I'm so honoured to have you here and welcome you to today's conversation. So sit back take a breath and get ready to see the world through a new and expansive lens with me Mr. Evelyn Campbell it notes oh we're live Yeah,
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Listen to me in the chat Luca chatting a bit of shit to start with. So
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I want to do something a bit different today though. I was saying to you before I want to open with this quote that I read from, I'm gonna listen intently. Yeah. For anyone who's one who's listening and kind of wants to know where this is from. It's from power versus force, which is a book by David Hawkins. So I'm not credited in this quote to me. I feel like it's gonna be quite an activating one for today. It's quite long. So just sit with me. For force is a movement, it goes from here to there, or it tries to against opposition. Power on the other hand standstill. It's like a standing field that does not move. Gravity itself for instance, does not move against anything. Its power moves all objects within its field, but the gravity field itself does not move. Force always moves against something, whereas power does not move against anything. Force is intrinsically incomplete and therefore has to constantly be fed energy. Power is total complete, in and of itself and requires nothing from outside of itself. It makes no demands it has no needs. Because force has an insatiable appetite, it constantly consumes power in contrast, energises gives forth, suppliers and supports power gives life and energy force takes these away. We notice that power is about we noticed that power is associated with compassion, and makes us feel positively about ourselves. Force is associated with judgement and tends to make us feel badly about ourself. Force always creates counter force its effect is to polarise rather than unify polarisation always implies conflict. Its cost therefore is always high. Forces, concrete, literal and arguable. It requires proof and support. The sources of power, however, are beyond arguments and are not subject to proof. Ultimately, the only thing we can say about a source of power is that it just is true power then emanates from consciousness itself, what we see is a visible manifestation of the invisible.
Damn good is that I know,
I was like, I know how to write down the whole thing I was like this is gonna go in today. Oh, isn't that just sort of what came through?
Well, it just makes so much sense in the sense of like, what we talked about, I think we talked about this last week of surrender. Well, even just deeper on, like, the journey that you and I are like, sort of moving through at the moment is going deeper into surrender. And for in general, like, I mean, that was from the fucking psychiatrist, Dr. David Hawkins, right, who wrote this book. He
says, Well, he did didn't,
he says, such good work on that. And, like, it just makes so much sense of like when you're the forces, like when you're trying to control things that are outside of your control, and you're trying to, you're trying to manipulate an outcome in favour of what your ego wants, that's force. And then surrender is letting the spirit letting life move and letting it unfolded for you. It's like letting it do the hard work. It's like bringing in a team of builders to build your house instead of you working hard because you don't know how to build a house. That's so powerful. What about you? How's that for you? When you when you read that?
What hit me when I read that it kind of it symbolised a lot of the things that come through to me this week how I had really moved out of a pattern of moving from a place of needing to be in control. That's something that I think has been throughout my life, because of the traumas that I experienced, being out of control was was so scary to me being out of control meant death, right. So this whole feeling of surrender was so foreign to my body, I would talk about it, I would talk about surrendering, I would talk and the universe work through me, etc, etc. Because there was a point in me that I needed to prove that I was spiritual, and I could be seen, right. And then I, and then I experienced this year, just a release of how much that part of me just needed to be seen and just needed to be loved by me not by things that I was trying to control outside of me. And when I read that, quote, I was like, four force is not a place that I move from anymore. It's not not a place that I move from, to affect other people, but also forcing things within myself forcing myself to do things because I think that's a big thing as well. What do you think, Luke with that, like, actual how do we not only surrender to the universe, and the things that are coming up outside of us, but also surrendering to the things that come up within us and the things that we were called to in our lives?
Yeah, forces very much lakay. But it's coming from a very big state of lack. And like, I'm trying to feel something in me like it like it what it says it's like, trying to consume, and that quote is, like overconsumption. But power is just like, it's, it's such a beautiful way to put it, because it's like, gravity doesn't go outside of its field. It pulls everything into its field. And it's like, that's each and every one of us because we each and every one of us has a field. And that field is our quantum field that fields our energetic field, or human aura. And when we, when we work towards being in our power, I mean, pulling all our power back from from other sources and circumstances, then all of a sudden, you become this fucking amazing magnet for the things that you want in your life. So the things that you actually desire, while still knowing that you're in your power, so you're not desperately seeking it, you're just waiting for it to come to you. Instead of going out there and seeking it. And stressing about it. And worrying about like, I think the biggest one of the biggest things that I've shifted with this was around my own desperation. In my life, like it was like rushing, rushing,
I resonate with that so much. I resonate with so much. Yeah.
Yeah, so it's like the rushing is a huge one. And that was like something that really came up the other day with this movie that I watched, I watched this Australian movie on Netflix called Long story short. And it was it's like a B plus movie or a minus, like, it's actually done really good. But the act, the acting was alright, it was just like, a bit cheesy. A bit cheesy. And so, but I was like, it was a huge I don't know if anyone's ever watched done that as like, watched a movie. And you've had like a visceral sort of reaction to I mean, like, horror movies, yes. But like an actual emotional one or something. Because it's like, it's sort of touching parts of your unconscious, it's touching parts of your psyche. That's like, very personal. Anyway, this one really hit me because it's, it's about procrastination. And the whole thing is like the impact of procrastination on your life because life is so time flies so quickly, life is so precious. And yet we take it for granted. And we're rushing all the time. Or we're procrastinating with the lightning things because we're too scared. And this can very much come from like, force in a way we're forcing things to not happen. And we're trying to force things to happen. Right? One's rush ones delay. But if we let go and allow ourselves to like, just be in the moment with life and let life happen. And it's like, you can't control these things at life. Like you can't control the weather, no matter what you can't control, like, there's days where you're not going to be able to control the rain. There's days where you're not going to be able to control the storms. There's days where you're not going to be able to control the tide. So you want to high tide or the perfect conditions for fishing or whatever it is. You can't control these things. There's just things you can't control. So it's like applying that then that principles like okay, well, this circumstance is just happening. I'm going to apply the SIR the principle of the weatherman. I can't change the weather. I can just read it as it's happening. We can have foresight to say okay, this might happen and what if this happens, then we're gonna have to wear a raincoat. But we can't really do anything until it comes into the moment as like we're just letting life be the same prints of living life with the same principle. It's like I'll put on the raincoat when it when it actually starts to rain. I won't worry about it, I won't try and change it. I'll just let it come to me and deal with it. Powerful. Yeah.
Yeah. What was it in you that you think you were trying to not allow yourself to receive unconsciously or not allow yourself to bring into your life?
Oh, there's a few. There's quite a few things. I think the big thing where I talked before was like this desperation. So I would say that, you know, I was like, unquote, unconsciously to doing this where I feel like I didn't have enough followers, or I didn't have enough clients, or I didn't have enough money. And that that desperation sort of comes from like, and was it from very different place, right? I mean, why did I need the clients? Why did I need the money? Why did I need the followers, because that all validated me. And so I was desperately seeking this. And it wasn't like, I would just be you'd notice your pattern, right? you'd notice a pattern where you would either be like, comparing yourself to other people, social media, and you're feeling down about yourself, you're like, oh, shit, I don't have enough followers. And then it's like, when someone sort of goes, Oh, hey, what's your, what's your Instagram, and then you sort of like, you know, you want these, like, 50,000 followers, so you can get recognised, and these little things, and you're sort of like, Oh, I've only got like, 1800. And you feel inadequate. These, these, this can be applied in any anything, right? Like, it's same thing. It's like you're introducing to people and you're like, oh, I don't have the dream job that I want. So I'm like, I don't really want to tell them what I do. Because that's not what I who I am. I feel like it's not what my potential is. But you got to realise that that who you're becoming in that moment is the potential unfolding. It's just not how you perceive it right now. It's the potential unfolding. And so there's always a lesson with circumstances in your life, but you can't do it. I believe I don't want to put anyone else's, this a limiting belief in anywhere else. But I believe that it's better to come from wholeness and achieve it, then come from emptiness, and strive to achieve it. Because I think the world that we're shifting out of is very much was very much built on building an empire on a very, very empty foundation. So you've got billionaires, who are built up on the outside, but broken on the inside. And so I think it's so important to do the work on yourself, so you can find that wholeness within you. And then everything else becomes a bonus, not a necessity. Hmm,
that was so powerful. I was really like I felt. And what did you say? Interesting, it's interesting, like, within myself, I see the loop of both things. So I recently sort of came to see that I held this belief that I had this desperation, energy of wanting to create wealth, wanting to create sex success in my life, wanting to have love in my life, all of these things, and I had this desperation and chasing energy in me to allow those things to happen. And I also had this energy of if this happens, if I become successful, and I become wealthy, then I won't receive love from people then I won't something bad will happen. And through I mean, I I resonate mostly with doing things like hypnosis because it allows me to go to deeper to the sort of subconscious level and with my mentor, we kind of went into this and was like, it's these are stuck in between the two these two polarising beliefs. And it was because when I was younger, when my parents divorced when they split up and it was a very long drawn out process, my dad had to give a lot of money to my mom in that divorce. So I associated with having a lot of money receiving a lot of money with I was going to have to give it away if then I love someone. And it was this thing and when I saw it, it was like such an awareness right? Awareness. And I could see it and I was like, just cried it out. Let it out. You know, saw it love that for me. They experienced that. And I was like, I could see then all the all the parts in my life that we're playing on. This, this loop playing on this pattern, right? And then there was on top of that I started when I was in house, I started to judge those parts of me. And then it was coming back to how can we bring love? How can we bring acceptance without judgement to those parts of me. So it was like this multi layered thing. So I resonate so much with what you're saying there about this desperation. But I also had this this other thing. So I was so stuck in between these two, two completely opposing the leaves to polarise and beliefs that I just couldn't move anywhere. And every time I tried to move somewhere, I would like get this belief like, yes, I've got I'm going to get client, I've got money coming in, or whatever it may be. And then the belief of the other one of the fear would come in and stop me from going any further again, and I would go back on myself, it was kind of like, on a yo, yo, so backwards and forwards. Yeah, well, time. And when I saw that, it was just, it was just so empowering to finally be like, I see myself. So I guess for people listening, that are tapping into this and resonate in somewhere in their body to this, it's like, the power there is that all of these things, all of the resistance outside of you, the triggers outside of you, or whatever you're experiencing in your reality, like Luka said, that desperation or that that neediness, they're all parts of you that just want to be seen. And through doing the work through doing the internal work, that's what builds the foundations, seeing those parts of yourself accepting those parts of yourself, bringing them along for the ride, not running away from them, not running away from them, or trying to become someone else. Like, how do I just integrate everything of who I actually am through this internal work? And then outside it reflects back to you?
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I think everything like you talked about beliefs. How much of this is just a game of beliefs. Like, every I feel like everything just stems from that. Like our fears, our anxieties, our worries, our anger, disappointment, or guilt, or shame, it all comes from a belief, a belief that we've built up, which creates a perception of how we see the world, but the belief was just picked up over time. And all beliefs can change. And I feel like the healing that we talk about this personal development that we do, is very much about rewriting the beliefs in your psyche, the beliefs that are in your field, the beliefs that you project out into the world. And I see personally because for me, I have a personal philosophy that I work by where it's like, everyone is me. So this helps me surrender. And also helps me look at my field and go, Okay, now, this is the sacred mirror, I call it a sacred mirror, where it's always reflecting back to me, everything I need to know, for me to become much herself. And when I look at when I look at the field, and how I use it is like everything that triggers me. But also all the signs and synchronicities. Right. So the triggers will come in, they'll just like, teach me something about myself, show me something a part of my unconscious, where I can see myself in someone else. And that gives me ultimate compassion for others deep down, right? And, you know, I'm also like, I don't, I'm not big on like, I follow movements and stuff, and I follow up. And but I, I feel like, I don't really go out there and just, like, really invest in it, and like, post about and all this, and some people might be like, Well, you're not doing enough and like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like the way I see the world is, that's a reflection about our psyche. That's a reflection of our unconscious. So it's sort of like I just do the inner work of what the collective is doing. Or if it's triggering me, I'll do the inner work of like, what the collective springing up in me. And then ultimately, and that's like, whole upon upon Oh, to ultimately I'm using the world to find me. And when I've found me, and I'm in that highest expression, the world around me changes. Have you noticed that when something in you shifts, have you noticed your field shift?
So many times, so many times I think that's where the magic is. That's where the magic is. That's where the path is, is starting with you, starting with the the examination of the parts of you seeing the parts of you and seeing what they're trying to tell you without looking at them on the surface level. Beyond that, and I think that's what's amazing. I would never change this journey for the world. Pain,
pretty hard time,
totally like both of us, right? Both of us. I mean, we've shared a lot on our shows and stuff. But I would not change any of these experiences for the world. Because to see the patterns of the universe, I was saying to Luke, actually, before we came on, it was just emotional to see the patterns of the universe to see the synchronicities to see how things unfold, even for the things that are challenging, even for the things that cause me pain to see how the universe has brought this situation into my life. To, to allow me to have another level of awareness about who I truly am and who I'm not, and connect deeper with myself connect deep with my true self, and how I want to show up in the world, how I express in the world that is worth so much more than anything, then any validation that anyone could give me than any amount of money in the world that I could receive, to see the patterns of the universe and to see how they work and to learn more every day. It's just a beautiful journey. So I think it's just something that we can all dive into deeper, moving away from the feeling that we need to be something we need to have something or be somewhere, just be here now and watch the universe work around you. And that takes a lot of surrender. Yeah. And it takes a lot of practice of what that means. And when we talk about this right loop, I'm sure you can. You can agree with me, there's times where I definitely am not practising that. Like I'm not embodying that it's still a journey. It's still a journey of embodiment. I still notice myself going into those patterns of wanting this to be like this. And that controlling sense. Oh, yeah. But it's different now as you catch yourself, which I think is Yeah.
Yeah, I think that I think you're right, you catch yourself more. It comes with awareness. I like I think the very first part of this journey is awareness. Well, the first part is willingness, a willingness to enter and embark on this journey. But I also feel like the journey calls don't even
know if there was a willingness. Yeah, that's true.
You right, yeah. And then it happens. I was chatting with a caught up with a friend. Yesterday. We met through increse synchronicity. Danielle and I in April, when we went to Tofino we went to Tofino on the island. And that's when we got engaged, and we were like just it was so beautiful. It was like a full week of sun in like April which was rare at that time because sometimes it doesn't have a full week of sun it was hot. And so we're like it's a real coastal town. So like we're riding our bikes up like and stopping off at cafes, and then going to the beach and like walking along this huge big beaches and it's so beautiful. Anyway, we just stopped past for our morning coffee after our morning ride and we went to the beach and it was just so good. Anyway, we there was these two people there and they're all like this girl in the sky and she was her name's joy. A good friend of mine now it's my mom's name. Oh, there you go. So yeah, but she's like she's Tidewater. So she's covered in tats, and I'm just like, Who's this chick? Like that? I'm big on tattoos, right? And so anyway, so we just started sitting down and I was feeding a crow funny enough fuck, that's crazy. There you go.
I was feeding your story the other day.
Yet, but it's so funny. I'll tell you also to tell you the synchronicity with that
you've had some crazy ones.
I was feeding a crore and then they we just started chatting with them anyway, they ended up splitting up but we we have stayed in touch with joy this whole time and so joy and I cor she messaged me I was sitting here on my I was sitting here my laptop Yes. And I was looking at some stuff and I just get this my this voice mentioned intuition says message joy. And online. Okay, I'll do it a bit later. Anyway, I sort of forgot about it. And I'm tinkering around doing some stuff. Join messages me about 20 minutes later. Hey, Luca, are you guys down in Vancouver? I'm coming down for the day. I'd love to catch up with you guys. And I was like, You kidding me? I told her I was like, You're kidding me. I just literally was like heard to message you. And then she did message me and she's like, Oh, university. Anyway, we caught up yesterday. I was talking to her about getting, we're just chatting. And my topic was well, they were sort of, she's met another guy now. And now he was sort of talking about like this spiritual journey and he overdosed, like, not that long ago and had a huge like sort of divine And he was not spiritual before this eight months ago, he was not spiritual. Anyway, he just had this shoe near death experience. So his lips are like going blue and someone his dad had actually got his dad actually got it had an it's had some insights, a gut gut feeling to like message a friend because they weren't living in the same town say, Hey, have you seen such and such? Can you go and check on my son? Anyway, so he did, she did this, this friend did and found him just before he did any longer, he would have died. Anyway, he's gone through intense rehab, but we'll catch up with them yesterday. And he was talking about like, his, his sort of awakening. And he's like asking me like, Does it get any easier? And I was like, no. Yeah, no, oh, yeah. It gets easier. But I was like, I was like, Man, you you're in the middle of a really rapid river right now. It's like, it can be very intimidating to cross the river. But I promise you, you're you're in, you're in the you're in the in between, and he can't see the other side. But it's there. You just keep pushing forward one step at a time. Focus on your footing, don't lose balance. Don't lose sight, don't lose vision, just trust yourself, go after it. And
I love that you bought that voice into it. Because I think there's a lot of noise that says otherwise. And you can get caught up in the noise. So I love like what you said there like trust, trust yourself, to lead yourself through that.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you know, just coming back to the whole awakening thing, right? It's like, the willingness is it's a willingness, the awakening sort of happens itself. And he, you know, he ended up fun finding joy, because he got tattooed by her like seven years earlier. And then they ended up having this reconnection. It was like, perfect for them. And I was like, so much harmony in their relationship. And I said that to it yesterday, I was like, so much harmony, a joy. And she's like, Yeah, that's the word that I've been generally on. And she's so powerful. And like, she's got such a beautiful beam of light. And anyway, the whole point of this story was, it was it was sort of centred around this awakening this idea of like, do you choose it? Or does it choose you and I think very much it chooses us when we when we, the path reveals itself to us. But we've got to be the one that's willing to take the steps down the path, we can jump off at any time, anytime. And you can jump off at any time, but we've
had many opportunities to and I think some parts of it, I have fallen off actually, some parts, I have chosen a different road for a while, still with the concepts and the principles underneath me. Still kind of there. But I had been drawn in a different direction. But then I also saw now looking back that that time where I was in a different direction for a while, that also needed to happen for me to know some of the things that I experienced now to have more compassion for people that are going through things that I went through at that time. And so even if you feel like you've fallen off, there is no backwards.
Yeah, 100% never gone backwards. Never. You're always.
Exactly. There's always something that's gonna serve you from that moment. But yeah, definitely, I think I agree with you completely. When you said it chooses us. It's like, we're the vehicle in that moment. And I find it's often in deep experiences of pain, when we're like, empty, when we feel like we have nothing, and we're falling apart. I mean, it can happen in a different way. But a lot of the people I've kind of interacted with, it's been been through that moment of, like you just said that a near death experience or extreme pain that you're going through depression. It sparks something in you because what happens then is you become this blank slate for the universe to kind of find its way into you and then start working through you. I mean, I didn't like when I first saw you know, I hated it. When I started this I was like, resisting it as much as possible,
because you hate
I hated that it mean meant in my head at the time that I'd be different to everybody else. I walk this path. I'm going to be seen as absolute lunatic. This was something I held for a long time. Now, I love that I'm crazy.
You know, it's like what what's normal though, like,
appears like we were on a hike yesterday. And it was a big hike and I've done 40 odd people on it and they do it Every Sunday, it's like a Sunday church thing. And like, I had a conversation I was on the higher consciousness kind of in my own sort of space, just kind of observing and everything. I quite like to do that when I'm with lots of people, and I had this conversation Get Started about shadow work and all this. And then we sat on the beach knows this guy talking to another guy that started a men's circle. And I was like, How blessed Am I now to think that this, this younger person of me thought I was going to be so different. And then I'm somewhere now the universe literally brought me here in synchronistic ways where these conversations are completely normal. And then also, there's people on the high tech that are not spiritual at all, and they're talking about whatever they're doing, you know, normal day to day life. And I was like, everyone's just walking together. And everyone's not weirded out by any of these conversations. And I was like, how amazing reflect back on when I started this journey to think I'm not going to fit in, I'm going to be seen as different. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be seen as weird to then end up being bought to a place where doesn't feel strange to have these conversations. Doesn't feel weird to do that. And I mean, now look at us, we just sit here, and we talk about these things. And we know how many people are going to listen to them. It doesn't feel strange. It just feels amazing to be paving this, paving this way for other people to know this. It's empowering to know and trust and talk and live your truth. Yeah, whatever that looks like, whatever that looks like. But also not to enforce that truth onto others, that, that space for people to have a deeper connection with themselves, to see what the truth is, and walk that truth. I think that's just so