the ultimate question. Now what? Now? This is not what I want, how do I build what I do want. And there's some really great examples that I've been fortunate enough to encounter in the online business space. Let's talk about examples. Let's talk about what people are doing, right? Because I feel like when we look at these, like concrete examples, it's easier to pick out like a Why do I feel good in this space? What are they doing? There's a Facebook group for web designers, generally web designers, it's run by I don't think she's gonna mind me talking about her name is Sarah moon. And she's a web designer with a lot of experience and somehow, and I always say summer, because I don't know how she quite does it, she's pulled together a group of really great designers who have very similar values. It's the one group that I keep sending designers to. And I'm also very careful about who I sent to that group. Because I don't want to tell every single designer I encountered to be like, go hang out here. Because I want to preserve that sense of belonging, I want to preserve that culture within the group. And the reason I like hanging out there is because if I really have a concern about generally designed stuff, this generally the client situation or a business situation, I will go and ask and I don't mind looking stupid for something I've done in my business, I don't mind sharing it, what a pickle I have found myself in because I have seen through the conversations I that I see in that group, that it's okay, like a lot of people share from a place of vulnerability, and they always get so much support. And it's not just how it's okay, like surface level, you can tell when someone's saying nice things, and not really feeling yet your feelings. People don't just talk about client stuff. People talk about personal life stuff, when things get hard. How do I do this in my business, or when there are family conflicts, because that's all part of life. I truly feel like I know, we, the term safe spaces gets thrown around a lot very willy nilly. But it does feel like a truly safe space for that group of people. Clearly, people feel like they belong in this group, right? They can show up as they are they don't need to package themselves sugarcoat their problems. So you're like asking for a friend. This is not my situation. And I look at okay, like this is clearly a job well done. Like how is it being done? I think a big part of it is the way the moderator participates. Like she's not just this person at the top of the pyramid who like runs the group. She really offers advice from her perspective, I think there's just I don't know, is it just me or when you join these groups, whether it's 100 people or 5000 people or 50,000 people, the person who is the owner, the person who runs that group, they often feel like oh, you're, I feel like, if I ask a question, I can't expect that person to respond. Somehow there's a wall and they feel a bit distant. And it's almost like I have to respect that because how could one person And possibly respond to everyone? What is that? Do you know what I'm talking about?