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Hey, I'm Jon.
And I'm Becky.
And this is the We Are For Good podcast.
Nonprofits are faced with more challenges to accomplish their missions and the growing pressure to do more, raise more and be more for the causes that improve our world.
We're here to learn with you from some of the best in the industry, bringing the most innovative ideas, inspirational stories, all to create an impact uprising.
So welcome to the good community. We're nonprofit professionals, philanthropists, world changers and rabid fans who are striving to bring a little more goodness into the world.
So let's get started. Becky, I'm so glad this day is here.
I am buzzing with excitement to introduce our guests to our community.
I mean, we've kind of been building to this moment, because we've talked a lot about giving circles on the podcast, and I hope it's just opened up your heart and mind for what's possible, not just in philanthropy outside the walls that we often talk about trying to garner donations, but in our own hearts and how we structure our own personal giving back around the values that hold most to us and community. And we've just got the torchbearer of this entire movement right here. In our midst. It's my sincere honor to introduce you to Sara Lomelin. She is the founding CEO of Philanthropy Together. And she like exists to diversify and democratize philanthropy through the power of giving circles. And if you've listened to the podcast much, you know, we had Kyson Bunthuwong on the podcast a couple of times now.
Hi Kyson.
He is like the evangelist for this as well. And he's taught us a lot about these principles. But I'm excited for Sara to kind of put her lens as we look at what is the future of collective giving. And we want to talk about that today. But let me just give you a little bit of background on Sara. She is a connector of people ideas. She's a relationship builder and a firm believer that anybody can be a philanthropist. She's, I've mentioned she's the CO founding CEO of Philanthropy Together. But before that, she had this really incredible career. She was the senior director of leadership at ACCION Opportunity Fund and the VP of philanthropy at the Latino Community Foundation, where she created the Latino giving circle network, which is the largest network of Latinx philanthropist in the US. She's also served as she serves as the National Council of Women's Philanthropy Institute at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. We all heard of I've heard of that, and the board of directors for Giving Tuesday in this incredible organization, Battery Powered, which we need to talk about battery powered OS, because we're so impressed, amazing. But Sara recently took the stage at the International TED conference, and just put a stake in the ground around collective giving. And we're really excited. We've not yet seen the talk yet, because it's not yet been released as the day of this recording. But I want to pull a quote that I found of something that she mentioned, and then we're going to kick it to her to fill in her story. But she said, you know, giving by for and with the communities we represent is the future of philanthropy. And each and every one of us belong in this movement. I mean, what an incredible conversation that we are so honored to have today. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for being here.
Thank you so much for having me, Jon. And Becky, you know, I'm a big fan. And I know Kyson had an amazing time full time that he was with you. And I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
It's a we truly mean this. It's a huge honor to just share space with you today. So would you take us back to your growing up? I know you grew up in Mexico City, but also just kind of curious through your journey. What gets you really passionate about this cause and catch us up to where you're at today?
Yeah, as you know, I was born and raised in Mexico City. Very happy childhood. I have three brothers younger than me. I come from a very big family. My dad is the second of 13, big large Catholic family in Mexico City. And since you know I think it's middle school, that throughout you know the school and my family there was always these instilled in our in my three brothers and I to give back to the community to volunteer to give your time to give your skills to do something. And I moved to the US in 2001 was 26 years ago, and I completely change my career because my I don't come from the nonprofit world. I studied communications before they Internet if people in the audience kind of
Hard to imagine.
I'm telling you my age right there. And I started like You know, in the corporate world, and a few years ago, about 12 years ago, after leaving in San Francisco, and then leaving eight years in Dallas, Texas, going back to the Bay Area, I completely reinvented myself and started working in philanthropy.
Wow, I mean that I just think our stories inform the humans that we become and the things that are most passionate to us, like, just notice your face, like in the way that it lights up when you talk about your brothers. And I can tell your family is very special to you. Which makes sense because giving circles are like family giving, it is truly about like I'm Italian allah familia, like it's about everything is about the family, and how did you democratize the process so that everyone has a piece in pushing something meaningful for it, and I just, we love you guys over at Philanthropy Together, just because you've taught us so much about giving circles and the power of collective giving. And Julie has, you know, is our unicorn producer, but she stands on this, that everybody can become a philanthropist, even somebody that's at the Gen Z level, and they're heartwired for it. So I kind of want to talk a little bit about this evolution of collective giving and giving circles, can you walk us through some of the history and and how this even came to be?
Totally, totally. And and then we'll talk about Gen Z because yes, they are
Isn't it fascinating?
Yeah. Well, you know, collective giving, is really people powered philanthropy, right, giving circles are people powered philanthropy, it's groups of individuals that come together to support the community, a cause or another individual. There are many, many forms of collective giving, like, you know, crowdfunding, mutual aid societies, that we saw a lot of them, you know, flourishing during COVID, giving days, like Giving Tuesday, issue funds, fundraising societies and giving circles. So what is unique about giving circles, is individuals gather, they discuss their values, or their individual values, their values as a group, and issues in the community, they poll their dollars and collectively decide where to give the funds. So that's the difference between giving circles and all other types of collective giving. And, of course, you know, collective giving is not new, and is not American, right? This type of community, you know, community, philanthropy has been going on, in communities around the world for many, many, many generations. And it's kind of going back to the roots of the word love of humanity, where everybody can completely participate and take action into supporting their local communities or the community at large. There are many different kinds of models. I mean, they're not strict giving circles around the world. But for example, you know, the Su Su model in with origins throughout Africa and its diaspora. In Mexico, we have something called Dundas, which is a little bit like a giving circle. And, you know, like mutual aid societies that started in the Black communities in the 17 countries, so the giving circle as we know it right now, they're kind of fairly new, and when the movement started getting more, kind of the spotlight was in the early 80s. So the labs research that we have about giving circles was done in 2017 by the Collective Giving Research Group, and they saw that moment that they were were about 1600 giving circles operating in the US, and that in the past 20 years had giving out $1.3 billion.
Wow, that's an impact.
Yeah, because you know, a lot of people think about oh collected giving giving circles, such as small groups of people giving small dollars and yeah, that may be the case of some, but when you aggregate all of us all the giving circles working together, the amount of money and the impact that giving circles are having at the global level is huge.
Well, okay, I mean, what a case, what momentum and what storied history like this whole thing is built upon I love that so much. Would you kind of catch us up to the part of your story about Philanthropy Together? Because from our seat, you know, we're a toddler company that came about in the pandemic, you know, with people that had hearts for this same kind of building yet the exact same time and I just stepped back and I'm like, the we summit the childhood on that has galvanized 1000s of people in pouring into deep calm Are stations and he's giving movements and we've met in our community Faith Boettger, who's running a giving circle and who is an evangelist, what you're doing. And it's like, I just see the impact and the movement that you've built. And it just, I have offered that to so tell us a little bit of that story unpack, like, how did Philanthropy Together come about? And kind of the formation because I'm just so fascinated?
Well, you know, it's an amazing story, because we are the brainchild of more than 100 people. So during my years at the Latino Community Foundation, I got connected with other leaders of other networks have giving circles, half of the giving circles that exist in the US, maybe more than half are part of networks have giving circles, and you have different networks, like there are a couple of big women networks, they are faith based networks, like you know, Muslim, a Muslim network, a Jewish network of giving circles their ethnicity based network, so the AAPI community, the black community, the Latino community, etc, etc. So during those years, a few women got connected. And you know, we will like touching base every couple of months, how are you doing? Where are you doing, et cetera, et cetera. And back in 2017, at the beginning of the year, I got a call from the leader of amplifier, a network of giving circles based on Jewish values in New York. And she said, Hey, we are here at the Women's philanthropy Institute conference. And we just realized that there's nothing like this for the giving circle movement, there is not a place for us to convene as a giving circle members giving circle leaders just to share ideas. So what do you think about getting together at the end of the year with a group of people and just you know, have two days of brainstorming? And I said, count me, so end of 2017, you got, you know, about, we're like about 40 to 50 people in Michigan, in November, it was pretty cold. Because we had just a little tiny money to get together, and just, you know, sharing ideas. And during those two days, we went to the Gates Foundation, and we said, we need something but we don't know yet what we need as a movement, right? We don't know if we need a website. We don't know if we need just to have an annual conference. We need to create an organization. We don't know what we need, we would love to engage in a full year of a codesign project. So Victoria, Brianna from the Gates Foundation was extremely generous. And she said yes, so here's a challenge grant, you go and fundraise more get, you know the rest of the grant, but do it. So that year, we the core team of five. So we were the Community Investment Network, a network of black and people of color giving circles in the south, led by Marsha Morgan, fill in US Women's giving circle network, led by Paula Liang at that time amplifier that was led by Lisa Fisher had the amazing Halle leave from the Asian Women's giving circle. And myself I was representing the Latino voice. And we have this amazing facilitator and consultant ISIS Kraus, we embarked into this CO design project. But we involve more than 100 people in you know, pure giving circle mode. We wanted to be very collaborative, very transparent and bring you know everybody's voices. So we had, I mean, we laugh now but we had hundreds of zoom hours before zoom was even before Zune was popular. We should have bought stock. But we got you know, working groups, we ended up at the Gates Foundation with a room full of post it notes. And, and at the end of that year, we came back to the Gates Foundation. And we said, here's the plan. We want to have a five year initiative to support strengthen, and you know, just scale the American giving circle movement. So we officially launched in April of 2020 April 1, so right you know, in the middle of COVID. And a couple of months later we realized we were not only supporting the US giving circle movement, but the global movement and that was you know a little bit of a silver lining from the from COVID Because people from All, for many other countries were reaching out to us, because they wanted to start getting circles.
I just wished that I could have packed myself into your suitcase and gone with you to Michigan. Because, wow, I mean, the representation is fantastic. It just feels like everyone can be seen in this way. And anytime you talk about building something from the bottom up, this is what we believe in, we do not we believe in an inverted donor pyramid that starts from powering a base all the way up. And that's what I think is just the magic of giving circles. And Jon, you're you'll remember this, but I remember us even when we were kicking off an employee giving campaign in our hospital Foundation, back in the day, we had like, we inadvertently created a little giving circle of people that we said, hey, can you give just $5 per pay period, you know, and we're going to amass all of that, and we're going to see what happens with it. Well, you know, $160,000 later, someone really feels like their $5 really went the distance. And the community feeling of that is so effervescent, and magnetic, and you want to replicate it again and again. And that's what I think the secret sauce is giving. And so I want you to just tell all of our nonprofit listeners out there, like what opportunities exist for nonprofits today and leveraging collective giving?
Yes, no, this is a great question and something that you touched upon, right? Like this whole, you know, total happiness and joy that giving gives you a right, that the as you said, you want to replicate the do you want to do it again. Because of course when you give $5 But that night, you give $50,000 or $160,000, you go, you know, and tell your partner or your kids or your friends, I just gave $160,000 Move on, say I just gave $5 No, you are part of this collective of beasts impact. So something very important in a giving circle is that the power dynamics get broken and get blurred. And that is incredible, because Because giving circles, you know, become Thiet funders for a lot of very small grassroots nonprofits. Right? You know, those nonprofits that cannot, you know, they're not going to get a grant from a big Foundation, because they're too small, right? Because maybe their volunteer round, because maybe they have one or two staff. And they don't have the capacity to have a grant writer to be you know, writing these 15 Page proposals with outputs and, you know, theory of changes and a bunch of stuff. Giving circles because their close proximity to the community, we create real relationships. You're going to listen on the on the TED talk, but something that is instilled in me from my days, I'd like to Community Foundation is in giving circles we give as you would give to a loved one. You look people in the eyes, is family is not you are the one receiving them the one giving no, we're all one we're part of the same community. So for for us in giving circles, nonprofit leaders are the ones that are closest to community issues. They are the ones that know what their community needs. So a giving circle member giving circle leader has to step back, you know, the nonprofit is giving us the opportunity to be part of their impact. So we I always tell you know, giving circle members, human circle leaders, like be the tool to get the funding to the nonprofits don't come and dictate what they need to do because we as donors, we don't know anything. I mean, we don't know what the community needs. The nonprofit leader knows, you know, where the funds are most needed. So I think the way nonprofit leaders can connect with giving circles is by continually doing the work in the local communities connecting with different stakeholders, right? You never know where you are going to meet the new big ambassador and advocate for your organization because, again, for all the nonprofit leaders listening to us, giving circle members are not your regular donors. Giving circle members are not going to be just okay just writing the cheque and sending it or just clicking a donate button that above them. They want to elevate your message they want to advocate Are you they will become your biggest and stronger, stronger ambassadors, right? They will become that pipeline of board members at some point those you know big champions of your organization's so offering as a nonprofit leader if you can offer volunteer opportunities, but not you know, the typical volunteer opportunity of calm and you know, help us put together the Thanksgiving meal. So I mean, I'm not saying that that is not useful because it is, but think outside the box, what does your organization really needs? Do you need a marketer to you need a lawyer to you need, you know, financial skills, like involve the members of your community in that. And also you know, giving circle as I was saying, like giving circles are a source of funding for me for for many small nonprofits. So it's like you're building this community with giving circle members, you're reaching more individuals that may support your organization in a in a deeper level.
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I mean, how could we not just be so magnetic to this, I mean, to have a group of people that are like minded, that have their values, we call them believers, we call them believers because we don't think the end goal is just to get a donor that's so transactional like, but if you get a believer who has those legal skills, or they have the contacts, or they have the social media following to create a movement, like there's so much more to come to the table here. And so that's why we always talk about it. I love that you're leading us deeper into this because what an opportunity. And I think the opportunity also lies in the future of giving. We've already alluded to it Gen Z is fascinating in the generation Alpha coming afterwards is even more fascinating, I think of just the empathy levels are off the charts, the understanding the equality, that just kind of baked into how they show up in the world seems to fit with this movement, you're describing what you talk about paint a picture for how do you see giving circles being part of this future of collective giving? With Yes, generation?
Totally, I think, you know, it's very exciting, that across philanthropy, major donors are becoming more diverse, right. And this is a total win because as a field, we are stronger, right? Because we can look past our differences in viewpoints and ideas and come together around a shared desire to make social change happen. And this is, you know, it's so key right now, with everything that is happening in the world. Again, you know, one big part of giving circles are creating the sense of belonging, right. The second part is opening a space for discourse, we need to be able to hear different perspectives. And in a giving circle, you know, you have people that are together because of their shared values, but their backgrounds, they may not you know, they may not agree in many, many different things, but they are open to hear different perspectives and to open for this. So, I feel that having a more diverse set of donors is extremely important. Same you know, with young people, the younger generation are not happy just to donate, they want to go all in they want to give all in and you know, when giving circle, lingo we always said like giving your five T's right, you give your time, your talent, your treasure, your testimony on your ties. And as Jon as you said, your testimony your story, sharing your story is extremely important. And your ties all of us are part of many different NET works your family, your alma mater, your office, your neighborhoods. So by opening those networks to the call centers, the nonprofit's the initiatives that you support, you can have a much larger impact than by just donating your, your money. So what we do at Philanthropy Together and maybe I don't know if case on mentioned this last time, is we train community leaders to start giving circles right through launchpad for you. Since we started the program in June 2020, we have trained more than 400 leaders. And roughly you know, there are about 79% Women 54% people of color. And we have seen that many young people teenagers are, you know, starting their giving circles, because, again, it's something that apart from everything. It's fun, right? You're with your friends you were having. I mean, Lili, she fixed team, and she's in Arizona, and she has a giving circle with more than 180 teenagers.
And podcast right now, can we?
Yes, I am going home. Because she is unbelievable. And that's faith. She is really straining things she has now six different groups of teenagers that she's training to in New York, one here in the Bay Area. I think a couple in Chicago, I think one in Florida, have teenagers that wants to start their groups. Because the amazing here, part here and this is something that is beautiful about giving circles, you create your own rules. They're not written rules. So for example, in the case of Lily's group, every time they meet, there's food there's there's a DJ, right because it has to be you know,
it's fun, fun back to the joy of giving again, back to the joy.
Yes, Becky, you that is so it's, you know, important because I mean, the issues in our community are huge and overwhelming. But that doesn't mean that giving cannot be joyful, right? Giving should be joyful, because it's, it is joyful.
I mean, I just think about this is this is something that I hope is shifting your minds friends, because I really think we've been taught to think about the donor, the Almighty donor, and, and whoever that person is sitting at the top of the pyramid, you know, I would see them just sitting with their legs hanging over swinging. The one donor that we're trying to cultivate, and this is a different mindset. This is about not looking at donors, donations singularly, again, any longer. The new modern fundraising is it's about giving, it's about network. It's about influence. It's about story. It's about amplification, it's everybody has something to bring to the modern day giving, and philanthropy movement. And so and I just think you're giving circle donors are your most pure, they really want to be there. They really want to have their voice in it. They really want to lock arms, with their friends and do it together. I just think we had that incredible conversation with Nancy Brinker last season talking about how she founded Susan G. Komen. And her original dream was about seeing women dressed in pink running with sorts, arm and arm. And to me that is the metaphor of all of this is that we can all collectively do something and gosh, it feels so much better to do that in community. I just love what you're saying, Sara, and I just think that along that community is everything. Trent talk to us about how you've witnessed the convergence of community and philanthropy that has deepening this impact and democratizing this kind of philanthropy in your world.
Yeah, don't vacate this, this is so powerful because you know, you touched on something super important. Giving circles are many labs of civic engagement, like literally our you know, these incubators of civic engagement. People that get that are part of a giving circle, just because of the model they are more aware of what is going on around them around their community. Once you know the issues and the challenges, you cannot go back you cannot just you know cover your ears and said oh my god, I didn't know this. I'm not going to unseen it or on on hear it right. You become aware and you have to do something. So we have seen over the years that people that participate in giving circles as the very first door into philanthropy very first time that they are they give suddenly, you know, they're, you know, joining their PTO. They are joining their, you know, the neighborhood association, they're running for office, they are becoming board members in nonprofits. I mean, it is huge is, you know, it's, it's important for our democracy, it's important for our country to have people that are more inclined and open to support the community. I mean, giving that, you know, we were saying like, giving circle members participate in many different parts of civic, civic life, right. And also, because giving circles are outside of traditional philanthropy, and because we're everyday givers, we shattered this system. Again, it's not top down. We serve communities directly. And we feel the funding gaps that exist, because I don't know I mean, of course, our audience are nonprofits. So you know, that only 8% of philanthropic dollars go to communities of color, and only 1.9% goes to women and girls. And point 3% Go to the LGBT community. So
unless Yeah, 1% to Latinx, we've had this conversation, too,
yes. So we can change that. Because we, you know, in our, in our local communities, can change those numbers. And imagine, you know, if at some point, they're, they're giving circles in every single neighborhood, every single local community, the power that this could have,
you were like, reflecting the values we want to see in the world back at us. And we call it an impact uprising, because we believe the power of philanthropy, being involved in that process changes people and your description of how it involves people more civically is so beautiful, and it's so comprehensive and beyond what I've dreamed before this moment, so thank you for that. I'm wondering, like practically speaking, what do you see in terms of what happens after, after the gift is made? And how are nonprofits engaging with storytelling impact back to these giving circles? Because you got a lot of people on the line here, and we want to create an incredible stewardship experience for these RABID FAN believers of our missions?
Yes, so you know, again, it's all about relationships, right? You mentioned we we cannot be transactional. And I think it's, it's, it's that is changing that mindset. I always say that, you know, I work in fundraising for many years, you can make anyone to give to your organization once, but making that person giving a second time. That's the tricky part. Yeah. Because that means that person is passionate about your cause, about your organization, and that you created a relationship and that person feels seen by you. And it goes both ways. So it's all about relationships. You know, there are many community foundations that host giving circles. And we always said, you know, you have to think about why do you want to have good circles is this just because you want to have more donors, or more diverse donors don't do it. If this is to strengthen the ecosystem around your organization, do it. But you have to treat each giving circle member as a major donor, even if that giving circle member is getting $5 a month. But the potential you're doing this for the long for the long haul, right? Especially, you know, we were talking about Gen Z, younger donors, you want those younger donors that are you know, being part of giving circles now to keep engaging in philanthropy keep engaging in your with your organization for many, many years. So what happens when someone gets a gift, there are five elements right to a giving circle first, you know, you gather you discuss your interests and values, you decide where to give the poor gift you give. And then the fifth, the fifth part is engagement, right? They beyond the dollars. So we we can seen how nonprofits create these deep relationships with their giving circle members by inviting them, you know, to different events, again, to create this pipeline of board members, committee members that said,
I'm sitting here just amazed and I know Jon and Julie are two because you have literally almost verbatim read back at least six So if our core values of our company out of our eight back to us, and if everyone matters is our first one and community is everything is our last one you've hit, you know, four or five in between there too. But I just think this is a different way to look at the world. And if I'm going to put a pro tip in here at all, my question would be to your nonprofit worker, what is your onboarding look like? For a new donor? Do you have a plan in place for this? And I will tell you there is very simple, very cheap and sometimes free tech out there that can help automate this for you. I mean, an onboarding welcoming series, you know, on email would be great. If you could find a way to just shout out people on social media, how are you gathering story there, to me just like as a storyteller, this entire movement is so rich was story, everyone is going to have a different bent on why they think this is important, why it does tell with their values, with their lived experience with their family with their heart. So I just think this is a different way to look at the world. And I am telling you, you are on fire for Sara and I am here for it, we are drinking all of this kool aid because we want this to be the new norm. And you know, I can't talk about storytelling without kind of just giving you the microphone because we believe storytelling can change just about everything in a relationship. When somebody gets to hear the heart of someone who has a lived experience. Do you have a moment of philanthropy that has really profoundly changed you and your life that you might share with us today? Oh,
my God, I have. So so many, so many. I
mean, with all the answers, okay, one.
I know. And I'm not going to share the one that I shared in the TED talk, because I you know, there will be the hook for all of you to listen to the TED Talk. But I have one that one of the giving circles that I manage at the Latino Community Foundation was the Latinos in tech giving struggle. And one year, the group was giving a grant to a small organization that was created by a former tech leader. And he created these after school program for elementary school Latinos in element in second and third grade that I need was about, you know, reading and math, because he saw that, you know, kids are, were lagging behind from that age, right? So anyway, he had an amazing, a retired, you know, engineer working in tech, he started this organization, he got the grant from the Latinos in tech. And literally, he had tears in his eyes. And he said, and it was not as it was not a huge grant, I think it was maybe $10,000. And he said, This grant is a lot more significant and important for my organization than, you know, the grant the $100,000 that we just got from Google a couple of weeks ago. Why? Because it's my community, is my community validating me, right and validating the work that I'm doing, because it's a group of Latinos validating that group, that work of a Latino nonprofit leader. And he called me the day after, and he said, Sara, can I become a member of Latinos in tech? I know, I'm a former, you know, engineer. And he joined as a donor. So he was and we have seen so many times these that it comes full circle, because as you said, Becky, you want to replicate you want to do it again. Right. So that is just one of many stories that I have.
And the alumni, the I mean, there's a million names for this alumni, grateful patient. You know, we call them rabid fans, like the people who will not let your missions fail. Because they are so deeply passionate about the work you're doing. That is your secret sauce, people that will give you not only the dollars, but they will give you the content. They will give you the network, they will give you the amplification, they will give you everything find your believers and your rabid fans, it's game changing.
Yeah. It's just and it like exemplifies your mission like it like actually storytellers it even further and deeper as more people come in. Goodness, I don't want this conversation to end we're coming in with our last question is, we asked everybody what's your one good thing like what's a piece of advice, a mantra, a hack that you can leave with our community today?
Never assume, never assume who can give and who cannot give? Because, you know, a Filipina Latinos, the black Community, diverse communities, Native American communities, we have always been seen as recipients of philanthropy, and not as philanthropist. And it's time to change that. So never assume who can give and who cannot give. Take the time to breathe and relationships with your donors with any person that gets into the door. And by door, I'm also talking about your email inbox, or your social media, your website, engage with people get to know their stories, get to know what moves them, because that may surprise you, you know, people that you think were going to give to your organization won't. And people that you thought that they didn't have the capacity to give may surprise you by becoming big major donors, and you never knew about it. So, yeah, don't assume.
You know, when I was reading a recap of your TED Talk, this person called you a philanthropy disruptor. And we love disruptors, but I'm like, I feel like you're bringing us back to what philanthropy is all about, you know, like, you're bringing us back to the heart of it. And it feels right, and it feels in alignment, and it feels inclusive. And so I am just standing over here, you've got the biggest rabid fans and just want to champion everything that you're doing. Thank you so much.
I mean, how can people connect with you? How can they connect with Philanthropy Together? How could they start a giving circle? Where could they go for resources, give us all the tips, and we're going to load up our show notes with all of these links?
Also, no, no, I love this. So you guys can go onto our website, philanthropytogether.org, or social media channels at feel underscore together on Twitter, and add Philanthropy Together everywhere else. We have our giving circle incubator if you want to start your own giving circle, so launchpad for you, and we give the program several times a year. Actually, we have you know, a three hour program a 90 minute program, a five week program, or check out the global giving circle directory, right? Just plug your zip code, it's some It's on our website. But giving, the global giving circle directory, you can put your your zip code or an issue area that you care about, and you will find the human circle near you.
Okay, friends, I hope you have pulled over your car and you're looking this up or you're stopping washing dishes like this is something we can all pour into. And I thank you so much for creating these resources in their beautiful, like, go to Philanthropy Together and just get lost in the stories and the knowledge that's being shared in the heart. So this is kind of filled my cup. Thank you so much for this time. It's been incredible. I think
we need to create a giving circle it We Are For Good. Can you imagine what it could do?
Let's do it down. Let's do that. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Let's
do one. I'm throwing it out into the universe. And I'm pretty sure it was Jon's idea. And then I'm reaching out on
my own. We've got to start a circle. Gosh, it
is it. We want to see we want to be a part of this social experiment. And I just think with Philanthropy Together guiding us Sara at the helm. She's about to just rip open this story and your TED Talk. I mean, we're just rooting for you. Thank you for coming in to teach us and just getting us completely jazz, about the future of collective giving.
No, thank you guys so much for having me. And I love your podcast I love you know, the the vibe, the energy, the enthusiasm and the kindness because it's, you know, you can feel it. So thank you for everything that you do. It's our
joy to do it. So, thank you. Thanks, friends.
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