Fix Your Posture: The Connection Between Your Posture & Your Brain, Feet & Eyes with Annette Verpillot

11:32AM Nov 20, 2023

Speakers:

Angela Foster

Annette Verpillot

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If you start going barefoot and you have what I referred to as a mixed foot imbalance with your feet, well, you'll end up accelerating or speed up the process of getting injured fairly quickly.

You're listening to the highperformance health podcast helping you optimise your health performance and longevity. My name is Angela Foster, and I'm a former corporate lawyer and high performance health coach. Each week, I bring you cutting edge bio hacks, inspiring insights and high performance habits to unlock optimal health performance and longevity. So excited that you've chosen to join me today. Now let's dive in.

Hi, friends. In this week's podcast, we're going to be talking all about posture and probably some of the things that you've never really thought much detail about how they affect your posture, one of the things you'll be hearing about is your feet, and how being barefoot has such a profound impact. I know that when my kids were young, I tried to keep them barefoot as long as possible, before putting them in kind of into training shoes and things like that, because the proprioception makes such a difference. But it also makes a huge difference to us as adults, and also how things like the position of our tongue affect our jawline, and our kind of neck and things like that really, really fascinating interview with my guest is a net for pillow who is the founder of posture Pro, she's a Canadian entrepreneur therapist, an internationally recognised posture specialist who's known for her expertise in restoring the brain body connection, she has a groundbreaking method called the posture pro method, which she uses with athletes and professionals worldwide. You can get online consults with an ad, you'll hear her taking me through a bit of positioning myself on this interview. And I think it's really fascinating, you're gonna find out a whole lot of information. But if you're like me, I definitely didn't know before listening to this. So without further delay, let me introduce you now to Annette Virpi. So in today's podcast, we're going to be talking about posture, something actually they haven't spoken about on the show before. And also the interaction between posture and the brain. And other thing you may not have considered yet how our feet play a part of this and even things like our jaw and eyes. It's really fascinating. So firstly, I'm welcoming and that for Pio to the show, who is a posture specialist and founder of posture Pro. It's great to have you here and I'm excited for this. Right, Angela? It's

a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on. Okay, you said something, we were just chatting offline. And I had to stop you. And I was like, no, no, no, we have to hit record, we have to record record now. Because you made a statement. I think it's quite profound. On the show, we talk a lot about longevity and high performance and energy and health and vitality. And you said I write this down the way we fight gravity dictates our health and longevity. What do you mean by that it's probably a good way to start. Well,

we as bipedal creatures, the the number one thing that we have to learn to master is fighting gravity. Gravity, gravity is a driving force that is going to build our brains. But in essence, it could be it could have a negative impact on our health in the sense that if we're not fighting gravity, optimally, we run into energy leaks. So in other words, we end up wasting more energy standing upright. So we have a certain amount, every one of us has a certain amount of energy allocated to us per day, every single day based on our lifestyle and genetics, and you know, everything else that that revolves around the realm of just global health. But if the one factor of fighting gravity is already off balance before we begin our day, then we just end up wearing ourselves out prematurely, or energy out prematurely. And if there's too much energy expenditure will eventually run into inflammation will cause us to be in a state of chronic stress. And then we start to eventually start to slowly break down. This is not a process that happens in a second. But this is a process that can happen over time. And we know that fighting gravity also affects blood pressure. As a matter of fact, blood pressure, according to some studies, can influence all cause mortality anywhere between 20 to 25%. So we know that with improper posture, there is a negative effect not only on our internal organs with a slouching type of posture, but also on the calf pump, which is basically the return of the blood to the heart. And this can also occur just simply by posture, so standing upright and fighting gravity. So for me looking at someone's posture and their relationship to gravity gives us a lot of information in regards to their health, and potentially what's going on in the nervous system as far as As far as what we can do to intervene to help them fight gravity more efficiently,

interesting, as I'm standing here, I'm kind of thinking, you can only sort of see the top half of my body. But I guess I'm sort of thinking, I wonder what you're picking out like, what what what what might I be doing now, that might be causing me to sort of deplete my energy if you like, or restrict the way that blood flow is working?

Well, there's, there's ways to measure what we call the sagittal plane, which is basically the way that you stand from the side and how far away your head or your ears are in relation to your shoulders, and pelvis and feet. And that line of gravity is constantly present. So if you have changes in the centre of gravity, which can be measured at the level of L three, so in essence, the line of gravity should pass right through the centre of the third lower vertebrae, the L three, than the way that the gravity will project on the ground and your foot posture and your overall stability will be affected because the angle of your sacrum will change. energy expenditure will happen with more glycogen being absorbed by your muscles, but in a negative fashion in the sense that you are going to over exert your energy and eventually run into perhaps adrenal fatigue and you know, any other type of diseases that may be linked to just mitochondrial fatigue. So I'm not saying that this will happen every single time. But what I'm saying is that there's a direct correlation with the sagittal plane, and the muscle function between the synergy between the flexors and the extensors, which are going to dictate your posture in the sagittal plane. And when we look at that we can associate specific types of chronic ailments or pain in regards to that specific sagittal plane. So I'll give you an example. The famous anterior pelvic tilt or forward head posture has massive repercussions on L three, and actually projects your entire body weight, upper body weight forward, which affects your blood pressure. So there goes longevity, just that,

when can I ask blood pressure? Is it affecting it, raising blood pressure lowering blood pressure, now

it's going to increase it. So your heart will be more throughout that day. Okay, so if we can decrease heart rates throughout the day, then we know that these are associated can be associated in some cases with longevity. But you're also going to create mechanical concerns. Because your body weight is pushed forward, your toes will grip to quiet kind of keep you focused or levelled with the horizon, the functioning of your knees and your hips will also be compromised the mechanics of the knee and the hip. And that's going to affect your entire spine all the way up to your head. So we've created professions around every single one of those joints. But no one is looking at the brain, no one is is challenging the way that one relates to gravity. When I when we talk about gravity, the way that we are standing upright can be measured in oscillations. So the oscillations of a muscle will be anywhere between eight to 20 Hertz. And what it is, is that we're actually if you're standing up right now you're actually oscillating. And we're not seeing the oscillations that are happening very, very quickly think of a light switch that you put on and off. If I do it slowly, we can see the light going on and off. But if I do it really, really quickly, it appears as though the light is constant. This is the same thing with movement in Parkinson, that movement or that series starts to break down and you're able to see more psychotic movements because they are unable to control the movement through their brain. So when we talk about static posture, again, we can measure it from a ForcePlates perspective, from a hertz perspective, there are partial oscillations that can be measured. And in essence essence to keep it simple. It's the synergy between your ability to inhibit flexion and activate extension. And that is in direct correlation with what I call the the postural blueprint, which involves your feet, your eyes and your vestibular system, which is your inner ear. If there's an ace synchronicity between those three sensory receptors, then you will have poor posture and if you have a postural imbalance, you will eventually have pain.

And it's really interesting when you're saying this because when you're talking about that forward flexion what I've noticed and I had to work quite hard from when I had didn't my days working as a corporate lawyer is I would naturally bring my head forward a bit right. And so when I was assessed it was kind of like bringing that back and they talk a lot in Pilates and they about drawing your ears kind of in line and your shoulders back and down. But I still have pain there and actually ended up with two prolapse discs in in that area that have caused like a lot of stiffness. Are you saying that when you're talking about the feet and the jaw, like how might those things in the way respond to gravity? So for someone listening who a lot of people particularly like, office workers, right will experience a fair amount of neck pain? What is some of those times? I think that's tension as well, why do we hold it maybe in certain places? What's contributing to that? Because the classic thing as you say, is most people assume, well, I need to go and get a back neck and shoulder massage, or I need to go and see my chiropractor and get some kind of adjustment. What would you say? That would be a way to target that, then?

Yeah, so we first need to establish a baseline. Postural baseline. Most of the things that people describe in my practice are symptoms. So you just described one, neck pain or shoulder pain or you know, thoracic pain in the shoulders, they're all symptoms, what we need to start looking at is your baseline of how well are you fighting gravity. So before you move in, without thinking about it just standing naturally, in an upright position? What does your head look like in relation to your shoulders, your glutes and your feet? Step one, then we want to determine if we were to look at you from the front are there any imbalances are there is there one shoulder that's lower or higher than the other, and the same goes for your hips. And then third, we want to determine if there's any rotation. So if I were to look at you from the top, do you have a shoulder that is more forward or a butt that is more posterior posture is unconscious, when someone says I'm trying to adopt proper posture, it's the equivalent of someone saying I will try to control how many times my stomach contracts in order for me to digest my food, we can accomplish or have an effect on blood pressure through meditation, monks are able to achieve this. But this is a lifetime investment. I think that for the most of us, most of us are not monks, and are not meditating all day long. But posture is regulated in the same parts of the brain that control heart rate, respiration, and blood pressure, tonic posture. If you choose to move and contract your head and bring it back, we're talking about a different system. We're not talking about posture regulation, which, which happens in the primitive brain. So exercise does help activate certain brain areas that will have an effect on your back muscles like Pilates, like yoga, which will help you manage your stress. But if your baseline is unbalanced, if you have a foot imbalance, if you have an eye tracking issue, and you're doing yoga, and your weight training, and you're meditating, you're simply managing, you're not really addressing or fixing the imbalances at play. So the you need to find we need to find a way in rehabilitation or in the 21st century, or people need to be aware that their posture can be influencing the progress that they're looking to achieve.

How would you then, obviously, you know, a lot of those things you've mentioned I do. How would someone then address this if it's if it's being done? Or kind of, on an unconscious level? That posture? How would you correct it? So for example, I want to bring my head and shoulders back and I want to have better posture and stand up right and release pain and things like that. Obviously, as you said, like it's not conscious because when you when you become conscious of it is an unconscious pattern, right? And then you go oh, like around my soldiers, I've done like this and you see someone then physically come back, they'll address it for a period of time, but also the small muscles right begin to ache, and then they can't hold that for any length of time. So how would they address this from an unconscious perspective?

So you have to change the way that they relate to gravity, right? And how do you do that, you have to target the sensory system, which is going to be your feet, the foot encompasses the skin, the muscles and joints. So the first point of contact with the ground the feet. At the same time, you have to train your eye muscles, which are going to give you balance within your body. And if the feet and eyes are optimised, you will immediately have an effect on your vestibular system. So the inner ear is the part of the brain that is kind of like the leveller of the head. And every single time you move your head or you're walking you're jogging the liquid in the inner ear like the liquid in the bottle will move either to the left or to the right. And if there is an imbalance in that system, which is stemming from poor foot posture or poor eye track During then your vestibular system, which is by the way, constantly, constantly sending information to your nervous system 24 hours a day, all day long at every single point in time, your vestibular system will override any type of rehabilitation that you are currently doing. So how do you fix it, you have to stimulate feet eyes, vestibular system, for a minimum of 10,000 hours in order to create, that's the equivalent of six weeks times timewise. In order to, okay 10,000 hours in order to create changes in the fascial system and in the muscular system. Right. Okay. And this is how you would be able to reverse a postural imbalance and create long term changes in posture.

And how would you do that for six weeks? Yeah, so

we use so so so how do we stimulate the foot I mean, you need to you need to either have a therapist with you 24 hours a day that's stimulating the skin of your foot, which is not really realistic. eye exercises can be done three times, you know, exercises anywhere between three to five times a day. And for the feet, we use therapeutic insoles. This is where we came up with previous studies that were published that talk about frequency in regards to the skin in general. And what the scientists wanted to determine is if if certain types of frequencies were used in different areas of the foot, could they could they decrease partial sways as opposed to increasing them. And it turns out that when you inhibit sensory sensation from the feet, you actually increase going back to the beginning of our talk, you increase these partial oscillation, so I make you more you'll become more unstable energy expenditure. But if we optimise, if we reduce if we optimise the sensory input in the skin with a frequency, then we can reduce partial oscillations. And this is where the therapeutic insoles are how the therapeutic insoles were born we use a 90 hertz frequency, which is the language of the nervous system. And we use this frequency at a specific area of your foot. It's not electromagnetic, it's not electric, it's a frequency. And we use that frequency to stimulate better balance with your muscles which has a direct impact on your inner ear, which is your balance system of the nervous system. And then we are combined this with eye exercises.

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Are there any side effects from using these? When you say like it's balancing? Does anyone get dizzy with it or anything like that?

We we've rarely had any negative effects from wearing the therapeutic insoles. I would have to say that maybe once since 2006. We've had someone maybe say to us that they feel slightly dizzy from it. But the way that I perceive that is if you take someone who's unfit from a from a neurological perspective and have them become a little bit fitter. They might feel nausea at first. But then it quickly dissipates. So there are no side effects of pregnant women, Parkinson's disease children, we're just basically improving the way that you're fighting gravity.

How do you how do you get these days you have to do an assessment, or? Well, we've

worked through COVID, we've actually released our insoles to the public prior to that they were only being sold privately to different health care practitioners, and for myself clinically, and you can get them online now on our website, and we've opened the market to to the public. Interesting.

And as you take an assessment to decide what you might need, it's

better to have an assessment. But the therapeutic insoles are usually used for any partial issues and for any pain. So we have different models that we have on our online store for different budgets. But the ones that I've been working with strictly since 2006 Are the therapeutic insoles.

Interesting, I think it's something I should try for my neck pain.

I would want to say that the neck, they do have an effect on on head posture and neck pain. But when we talk about neck pain, specifically, I would be more inclined, for example, if you had a session with me, or if you came or had an assessment, anything that is above the diaphragm can involve as a starting point, the eyes and the jaw.

Okay, interesting. Okay. And so you'd need an assessment for that. And you offer online assessments, presumably?

I do yes, you do. Yeah. And in person.

Whereas in person in person

is UK, France, and California?

Oh, you do you come to the UK as well. I do. Interesting. Perhaps I need to really do like a part two, we were talking Weren't we about doing a live? Maybe we need to do that with an in person assessment. That'd be great. Yeah, that would be quite fun to do. Okay, and what about when you you flattened the there around blood pressure, which was quite interesting to me, because obviously, we immediately jumped to like the the longevity side. And, you know, and the impact of having high blood pressure. But also some people will struggle with low blood pressure. And it's definitely something I experienced a lot of, and particularly when I'm changing, you know, from like, if I'm working out in the gym, for example, on the kind of blood rushes to your head and things like that. But also, sometimes I will just suffer with low blood pressure, which can actually make you feel quite dizzy, does posture have an impact on lowering of blood pressure as well. So

I've seen it on. So when we talk about low blood pressure, of course, you need to make sure that you check with your MD and have you know, an assessment and make sure that everything's good on on that end. But if we talk about the sensory receptors, and look at the connections between the eyes, and the vagus nerve and your thyroid and the way that the hormones are being affected through posture, one would be inclined to think that there may be a relationship there. So if there's kind of like a vaso vagal effect happening through the lowering of blood pressure, that can definitely it can stem from a partial imbalance, it could also stem from an imbalance with your eye muscles. And the first thing I would recommend is because the eyes are connected through the vagus, there is a connection in the brain without getting too technical, that does have an effect on the parasympathetic system. And if that system is over activated, over activated, then you may just pass out. If from a partial standpoint, you are unable to again, going back to the gravity, if the blood is unable to go back up to your heart, you may also pass out and this has to do with the health of your of your arteries and the veins and just the calf pump that is supposed to push that blood all the way back up to the to the heart. I mean, you hear a lot about this with blood pooling. When people are sitting down for a long time, they kind of have their legs that starts to get numb. They don't have the proper, how can I say if the muscles are weak in that sense, and the muscle the calf pump is unable The veins are unable to pump the blood back to the heart and they may experience what you've just described. So to measure it, you need to work with a with a doctor very closely. cardiologists would be great, but there are definite links that could be made with either high blood pressure or low blood pressure simply from a partial standpoint. Oh, interesting.

What are your thoughts around people that go out and I mean footwear, for example, like companies that do more barefoot style shoes. You know, there seems to be a kind of divide over whether these are really really beneficial. I know that they use different muscles. Certainly if I were to put on a pair of barefoot trainers and go running, it stimulates much more calf muscle activation and things like that. I'm curious your thoughts on that? Yes.

So anything that's going to promote the movement of the foot, I'm a big advocate of however, again, what people may not think about is the general baseline of your of your foot posture. If you start going barefoot, and you have what I refer to as a mixed foot, imbalance with your feet, well, you'll end up accelerating or speed up the process of getting injured fairly quickly. And this is when you'll hear a lot of people will say they've dropped to Ground Zero shoes, and all of a sudden they have plantar fasciitis, or they have lower back pain that's immediately appeared. So I'd say again, we want to make sure that the structure is perfectly aligned before doing anything. And then at that point, once that's taken care of anything that you will do to improve proprioception will help you towards a better lifestyle. But the idea really is prevention. What we want to do is that we want to educate the parents so that we can start right from the get go with the children as they are developing their nervous system and their posture up until the age of eight years old. This is where you'll have the greatest impact with posture development, but also with the jaw and just breathing through your nose and facial development and the entire brain. Because movement is what activates the brain. And ultimately, what happens is that as we grow, we learn to develop the part of part of the brain called the frontal lobe, which is not electric, electrically active, fully developed or mature, I should say, in a newborn, or in a child before the age of eight years old. And what is going to simulate that is movement. So there are specific stages that that children need to go through. And I think that parents should be educated in regards to that. And shoes are, as we were discussing are a huge part of that, especially when we start to take them into kindergarten, and we put shoes on their feet. Yeah,

yeah, that I mean, that's really interesting. I do think parents should be educated because I was aware, certainly, I think we were speaking offline that when men were tiny, you know, I wanted them to be barefoot as much as they possibly could be. But I hadn't realised that there was having quite that impact until the age of eight, which is really, really interesting. And it's funny, actually, isn't it? Because if you look at Oh, think when you look at a toddler, for example, and they do a squat, they will go into a perfect Squat all the way down with a completely straight back. And they can put their you know, glutes right down onto their heels and rest. And inherently, we know what to do. One thing that's also interesting to me, I was looking some time ago, Dr. Kate Shanahan has written a lot around this and the structure of the jaw and how the nasal breathing affects the jaw structure. And the link between we're seeing a lot of people now need to have braces. And it's even becoming even common that we're seeing adults having corrections with it. And a lot of people aren't breathing through their nose, can you explain like how nasal breathing and jaw alignment is such an integral and important part of this? Well, just

like posture is important. The development of the jaw relies on the positioning of the tongue. So the starting point, if we're talking about the jaw is tongue posture from birth. So how can we affect tongue posture from birth, it begins with breastfeeding as long as possible. And then with the introduction of hard food, hard food for the first three years of life, or I'd say the second and third year of life, certainly, this will force the pressure with the teeth, the development of the jaw, tongue posture, all of that system. So swallowing, speaking, chewing, all of those functions of the jaw will help shape the palate to accommodate the teeth. So if we have improper tongue thrust or tongue posture, if our swallowing pattern is not properly stimulated or developed from birth, we will end up having teeth issues, dental occlusion malocclusions, they are all revolved around a symptom, which is the tongue going back to parents, most parents are not aware of this orthodontics 300 years ago, 200 years ago even didn't exist. Yeah, they're not exist. And if we look at the skulls or the jaws of our ancestors, they all have their teeth. They all have square jaws. And they're all nose breather. So it begins with the tongue. So starting with the tongue with a toddler as early as possible, breastfeeding as much as we can, if possible, trying to introduce heart food as long as possible. Children is what's going to ensure the proper development of the tongue. Now the problem with the tongue is that it's going to create a problem with the teeth, which will then create a with the arch, which will create a problem with the teeth, which will create a problem with the joint, which will create a problem with the muscles of the jaw. So one problem has a cascading effect, everything and the everything that I'm speaking of, we've created professions for it. And neither one of those and the same goes for the body. And neither one of those professions are going back to the root cause. So in the example of the jaw, the root cause if this is the tongue, in the example of pain, which by the way, is a five $500 billion expense per year, the cost of health care is just exploding. I call it the unspoken blueprint of posture, no one is going back to the brain. We're assessing knee hip pain, but no one is looking at the way that someone is fighting gravity. So there are ways to help children promote I've just posted a video certainly with it with a newborn and toddlers and even adults. mewing can help position the tongue on the palate, but just like the foot, it's just much more simpler and much more efficient to wear a device. If you're an adult, that is going to help you have proper tongue posture throughout the day. And ideally, when you sleep, well,

this is the thing, right? Because you're particularly as a young child, I mean, you're spending a bigger, big proportion of your life asleep, right? And so whether you're nasally breathing, and that position of the tongue is going to obviously influence how you're growing, right? And we know we produce a lot of growth hormone in sleep. I mean, you know, I can look at my children even now. And they wake up and they go, I think I grew. And it's like, you did like you visibly grew last night, right? It's really interesting. And I just to kind of validate really, from personal experience, what you're saying there, I had a situation with my middle child where he was really like struggling, he was mouth breathing. And it always really concerned me. And it wasn't until we moved house, that I realised that it was something in that house that was affecting his breathing mechanics, because he and it was a beginning. And this is really quite concerning to affect his growth, because on the growth chars, he was reducing, so the projected height and you should be following obviously, that line was He was a tall boy, right, he was going to be on the 98th 99th percentile. And he dropped into the mid 70s. And his jaw, we could see, I thought he was going to end up needing braces, things were changing, even though we were giving him the diet that had things like the bone broth, and the meat and all the collages everything that you would think would be doing right. And when we moved out, he suddenly then went through this period, where He just slept. And he was like, and it was actually the beginning of COVID. And they said, Mommy I can breathe, I can breathe through my nose. And it was nothing short of transformational because he jumped back to where he should have been he grew his has not needed braces to the dentist, absolutely no need his jaw corrected. And that is like the proof, right? I mean, it's transformational, what I saw just from that, or

it's massive, it's a true game changer. If you can help somebody breathe better, you're, that's kind of a given you're, you're changing their lives, you're changing. And of course, nutrition will affect this different houses or you know, for sure there's more than houses or different pathogens in the house that people don't think of, but you have to kind of, you know, figure out what is causing the child or the adult to breathe through their mouth. And if possible, try to intervene to change that. So that you can give anyone the chance, or at least the best chance as possible to to breathe through their nose. But if we go back to, you know, let's say there was no issues with the house and there was a proper diet, there's always, it will always be added a benefit for any parent to ensure that the development of the tongue, the proper tongue posture, tongue on the palate is optimal in the early stages of life, as much as possible. Now the tongue is controlled by you know, the cranial nerve of the tongue is again in the brainstem in the same area that we're talking about with with posture and if there is an imbalance in muscle tension, you know, when you have one bicep that's stronger than the other, you may have the same thing going on in your tongue. And if the tongue hinders on one side, as opposed to the other, it's going to prevent the eruption of the back teeth, right? On one side. So this is where you know when I look at Jaws, I'll notice very often you'll see that just one side is completely worn out. So this could be of course chewing, if somebody always chews on the left or on the right to finding while teeth grinding is should not be through throughout the day. So that's a problem in itself, which we can talk about later if you'd like. But I'm talking about just a general eruption of the teeth. If the tongue is leaning on one side more, it's going to prevent the eruption of the teeth on that side. So if you have that imbalance teeth are longer on the left shorter on the right, it's going to affect the mechanics of your joint. Right? Sure, yeah. And the jaw, the jaw connects to your posture through the hyoid bone. And that's going to affect your shoulder posture. And that's going to go all the way back down to your foot. Wow.

So that so committed to it. Yeah. Yeah.

So when you understand this and you you look at someone's that's coming into the office, I mean, the the windows and the the, the conclusions that are just come the things that are just coming at you, you're like, you have to address everything at once to create those that those changes in in the neuromuscular system, in order to have long term effects or partial effects.

So should our tongue be when like, I'm thinking now, as you're, when you're speaking, I'm thinking about where my tongue is. I'm curious

where it should be. Well, first of all, your teeth shouldn't be touching at all. My teeth are not touching. Yeah. So slight contact is considered grinding, the Teach should only touch 12 minutes per day for everyone.

Under non touching.

Yeah, no, that's fine. And the tongue, the tongue should be just behind the front teeth without touching it.

Yeah, that's where it is, is that because I'm breathing? nasally when I'm not speaking, because it's resting just above my front teeth. Yeah,

just above the front teeth and the soft palate and it should be flat on the palate. So most people will have a tendency to kind of point their tongue up and just like do it like, and I'm not saying that's what you're doing. But they kind of like they're pointing up. The tongue should be completely flat.

Ah, no, I don't think mine is flush. You mean? Are you saying it should be flush with the roof of your mouth should not just be completely flush? Oh, no, just behind. But not the whole tongue is not flush with their mouth. Because I mean,

it was stabbed in the back of your throat, but most of the tongue should be in contact with your pals. Oh,

yeah. No minus, yeah, yeah. And that's what you notice, when you breathe nasally as well, right, because the position of the tongue changes as soon as your mouth breathe.

Yes. And if you have the proper height of the teeth, then if you have the proper height, which is called vertical posterior vertical dimension, you'll have the proper positioning of your joint to temporomandibular joints. So the meniscus that's in between that will move fluently and symmetrically on both sides. And if you have that proper height, your tongue will sit naturally on the palate without you having to think about it. But if you clench your teeth, if you wear out your teeth, because you're stressed or whatever reason, if you have a malocclusion, if they're worn out asymmetrically on one side, it's always going to be challenging for you to keep, you'll have to consciously hold that tongue posture for the rest of your life or until you intervene. Right? Right, because Because teeth can't grow back once they're worn out. They're worn, you need the intervention of a dentist. But again, since we're talking about prevention, why not? Why not start to implement the implement these habits at the beginning of life? And it begins with the parents, it just begins with basic knowledge of how the nervous system what what one can do to optimise the development of the nervous system with their children, I believe on a global scale within 20 to 30 years, this will have massive repercussions on any society and on health care. Yeah,

well, it already is right, because we're already seeing just how many people are in pain, how many people are having braces to correct their jaw. I mean, as you say, when you look back ancestrally, we, we grew actually with very good structure. So it's not, it's kind of, it's hard to accept that we suddenly just can't have good facial structure. And it's interesting, because I think it was Dr. Shanahan, who looked at the example of Kate Middleton having very, very good teeth and jaw line and structure. And that will be an example of someone and like the way facial symmetry is right, is also kind of important. And part of that, as you say is nutrition. Part of it is breathing mechanics. Of course, of course. Yeah, very interesting. Where can people find out more about your work is it's really fascinating and get support. I know you you post a lot of content, you're sharing a lot of content, can you share where people can find out more? So

we're super active on Instagram and our handle is posture Pro. So you'll be able to find this across pretty much every single platform out there. The popular ones I guess, under the handle posture Pro.

Awesome. And how often are you here in the UK?

I'm here I'm there now, two to three times a year. I love the UK. Love it. Love it.

I do despite the I'm looking outside of the rain right now. Very nice.

I do not have any problem But the weather there and it beats the weather in Montreal by far.

Okay. What part of the UK do you come to?

I'm usually in the Fulham area for

Yeah, yeah.

Yes, is where I you'll find me and hanging out. But I just absolutely love it. Awesome.

We will link to everything in the show notes so people can connect with you connect with your content. I love what you're doing. Thanks so much for coming on and sharing all this just you've opened my eyes to something new and I'm sure you have many of the listeners too. Well, thank

you so much for for giving me the opportunity to spread the awareness. It's been a pleasure.