So I have Carrie Lee. Now your last name is do you want me to lower? Carolyn lower and you are frosty Well, you are living in Iowa. I know you're have ties in Missouri. And yes. I had quite an interesting journey. Yeah, born and raised in the Midwest, grew up between the burbs of St. Louis and the burbs of Chicago and St. Louis. I. Yeah, I married in Iowa. That's my little joke. If you're married a guy? Oh, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I didn't know much about Iowa till my roommate I shared with you. My college roommate was from there. And I didn't have any. I didn't think it was bad from what like people that are were from Iowa. He seemed horrified to be from there. And I was like, what's the big deal? It seems pretty nice to me. But you know, it's beautiful. Yeah. You know, I mean, one of the first things that I that really just resonated with me was the first time I came out here. I mean, and we live in rural, very rural community was just the absolute silence. I mean, you could walk outside the back of my mother in law's farmhouse, and it's just the most beautiful silence I've had ever heard of my life. Yeah, that's not a bad thing. No, it's not. It's a different lifestyle. So that's a good way to put it. Quiet lifestyle. So sounds just about right. These days. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. So yeah, thanks for being on and tell me about your life. Before you got into green nursing. I know you're a green nurse, and you're also a registered nurse, and you work. So you have a regular job, and you do green nursing, also. So yeah, just give me a little background leading up to that. Okay, so before I even became a, I'm a brand, I'm still a brand new registered nurse. Nursing is my second career, but it's my first love. That's what I like to say,
Wow,
I've been a registered nurse for three years, a little over three years now. My first career was in mortgage finance completely. You think it would be the opposite? And I did that for about 15 years, everything from like processing, underwriting sales, ended with the bank, owned my own mortgage brokerage firm with my sister and my husband. Wow. Yeah, VIP mortgage group. We ran it out of Elgin, Illinois. And I pretty much ran operations. I handled every aspect of operations and you can be really good at something and hate it. Yeah. And that was me. I it was not fulfilling to me it was it did not tickle my fancy in the slightest. I was miserable. And what made you get into it in the first place? I just kind of fell it fell into it. I actually had left and moved down to Florida after high school in the in the early 90s. And when I came back home to the burbs of Chicago, my sister's still there. She was just got into the mortgage business herself. Hmm. And so I was crashing at her pad. And she was just like, Hey, you want to come in and check it out? And so I did. And, you know, it just it found me It fell in my lap. And I went with it, you know, so I had a great career, I earned a lovely income and met, plus lots of great life experiences. But like I said, it just wasn't it wasn't feeding your soul. It wasn't feeding my soul. That's a beautiful way to put it. So, you know, I took a lot of time when we when we moved out here from the Chicago area to raise our kids out here. I, you know, went from being in the corporate world and took a decade. Yeah, my family. That's a big, that's a big change. So you just decided to close up shop. And I'm sure it wasn't like one day, you know, it was a combination of things. I mean, we were we we could easily see the housing bust was right around the corner. I mean, the writing was on the wall. The industry was just in the infancy of regulation by becoming regulated. Uh huh. And, you know, we were losing some money. It was it was hurting. We could see it. Yeah, immediately. And before we exhausted everything we had built up personally. It was like, nope, we're out of here, right? Yeah, I just did. You know, I just given birth to our youngest son. And it was just one of those things where it was like, I don't want to miss my youngest son's toddler years and his life the way I did with my older son. Yeah, I was working 1416 hour days in the mortgage business. That's heartbreaking. When you have to work like that and you have young kids and not you know, I feel very, very blessed that as a woman in this day and age, I got to do Both.
Yeah, totally.
So you know, that's awesome. And then when I decided to get back into the workforce, I knew that I just I was not going to go back. I wasn't going to do it what everybody else expected of me. I wanted to really do something that I love and love what I do, and I'd always wanted. I always wanted to be a nurse, and I was like, screw it. I'm taking a leap, and I'm gonna do it. So here I am. 20 plus years after high school. Uh huh. finally going to college. Who the heck did I think I was? I said I did it. That's really That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. And shocked myself. I saw that you were like magnet Khun loud. A or? Yeah. At the top of my class. I said, I you know what, when I got into school, you know, obviously, when I'm taking the gen ed courses, you know, chemistry and whatnot. I'm amongst a sea of 1819 year olds, I thought like, Alright, well, I'm the old brought in here. I'm gonna show these kids how it's done. And I had that to prove. So it just kind of pushed me. Yeah, yeah. You know, it doesn't really get you anywhere in your nursing career. It's not like your employers like, Oh, wow. Why did it give you an extra $10 an hour? Because? No, doesn't work that way. Too bad. But yeah, proud
of it. Yeah, you
should be. It was.
I was proud of it. So green nursing. Okay. Yeah. Fast forward and jump to that.
Yes, please.
I didn't even know Canada's nursing was was was the thing. Um, so the last semester or so I'm joining groups and just, you know, digging in what's out there. What? So when you're in nursing school, you're looking around, trying to figure out what to specialize in or absolute. I mean, it's, it's, it's, that's one of the beautiful things about nursing is, it's your the possibilities really, truly are limitless. There are so many different nooks and crannies. Uh huh. You know, but in rural America, not so much. Your, your, you're looking at clinic work hospital or long term care, it's okay. So then you saw that when you were, so I saw that and it was like, okay, that I just, I just knew deep down inside that I'm not going to fit into a conventional box. I'm not a conformist. Anyway, that's the Aquarian enemy, you know. So I saw this article, I came across two different articles. The first article was discussing these 12 Top 12 unique, fabulous nursing specialties. And there were things on it, like being a nurse on a cruise ship, which now during COVID, I realized that would have been a complete boss.
Yeah, so probably.
I'm like being a registered nurse at, you know, concert venues, and things. Number 12 was cannabis nurse, and I was like, Wow, this is awesome. Um, and then I came across another article. Not too long after that. It was something along the lines of dope specialty cannabis nursing, and it was written by Eloise Thiessen, who is the president of the Nurses Association. That's how I discovered that association. I was like, wow, this really is a thing. Uh huh. And I, I joined in 2018. And I was silent. I didn't do our darn thing publicly. I was still way, way inside the closet, where you were you just just afraid of, you know, career implications, or just everything. I was afraid. I mean, first of all,
I
cannabis and I go way back. I was gonna ask you that. And I, you know, she's one of my best friends in the world. She's always going to be of it. So I was already comfortable in that in that. So was it arena? Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't I'm not the quintessential story of an illness brought me to cam right. Okay. Yep. You're on partaker for a long for. Yeah, my boyfriend.
Absolutely. Uh,
you know, I was concerned about the stigma. I mean, I felt I'm just like so many others, you know, in the country where, you know, people still equate cannabis, they correlate it to heroin use meth use, you know, this. Yeah, I just don't, I just don't know. It's just, it's not it's, it's just not even close. So yeah, that's the fear of stigma. The fear of you know, at that point, I have a nursing license. Now. I don't want to lose that. Right. Got it. Right. It's the fear of somebody, you know, a Gladys Kravitz out there reporting, you know, dialing up the child protective services. It's happened here in Iowa. Well, it happens in Massachusetts and we're legal. And I, you know, it's just like, What? That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that I didn't get into it before. Well, in a way I did until my kids are older because I already I mean, we had a lot of chaos when my kids were younger, we had DCF in our faces, so I'm adding a candidate, then. Yeah, it's it's changes you as a human having people come in and judge your parenting, especially when you're dealing with trauma, but history, you know, but yeah, I hear ya, it's Yeah, yeah. You got to be careful. So no, when? I do, I did like what so many cannabis nurses do. You You, you know, I thought I thought, you know, I found share, I discovered Sherry on Facebook, the green nurses and, you know, silently followed and I never clicked like, I never commented because again, I didn't want to Wow. You know, um, and then finally, I mean, you know, through my own post traumatic growth, and just coming in just beginning to come into my authenticity. I just finally got a bug up my butt. It was around Martin Luther King's day, and I just felt like, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start to come out. And that's when I created a cannabis nurse purely on Instagram. That was me, opening that door and dipping my toe into the water. And coming out slowly that way. Before you know, and you just kind of like, dig it all out, you know? Yep. I just feel like something that I've learned from, you know, veteran cannabis nurses, the pioneers, the trailblazers is that every nurse has to come to a place of acceptance within when it comes to coming out of that kind of closet. Understanding what the legalities are, how far are you willing to take this? How far? Are you willing to go with us? You know, what are you willing to rush? Right? You know, some of us, you know, we're just not in that place yet. And that's so true. It is. It absolutely is. It's a process and not everybody can be all in at the same time. Absolutely. It really is. So yeah, that's courageous. And so since then, so how's it been? When you decided to come out? First of all, you know, I felt like it was on an island, like totally alone. I bet in in Iowa. Yeah, I really didn't have a clue as to what I was, okay. My behavior on social media at that point, from a personal perspective, I was extremely guarded and private. I mean, my accounts were locked down, like serious lockdown. You're not getting in, you know. So it was a very, you know, it wasn't, it was just as much of a personal move, as it was a professional move. Things happened very, very quickly. You know, I don't know, I'm just like, kind of plugging along. And all of a sudden, I saw a post that Sherry did about we've got, you know, Dr. Clifton, in Iowa doing certifications. I was just like, Oh, cool. I like it. That's not a sign that I don't I mean, it literally could have just knocked me out right in the face. And right there. So I, I took I plugged my nose, the leap and jumped into the pool, and, you know, emailed and said, Hi. And what can I do to get going? And she's like,
I need it already.
I get there you go. Wow. That's how I that's how it happened. Yeah. That's pretty cool. So it's pretty cool. It's very cool. Yeah. I'm sure that it's probably felt like a, like a homecoming when you found you know, your tribe with the green nurses. And? Yes, because it seems to me like it's the right fit for, from what you've told me, you know, integrated, you know, your past experiences and being able to kind of use all the pieces of your life to inform your, your choice now. I mean, that's kind of what I see. It really is. Yeah, you hit it on the head perfectly, because I figured out very quickly starting my transition as a nursing student into real world nursing that I wasn't going to be able to do the things that I wanted to do from deep within my soul for patients. You're not going to be able to do that in most traditional Mercia combat environments. And that was gut wrenching. in a heartbeat. Yeah. Just tell me a little bit about that about I mean, so you got you got the nursing degree, you know, you're really excited to go out there. And then what capacities Have you worked in, in nursing? And well, first of all, I rushed in, I mean, I graduated in July. And with you know, by the middle, I mean, within four weeks, I took boards. I didn't break. I just graduated took boards. started my first job in an ER brand new nurse. Oh, my goodness, what the hell was I think? I can't imagine that that's like, so stressful. Know what? Yeah, I mean, I knew going into it that I had the intellectual capacity, right? A heart You know, and the stomach for it. It wasn't the boss had to learn the techniques or the the nuts and bolts are they? Well, and unfortunately, that's where my complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder came into play. The stimuli that goes on in an emergency department, you have just several layers of different noises and things going on. There's never a dull moment. Yeah. And that was overstimulating for me and I had was experiencing bullying from my purse doctor. And unfortunately, I wasn't in a place emotionally health wise. to stand up for myself. I didn't have my voice yet.
And then there.
Yeah, it was horrible. I did not even make it out of my orientating period, my my 90 day period, I resigned. And I essentially had a nervous breakdown. Sorry. Yeah, I had a nervous breakdown, I should have been probably hospitalized in a psychiatric unit. But I isolated and licked my wounds and for several months. And, you know,
I learned a lot from that, though. I mean, I can imagine, you know, and just say that you should have been in a psychiatric it because I personally had a nervous breakdown. But they would call that and I don't know whether that would have necessarily done me any favors, just because the nature of my traumas and whatnot, were so off the track that I don't know whether the people that were would have been there to help me would have had any clue how to actually get if you know what I mean. So I do know what you mean. And that was actually, I was hell bent on avoiding it. And
yeah, I don't blame you.
Because of the fact of what I had experienced in that, er, as a nurse, the way that I heard nurses talking about behavioral, the PA behavioral patients coming in acute crisis, literally fighting over who was going to have to take that patient. And I was always like, I'll take that patient, I have no problem taking that patient. It's not like I was looking to, you know, be the site guru. It was right. How can you do that? Yeah, you know, it's, it's just a, you know, it's just a reflection of the crisis state, orderly country has with behavioral health. So
don't get me started.
Having that knowledge, though, like, really, internally for me was like, I can't go to an ER, look at how they're gonna. I knew. Absolutely. I knew to. Yeah, I'd already experienced pharmaceutical trauma from psychiatric medications years ago. Um, you know, and medical trauma in that sense. And, you know, I did not want to be put in a unit where they're just gonna pump you with a bunch of and make you feel like a crazy person. And you're less than and, yeah, so you have a real inner knowing what about you? You know, really? Absolutely. And I mean, you know, what, I've grown a lot since that time. I mean, I ended up, I work in a long term care at a skilled nursing facility. My director of nursing is she's amazing. She's an amazing human being, I was very upfront with her about my emotional health. What was happening because I felt like, you know, what, my employers, they need to know that. Yeah. On the floor, that has, you know, history of, you know, emotional health issues, you know, and she was like, Yeah, let's do it. And that's awesome. You know, she's been very flexible and patient, and it's taken a long time to just be comfortable becoming a nurse in the conventional sense. I bet. Yeah. Yeah. So you juggle that. Thank you for that. Yeah. So how do you I guess, what do you see as the biggest challenges in terms of bridging the gap between cannabis nursing and traditional nursing? Yeah, I feel like it's such a multi layer. I really is. I know, I'm not asking the right question. I don't think,
um,
I mean,
are we talking in terms locally? Are we talking? Well, I think in your experience, so I guess I'm trying to formulate the question off the cuff because I'm just interested in this piece of it. Do you see I mean, I guess you talk a little bit about your own experience with cannabis. I guess that would be the better question. Okay. So we already addressed it. I have you're comfortable with? Yeah. So what how's it helped you? Yeah. And what do you obviously like growing up and you know, adulting on my use, you know, more and it stopped being such a recreational adult use type situation and I was using it to reduce my anxiety. I didn't know at those times that I had si PTSD. cannabis is the only thing that allows me to sleep without having nightmares, or night terrors and now directly correlated to my si PTSD. I actually thought that was a normal way of living having nightmares. Really? No, I was I've just been recently diagnosed with C PTSD here the last two years. And, you know, they asked me on a questionnaire Do you have nightmares? It was like, Yeah, my entire life and it really sucks. And that's kind of how it was like, oh, okay, well, I've gone to a lot of misdiagnosis. I bet Canada that's kind of where my my cannabis as a patient came into play for me. Okay. dominantly the nightmares and you know, when you're with with PTSD cptsd you are basically fluctuating between the forest flight fight, Bonn freeze, depending upon your environment, and what is happening and what is triggering you and how you're being Are you having emotional flashbacks? Are you having visual? You don't? I mean, I do. Wow, way to take you out of that frickin box. Yes, let you just slow it down a minute. Let me see what's going on here. off the presses, people.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what it did. For me. I was like, put the brakes on a little bit. That's pretty much the major thing that I would say, you know, as well as helping physical, you know, helping physical with my physical health was just slowing things down. So I could frickin see what Yeah, yeah, I mean, I used it to reduce the nausea and vomiting that was coming on because of the anxiety being in a constant anxious state. It Yeah. Horrible things to your digestive system.
Oh,
and and, you know, I don't know, I, I'm very fortunate in the sense that, you know, I am a registered patient. That was very important to me. I want to experience what my patients are experiencing. And just like other patients, I wanted to be legal. Yeah, I want to be legal. I want to do this the right way. Yeah, I hear you need to, I want to lead in the proper way. by example. You know, so I'm lucky I have an employer. That's cool. They know. I'm very transparent. I cannot withhold and hide any longer. That's part of my personal. I know. Yeah. So yeah, that's it. Yeah. It's I love hearing you know, just the, the honesty and the, you're putting the pieces together now from the life that you've lived. And I found that that cannabis kind of helped me see that. So and I see I hear it with you. I hear I know. I've heard it with you know, other people with the store. It's pretty weird. I don't want to say weird, but like, when I first started hearing people say like the plant did this or the plant I was like what? You know, but now I'm like, Oh my god, are they a part of some?
I felt the same way. I
did. Yeah. I know. I think it's that it's that brings in that spirituality portion. Thank you. Yep. Right. Yes. Yeah. And I guess that's been a really important piece for me and it sounds like for you as well. You know, I think I went through like being in a very closed minded religious upbringing and kind of slowly pulling away from that but not finding finding anything that really made sense till I came to you know, cannabis and just the plant entheogen experience getting out of your head. Yeah. Oh my god getting out of your own way getting out of your own way.
Yeah. So
how is it what so what do you see now like now that you you're a cannabis nurse in Iowa? I know there's research. We talked a little bit about this before, but I don't want to say do you have? What's your practice like? Or what are you doing now with your business? Is it mostly just online or about that? Yes. I mean, with COVID it makes it difficult to do the person to person and also just my geographic location, right? literally like three hour drive one way away from any major metropolitan area. So the good news is Dr. Clifton is back doing certifications in Iowa. She did take a little bit of a hiatus for a couple different reasons. So we've re calibrated our our program so cool, that we're handling things. Let me back up quick. Iowa. You can't even call the bright room a cannabis program like medical cannabis program. It's referred to as a medical cannabis dial program. Oh, CBD then. Yeah, I mean, and you know, they Wow. Yeah, that primarily like we don't have flour. We don't have concentrates. It's, you know, vape it's tincture. capsule. Yeah. But you can get your card so you can use THC. Yes. Okay, products formulated with THC. And then so effective July 1, they, you know, we had a big reform. So they lifted that three tenths of a percent a cat that was on it at one point, and now it's kind of funny, but so 4.5 grams over 90 days is the max THD that a patient can have in Iowa. Wow. Which Yeah, like, like, gets us to an eighth, right. I like to try to visualize an eighth lasting for 90 days. And I don't know how many people but that's that's funny. Sorry, that right out. But what it did do, here's the steps, baby steps it is his babies know, what it did do is it allowed the manufacturers to then develop products that have higher amounts of THC in it introduced. Yeah, they introduced two new vapes with higher THC amounts, which I cannot wait to get my hands on. I'm actually gonna go this week. So Dr. Clifton, and I, I like to refer to myself also as a virtual rn. Uh huh.
Sure, we,
the way that I explain it to people is we are the green team, we function exactly like a doctor and a nurse would function okay with a goal environment. And we just do it virtually, that do it remotely. So you do certifications. Dr. Clifton does the certifications I handle the incoming inquiries and I get the you know, I do a full patient intake and you know, health and history and medical review and consent, all that good stuff, and get them really thoroughly prepped, and they go have their exam with her so that she can really just focus on them. Yep. Yep. That's beautiful. And is that just for Iowa? Are you certifying in other states right now? Right now she is able to do Vermont and New York. And we, you know, I am licensed as part of the compaction agreement. So I'm actually able to practice in 34 states.
Wow. But Wow.
Yeah. But it's nice to have that on the table. And, you know, it's like, you know, I told, you know, Sherry, you know, Sherry's on board with that, too. And, you know, we've all discussed, like, let's get one state opened up and flowing before we start, because, you know, you got to know each individual state. That's what I was thinking there's got to be I mean, it's, I'm not ready to take a bite out of that quite yet. Yeah, definitely down the line. Absolutely.
That's great. That's great.
So it gives us a little bit of hope, you know, because that's a problem here in Iowa is finding a provider that's willing to certify, yeah, yeah. And the mental health, the mental health pieces, you know, as far as the pharmaceuticals, that's pretty much the standard still is to Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know, I kind of want to get it. What are your thoughts with what's going on? I mean, how do you see the future of cannabis in the country or do you have Are you hopeful I am good. I am Don't don't feel like it's a matter of if it's a matter of when. Here. Here's what I like to say. Hop on the bus guys, because it's already left the depot. Yeah, you can't stop what's coming. You can slow it down. You can slow it down as much as you want. But you can't stop the revolution. Yeah, it's here. rates. Yeah, it's here. Yeah. pumped up about that Hell yeah. How's your family been with with your transition into this? cannabis nursing? Have you had any? Is it been challenging or everybody's supportive? I mean, I've I'm very open and transparent with my kids. As far as my external family, I mean, yeah, I got a little bit of pushback. You know, mom was like, Oh my god, you know, you're gonna go to jail. You're gonna get arrested. You're gonna go to jail. It's like mine. It's gonna be fine. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be fine. You just block out the external. Yep. And locally, where you live? I mean, do people even know you're a cannabis nurse? Or is it just? Yeah, they do. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hide it. That's, you know, part of the beauty of social media. That's why I started that, you know, with that round. So, you know, and people be calling my husband. Oh, my God, your wife. Oh, my God. Do you know your wife has a an Instagram account? It's about cannabis. What? What's going on? Oh, my God. It's like, Oh, my God really? Lets that happen or about it? Yeah. That's funny. He's had more, you know, anybody that's connected? He's like, your body guard. Like, wow, not really my body guard. But I mean, he has to be fielding a lot of inquiries. You know? Yeah. I don't make I don't make myself available to, to people very often, you know what I mean? Um, so he's had to take in a lot of that, like, Oh, my God, what's she doing? And the dud and he's pretty, you know, we I've kind of coached him along the way, like, you don't gotta say too much. You don't kind of feel like you have to defend me. Right. This is her thing. You got any questions? Give her a call. She'll be happy to talk to you about it. Perfect.
Yeah.
I think um, as far as you know, that's, that's why I kind of focused on social media. I just wanted to help desensitize. Hmm, it's a good way to kind of start while the the legislation is still kind of, yeah, I mean, you've got to give people something to hold on to and like it, make it more of a familiar thing. So I don't just do nursey sciency posts, I do funny meme posts, I do all kinds of interesting factoid type things, because that's the culture. That's the cannabis community, you know, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. And the more that I share those things I can see, you know, in some, you know, ways that it's helping, it's working. It's it's little tiny things, you know, it's Yeah, I've appreciated your social media presence online. Yeah, you post a lot of stuff that just is is not, you know, it's not specifically cannabis related issues, or spirituality are just fun, like, some fun things to participate in. And so, yeah, yeah, I think they've got a bright future in this in this field. What's your vision?
Oh, my God.
I don't know. I really don't. Okay. I feel like right now. It's really new. I'm still developing and learning and I'm in the infancy of everything. And that's cool. I think really, I resonate with people that are suffering from emotional health. Okay, you know, I see that my focus, and for me, it's like, I just want to help people kind of, let's slow down. And if they're not in an acute crisis, like they're not a danger to themselves or others. Let's, let's take a deep breath. And let's, I want to look at the functionality of their lifestyle. What is their sleep, Raj, let's get back to the basics. Yeah, let's see. What is your nutrition and hydration? Like? What are you doing to physically move every single day? Yep. What are you doing? like where's your social support? What's your level of religious or spirituality? Do you meditate, do you you know, there's so are you outside getting sunshine? Yeah. Simple as these things sound. I they're an integral part of being a healthy human being. Yeah, and you know, I think that like traditional nursing or and traditional health care, it's like we're only getting the very narrow medical piece. It never was I told you should try to boost your immune system. Here's a few things you could do. Or even you know, it's always just it's so focused on what now it seems to be focused on what pill Can I put you on? Especially the older I get, the more the more I'm like, really kind of blown away by how quickly they're there's that reached to. Yeah. I'll see you back in 30 days. And if that's not working, we're going to add this on top of it. Oh, that's not working. Exactly. Here we go into the pharmaceutical trauma. Yes. Yes. You're in psychiatric medications, I think are the worst. However. It's,
I agree.
It's across the board. I'm not. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard to say that. Yeah.
I hear.
Why do we have to put it as a first line? Exactly. Let's get down to the dirty white elephant in the room, because health care turned into a business model. And not patient centered? It is. Yep. And I think I see cannabis as kind of forcing that issue because you can't use cannabis and not pay attention to the other pieces of your life. And it seems to me that it won't allow you to, I hate to say that's probably not the best way to say it. But it's kind of like all inclusive. Yeah, it's a good thing. Right? I mean, I feel like, as you know, health, I don't blame, I don't want to sit here and act like right leaning doctors and nurse practitioners for writing out all these prescriptions. That's all they know, that exactly. Medical School, you know, and just like in the mortgage industry, we were being solicited by every lender, every investor of the frickin book. And this is my program, and this is what I'm gonna pay you to sell this product to that client that it's no different with the pharmaceutical game worldwide. You know, it's just, it's a business model. It shouldn't be that way. And the commercials, why on my gosh, I get I like, seriously, I can't believe the people could sit through those and then go take that medicine. It's part of that conditioning process.
It's conditioning. You're so
right, it's become normalized. And now what I'm trying to do Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to normalize the plan. You know, you're gonna really judge me as a mother and as a human being and as a nurse for coming home after our 12 plus hour shift busting my and I'm just gonna take a couple you know, little hits off the batter's box that you're gonna stop at the gas station and pick up a case
lever.
Don't
don't even go there. I know. Also their baby. Don't go there, huh? Yeah. Yeah, it's it. I think once you start, like you jump into that you take plug your nose and jump in. It's Yeah, you know, there's so much to it. There's a lot. Yeah. Yeah, this has been awesome. I think I pretty much covered covered a lot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, Carrie, thanks so much. Take care of here. Have a good one. You too. Bye bye.