Well, you know, it's an amazing story, because we are the brainchild of more than 100 people. So during my years at the Latino Community Foundation, I got connected with other leaders of other networks have giving circles, half of the giving circles that exist in the US, maybe more than half are part of networks have giving circles, and you have different networks, like there are a couple of big women networks, they are faith based networks, like you know, Muslim, a Muslim network, a Jewish network of giving circles their ethnicity based network, so the AAPI community, the black community, the Latino community, etc, etc. So during those years, a few women got connected. And you know, we will like touching base every couple of months, how are you doing? Where are you doing, et cetera, et cetera. And back in 2017, at the beginning of the year, I got a call from the leader of amplifier, a network of giving circles based on Jewish values in New York. And she said, Hey, we are here at the Women's philanthropy Institute conference. And we just realized that there's nothing like this for the giving circle movement, there is not a place for us to convene as a giving circle members giving circle leaders just to share ideas. So what do you think about getting together at the end of the year with a group of people and just you know, have two days of brainstorming? And I said, count me, so end of 2017, you got, you know, about, we're like about 40 to 50 people in Michigan, in November, it was pretty cold. Because we had just a little tiny money to get together, and just, you know, sharing ideas. And during those two days, we went to the Gates Foundation, and we said, we need something but we don't know yet what we need as a movement, right? We don't know if we need a website. We don't know if we need just to have an annual conference. We need to create an organization. We don't know what we need, we would love to engage in a full year of a codesign project. So Victoria, Brianna from the Gates Foundation was extremely generous. And she said yes, so here's a challenge grant, you go and fundraise more get, you know the rest of the grant, but do it. So that year, we the core team of five. So we were the Community Investment Network, a network of black and people of color giving circles in the south, led by Marsha Morgan, fill in US Women's giving circle network, led by Paula Liang at that time amplifier that was led by Lisa Fisher had the amazing Halle leave from the Asian Women's giving circle. And myself I was representing the Latino voice. And we have this amazing facilitator and consultant ISIS Kraus, we embarked into this CO design project. But we involve more than 100 people in you know, pure giving circle mode. We wanted to be very collaborative, very transparent and bring you know everybody's voices. So we had, I mean, we laugh now but we had hundreds of zoom hours before zoom was even before Zune was popular. We should have bought stock. But we got you know, working groups, we ended up at the Gates Foundation with a room full of post it notes. And, and at the end of that year, we came back to the Gates Foundation. And we said, here's the plan. We want to have a five year initiative to support strengthen, and you know, just scale the American giving circle movement. So we officially launched in April of 2020 April 1, so right you know, in the middle of COVID. And a couple of months later we realized we were not only supporting the US giving circle movement, but the global movement and that was you know a little bit of a silver lining from the from COVID Because people from All, for many other countries were reaching out to us, because they wanted to start getting circles.