so in a lot of ways, I'm unfortunate because of what happened to me. What drew that same situation, I have become very fortunate. Right. And so to explain that better is number one, starting with my mother, I have an amazing mother who never gave up on me. I mean, how could she and I remember getting on the phone one time and speaking to my mother and she was like JJ, we figured it out. And I'm like, What are you talking about? She said, you remember that conversation we had the day before your father's birthday? Because what happened was my father died April 17 1997. So the crime happened January 27 1998. And so on James January two Want to eighth is my father's birthday. And it was always a big thing for us, like as a family, like my father was the influence in our family, right? Like, you know, and even though my mother and father was separated, my father did his best to try to keep the family together, it was a big thing for him. And so I had lost my father my freedom, 10 months apart, but this would be the first birthday, that we wouldn't be able to celebrate with my father. So what I did in, in his spirit and memory was I invited everybody to his apartment, which was, you know, when my stepmother and my brother were living, to just kind of be together in that moment, right, and just to remember him, because our father said, Don't grieve me when I die. Remember me remember the good times, I tried to recreate what my father my father's legacy in terms of our family. And so I was on the phone with a lot of different people that day, but particularly, my mother and I had shared a 74 minute conversation, that 74 minute conversation happened to be my alibi. And, you know, like, the DA would say, well, well, why didn't you know it right away. And the truth of the matter is, is that we don't remember, in that way, we don't we like a regular day is a regular date. If something significant happens in a day, we'll remember that moment. You know, and even that can sometimes be foggy, like, and I know that personally, because of all the research I've had to do on memory in terms of eyewitness identification, and eye witness Miss identification, in terms of, you know, bringing sound cohesive arguments to the court on my own behalf. And so we were talking about redefining community, right. And so, in SingSing, I can't put a number on it. But I've met a lot of great people. In that particular facility, I've met great people in prison, period, like, one thing I always try to advise people or at least inform individuals and make them aware is that if you were to go into a prison, you're going to meet good people who made bad choices. That's not to say that there are not bad people in prison. There are bad people who do not want to change the choices that they make. But it's important to understand that that change can happen with something as simple as a choice. So I got together with 10 Guys in that facility. And we were all of like mine, and we will all try to do the same thing. And so initially, we had created a group called forgotten voices, where we had sent a letter out to every religious denomination, every organization, every program that was positive, and said, We want a representative from each group, to come sit at the table. And we want to have a discussion about how we can make our situation better. How do we reinvent our circumstances? Right? And how do we band together to become a strong voice that can sit down and speak with legislature legislators and other, you know, dignitaries that may be able to help us change the climate in corrections period. Right. And so we started that, that that process in 2009. And then we started to get traction because senators were coming in to see us assembly people were starting to come to see us. And you know, all this time, you have to realize that I knew Dan slippy and since 2002, that's where the journey began with, you know, in terms of you asked me about hope, Dan was my hope. My mother was my hope. My children was my hope, like, everything was about getting back home to my family. But they were my hope, then slepping was my hope. The group that we put together, initially was about 17 individuals. And then eventually, Dan got involved and was like, Listen, I love the stuff that you were doing in there. I think that we need to capture some of that, or if I can even just be a part of it. You know, and so eventually he got involved in we did this short video, it was a seven half minute short film, based on, you know, choices and consequences based on gun violence to try to deter the youth from engaging in gun violence in New York City, and eventually all over the world when we wanted to have an immediate impact in our communities first, and so we became voices from within at that point. We set out to redefine what it means to pay a debt to society. Right? And I've often had this conversation with a lot of individuals who know me personally, who know my story that would say, like, why are you setting out to pay a debt to society, society has a debt to pay you. Because when I'm thinking friend, yeah, well, I'm glad that you do. But I hope that you will also understand this, we all have a debt to pay to each other, because society is comprised of the humanity that exists in this world. And it's important as part of our debt, to treat each other with human dignity, to help empower each other and to put people in a better place in life. And so I started to get on a mission to start looking at situations and redefining what really matters, right. So, of course, it matters that I've been through a lot of trauma that I was incarcerated for so many years in law, so many years of my freedom in my life and my ability to be a contributing member to society and my family, of course, that that does matter. But what I have learned, and I did this in my TED talk is, it's it's not so much what happens to us that matters. It's how we respond to what happens to us, that really matters, right. And so this is my response, the work that I'm doing now, the work that I was doing inside. And I think that that matters more than what I had to go through to become that individual. That's my personal perspective. But it's the perspective that has led me to continue doing the work that I do. 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