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Hello again. And welcome back to another episode of the joy found here podcast. So you're hearing this during my birthday month in May. And as everybody knows, I celebrate every 31 days that may has to offer. And I am teeing up so many good talks. And today, no exception. I love this world of podcasting and how we can connect with people not only all over the country, which we do in different time zones, but today all over the world. And coming to us from Amsterdam, we are speaking with Julie Perkins. So a few things of why I wanted to talk with her. We think we have problems. We think we have business problems or perhaps some curveballs that life might have thrown you. Well guess what? Julie's no exception. She's lived with them. She's definitely learned how to look forward and survive, starting with as a lot of us have in the house. So it doesn't matter where you start. And in some cases, in this wonderful world, I'll say of podcasting or even wherever your laptop happens to be on your lap, it can be a small closet. I'm fortunate finally, for the first time in my life, that I have a spare room, the annex room or what we refer to as the room formerly known as Greg's. But, Julie, she started a business from the inside of, I don't want to say I don't even want to say side hustle, because it's a business. And even though you start at home, she's landed on the world stages, survived some cancer. So okay, there's little curveball there. Gotcha. But that didn't stop her, which I want to hear more about love, love. And also, I know and it's almost like in order to qualify to talk here, you have to be an author, because I love authors. I love stories that go on and on and shared. And she has written a book called The wise way. And I'm spelling wise, wys II, also a fellow podcast hosts. So we're gonna hear about that and a ton more. So with that, I say Welcome. Welcome. Thank you, Julie, for being here.
Thank you for such a warm introduction, you have painted the recipe of Julie Perkins, better than I could have done so.
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I come from a sort of very high paced entrepreneurial family. So I think that being the starting point of my life, and having a complete drive, for trying to discover what can be done better, I've always been that that all of my life, I think that's a huge part of me, and then speckled with I'll start with the word failure, but when you come from an entrepreneurial family, it's never referred to as failure. It's trials, which I think is a very healthy way of looking at it. As you mentioned, we'll throw in the cancer and
a little, a little sprinkle here and there just to be like, Oh, that's right. That's all fast. Come back. Exactly.
So think that sort of recipe of drive. And curiosity, I think really does make up me 54. And, you know, I'd like to say that I've never felt as fit. And well, as I do on this day, in terms of my 50s. Having that energy is just a blessing. It really is. So through that journey, and there's very few people in life, I think that can say that I look back, I wouldn't actually change a thing, or my career or anything like that. Think I'm very blessed in that way.
Right? It is interesting that you say that, first of all, my 50s were the greatest time. birthday month 62. Although I didn't I started the year not even knowing how old I was that that's always a good sign. But my 50s were so much fun. And I don't know, if you just wake up with a bucket attitude of like, been there done it, we're gonna be okay, and not get so involved in the minutia. There was wonderful, great things that happened to me in my 50s, there was a sprinkling of some long term friendships with girlfriends that kind of dissipated that after, like, it was interesting how that played out. And I was like, Okay, so just because you have so much time of knowing someone, and I'll say, of being friends, air quotes, sometimes time doesn't solve all when you really sit back and look and be like, I don't know, you know, is it serving me,
I think you're so right on the 50s. And I think you've got so much of your life behind you. And when you're looking when you're going through that big change, right, whether it be cancer, whether it's change of job, or whatever, I think you've got the wideness to actually reflect in a very broad way. And I think that has been such an amazing part of the cancer journey for me, even though in terms of reflection started a little bit before then. But I think in our 50s, with our experience, we understand what to just let go, and what to appreciate as part of a journey rather than Oh, my goodness, you know that. We look at it in different ways.
And I think that also probably has effects on not on your health. In an everyday standpoint, forget when you're dealing with calling in your mindset to be like, alright, I ain't got time for this. Whatever I got to do, show me the roadmap, let's go give me the checkered flag, ring the bell, on good. And as I was listening to you, as the entrepreneur, we have these titles that I still think in a short dialogue with you that never defined, you
know, that's right. And, and I try and that those journeys, those milestones in life. I try and support with those stories to entrepreneurs. So I work with young female entrepreneurs who are trying to go there business, but bit bit stuck. And I talk about these journeys, because the more that we can prepare ourselves in the presence of now, how endeavor, whatever form that is in, the more agile that we can become. And I think that was a big sort of thing I learned through cancer, I actually learned from Macmillan nurses, amazing. And I've gone back into hospital after the second chemo, through pain. And of course, they treated me and then she said to me, she said, I bet you wish you'd eaten burgers your entire life and not live this fit and healthy. And I want to be quite honest at this mind, moment I do. And she said that this is the time that you learn that what you thought you were in control of doesn't exist. And you can only prepare yourself as well as you can for this moment, in order to be able to face anything that's thrown at you, of which counsel was one. But I sort of in terms of female business owners as well. We work quite a lot on that. Because when you know who you are today, and it sort of stands out and you actually as present as you can be. Except that control is never,
never in the equation. Yeah, that's right. So it's so interesting. And I can only speak from the females and the different coaches that I've spoken to on this platform. And the side hustle entrepreneur, I've always been through my career as well, as women. We play small, let's not bring too much attention to ourselves. I think we're all gold medal winners of the imposter syndrome, for sure. And again, do you want to be the one with the tiara and the sash walking down the runway shit? Yeah, I do. That's why no, that's why we do this but it takes so much
She, and he couldn't have given me the sort of better introduction for knowing that, you know, working with female entrepreneurs, they come to me, they're like, right, what am I doing what was my appetizer, I said, Okay, for the first sessions, we're going to do nothing other than growth begins with you. And I said, you know, look at it like a diamond ring, where this sort of diamond is this gift that you've got to get, you've got to understand how you support that gift into life. First, and when you know who you are, it gives you that power to put the essence of you into your business. And what we do as female entrepreneurs, is we tend to build ourselves into our business. And when I try and do for the first couple sessions, just try and separate out the two so that they understand who they are of which a business is a part of it. And it's so, so important. And again, once we can do that, we actually can give ourselves that this very valuable space between us and our businesses to separate out, and then you can use the full force of you. But if you're kind of building caves around yourself, right, no, Brian, other than people, it's a challenge, you must see, time. You know, it's funny I do and and as you're speaking that some of the other guests I've had on the show, who have built a business, something happen, they lose everything, they rise from the ashes, they do something different. And they probably were able to do that, because they had their themselves their belief system. And it just makes so much sense. I just got that visual, when you said that is they could go on to create anything, just as you have a business, you wrote a book, you do a podcast, like, you can do it all,
if you want, it's a lot for some, or you know, people are very content with this is here's stay in my lane, this is good, let's not, you know, I don't need to carry all 28 bags of groceries in one trip, all of that, you know that the challenge that we always say to ourselves, at least I do.
I'm laughing. But I see it in myself.
But it's so true that when you take yourself out of the equation, to really just begin with yourself, then you can really do anything and I would think adapt to anything.
I think it's easier also to when you actually are really defined your values and what the gift is you've got, it's easier to be present. When I did it, I learned the hard way. As I said, I'd write my introduction. I said, you know, a lot of my life was not failure, but terms of trials. And I surrounded myself when I was opening up the family business in Northern Europe, with amazing people. And the band was brand was really growing. But there was something like it was chugging a little, and I sat in the garden, the house where I am now. So it's 3am in the morning. Now I was just like I was hands to the universe, what more can I do? This was the original story. And two very loyal team members said, are you still doing what you love. Because if you don't love what you do, and I think that was the beginning of the story about knowing who you are and separating yourself, separate yourself from the everyday situation, because without realizing, you can build that cave. And so now in terms of a say growth is a series of waves, make yourself constantly redundant back in, just so that you know that you've always got that space. Because when I sort of analyzed it, I thought 80% of my day, I'm actually doing stuff that's not actually within my skill set. But I'm just control. And once we can do that, of course, it's easier said or done. I didn't wake up the next day and go, that's it. Yeah, that's right. And I think that's so important for the entrepreneurs that I work with war for all entrepreneurs, is to constantly understand where you are and your business. Are you in it? What role are you doing? And what's that space, and we do tend to translate ourselves right in the middle, especially in the early stages. Because you know, sometimes a lot of the entrepreneurs I work with, they've not worked in corporate situations at all. So it's all very new. So we're holding on to everything. It's the beautiful journey. And as think such an important one, in order to get through that no man's land. When you're starting your business. It's forming a survival and you're having to do everything yourself. It's actually your first sort of experience of redundancy. Make yourself redundant and how do you reposition yourself onto a different wave? Right, and I think that is one of the most enjoyable parts Have what I do is just their face. And they kind of go, oh, yeah, that makes complete sense. And it's like a penny dropping in a good way.
So the book, and the book title, the book, spelling, the wise way, congratulations. I think everyone's got a book in them. And I don't think it's any coincidence that I tend to talk to a lot of authors and I kind of pepper like, so what's the process? Do you just wake up one day and say to them today, let me just open that Google Doc and come up with an outline or something. But first, the title brought to me about that. Well, the wise
way. So obviously, my company's wise mines, because there's a collection of us. Okay. And actually, it was a young person that strangely when I was waiting for my diagnosis, because I thought I would need to sleep to take my mind off stuff. So I am terrible at writing. So I joined a writing course, because I thought, I'll throw myself into something that I'm terrible at. Because then I've got no room to think I've got to really concentrate on other teachers saying very smart.
I like that way of thinking. Yeah.
And we were talking about the taboos for digital right for website. And I was in my 50s, everyone else there was very, very young. And one of the young people turned around to me when Yeah, if you call it wise with an eye, you sound old, and fuddy duddy like an owl, like you're wise. And I went, I was quite insulted at first. And she said, why don't you just change it with a why? And I just thought, so true. He said, it makes you much more. Yeah, that's lovely laugh myself. That was the wise way. And really, one of the big challenges that I get when people come to me is that everyone thinks their problem is unique. So I say your business and yourself, you are very unique, but the way companies grow is not. So actually one of the comforting things for entrepreneurs, is when someone says to you, you're in exactly the right place, and this is not your fault. And they go, Alright, so the reason why I'm sort of like feeling so it's not your fault, because company's grown in a particular way. And the reason why you feel stressed at the moment is your company's trying to knock you and wake you up or trying to get on to the next wave, and you're holding on to the ultimate. So I thought, Well, I'm gonna write my book on that. So that it's very short one, but it's just based on an entrepreneur called severe. Because in some ways, in the early stages, everyone's severe. And when you realize that you're not alone, even if it's a fictional character. There's comfort in that, right. So that's how I started.
Love that. And you know, what life is about validation? I mean, we go through, it's so interesting that we do go through this life thinking we are the only ones were the only ones on the spot, like nobody has ever gone through this felt this way. You don't even know what I'm going through. Try me. Maybe I do. Oh, that.
Yeah, I think it's so true. And I think because, you know, we start businesses, lots of the entrepreneurs I work with, I'm sure that a lot of the entrepreneurs that listening now, you're starting because you've got this passion to change something for the better. And there's such a want, and that energy is enough, right at the beginning to start your business. But then as you grow, and more people come, whether they're customers, whether your team, something's got to change. And I think if we can just solve with female entrepreneurs, where we have this very early maturity and a lot of the businesses, that's all I wish to do, and I've just say, do the following five little things just at that point, because that means that more, hopefully, more good ideas are out there in the community, you know, we've got a longer runway of business growth, because on the whole, women choose products and services that are more service care orientated. In their I don't want to put a hole in the book, but generally, a lot of sustainable companies recycling companies that I work with education, big ones, and sometimes it has a longer runway, so we can just stop it going into early maturity, even if there's short lot of things to do. That makes sure that it doesn't do that and go into an early maturity, and it has a right to be out there. And I think there's plenty of amazing people out there that grow them venture capital investment, who go them out there, but who grabs them before they get to knock on that door. What happens if we're losing amazing ideas for that, right,
that don't have the numbers to even get in the elevator to go up to the top floor to pitch. I mean, it's sad. What I'm hearing is and it really makes sense it but when we live in this time of instant gratification, immediate, immediate, immediate, immediate, and you refer to To indicate it a runway. So this isn't the helicopter that's just leaving the ground and is immediately airborne. Obviously, it's a journey. And I wonder I'm curious, do most entrepreneurs when you see them when they come to you, are they rookies? Are they in their maybe first bout of what the hell is going on here? What do you get?
I get those that are probably on the verge of falling out with their business. They suddenly say what the thing I love, why don't I like it anymore? Why don't resent having it in my life. But all it is, is the business just poking to something's got to change. But it's normally around that. That's why it's not a quick fix. I don't think that's the right question. It's just about adjustments, and actually accepting going on the instant gratification that when we read the headlines, she made 76 million by, you know, blinking an eye. It's the headline. And actually, her journey or his journey would be fairly, very similar to what you're going through, they go Oh, right. They haven't written that in a seven day course.
True that absolutely. So what I'm hearing and it makes so much sense to some entrepreneurs, they might be solos at the beginning. But again, flipside of this day and age of instant gratification, we also live in this day and age of the gig of the Freelancer where you could probably get some help and outsource a few things that when I split, and I'm like, That is not my strong point at all, certainly not my superpower, don't ever let me do anything like digital or, you know, like, get, you know, save that to the experts that are out there. And that can do it in a quarter of the time it takes me. So that's a good thing about this day and age that we live. But you also have to be, I want to say confident and clear.
Yeah. And that's why we spend time with the entrepreneurs sort of saying, this is you there's your values, how do you translate them into your company? And what's the customer journey? And where do you place yourself on that. And then step by step, you understand, going through what to give up. And I'm fascinated by Mount Everest in life, send it I love it. I love watching the stories, the pictures. And I will say that there's four camps before you Summit. And what happens is if you don't constantly evolve yourself from camp to camp, learn how to tell take people with you learn to experience how you'll climb together, you'll get to camp four, and you're trying to get to the summit. And what happens is what they do is they just watch a lot of people walk past them, whether it's fellow entrepreneurs, they're going faster than me, they're starting to go summiting. And they're watching it. I said, Because you're too heavy, to join the summit. And so we spend quite a lot of Marie Kondo, we kind of say what no longer serves. And that can be people you said at the beginning friends, your bid can be also team members, you know, people that took you there, and I learned that from big entrepreneurial family are always going to be the people that are going to travel at your finish. Correct, right. So growing businesses should be joyful. And it's simpler than you think that its complexity comes from, obviously trapping ourselves in. But also the joy comes from saying goodbye to things and leaving a greater space like Marie Kondo does with our wardrobes, you know, it's that it's exactly the same with businesses. And then you've got space to travel with the tools you need to summit and to sub and Summit. And I think the loyalty that some entrepreneurs have towards teams or things they've done in the past. It's how we nurture it. But is it harder for us to say goodbye, I don't know. And you can say goodbye in terms of respectful ways to services to people to ways we do it so that you're traveling with the lean up to the top. And not all the history.
That is key. I mean, and again, not just in business because so many people get comfortable. So many people have closets full of seasons of different sizes of clothes. Yes, Marie come on in and help us. But it's so true because it holds memories. It holds so many reactions to that but then it also flipside, holds them back. It takes up that room, and like anything like personal relationships People come into your life as they say, for a reason and for the season. And just because you meet someone, just because you get along with someone, doesn't mean they need to stay around forever.
They don't. What we learn in our 50s is the broad people that you gather, because you, once you understand where you're going, you know who to seek to come and support or be a part of it. And I think that's brought in another wave of people in my life, you know, that I wouldn't have necessarily met beforehand. And I think that's what makes it interesting. That's what keeps it interesting to people. For sure,
when you make a conscious decision, for whatever the next step is, it could be alright, I'm going to really pack it up, I'm going to use my nooks and crannies of extra time and not sit in Netflix, and shell work, you know, I'm going to finish my courses, I'm going to be able to bring my product to market in, you know, eight 910 months, when you decide the universe conspires with you, for you. And I'd one I'm curious if you've had it sounds like you've had those types of results as well.
I must admit, I agree with you. I mean, I always say to entrepreneurs, and also to myself, once you're clear about who you are, and what you're going to do, you tend to magnetize people towards it. So the debate is always the testator, is it from the universe, etcetera, etcetera? Or is it because you place yourself in that mode of opportunity, you're seeking what you want to do, but it's clear for people to be a part of it. And I think when entrepreneurs first come with me, so how do you sell yourself? What do you do, and it normally goes on for quite some time. And the whole objective is, it's two sentences, not because you've got to sell yourself at every network is because that's what you ooze that makes you curious to other people. It makes all right, you don't have to give everybody the sort of warranty. So what do you do? Who are you kind of say, Oh, well, for me, I make growing businesses simpler for female entrepreneurs, or, as I said, with Agnes, keeping her clothes in, play them and goes, Oh, that sounds interesting. And I always say, pretend you're a bar talking to a friend. And that friend asks you what your company stands for, you're not going to bore your friend who's you want to at least to stay to the second drink, right? So you start to adapt a more natural way of communicating what you do. And that clarity, I think puts it out there, I do think there's a magnetizing towards it. But I also think that generally people is the clearer you are with what you're looking for, you talk with more confidence, you talk with greater clarity. And you'll come from your own inner voice, which makes you sound a lot more authentic and natural, rather than imitating myself. I grew up, you know, lots of people are entrepreneurs, and I've grown for this. And that's, you know, it's like,
Yeah, that's correct. And you're talking because you're talking and answering the questions. And this is what I do. And it just rolls right off and you're not reciting your mission statement.
You wouldn't be curious, you kind of what, you know, you don't want people sort of walk about a networking event voiding, you want to be sort of like, Oh, my God, I've found you again, because what you said, was curious for me, rather than Oh, my gosh, I know everything. Now since she was age seven. I'm exaggerating to make the point. But I think we should talk with shorter sentences and greater curiosity. And I think that is what brings people in towards the next step. Don't be getting married on the first date.
Well, let's have coffee, just having coffee. Just add a home in separate cars always. Keep it so how does I mean, let's stay with the curiosity. If I you know, if I have an idea, I think it's gonna work. I'd love to do this or do that. But then what exercises or what questions do I ask myself? Or would you poise to me to get clear, as I'm sure that in order to get that little two sentence delivery, which might have started on at least one page with a lot of editing, Oh, yeah. But I was to say,
similar, very simple. If you're not quite sure because you know, a lot people do a lot of things. Very, very simply try and look towards the wall in front of you and ask yourself, What are you trying to change for the better? What are you doing that makes a greater change? Even if they just for a couple of weeks? Just think about that one visions? statement, don't worry about, you know, von finescale. What was the CEO? What did they say? Don't worry about that. Just understand what you do. What are you trying to do that's different, because that helps with two things, one clarity. And secondly, it starts to address the imposter syndrome that we have. Because what we can do then is to map ourselves into that vision just give you the essence of, so it doesn't matter what your product and services is. No one's ever going to do it like you do. So, yeah, there could be other consultant companies out there. There could be other vendors. Of course there is. But no one ever will do wise mindset we do now will never do it like we do, for example. And if you just kind of work on that vision statement, what's the thing that you're going to change. And I learned that from my mother, she's entrepreneurial, that was what she was going to change in the optics industry. And she always said to me, stick to the knitting. And what she means isn't not to do the same thing. Because Because of course, life changes. But to really understand that core change you want to make. And she's never do even though the product and everything's changed and evolved, our intention of change has never changed. And that's coming to 80. And she'll still, she can recite verbatim, that very first lesson, she wrote to herself, and I've loved that. And I give all the entrepreneurs that I interviewed her on my site, and I said, you know, you were in a very male orientated industry. And I said, What made you keep going, she said, because I knew I was right. And she doesn't say in an arrogant way, she says it in a way that comes from her very, very soul, her vision statement, her passion and her passion. But she puts that passion into something that other people can share. And that, to me, is the very beginning. If you're out there at the moment listening, and you're kind of feeling overwhelmed by your business, or, as I said, you won't be getting to know you just sit for one week, and just have a look at what what am I trying to change? And how do I use my values and how the lens through which I see life? In making that happen? Don't worry about all the corporate stuff. Don't let it burden you just very simply touch with the vision and say, How am I making that change? And sometimes just from that very small exercise, it's like, you're shaking the shitshow you're shaking that tree. And it's not needed, what stresses you comes away? Just for that statement? That would be my greatest advice. If you're kind of going, oh my gosh, why have I ever started this? It's a beautiful way of just beginning that sort of clarity. Jernej thinks very helpful.
The ability to get quiet. It's such an easy thing that so many people overlook because of this hustle and bustle world that we live in. And if we're not moving, we're not living but yet so much comes in the quiet. But it's yet also so uncomfortable for people because they're not used to. Oh, what do you mean? It's just me? No, it's just me. No, no music? No distraction. Yeah, just you. Maybe you'll hear the birds singing right now or, you know, a truck passing but it is just you.
Yeah, but one of the things I always introduce entrepreneurs to is back to paper and pen.
Magic of it truly, truly. Now, did you write your book on paper or in computer? Oh, you brought it up?
Oh, if I go down, I look at the archives. I've got reams of these books. I'm a writer. Totally with pencil. Always have been always been a drawer or as in meetings, but I find it's like a contract. It's something that that had that typing will never grave me. Absolutely. For me. It really, really is enjoyable to someone you know, I love paper and pen. A lot
of creatives. So I don't know if you're familiar with a Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian, but on his documentary, he talked about how he uses a yellow legal pad to write all of his jokes and he has every one and they like lined a street that went for a couple of miles of all of his work. And that's from the creative standpoint. It's the connection. It's definitely
the connection. I'm a massive fan of Julia Cameron. I love that you know that fairly pages. I enjoy morning pages and journaling. I enjoy them and it very much works. And I liked that creative side. And you know, we always look at creative as in your drawing on Saturdays. But writing and creating businesses is very important to be able to do. Because for that first period of your life, you're often the sort of king and queen of your own castle. So in a way, you've got to have the output, and to leave space for the next ideas and you write leave space, right. And then through that journey, you're starting to create something, I used it a lot during cancer as well, I wrote it as a personal book. It was called waiting for August. And it's all about the journey of trying to stay present during cancer, because you're so yearning for it to be over. What am I going to do sort of wait for for a journey in six months time? You know, how am I going to bring myself present every day? In order to have an amazing, amazing, strong word? Six months journey? Otherwise, I'm just sat there going? August yet? August yet? Yeah.
And there's a lot, there's a lot that goes on. Yeah, not have not walked in your shoes. But it's a time for a lot of reflection. Sure. And that's where it's like you yourself. And then when August comes the new and improved, Julie, okay, there she is, you know, throw on the neon lights, because she's back. And yeah, you look at that next path down very differently, I'm sure
very differently, if, you know, that whole sort of journey, but, uh, not waiting, not wishing for the future, which she wouldn't do a normal life, especially waiting for businesses, you know, don't hurry the process, you'd be enjoying it day by day as you build it. And it's a very good lesson for everything, even when, of course, an orchestra
of absolutely when you have it in sight. So again, I keep hearing your common thread, and then I want to get on to the podcast, but your common thread is just to always leave room, you know, you have your ideas, you might jumpstart them, that's great. But then, if you always leave room for expansion, think about like, if you're even, I don't even know why I'm thinking of like, you know, I don't even canned vegetables, but or sauces. But if you did you always leave room for in the jar for expansion. So you're always leaving room? Yes, each and every step?
Absolutely. You know, because that's the room for the curiosity. That's the room for understanding once you've completed that, is it going to stay? Is it going to go how you're going to evolve it through. And I wrote with a behavioral scientist, and a financial consultant, this growth evaluation that actually says, You've got to constantly leave room to keep things aligned, keep it moving. And as long as the world is turning and changing, which we very much know which is, then your customer is as well. And it's never been as agile, as quick moving as it is today. So you need to leave that space. This is what I mean, don't be growing your business around you. Because you'll forget what it's like to look for that. Next opportunity doesn't have to be completely inventions, but making sure that you stay relevant. And what really helps with that is knowing who you are, and separating yourself out so that you're always looking at things in a more positive way. Because you've got space to
the Yeah, either that or then you don't have any or maybe have it by accident. And then when it's over, don't realize you had it.
Yeah, definitely. If you want to stay present, you've got to leave that room was well, just as beautifully as you've just said, really? Because if you're staying present with this complete box, then how do you move yourself agile into the future? How do you evolve your business yourself, your team, etc. If every day is very rigid, and that's about leaving that space, and constantly asking what no longer serves. And I think that's the big reason why I've started putting my course online, because it needs to be accessible for people. And also going back to the small book from cancer by actually writing in terms of the present every day, you leave that space to reflect. Otherwise, you're literally day by day being thrown through it. And having that small reflection time, says What have I learned in terms of journaling was a huge thing doing it but I also kept a photo diary, which very strangely, I look back on with fond memories gone. Oh my gosh, I remember when I walked on the beach and you know And there's this that visual, that journey, there's a pride in that for sure. And leaving that space to look at cancer or looking at as something else other than what you're faced with on a daily basis, I think plays a key role for sure.
I love love, love that. So podcast. Tell me about it.
Oh, in terms of the podcasts, what I've actually started doing in terms of for my book, I'm only beginning it now. So I'm very new to the whole, that's fine. That's good. So my thought because I was trying to think of a way this this book companies, the course. And I thought, wouldn't it be amazing to get an entrepreneur, the entrepreneurs I work with to choose the chapter of Sofia, the way that it affected them, and what they learned from that, so that you have an entrepreneur talking through Sofia, and promoting it. So I think that message comes better from the people who have journeyed with it, and discovered themselves. Because at the end of the day, it's the book that follows Sofia's journey and her frustrations about what went wrong with the book, her thought, what a beautiful way of communicating what it is because, you know, the book comes with the course the books are awesome. But it's such a beautiful way of getting entrepreneurs to link in with each other to talk the same language, which they do in their different ways. But they kind of go on the same journey. And then choosing the chapter, that's the most like, this is what I learned the most and talking about Sofia, because every story they can teach somebody else through storytelling through that's going to be the biggest tick to keep great ideas alive in our communities. Because I will say it's not all about the spanks, great businesses, local community are also very important. Your local town, your country doesn't all have to be global. It's just in terms of how do you make the change that you want to see in your community, whatever your community is. So I'm going to start of course, it's not as great as your this podcast, but I'm going to start just getting entrepreneurs to tell their story by Sapir, and to talk about what it was like from their own words, rather than, you know, because I do quite a lot of writing of their stories. But there's nothing better than hearing the story from the horse's mouth
by going auto read by the author right now. I love I love that for sure that sort of great idea. Love, love. That's a great idea. And it's really going to bring that extra piece of here's what I talk, here's how it affected me. Absolutely. Oh,
yeah, synergy a little bit of that. Okay, coming on, because what my whole wish for him is that everybody's business can stay up, if it's a good idea, let's try and do whatever we can to keep them as viable as possible. And I'd sort of hate to think that a business closed or something like that, because the couple of simple things, just you know, not everyone wants to be these huge businesses, but just a couple of certain things go like this a little tweak, take yourself out of business, et cetera, et cetera. And sometimes that's enough for people. And if they can find that just because c'est la vie visa or Agnes some of the entrepreneurs that I've worked with, talk about their story and only words, I think it will bring
what I hope you'll find what I found, that was a wonderful surprise. And I certainly didn't think about any of it along the way I didn't as I said, you know, I was happy that I did one that I was able to say, Okay, I have a podcast out there not really thinking past that. And then I'm like, oh, every week, okay, ha, you know that. And here we are. But what's really fun is when you get either a little note a text or review from somebody that says, whatever, they heard that they really resonated with them, and they needed to hear it at that time. And if you really think about most cases, you've recorded it. In my case, weeks prior, maybe they heard it from last year. It's just so cool to have the opportunity of the recording out there for the people to hear it at the right time.
Yeah, you know, just by listening to your podcast and stuff of last couple of weeks, you know, I can remember about the portrait, the photos, things like that, how, and it's small things, you know, and I Gosh, that's so obvious why, you know, why would you not take the photo that way? You know, so it really is.
It's telling you, um, I hope you have as much fun as I do. Well, you know, you get to talk to people, obviously from all over the world that I certainly would never have even made the connection with and then just as to you know, learn about all of their offerings, their journeys, and in a lot of cases, you know, some of my guests I've had back and just like, let's catch up where you've been. And that's the fun part about it.
Yeah, it does sound fun. And it's so lovely. I just like this conversation that we've had, how inputs just naturally flows. I, I feel if I was in New York, we kind of go for a walk, or
I'm so far away. Well, next time you're flying through, or if I find myself there, believe me, we'll look each other up, for sure. For sure. All right. So this has been such a pleasure. I thank you. Thank you. Where can we find you? Where do you hang out on social media?
Well, social media on Instagram wise mines, and also on LinkedIn was mines in there. As well as now you can fill out the growth evaluation, you can. There's no charge for it's completely free. And you can fill out that you can read some of our stories, I run a blog, I soon will hopefully, get my recordings of Yeah, of the elders that have gone before everybody. And so that's where we're only be sort of LinkedIn, Instagram, and of course, what website why and then wise minds is the younger version of who we are.
This has been a pleasure. Thank you. So thank you so much. It's good. All right, guys. I hope you've enjoyed all of the gems that she has shared with us. And here's the takeaways leave room. Think about your dessert you leave room for the whipped cream on and the cherry on top. You just gotta leave room for the best part to come. So as always, website do I found here.com comments, comments, comments, Apple Spotify, anywhere? You hear your pods? Yes, five stars. If you think that's less, you must keep walking. Do not even touch your keyboard. No, no. fivestars Thank you. And love, love your support. Love your comments, and just the whole journey. I mean, we're into springtime here in New York. I love it's the beginning of all new growth ready to come and we've got a great lineup for you guys, as always, till next week, be well.
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