And yet, I'm not sure if for example, when meditating on bliss, I can feel a profound bliss and peace, good for you. But never the bliss of orgasm. Yeah. Don't worry about that. When they talk about the big cosmic bliss, the great bliss, they're not talking about some endless orgasm, right? I mean, that's just like the closest thing that the human condition can get to Bliss. That's small bliss. Great bliss is basically finding the bliss emptiness in any circumstance. Basically, it doesn't matter that's, that's great. Plus, which, okay, so But nevertheless, of orgasm were some teachers, which some teachings indicate, is the feeling of the state of true bliss. No, I wouldn't agree with that. No, that's provisional bliss. True bliss is the great equanimity true bliss is the great bliss. That's basically finding, when we talked about bliss in this regard, this is a very has a very technical definition in the Buddhist tradition that leaves true bliss here is the bliss of de reification. True bliss is realizing the empty nature of whatever arises. That's real. Bliss. So when he talks about like the land of Bliss, the Pure land of great bliss day watch in that's what it refers to. It's this is talking about a dimension of reality that is suffused with the recognition of emptiness. So don't get to you know, if you have a profound classic was called neon, and I'll describe that in a second. Bliss, clarity and non thought, that's fine. But don't get hung up on that and don't try to reinstate it. That's like the worst thing you can do. So I'll come back to that because this has to do with the difference between meditation experiences and realization. So last thing here and when meditating on clear light, it is never blinding but clear and gray tone. Well, again, clear light. This is a clear light. When you talk about again, clear light is another one of these really deep topics, concepts you can have a clear light experience that is devoid of display and by that what I mean is it's a formless experience of the clear light. This is what people usually think is the clear light the Dharmakaya the clear light mind, no that's just the clear light mind Manifesting with the least amount of display. This is the clear light mind. This, this is really this you're looking you're looking at your computer. That's the that's frozen, clear light. You're looking at your wall, you're looking at your thoughts you're looking at anything that arises. That's the clear light, it's just frozen. So when you're talking about meditating and a clear light, to me, it sounds like you're meditating on formless meditations. That's great. I'm not criticizing it. But that's just clear light in when the volume has been turned down. It's never blinding. Yeah, it's not Baloney, because it's not white. In the provisional sense, we're clear and gray tone. It can be any tone. It can be clear, I mean, clear light basically means clear refers to emptiness. Light refers to Luminosity. That's all there. It is. Clear light means the union of luminosity and emptiness and that means everything. So when you're talking about these particular meditations, my suspicion is you're talking about meditations that are guiding you to a clear light experience that is devoid of the excessive onesie excessive. The high volume display of a clear light. And so therefore, the most important thing here is there's nothing but the clear like this is a clearly don't look for some big flashlight. Don't look for some big luminous thing even though that may happen. That's an yom, that's a meditation experience. So the first part of your question is really worth talking about a little bit. Experiences and realizations are not the same thing. This is a big deal topic. I've written extensively on this. Meditation experiences. They're called Yom and Tibetan. By definition, they're always temporary always by definition, an experience by definition always has a beginning and an end. By definition, Yama, like morning mist realization is totally different. Well, not totally different, but different. Top Tibetan, it's stable like a mountain. And so basically, there's a pretty big difference between experience and realization. So if you want to know if you're having a realization, that means it's stable. If you want to if you having an experience, that means it comes on and it disappears. So there's no doubt you're having experiences. I don't doubt that at all. But if they're coming and they're going by definition, that's not a realization. That's an experience and that may seem like all this is just legalese or pedantic speak. No, it's not. Because what happens otherwise is you can have a meditation experience, confused for a realization, then you're really screwed. Because then you think you're having a true realization experience. You're like some mini Buddha and you just have a high level and young. And this happens all the time. So this is where people really get stuck. When people think their experiences or realizations that's a really big problem. So yeah, I'm not sure what else to say Mary, if you want to come back on experience again, this is so important experience, by definition, in the Buddhist tradition, always has a beginning and an end. It's temporary. That doesn't mean it isn't valid. That doesn't mean it is great. But this is what actually constitutes the journey through the fourth path, the path of familiarity, which is four stages on one path. is basically transforming how did he use his put Smith put it transforming flashes of illumination, those experiences into a binding light as realization. That's what constitutes the 10 Boom, ease of The 10 Grounds of progress, your met your experiences, become more and more stable, the transit draw mature into realization. But guess what, how do you do that? By letting go of the experiences? You don't, you don't stabilize the experience by grasping onto it. That's the last thing to do. You want to reinstate the conditions that brought about the experience in the first place, which is a quality of openness and release. So this is where the things get problematic. Because you have some genuine opening. All experiences are based on opening realizations or stabilized opening. You have it and you think because ego immediately appropriates it, you think you're a Buddha. Well, you are a put on one level, but how does this thing go? spiritual experience does not make a spiritual person. So what happens with these spiritual experiences, they're so delicious, they're like, they're like candy. It's okay to nibble on them. But if you feast on these things, they're gonna make your meditation really sick. And you're gonna get big ass cavities. Sorry, I'm a retired dentist. You're gonna get big cavities in your spiritual path. So have the experience and then like my teacher, Khenpo Rinpoche said, but did he say you nurture your experience by destroying it? Let me say that again. You nurture your experience by destroying it. What that means is you destroy your grasping, clinging relationship to it. The experience itself was fine, but trying to grasp after it and trying to have it again. That doesn't mean we can't aspire that doesn't mean we can, you know, have this aspiration. But you start grasping after these things. You just replace the chain made of lead with one made of gold. He's a golden they call it golden cage in Islam. You get really stuck here. I see two Rinpoche said these are the most serious of all traps, getting stuck in a meditation experience. And I can name I won't do it. Because I tried to be polite I could name this point 20 So called Western masters who claim to be realized and they're simply just stuck in on Yom guaranteed so the classic nons there's dozens of them be ALAN WALLACE writes about this beautifully in his book. I think it's called coming to mind I think due to do you remember Chase teachings and what? I can't remember the subtitle, but Alan writes about it a lot. I refined it quite a bit because it's such a big deal. The classic experiences are bliss, clarity, non thought. Each one is associated parenthetically at one of the Tocai has one of the highest, but then you have countless other experiences. I mean, there's just there's an infinite variety. They're all fine if you relate to them properly. If you don't they can become a real problem.