realm of something called NF T's non fungible tokens. And it's this very weird, the very, very small, but very lucrative world of art selling, and where we're deep in the midst of it, and it's fascinating, and very fun. So I just want you to, I want you to know that where we're sitting with will make it and what it needs to become in its truth, just like you would always I would with an animal, I'm asking my horse and my dog, who who do you need to become in order to be fully yourself? And how can I support you to do that? And they're showing me what they need, right? And it can be a little brutal, especially when you're working with 1000 pound animal. But it's extremely amazing experience. And it's the same with World maker, we're asking, What do you need in order to become what you need to become, because we we really do want to serve a lot, you know, as many people as as we can. So that's extremely important to us. So this NFT world is very nourishing for us. And it's potentially an income source that already has been a bit of an income source. So I just want you to realize that this that this is there's a lot of good positive things happening as a long scientists, and we have to allow will make a to die, the old form is to die, and the new form has to be allowed to arise. I'll just pause there. And then let's turn it over to you guys and see what's coming up.
Well, I am amazed at how two things first is that you guys model so beautifully. The process that you have gone through all these many months. I mean, really, I know it's yours, but I don't know how long they can be I couldn't tell you how long the community's been around. It's supported me through the pandemic. So that's at least a year, right. But the the modeling of the process and the way that both of you talked through the letting something die, and the pain, the work, the struggle, the the agony, the living in that gap of uncertainty, as it is dying as the skin is being shed, not knowing what is underneath. I just can't imagine that it doesn't resonate at such a deep level with anybody who's listening right now or who watches this video later on. I mean, I could automatically think of numerous applications to to my own life, too. I just wrote an essay that literally said, What do you need to become fully yourself? So I have goosebumps.
I don't think it's just because I'm Jeff sister and Louisa sister in law that I feel that you have provided so much bang for the bucks that are invested because these conversations can't happen or aren't happening, the anywhere else the learning is not offered anywhere else the that I know of the community that you have built is, is amazing. And I think if you offer it, you know, if this continues just once a month, I think people will make time for it and show up because it always has something of intellectual value, emotional value, psychological value, professional value. I mean, you filter through all the scales, spiritual value, spiritual value, world value. Um, I think that's all
awesome. Thank you, Betsy.
I first just want to say I love that rooster. I don't I mean, we don't I don't really know the rooster but just what I'm experiencing. I'm loving.
It's kind of loud. Was that kind of loud? Sorry,
but he's fantastic. It's almost like he's adding punctuation marks. I guess you make a point. He's like, yeah, yeah. That's what I love. Love the rooster. I also as I was listening was so everything you just said Betsy. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Like, for me, nothing was in the way no resistance at all made so much sense. It leads me to a question, Geoffrey, towards the end, you said something like, you want to avoid making a bunch of videos that aren't seen by anybody with material that goes nowhere or something like that. And then going nowhere phrase, I want to, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what would it mean to go somewhere? So that I hear I hear why you don't want that. And I totally get it, but maybe just trying to understand what's the like, what's the Yin to that? Yang? So you, you crack this nut and you solve it and it goes the way you want to go? It goes somewhere.
Where did it go? No. I mean, one, one image that comes up is that um before the pandemic, think we had visions of of we're kind of working towards paying it forward, paying paying forward what our mentors gave us. Because when we were when we were young, we took the course when we were young, other people who took Dennis's course, were already in their 40s or 50s, or 70s. But But Dennis was distilling a certain amount of his personal learning his research and the people who came before him into something that was relatable and practical, practical, double. And and there was like a community that we were part of not only around dentists, but some others. And there was really fortifying for us and and so we've seen that collapse and die as people have aged and institutions have died. And with folks like yourselves, we've imagined this school. The pandemic has, as brought, I think, to our attention.
Something big happening in the world right now. And so, so, I think we still want to do our part in making available certain resources and tools and insights that have been made made available to us. That is very interesting. It's like the images the passing of the torch.
with the pandemic and this big thing happening in the world right now. I think both of us are very open to whatever Yin that is to that Yang. You know what it looks like? We know we know what it doesn't look like. But it could take a number of forms in terms of, you know, one thing that Tim and I have talked about is he's building an apprenticeship program Well, how how can weld maker, nourish fertilize, you know, stream into that or with Mila is work with her training her team? How can world maker nourish their work, it can take a lot of different forms. And we're open to all of it. And we're excited about all of it. But we have also let go of the idea that that it will propagate at a speed and a pace,
price that can sustain us and it financially.
That's helpful, thank you.
loans, like how are you going to support yourself? I'm sorry.
I'm, I'm, I'm feeling some grief, because of my own vision, of social sculpture. And so I'm shedding skin along with you. I have said, For years, I wanted to be the first taker and for all maker. And I was one of the first. And I, it means a lot to me. And it reminds me, Jeff, that you began writing on creativity when you were 19. And you have, you have stacks and rooms full of material. This has been your raison d'etre for at least half of your life, perhaps more. And so I'm in it for the long run to support wherever whenever it becomes. But I have to let myself grieve them the vision that I had, and I will, in order to let a new vision being born, be born. And it seems to me that what has to happen, as human beings become more creative, the culture becomes more creative. And so the social change is the effect. Right?
Yeah, definitely. I mean, it all. It all goes in our work, it all goes towards social sculpture. I mean, really, the fundamental flaw of social change as usual, as I see it, as it leaves out the human being, it's all about systems. And as if human beings are simply units, and it will never work, when social change is reduced to systems change, gave me off that chain. Because the the Yeah, because the human being is the creative medium of society, you have to have a view of a human being as not only a physical being, but also an inner being. Otherwise, you'd never get to the level of self determination, and sovereignty and identity and, and suffering and metamorphosis and all these phenomena of the true human being. They're actually playing out in economics, and governance and in culture, but you can't read those phenomena if you don't have a view of them. And that's what we do in social changes. We, we look at the surface and we try to change the depths can't work. So our work as much as it shifts towards creativity, its destination is still social sculpture, because as creativity is activated, and this is part of the NFT space, in a certain sense to is as creativity as our culture appreciates, and invests in creativity. We have a chance of, of creating the world that we need and and as long as our culture is ignored worrying that source of culture, man, it's going to be a rough, rough ride. So, so yeah, our work still aims at the same star, just on a different train on a different path.
I just don't want you to leave out the, I mean, I've learned so much about how doing my personal work, helps me to see what's going on, at different scales,
Yeah, that'll still be there. Okay, that'll still be there. But it will just, we're going to cut out stuff on the multistakeholder the limits to multistakeholder. Technology, you know, we're not going to try to be an encyclopedia, we're gonna try to be a graphic novel. You know, and I, and I want to shout out to those of you, including, for example, Tim, who's been saying that for, you know, in their own ways, all the way along, we see the need for the encyclopedic approach, but we can't create it alone the first time. Well, you know, struggling to make ends meet. So a graphic novel approach is going to hopefully, be a streamlined version, but those same layers, that you mentioned, Betsy, and that you're referring to mom, and you're talking about worrying about, you know, these implications for social life, the implications for the future, that the layers of when you do your inner work, you're actually changing the world. You know, they're all gonna still be there. But we just won't afford ourselves the, the, the opportunity of the imperative to explore every single tunnel in that labyrinth. You know, that's the encyclopedic approach, whereas you can like, you know, see one thing and look at a footnote and go from the footnote to that source and read those footnotes and go over to these other sources and read those footnotes and keep going back and just, it's too big, it's too much we see it, we can't, we can't pack it all into webmaker is not helpful to us. It's, it's not helpful to you, or anyone, it's impossible for us, but we still believe that it needs to be done.
But I also think that there's a you know, one thing that three folding has taught us is that in a way, I think about culture as being the foundation upon which the sphere of economy and the sphere of rights stand. And without a healthy culture, you really, it's impossible to have a healthy economic life or a healthy life of rights. So culture right now is what we're faced with in terms of the true deficit in social life. And it's a bit like that Betsy, Betsy said, So clearly, we are currently screwed. But I think what I meant to imply but you could be right. But I think what I'm what I'm saying is that what's truly needed is that we nourish what currently is a blind spot in society, which has culture, we don't invest in it economically, we don't bring it up and give it a voice a fundamental right to have a voice. Right? We don't do these things, we instead turn it into a way it has to make money. And I grew up with this, of course, because my parents are professional musicians. And they were constantly talking about their prostitution. They had to, you know, prostitute themselves in order to put food on the table, and not do what they truly loved. Because they weren't free to do that, because they weren't funded. They weren't appreciated by the economic realm, and you talk to any musician and they struggle with the same thing unless they've been commercialized, right? So I think the way that we look at World maker is instead of directly talking about, okay, we need to you know, social change, we need culture. Instead, we just bring it we're just gonna bring it bring creativity, walk people along and put them put us all through a training into becoming creatively confident, a deepening into our lives. purpose that way. And that is how we nourish culture, not by talking about it, but by doing it. So we are absolutely on the same path. We're just coming up with a different strategy, and maybe a better one for our time.
Any other thoughts? Mary, we haven't heard your voice yet. Did you have anything you wanted to? Also hasn't spoken? Oh, yeah, Tim had an either.
I trying to think I'm picturing a birthing process, and that you also could be in transition? And there's no going back you
good metaphor, man. You just need midwives. Um, so there's that. Um, there's also I mean, we're all experiencing things like that. And I just want to add what I'm experiencing in other areas where people aren't stepping up in terms of interest in each other, and engaging fully and sort of engaging in the long term, rather than looking at short term effects. So I may be shared and other sessions were like a prototype I was involved in 2018. I'm just starting to see the effects. Now, even though I'm not involved with that, but I can see the ripple through San Francisco of what's happening. And our culture, so use to the short term of what is this going to give me in the short term. And also, in terms of our part of the community, we're not. We're not involved in engaging. And I see that in other communities of practice. And so in some ways, you shouldn't think about so much on you. There's a lot on us. If we want these sort of breakthroughs in our own lives, which is why we're here because we thought this was the place. So I don't know my advice is to do forget about the market and finish this in the most authentic way that you know, is most truthful to you. And I'm also wanting to think about how we can step up or engage more fully.
I don't disagree with anything that's been said. Call the hearts and thumbs up and the vulnerability and the reality of, of giving birth to a new world in the middle of an apocalypse are real, really significant challenges. I think that that, you know, in my most critical conception, you know, the world does not need more art schools, we don't need more people figuring out how to make their art. You know, we need people figuring out the art of living, and how the the inner development and the wise application of creativity, in economic life and in social life, and then the rights life which is a tough phrase, in the, in the in the in the In the life of our agreements, let's call it the way we relate to each other and hold each other accountable. That capacity to co create our word out of a real wise application of our creativity, not just our will. Yeah, yeah. Yes. creativity that, that. That requires giving birth, you know. And so I think that's he nailed it on the head by saying, Yeah, this is, you know, we have like, just like you've illustrated for us so well and encouraged us to practice, strive towards the center, let go and listen, but manifests through that conscientious holding of the unknown, and listening for the collaboration of what's to come. And I think it's important to, to, to stay humble, and, you know, one of my great teachers in the natural building world, you know, having looked at all I've done, and the kind of practices and experiments and creativity I've expressed, reminded me that if I didn't publish it, it didn't really happen. No matter how magical I've made concrete out of Earth, that could save the planet. If I didn't publish about it didn't really happen. It only happened for me. It happened for those around me. And if I didn't do the publishing of it in a way that it could be vetted by my peers and by others. It's it's not really in the world yet.
Yeah, sorry. Carry on finish. That's a very good point. I just wanted to build on that. But keep going.
Yeah, go ahead. Sure, finish your thought. And I think that, you know, there's a there's an important sense of scale. And I think you are absolutely right to recognize that our current mode of the world is we have to make things in movies, that is the art of our time. And the script is read by 100 people and the screenplay or the storyboard, the graphic novel that Jeff talked about is read by 1000 people. The book that the movie is based on is read by 100,000 people and you know, we get 100 million people watching the movie. And it's not that the movie is the real art. It's just a movie is the language of our time. And it's storyboarded always because it's so incredibly expensive to make a movie, it is genuinely like lighting money on fire. Every day that you make a movie. It is one of the most wasteful, culturally destructive forces that we make, that we create, like the shrapnel of moviemaking is huge.
we as a species, has crab created a way to share collective dreams. We've created an art form that can be global, and experienced. In the same way we could share dreams. Our dream life can its movie, it's reaching towards making dream life man it manifest a shared dream life. And so that's, and they've, you know, found a way to make it monetarily viable, and the forces of economic destruction. Also get involved in the quality of those dreams.
Yeah, yeah. Just look at the director's cut versus the produce.
Where are we talking about? Why are we talking about movies? I like says but
of shifting from producing videos as World maker to shifting to a graphic novel, graphic novel.
Oh, yeah. I don't mean literally, necessarily.
But I think literally, that's important. And I think that you can't go to see you Laureen Thank you so much.
Yeah, we do have to, we do have to streamline our production, for sure. Yeah. But I
wanted to build on something you said, Tim. And that is to your mentors point that the true completion of a creative process is the sharing of the creator of it. Yeah. And this is something that cannot be denied. There's no getting around it. You have to share your art, whatever that might. Whatever the form, whatever the medium of your art.
That's all I was saying is that we've also evolved towards this Tick Tock reality and drywall videos and things like that where there is a sense of collaboration and in that medium and like, the whole sea shanty thing that came, yeah, it's the beginning of the year is now if you look behind that movement, it's about shared work songs. Yeah. How we collaborate. And that medium of Tiktok is about building collaboration. And the reason it built itself so organically is the capacity to co create and collaborate effectively and beautifully. And then magic of that process, I think, is about the releasing of like you're saying, the graphic novel version of things. And so I do think that's, that's the most important marketing step you can do. And that's the gap, I believe, that exists so far, is you don't yet have a schooling. So you can't market it. Yeah, script. And maybe once you have a graphic novel, we can market it.
Cool. That's super helpful, actually.
We have final minutes, and then been super helpful when he has to leave. But I wonder if there's any last thoughts.
But I'd like to hear you say, Tim, one more time you said 100. People see what and then 1000 people and then
other people see the script 1000 people see the storyboard. Read the book, 100,000 read the book, and 100 million. Yeah. The factor of 1000 between the book and the movie,
which ties into the to the point of it, you can't sell people what they need, you sell them what they want. And so the thus, our hunt for the right form, is really about finding the right tone, the right form, the right. Quality. That is, that is what our time can digest. That's good meal for our
time. But I want to go back to what Mary said, when she said you have to find sort of the most elegant, simplest, most authentic expression of your truth. Yes, in the simplest form, I mean, that's this whole thing about producing for the market and, and selling and all that has just has just been ball and chain. You know, we just need to get the graphic novel version of this done. And then and then let's pick it up as a community from there and see what can be done with it.
to beat an old horse, but the cake pop is really essential. You have to find what is the easiest way to show application of this concept. so that people can can for free in five minutes, watch a video and apply it to their work life.
Yeah, I don't know how to do that. I'll leave that to you.
Yeah. Okay. Happy to collaborate on that. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's I think that's, that's what sounds like is practice in life, you know,
but we're actually we're actually creating cakepops Jeff. But Jeff has been creating these two minute videos for the NF t community about the creative process is going through for these little these pieces of art here behind me these beautiful things. They're little cakepops. That's what they are walking people through how you created the blue one. In 30 seconds.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that we can do. Yeah. Yeah. But right now my focus on world maker is going to be okay. What is the graphic novel look like? How quickly and efficiently can we can we get to a version, you know, a first version of this whole thing without getting bogged down and guessing market dynamics and all that. We just need to get this done in a streamlined, doable fashion. And I have a lot of energy for that. But it's going to it's going to it's going to be have to be unhooked from certain things certain like giant steel Titanic's that I just need to not deal with. Yeah. Yeah,
look, we're one minute away from the top of the hour. Can we just do a quick checkout so that I can feel into how you guys are doing just a couple of feeling words, what you're leaving with, and we can pick it back up next week. Because this we're going to keep continuing with the weekly calls for you Just so you guys know and anybody who's listening to this video, until until it's time to shift it But I think we'll keep doing this while we're transitioning because we want you guys to witness this and hopefully learn from our process, but also not to drop this ball until we've completed the curriculum. This is kind of the gist of our thinking right now. Just a quick round checkouts and then some people have to leave right at the top of the
So energized encouraged. Okay.
Yeah, nebulously creative.
I feel a sense of relief. I feel a sense of relief. and excitement. Yeah. Yeah, me too.
So much from today. Thank you. Thanks.
So welcome. Thanks for showing up. Thanks for joining. Thanks for being part of it. Thanks for coaching us and being part of this process and holding holding this process with us. I think you're holding it really does protect it and give it life and nourishment. So thanks to all of you.
Yeah, we don't really want to do this alone. So that's really good.
Besides where the point? Yeah.
And the midwives Thank you. Ryan. Yeah.
I might. hilariously I was 10 minutes late, because I was listening to an old call that I had missed. Cool. In 17th was a real high point for you guys. I'm gonna listen to it again and again. Oh, great. June 17. Yeah. Okay.
Listen to that one again. Love you all. All right. Love.
Lots of love. Bye. Bye. Hey, let me say hi. I love you. I love