EP 226 Supercharge Your Energy, Focus and Flow - with Mr Noots - Part 1

12:43PM Mar 10, 2023

Speakers:

Angela Foster

Mr Noots

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We need to look at at detoxifying naturally and organically leveraging our own our body's own detoxification process so that we can get to the same levels of clarity that we had when we were eight years old.

I've rands Happy Friday, it's got that weekend feeling and also it's feeling very springy, like I think at the moment, I don't know if you've noticed this, but I'm really enjoying the fact that it is getting lighter earlier in the morning. So when I leave the gym, now, Sunrise is there and I always love to see a good sunrise. And it's also getting stained lighter should I say in the evenings, which has given me a little bit more flexibility around when to walk my dogs, I have to say I do think October through March is the hardest times where you kind of only have very short daylight hours and let's face it in the UK, a lot of those are wet, so fair to very muddy dogs, with a lot of grooming going on. I'm very grateful to our local groomers and that kind of blueberry facials and things that they do for my my little pooch and on my Labrador. Anyways, enough of me waffling on, this is a great time to really be working on optimising your circadian rhythm, getting outside in that sunlight early in the day. And also again, at the end of the day. So when the sun has that low solar angle, when it's rising, and when it's setting, really, really can help you with sleep optimization, and your performance. And sleep really is the foundation of optimal health. At all this month in the female bio hacker collective we are focusing on sleep and different sleep hacks and how to how to solve problems like what if I can't sleep? What if I wake up during the night? How can I get back to sleep? What things can I do if I'm struggling from a hormonal perspective, so sleep is sweet. And we are definitely focusing on that. But we're also in the next few weeks in these podcast episodes gonna be talking about the health of your brain and how you can enhance productivity and flow states and specifically what kind of compounds you can take to help enhance neurotransmitter function, but in a safe way that doesn't then deplete you.

I think Dr. Carl Geller has one of the best analogies in so far as how dopamine works, when he talks about it being like a kind of reservoir within a wave pool. And if the levels go too high, and you stimulate too much with too much caffeine, too many nootropics and things like that, and layer in different stacks where you might have caffeine, some nootropics some music, actually you can then deplete the pool and then it requires more recovery. And that's not what we want, we want to kind of optimise without depleting too much and so I'm really excited because in today's episode, it is part one, where we dive into the different compounds you can take to really optimise the health of your brain. With Mark Effinger, also known as Mr. Noots. Mr Noots is the Chief Product Officer at Nootopia, some nootropic supplements that I really enjoy taking. He went from building a radio at five years old to then building a helium neon laser from scratch before he turned 10. He is like way deep into science, chemistry, and physics. They've always been a strong passion for him. And he dove deep into brain enhancing supplements and has created one of the most effective brain and mood enhancing formulas. And he's now gone on to be Chief Product Officer at Nootopia. And he's completely devoted to optimising brains and minds around the world. And he has a wealth of knowledge. So this is part one. In part two. Once you've got this kind of basic overwhelm, it's not really basic. It's quite a detailed overview. In part two, we then dive into how you can use different stacks for different situations. So for example, what stack would you use for a workout what might you use before sleep? What might you use for a session where you want to be really productive and enter into flow? And also what can you take to really enhance your meditation sessions or breath work so that is to follow but in part one today, let's give you a kind of whistlestop store of the brain, how it works and what compounds can really help you focus so without further delay, let me introduce you now to Mr Noots himself. So Mr. Noots this has been a long awaited I've been talking about this in my membership on my socials. Everyone's very excited. I'm extremely excited to have you here today. Firstly, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much, Angela. I really look forward to it. In fact, our pre roll has been one of the one of the most fun pre rolls I've had

to I think I had we had to start recording because you were just sharing so much incredible stuff that I thought we've got to air all of this. Where can we start? I think the best place to Start given that we're going to be diving into nootropics. Today is can you kind of summarise for people when they're trying to increase their productivity, flow state relaxation, there are different neurotransmitters at play, I think probably the best place before we dive into the detail on how to use various different ingredients and things is what are the key neurotransmitters that we need to be thinking about and what the function of each other?

That's great. So, so we're going to deal with is that the key neurotransmitters that most people can modulate, and that, that your your diet, your exercise, and other factors are going to come into play are going to be things like adrenaline and noradrenaline, right, which are our our motivation, energy, focus, intensity, drive, fight or flight. There are so it's called a sympathetic component, right neurotransmitter, then you've got things like dopamine, which is reward, and motivation and drive was very, very important. And anybody that's used Adderall or has gotten an A MDMA, scroll has experienced experience that at a high level, you've got acetylcholine, which is your memory and thinking like, and it's really critical. For that process. If you don't have enough acetylcholine, you're going to be, you're not going to have words come to you very fluently. So verbal fluency is going to fail, you're also not going to be able to remember things. If you have too much of it, you're going to end if you have too little of it, if you suck it out of your system to quickly, which can happen with certain formulations that aren't done right, you'll actually get a headache because it starts to pull the choline from the muscles in your neck and in your traps. And you'll get this muscle tightness that results. You think it's a headache. It's actually a neck ache, but it does feel like a headache,

I get a lot of neck ache and tightness. Funnily enough,

let's get you some acetylcholine source. Interesting. What's your it's really important and a lot of people don't think about that if you have too much, you're gonna get foggy, you're gonna get brain fog, you're gonna be depressed, because all kinds of problems which leads us to serotonin, which people think of it as the anti depression because selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, are kind of a massive amount of vectors. I think that there's 44 million subscriptions in the US alone are prescriptions for for SSRS. pretty massive and but it's actually a mood stabiliser, and if you take serotonin and dopamine together, then you start getting a lifted mood. And then there's, there's a bunch of other components where, you know, we think of so those are the kind of the four keys you might have anandamide. anandamide is the kind of flow. Yeah, that high pleasure. You know, post orgasmic bliss is full of anandamide activities. So, and that's a in fact, CBD, the cannabinoid receptor in the body is and there's a thing called the FAA H enzyme can CBD oil will or or I should say CBD as a whole will mitigate the F h enzyme in the bloodstream. The FH enzyme is what breaks down the anandamide. So the CBD actually keeps it flowing in the in the receptor. And so you get a higher level of pleasure, you get pain mitigation, and it lasts longer, that pleasure lasts longer. So, again, you know, CBD is not going to make you high, it's not gonna get you high. It's not THC, but it can be extremely valuable for reducing pain receptor activity, and increasing the anandamide levels, which are going to give you a sense of bliss, or happiness or, or pleasure in the activities that you're doing. Which, as you and I were speaking earlier, saying, how do you focus for extended periods of time in a passive state when you're sitting down or something like that. And one of the ways is to increase your pleasure in that moment, so that, you know, the focus can come from that dopaminergic reward system happening. But also it can be enhanced with either GABA activity, the GABA neurotransmitter is your chill. Like when you want to feel chill, you want to want to feel anti stress. That's where GABA comes in. And then you couple it with, let's say a little bit of acetylcholine. So your thinking is on spot, you get the dopamine, so you get the reward system and the drive the motivation to do that thing that is hard. And then you can couple that with a bit of the serotonin and the anandamide, so that you have, again, it's a chorus of instruments, right? It's not it's not an we're not all playing lead guitar. You got to get all of the instruments together and you have to have to play in unison in order for you to feel awesome and to move to do what we call moving from sick to see For him

one of the key things to optimising your hormones is not just to get enough sleep, but quality sleep, and part of that is having a really good evening routine to encourage the release of melatonin. One of the most important things is limiting blue light exposure in the evening. Does that mean you can never work if you need to, or watch your favourite Netflix series? No. But understanding how light and circadian rhythms work allows you to use biohacking to adopt a more ancestral way of living even in modern times. After my evening meal, I put on my blue light blocking glasses for a couple of hours before bed. My favourite blue blockers are from Bonn charge. Bond charge is a holistic wellness brand with a huge range of evidence based products to optimise your life in every way. Founded on science and inspired by nature, all been charged products adopt ancestral ways of living in our modern day world. Their extensive range of premium wellness products help you sleep better, perform better have more energy, recover faster balance hormones, reduce inflammation, the list is endless, and Bong charges glasses are made in optics laboratories in Australia, not mass produced in factories in Asia. And they have stylish frames that have been featured in GQ and Vogue and science backed technology tested to ensure they actually work. Unlike other blue light glass companies. Buying a cheap pair of blue light glasses is a waste of money as they won't work, it's so important to invest in a high quality lens. Since wearing the blue light blocking glasses from bond charge. My sleep is incredible. I am sleeping longer, deeper and feeling refreshed. The next morning, I've been tracking with my HRV device and I get into deep state of recovery during sleep. And the cool thing about one chargers classes is that they come in non prescription prescription and reading options. They also have glasses for every need computer glasses for helping with digital eyestrain. light sensitivity glasses for helping with low mood and migraines, and blue light blocking glasses for improving your sleep. Balm charge also has other amazing products such as low blue light bulbs, red light therapy, devices, EMF, 5g protection, and 100%. Black Out sleep masks all backed by science bond charge also shipped worldwide in rapid time with easy returns and exchanges. And you can save a call 20% off any of their products, go to bond charge.com forward slash Angela and use coupon code Angela to save 20% That's boncharg.com/angela and use coupon code Angela to save 20%. That's what I want to dive into and to doing. And it's interesting that you're saying that because in terms of keeping a level of pleasure, I think Tim Cook talks about the fact that when you increase your reading speed, you are much less likely to fall asleep because actually I think he says that often when people say I fall asleep every time I read a book. It's actually because you're reading so slowly and every word you are literally boring yourself. And it's quite interesting because I found that I listen a lot on Audible. I love to listen to podcasts or audiobooks and work out at the same time and have kind of a pre workout booster. And I just find that I just process so much information. I remember it so well when I'm doing that, and I speed it up at like two times speed. But what I can't do is read that quickly. So that has now almost made it I just want it delivered audibly if you see what I mean.

No, I think I think we all want to I think we all want to have the matrix moment with when Neil you know is jacked in and he's suddenly learning Kung Fu and right. And we all want that experience. We all want the experience of Bradley Cooper walking up the stairwell after taking the clear pill. And suddenly the lights turn on his eyes get even bluer than they already are. The light gets brighter the he can hear the wheel of the the of the bicycle tire. As it's clicking. He takes a glance at the at his landlord's wife's textbook and knows exactly where that textbook was, what class law class he was taking, when he was a sophomore. And all of these factors come together. We want that experience. And that experience is actually doable. You can achieve that experience and you don't have to be superhuman to do it. And you don't have to kill yourself to do it. But you do have to be present. I mean, this would be my Jim quick back to Jim quicker. I think you mentioned you kind of mentioned Kotler earlier when you're talking about flow state is finding the finding the ingredients and the components that help you perform at Rockstar levels are going to be dramatically different than somebody else. So understanding that uniqueness, that uniqueness of our physiology and neurology and being able to address it and being able to be present enough that when we take something and that 20 to 60 minutes it takes for that thing to dissolve in the stomach to go through the You know, to go through the stomach lining and into the bloodstream and then and then suddenly start affecting whether it's the hormones or the the neuro chemicals and neurotransmitters, the mood the you know, the, anytime we're affecting those components, if we're aware, we can optimise that we can take advantage of those activities, use it as a lever. It isn't the solute it isn't the cure. It's the lever that brings your own physiology and your neurology up to the point of performance. So that you can do those things. I mean, you as one is, is if you studied and passed the bar to become an attorney. To make partner, you're already in that point 1% of performers. So as you and yeah, I think you mentioned you were eight months pregnant when you made partner. Yeah. So and it was your first child, second child, third job. That was my first job. Okay, yeah. So, right. So you, you went through school, you did everything necessary to be able to become a rockstar attorney. And at the same time, in parallel, you said, You know what, this would be a great time, this would be a great time for me, for me to go distract my life with a child.

I didn't quite do it. In that order. I had two goals. And I was like, I want to start a family. And I also want to become a partner. And I was like, which one should I do? And I was like, how do you know, I'm just gonna go for both and see which one happens first. And then they both came? I was crazy. It was a bit of a ride. I don't think I don't necessarily recommend people do this. Right. My adrenals got a little bit, a bit shot.

Oh, yeah. No, I know that one. In fact, speaking of adrenals, that that is such a critical area for people to understand is, you know, we think about the fight or flight system, or the right the sympathetic system in the body where an activity occurs, maybe it's a crappy thing that happened, you heard something or it's a panic event. It's somebody stopped in front of you too fast on the motorway and, and you've got to hit the brakes. And all of these events create this kind of adrenal rush. What people don't understand is that, that we have a there's a cortisol component to that as well. And there's also a serotonin component to that. And the majority of the serotonin is created in the gut. So about 90 to 94% of serotonin is created in the gut. The remainder is in the brain. It's signalled from the vagal nerve to the brain, the brain says, Hey, let's create some serotonin, stabilised or neurotransmitter activity so that we don't freak out and do certain things. Well, when an adrenal activity, a high impact adrenal activity happens. And we're in a stress state, we've been doing this chronic stress. What happens is you get this dump of you get this adrenal dump, you get a cortisol spike, you also get a serotonin burn, because you're it's not fighter. It's not really fight or flight. There's no tiger or lion chasing after you. We're not on the Serengeti, and we're not about to die. So what happens is the serotonin floods in as well. Everything is all of your hormones are working now to try to settle down your heart and get your heart rate back to normal and your cardiovascular system from being compressed, right from vessel construction. And when that happens, you use up serotonin you use up cortisol and you use up adrenal and now you're going to feel like shit because you're you've used up these critical hormones and and hormone precursors that are necessary for stabilising your mood. And now you're going to be foggy, unmotivated, because you're again, adrenals are critical for motivation as well, you want a little bit of it, you don't want huge floods here and there. And so you're going to feel like crap. It can be it can take anywhere from two hours to eight hours to recover, and get back to normal. And then when you're back to normal, you'll feel like okay, now I can start my work, but the end of the day is already happening. Now you're going to screw up your sleep cycle. And you can see how this can turn you into. I'm sure that as you're studying for finals, or studying for the bar, how you know how you're just working 20 24/7 weekends are not your own. your exercise routine, it becomes the the last thing you do instead of the first thing you do. And all of this,

for me actually was when I was working nights in corporate law doing mergers and acquisitions and flotation companies rotations, and we were just you know, sleep was not respected. So it would just be walk all night, work all day, then the next night and you'd have you know, maybe you'd catch an hour and a half here. I found it you know, yeah, I remember the floor at one point was not staying still beneath my feet. You know, it was just I was so kind of dizzy with tiredness. God knows what I've done to my brain over the years.

There's a polyphasic there's when I was studying when I was I sold my first company in 1987 8680. g7 and, and we became an inc 500 company, one of the fastest growing private companies in America. And so it was a lot of stress. Growth or growth eats up capital, as you're well aware, and the m&a side growth eats capital. And we did not have extended lines of credit, we had wait about a half million line of credit, but we're a much bigger company than that. And we're suddenly paying vendors late, we've had all of these activities. So I'm going okay, the only way the only thing I can throw at this because I'm an athlete, is I'm gonna throw time at it. I'm I can work I can outwork anyone, so I'm just going to work instead of working 16 hours a day, I'm gonna work 20 hours a day. And then I started studying polyphasic sleep where you sleep every, you know, every three hours, you sleep for 15 or 20 minutes, and then you do that instead of having a full night's sleep. And I just became a zombie. I was having no fun at all. I was losing weight at a rapid rate. I have my my sweetheart at the time who became my wife. She was looking at me like I was from another planet. Because you know, I wasn't coming to bed at night I was having these little cat naps throughout the day sleeping in the bathroom stall. That's a fun one.

Terrible?

Well, I think the thing is there's there's like books of people that have you know, there's there's a couple of books on this, where people have done this as a lifestyle way to do it. But no, for me, and I think for most people, I think we've discovered that now is polyphasic. Sleep doesn't work, in fact that I talked to you about an app called buzzes PCI zz.com. That was actually developed by a British Special Forces officer who realised that when they're in the field, they have zero, predictable sleep time. Because they're on call, they're they're literally on call. They're with a sniper. They're, they're in activities that they just cannot afford to sleep. And so he realised that if he would combine, so they started doing cat naps and watching out for each other while they're doing 20, or 30 minute naps, or hour nap or whatever they can get. As a result of that they found, he found that if he augmented sleep cycles, roughly 20 minute sleep cycles with binaural audio to increase the quality of sleep for that period and also augment the brain. So getting you into REM, through REM, out of RAM in a way by modulating the cycles in the brain has what binaural is it's an off cycle. It it dramatically improved asleep. So in 20 minutes, they were getting roughly the equivalent of 90 minutes of traditional sleep. So they could do these 20 minute micro naps, which were not enough to put them in jeopardy, but enough for them to recover. Because I mean, you're in, you're in more they've done the sleep studies where if you don't get sufficient sleep, or if you pull an all nighter, you're the equivalent of a and a drunk would be considered drunk. Right? Point. Oh, wait, I think alcohol level in the bloodstream is equivalent of just not pulling an all nighter. So yeah, we used to sometimes

write in it that we could make corrections to contracts, you know, like grammatical errors, because you would go all night, sometimes, you know, more than one night. And then you get to the point where it's like, do I go to sleep for an hour? Or am I going to feel worse? Am I just better kind of going through and there was just always this?

So I have to ask you. So what was the I mean, when we talked about a payoff, right? What was the reward for this altar? You know, this hyper work ethic outside of making partner which is fantastic, by the way, but what was your like? What keeps you going? Did you end up having a major health crisis?

I had eventually had a major health crisis but it didn't hit me until I had hormonal issues because I have PCOS and insulin resistance. So my blood sugar I when I look back, there was signs of adrenal dysfunction, very low, low blood pressure in particular. But it didn't hit me actually, until I had each child and I think you know, you were talking about serotonin there stabilising. Obviously, there's a huge depletion of Omega three right DHA when you're having a child and I unfortunately, couldn't deliver naturally. So I ended up having three C sections. I had three kids in four and a half years, this was a massive depletion on my body. After my third child, that postpartum got progressively worse, that's when I kind of went downhill in the pit. But again, it was over a period of years, took a long time to come back out. But I think that as well is because of how much is being depleted right in terms of my own kind of micronutrients, deficiency on the back end of all those years of work.

You know, I, my wife and I had three children all at home, all natural births. And it was that last birth that got her hooked on oxycodone, that resulted in her suicide decade later. And it was it was that she found as you know, you talk about post, right postpartum depression is I think that's kind of the overall term that that we use on that. Whether it's So many factors involved in that so many physiological, neurological. And then of course, the the mothering instinct as well. And that we were speaking you and I were speaking earlier about imposter syndrome. And I know a number of women that I've worked with over the last decade, who have said, Yeah, I have impostor syndrome as a mother. Like, I don't know that I'm doing it, right. I don't, I'm not confident that I'm doing all the right stuff. I don't know whether the fact that I have a job as well, you know, I have a career as well as raising children. If that's the right thing to do. I, you know, all of these factors that were, you know, these plates that were spinning, yeah. And we don't know how to quantify that and say, okay, you know, and nobody, and we also are looking for third party validation to say, are we doing this right? And, you know, maybe we maybe we don't go to therapy or whatever. But for Tisch, it was oxycodone, which was given to her by our midwife of all people, that you were for oxycodone, because she tore she was also very small bone, small hip. And, and our last baby was born on the, you know, in front of a fireplace on a, on an Italian leather couch. It was, it was a great birth. But she grabbed my hand, she grabbed my hand as she's as she's pushing, and the baby kept crowning, but not coming out. And she finally goes, she looks at me. And at the top of her lungs, she screams you're getting

it was a revenge the last moment. But the Yeah, but

sanities that come out of many women's mouths? To be honest, that's why I'm laughing is a lot of things come out at that point.

Her very churched mother was there, as she's dropping the F bomb left and right to try to get this baby out. It was it was it was that but when you have when something can biochemically or neuro chemically affect you in a meaningful way, during an event like that, and in this case, it was oxycodone. Because she told her that they they wanted to do an episiotomy. She said, No, I had one on the on the first birth, I don't want to go through that again. And so she, you know, she said, I'll just tear and give the oxycodone and she found her muse. That painkiller, which affects so many areas, right to opioid receptors in the brain and, and other factors was so strong that it, it kind of became her new partner in crime, and it sent her down of spiral. And the next decade that, you know, she spent any of her spare time looking for sources of the drug and how to how to get it. So yeah,

sorry to hear that. I think so tough on women. Right. And I think that we probably don't get enough support, either for it. That's the thing.

Apps Absolutely. And, you know, the hormonal shift that occurs during pregnancy and post pregnancy, are not addressed at I don't think a meaningful level at all. I mean, you have to be careful if you know from lactating and, and what you're giving to the baby. But there are micro nutrients and micro pro hormones that you can take pregnenolone DHEA, and those things you can take in micro doses that will make a radically improved benefit to the mother. If they're done, right, if they're done in the right cycles. And, and those things and, you know, again, I'm not a doctor, I can't, it's not a prescription. But, but I think it's really important that women take that into account, get blood tests immediately have have a guide, have a Sherpa through this event, because it doesn't, it's not an it's not a, you know, nine to 12 Month event, it's, you know, it's the next two to three, five years of managing your health managing your hormone levels. You talked about omega threes, supercritical DHA levels, e fa levels. If if you don't manage and optimise those, you're going to be in a poor situation. And you'll notice the one one of our biggest challenges as human beings, is we inherently lack self observation. If we're in busy, if we're if we're working hard, and we're working, often, we don't get the time to reflect. We can't go onto a mountaintop and meditate for a week and figure out who the hell we are, and then come back into society and integrate. And so it's really important to have resources, whether it's people it's a community, a group of people that that you like, I think you've got a nice strong community of people that have women who are especially oriented towards what can we do to radically optimise our health and well illness so that we can be more effective in life. And we don't, it's the frog boiling problem. We don't see the our degradation of our performance and our life happening until we're way, way down the line. And then we're trying to recover and we're recovering from a place of weakness, instead of one of strength and clarity.

I couldn't agree more. And I think you're absolutely right. I think we don't recognise it. And I know, in my own case, it was, you know, ultimately hospitalisation that led to me having that breakthrough moment, in the end, because I had kind of created this prison in my mind where, you know, I wanted to take my own life, but I didn't want to leave my kids and my husband, and I didn't know what to do. And but anyways, I want to speak to you. There's a couple of things you mentioned that that I think are really interesting that I wanted to speak to you, when we were talking there about flow state and the neurochemicals and anandamide, one of the things that Kotler talks about, actually, is the struggle that precedes a flow state, and you almost have to have that element of struggle to then get into it. And then when you are in flow, it's very depleting, right, neurologically, you then need to have the recovery afterwards. And I think that for many women like myself, who are kind of running their businesses or companies around their children, they actually have a compression of time. And that's one of the things that I probably struggle with, because I know that I can, you know, if you look at Tim Ferriss work, he would actually argue that you only have kind of four really good hours in a day. Right, which so you want to optimise those, and that's what I tend to do. But I'm curious as to when you've been kind of making these formulations and things whether you think there is a way of avoiding that struggle utilising different nootropics to enter that state more quickly and more readily. And, you know, I love that was it possess, I'm going to try that in terms of recovery. But yeah, any recommendations that you have? I shouldn't say no, you're gonna say no talk about efficiency to where recovery, but anything that kind of condense that a little bit? I am laughing as I say that, right? Because this year, I'm sharing my socials, I'm doing this whole experiment on myself, How can I 47 really optimise my health and kind of live younger and testing my biological age? And the things that are flushing out when I'm testing at the moment is I need more recovery, not adding in that. But is there a way when we look at that kind of resistance base that we can get that can't that level of concentration and flow more quickly? And optimise it?

Yeah, actually, you know, and I love collars work. And I love humans work. And I think that they're, I think they, it'd be funny I would love to have I would love to be in a room with those two guys debating dopamine versus serotonin, anandamide versus right. And, and where they come together, because they do have some opposing theories on that. And not opposing they have some non complimentary theories on that. Let's try that. One of the things and he even says is look up, look up. So

by moving brainwave activity,

correct, correct. We're spending so much of our time, and you'll see, I guarantee it in, you know, five or 10 generations from now, people will be born with their neck and an S curve. Because we've been looking down at our devices for for so long. So that's one is look up, because that will, again, augment that. The other is, is, for me, outside of I think music is an incredible modulator of neural activity. So there's a hint, I've got a handful of songs that I listened to dirty Vegas, dirty Vegas tune that is just really groovy. I've got some old Zeppelin's that I do good times bad times is a great one. And getting into that groove and using that to propel me into this hard thing with some velocity. You know, momentum, momentum is when you write if you are not moving forward, there's this. There's this so I used to be a Jesus freak. When I was younger. And I say that with love. I don't say that condescendingly at all, is I was a radical Christian at one time when I was younger. And it was a great time in my life. And one day, I'm reading this story of Paul, the apostle Paul was like set to be the next in line to be the head of the Jews. And so he's walking from, he's walking on the road to Damascus, to go penalise the Christians who are wreaking havoc in the Jewish faith. And so he's gonna go okay, we're gonna go take care of these guys. And he's walking. He's a he's a tentmaker by day he's, you know, he's an entrepreneur by day. He's walking on the road to Damascus and he, he suddenly sees his bright light, he falls to his knees, and he says, Lord, Lord, who is this and this voice or whatever this thing All right, this metaphorical thing, I think, in truth, says, Paul Paul, isn't it hard to kick against the goads, which are these prickly pear type things? And of course, these guys are in sandals. So isn't hard to get get goes, like, Isn't it hard to go persecute these, these people trying to do, right? And yet you're, you're finding a way to isolate them. And the same thing, but But the critical thing there is, and then Paul went, and he went on to a rooftop for three days. And he just, you know, prayed, meditated and tried to figure out who the hell he was what was going on in his life. And I think that we, as humans, need to move towards our objectives, not wait for the objective to be exciting enough or interesting enough for us to move. And in that getting out of getting into momentum, creating some sort of velocity, which can be a simple objectives, I like to have objectives that are that are attainable, yet interesting if I accomplish them. And the other is so so you don't want something it's so hard, you know, I want to become the president United States. That's great. So put that as your objective. What does that mean? Well, it means I need to pass the bar, it means that I need to get, I need to get some very wealthy friends around me, I need to make enough noise that the society knows who I am. And I have to have solid enough belief systems that I can write them down and people go, Oh, I aligned with that, that, that, that, that, that categorises me into this political party. So now I can accept votes in that area, those kinds of things. So you go backwards, you have to you have to reverse engineer, what you want to accomplish into the bite sized chunks that are meaningful, yet attainable. If we if we try to. If we try to bite off too big a chunk, we feel a series of failures instead of a sequence of successes. And every one and the other thing is reflection. Like one of the things that that chastity my sweetheart and I do and she works for me. She's a my she's the the master of the lab. And she is the absolute queen of all flavours. Like when I you know, we talked about a source of fame and some of the other right aspartame and these artificial sweeteners and flavours. And she's the one that has converted all of that into fully organic flavours, where she can trace it back to the farm where that fruit was grown on, and can tell you at what time it was picked those kinds of things. And so we will we will go have a dinner and I we were our offices in the the opportunity district where all the restaurants are downtown here. And, and we will reflect on all of the cool things that happened that day that we did or did not anticipate. And as a result of that you get a sequence of dopamine hits, that give you the confidence to keep going that keep that push the reward system out so that you have another reward to go get. And they also help you to fine tune your life. If you're not doing an iterative feedback loop, you end up on a treadmill and that treadmill has no end, nor does it have any reward.

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Oh, yeah, exactly. There's a great movie called Mind the gap. And which actually is it's if you're going in the tube, right and it's you hit it, find the gap, Mind the Gap. A very important thing is to do that and here's the deal. The chasm doesn't have to be something that you cannot see the other side, the chasm can be a small gap and all you need to do is cross that gap and that is going to get you into another state or another place performance. What we try to do with nootropics is we We hope to help you achieve states of operating states, an operating state of focus and operating state of drive and operating state of love, and operating state of chill, an operating state of long term performance without, you know, without having yourself caffeinated to death. These are all states you can accomplish. And you can do combinations of states by combining different elements like before, we before we got on this call, I took a brain flow, which is one of our capsules, along with an upbeat, which is one of our serotonergic capsules. So I have an acetylcholine esterase inhibitor plus acetylcholine, and a serotonin dominant solution. And then you saw me doing some right since energies, which is our GABA solution. And that combination puts me in a really incredible state, but then I really need a little motivation. And so, of course, and motivation works best if it's in a beaker. So, so I have power solution, and I drink a little power solution while we're doing this. And that combination of neurochemicals puts me in the optimum state for us to have a fluid conversation, to recall important events and important stories that we want to be able to expound on that might make an impact on our listening audience. And also to have fun, I want to be able to I'm not in a, this is not a monologue, and it's not a pre programmed script. This is us having sitting down at a fireside chat with with maybe a nice bourbon, and deciding what's important. What can we do that was going to be elevated if there was a group of third parties that were there? Who would what what can we share with them that would be meaningful, and move their needle personally, right. And so exactly, building that, that cascade of neurotransmitters, in the right balance is kind of what we hope to help people perfect in their own lives. And that knowing also, that as you get good at that, as you figure those things out, they're also going to change, they're gonna get better, you're gonna keep moving, your baseline operating level of performance is going to continue to scale.

I love that. That's what I want to dive into. And is the formulations actually and how people can use them. I want to tell you a really quick story. That was fun, because this describes for me, the exact mental state that I think what you what you're talking about there that I had. And it's quite a funny story. Because when I was when I was six months pregnant, going back with my first child, and I was on that partnership track, or I went to an event, I think it was with PwC, one of the big accounting firms, and it was basically tonnes of lawyers, tonnes of accountants. And they set up this casino type place, right. And I hadn't really played all the different games, and I'd never played poker. And so I was going round, and I was in a pair of high heels, six months pregnant, my feet were killing me. So I just want to go home. And then I was like, I've got to switch that state. Like, I can't go home. I've got to make this fun somehow. So I was like, right, meant to change my attitude. I'm just gonna get into this. Yeah. So I sat down, and I was watching people play poker, never played it before. And I was like, I need to learn this. So then I was like, they were like, do you want to have a go? And I said, Yeah, go on. And so I started having a go. Anyway, it was really fun. And I started beating people there more people coming on the table. So and I let this I'm using this story really to illustrate, I think the power of fun, but also when you're trying to achieve things almost like not needing them too much, right. So as I was progressing through the game, I was enjoying it, and then more people were coming on. And then you know, next person come on, and I was just beating them. And I was thinking, wouldn't it be fun, if a six month pregnant woman could actually just win, like, be everyone in the room. And that was the thing that I had in my head. But I knew that if I put too much focus on this, right, you're going to completely screw it because you won't be able to hold your cards properly. And then you're going to be worrying, you know, am I gonna win, I'm gonna win. Anyway, he got down to me and this other guy. And I remember him just like looking at me. And all these people are crowding around. And they're like, you're kind of be beaten by a woman, this thing. And I was just like, Wait, close out, close out, close out. Anyway, I won the poker game. And it was one of those things. I remember it because I remember thinking, I actually like made that shift. I was so bored in the beginning, then it got really, really fun and competitive. But I was in that flow state. You know what I mean? Nothing was stressful. I have the clarity to play the game that I need. And obviously, there's a huge amount of luck as well. I don't deny that. But I was learning something new. And I think that's what we're really talking about here. Right is to get the right friction point in terms of that challenge skills ratio that talks about the fun factor and everything sort of coming together.

And you know, I love that because your reward was that every time you win and that right the chips are heading your way. There's there's that rewards that I absolutely you cannot deny the fun factor. Can I share a story? Yeah. All right. All right. I was A competitive junior tennis player. And in high school, we were, were what's called a five day school, we went to largest schools. So we had a we played a lot. And we were not a high wealth school. We were middle class school, but great people. And so we're a district and I took a little bit of mushrooms. And at the time, I was 16 years old. So I took some psilocybin at the time, and I was a clinically accurate tennis player, I studied the best tennis players of that time that was in the 70s. And so, gear movie loss was who I practised, and I modelled his backhand perfectly. And it Illeana Stassi for his flick forehand, I had every one of these masters of their craft, and I studied their strokes, and I mastered their strokes. And that's what I played. So how I grip the racket, what size my racket handle was the tension on the strings of the racket, what kind of strings they were in nylon, or gut, or artificial gas or oil filled, what racket I was using, and aluminium or wood or steel, every one of these factors was the variable that I perfected. And I made it so that if I didn't have all those pieces in line, then then my game wouldn't be awesome. So I am, I'm releasing my critical thinking, My executive thinking as the mushrooms came on. And I hit a the my my doubles partner hit a short lob, the team on the other side who are from a very, very wealthy school had been playing tennis since they were little kids. I started in eighth grade. Now I'm a sophomore in high school. So it's a three years maybe of tennis playing, and, and they slammed it back, I ran back to the baseline, I hit a ball behind my back and down the line and it was a winter, it broke my racket. So the yoke of my racket, which was a head master racket, it broke the the racket. So if I didn't hit the ball in the middle of the racket right in there, what's called the sweet spot of the strings, the bracket would just vibrate, the ball wouldn't go anywhere. So and so I realised I had this aha moment, which we will all have, when we're when we're trying to do something new. That is a challenge that we maybe don't understand everything, we will have a series of aha moments that will help to fuel us. They're the Oh, I get it kind of like learning complex math. Oh, I get it. I finally understand how this works. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And are you know, when when somebody throws you a new legal term, and you've got to resolve what does that mean in context of this, because it means something independent, and then it means something within the context of this specific brief. And so you want to build do that? Well, from then on, I changed the game, I got a song in my head that was at a really weird time signature was at a seven eight times signature, so it wasn't on the beat. And I moved in from the baseline. Normally, you go between five and 10 feet, behind the baseline when you're receiving the serve, so that you have enough time to anticipate where it's going, and then go and hit the ball have enough time to get to it. I moved in five feet from the baseline towards the service box. So everything was going to happen at hyperspeed. And I built in my head and anticipation factor, and I shortened my strokes from a full stroke to a 24 inch stroke. I just punched that ball back faster than it was coming at me. And I played a game I no longer excuse my language, but it didn't give a shit then about the quality of my strokes, the accuracy of my racket, what grip I had, I just started playing instead of working. I got out of my critical thinking head and got into flow. And we absolutely, yeah. Oh, we feel

so good. They feel so good. It's like when you watch Roger Federer on court, looks like he's dancing. It's just so it's amazing.

At that moment, I considered it I was actually playing I was doing ballet on the court. And I did that at district and state then because again, I was now instead of playing the game that everybody else was playing. I was just having a blast playing my game. I had great tunes going in my head and and I was just totally grooving on it. And when I missed I didn't get mad at myself. I laughed at it. And I just recalibrated. There is Tony Schwartz writes about energy management. So in the energy project, you may or may not know that, Jim Laura and Tony Schwartz. So and in that Jim Lor who was his partner in that who kind of developed this process was a tennis coach down in Florida. That's where all the all the cool kids go. So and what he realised in his high performing players is is that after a point, they reset themselves. So after every point, whether they've they, you know, knocked the ball in the net, or whether they want, it didn't matter, they reset and they brought their heart rate down, they blood, their blood pressure down, the next point they played was the only point of the set. And when you get into and then they they said to Holy crap, this happens to high end executives, who need to be at a high performance level all day long, is they basically go into an event, they know that it's only four minutes of the meeting, or 20 minutes of meeting or an hour of whatever. And then they reset, they get out of that. They take a deep breath, they bring your heart rate down, they don't even know they're doing it most of the time, as they were doing their studies are going, how do they what's the difference between somebody that effectively runs a fortune 500 And somebody that fails at a small business? And if you go oh, okay, there's these dynamic factors of how they manage energy, which translate to motivation, thought, clarity, right? introspection, follow through interest, excitement, joy, happiness, play. Yeah, all of those things.

Yes, so true. So true that that reset is is critical, I found. I'm looking at I'm looking at the formulations because I have them here. Because I've tried to as you know, we were talking offline. I've tried a few of them. In fact, I've tried all of them. It's just that a few of them I particularly liked and what I guess I want to understand from you, and this will really help listeners if they want to play with this. And I have to say I highly recommend it because it's it's super fun. We can stack them together. But Shall we go through first of all right, there's there's one that was interesting to me, actually, that I and I can't remember you can tell me which one it was because I really liked it. You had to actually pour it under your tongue and let it kind of dissolve. I opened the capsule. And that one gave me really good effects. I forgot what it was now. And I ran out of it too quickly.

So this mental this middle reboot

is meant to reverse. Okay, because it has an am and a pm that one doesn't it? Correct? Yep. Yeah. So let's start with Yeah.

I love it. I love it. So middle ribbit, a reboot, reboot, rebirth, Revert Ribbit metal rivet? Reboot? language words. I need my word Mortiz. So mental reboot am was developed, actually the whole mental the mental reboot suite. And again, you mentioned it's a there's an am and a pm was developed because of a couple of factors. One is I had a number of clients. Again, I've been doing this for a number of years. This is I think I'm on your 16 or Yeah, I mean, you're 16 of this linearly. And then I did it a decade prior to that is that was developed for two reasons. One was I had clients that were on various meds and also had sleep disruption, sleep issues. And I needed them to have something that would elevate their mental capacity first thing in the morning and also take advantage of there's a removal process that happens at night, where the brain shrinks the capillaries, the brain opens up areas around the capillary. And cerebrospinal fluid flows around that. And the the capillary wall is literally one atom thick, right or one molecule thick. It flows around the cerebral spinal fluid flows around it and drags out all of the detritus that comes from, say that the action of ATP creation through the mitochondria, right, it's not 100% perfectly pure, there is a little bit of stuff that comes out exhaust. So it pulls the exhaust out well, when that happens, the reason you wake up in the morning, and you're not necessarily crystal clear is you've got some of this slag that's still hanging out there. So and your hormone levels are at different levels and all kinds of factors. So I wanted to build something that would give people a good baseline to start from. So that whether you're somebody that joins us for your Java first thing in the morning, or whether you like to get on your your, you know, you went to take a walk or you go running or you go lift weights or whatever, that you had an elevated baseline of performance. And then anything else you take on top of that is going to be more effective and better because your receptors are primed for more activity.

This is this is the glymphatic system, essentially that you're talking about. Right? Kind of claiming doing kind of a scrub off if you like and removing the tau proteins, the amyloid plaque all that.

Yep, exactly. Yeah. So and you know, you're probably familiar now that the the studies that have been looking at where do tau proteins and amyloid beta proteins come from and what's the real culprit, like we talked about dementia, and we talked about Alzheimer's and cognitive decline in general, and we look at these proteins that build up in the brain and they start causing synaptic hell. Those are not clear that Alzheimer's and dementia are not, are not created in the brain from these plaques. The plaques are created as a liver dysfunction. As a result of us not being able to go through this cleansing cycle, we don't know it. There's there's a lot of a lot of new research that's coming out this kind of validating some of these theorems that have been thrown around. But essentially, we need to look at, at detoxifying, naturally and organically leveraging our own our body's own detoxification process, so that we can get to the same levels of, of clarity that we had when we were eight years old.

And is this is this captured? And is it supporting the liver detoxification? Or what's going on the brain? What how was it working? Both

both? Yeah, both brain and brain, liver lymphatic. And it's also raising, its gently raising the level of acetylcholine availability in our system, as well, as we talked to you and I talked earlier about methylated nutrients, especially B vitamins, like, so there's methyl B 12. And there are methyl cobalamin. And, and then methyl folate, so getting your folate levels up, and some other cofactors that basically amplify those. One of the dictums that I have in everything that we design is looking at, how do you potentiate is the term? How do you amplify the effects of each of the nutrients or precursors, so that you get a enhanced effect with a minimum viable dose. And that is a critical factor. So it's every component that's in that isn't just slipshod put in there, because it looks good on the label. It was actually, I did tests with over 1000 of our beta testers, where I would take two molecules that were complementary, put them together in different ratios, send them to our beta testers, and say, how do these make you feel, and then get the feedback, collect the feedback, come back and reformulate and change it and change it. And then once those were identified as effective, then I would take two other molecules that were had a complementary effect to those original two, and say, Okay, try these, and then adjust those until you get the optimum output or outcome that you want, and keep going. So you know, that's why each of our products has anywhere from 16 to 60, different nutrients in them at the right ratios in complementary components to be able to dramatically affect the outcome of that capsule. That's how we can make a single capsule. And again, as you, as you will note, our capsules do not look like anything else got. Part of that is that they're hand their hand built in our labs, by individuals that read your customization and intake. And we talked about the UK differential between the US and UK.

Yeah, which is coming to him. First of all, for anyone listening, the UK, Thracian is coming very soon. The

so that's so that's your baseline. So now we set your baseline right, so now elevated our baseline. So now if you if you're drinking your Java your coffee, and if you do it in Huberman mode, you're going to have your first coffee is going to be 90 to 120 minutes after you wake up not immediately when you wake up, so that your adenosine levels will be able to taper and you're not going to be fighting adenosine or repressing adenosine because you filled the adenosine receptor, which is the difference between wakefulness and sleep fullness. And, and so by waiting for 90 to 120 minutes, you will actually have what is you'll avoid the afternoon crash that you can often get from from caffeine if you have to have caffeine first thing or a stimulant, first thing in the morning, and the other is that your level of wakefulness will be much more genuine, you won't be brittle or on edge or have that buzz that caffeine gives you instead you'll have this kind of increased level of clarity. And again you won't need a reboot at two o'clock in the afternoon at three o'clock in the afternoon. So so that's

a primer right? If you're priming it the night before with this, would you take it right before bed or with your evening meal like when is the best time to take that

so so so mental reboot pm which is the one that that helps to take advantage of the brain shrinkage and and the flow of cerebral spinal fluid for that. I take that just before it like literally just before my head hits the pillow. We've recently released two solutions for sleep. So we've got sleep breakthrough and dream optimizer. And the idea was how can we optimise sleep and take advantage of some of these existing physiologic neurological and you know, things that our body goes through without creating a dependency, and actually enhancing the body's own ability to sleep quality of sleep, duration of sleep without also inducing a hangover that you might get from, from whether you're taking over, you know, high levels of melatonin that some people take well, to take one 310 milligrammes, even, of melatonin. And that can often lead to a sleepiness in the morning that you don't get out of until the melatonin is worn off. So we like this, we don't have any melatonin and sleep breakthrough, which is our powder drink. And it, it gets you to sleep and keeps you from asleep for anywhere from six to seven hours, seven and a half hours. And if you need a either a boost, or you want to, uh, you wake up at 4am, or 3am, and you still have two or three or four hours of sleep that you need to get, or if you're asleep onset, which is a period of time it takes to go from your head on the pillow to the time you actually go to sleep is too long. And you're restless in bed, and it's an hour later. And you can't decide whether you want to get up and go read a book or if you want to, if you still want to sleep because you've got an early morning, we created a thing called Dream optimizer which dramatically amplifies REM sleep and put you to sleep fast to 15 to 20 minutes, you'll

dramatically optimise his REM sleep. That's interesting. And does it does it have any effect on HRV? Because there's usually a correlation between browsing

Absolutely. Yes, yes, big time, people that have shown us there are o ring results after this. They're they're pushing that 96% call it sleep quality, that that 9394 95 96% sleep quality. And then HRV Heart Rate Variability becomes critical factor in that as well. And that's dramatically improved, as well as the Delta and REM sleep length of time and quality of time are dramatically increased, some of them have more than doubled.

So he's this now in the UK sleep products,

I believe so, you know, I'll check on that. But yeah, we just we just released it. We're actually dream optimizers being released this month, sleep breakthrough released last month. So And those were those were really fun because sleep is the world's most powerful stimulant. And so as you know, as a as a mother of three, if you don't have good sleep, every other factor in your life is compromised.

Everything's hot. What about just quickly on the on the dream optimizer? Any special considerations? I don't I don't personally have this. I'm just thinking for listeners. If anyone has things like night terrors, would they? Would that be contraindicated? Or it's all good?

No, no, it's really, really good. Yeah, really solid? Yeah, we haven't seen anything, at least at this point. And we've had quite a few 100 customers who are on it on a regular basis and have been for the last almost a year now. So yep, no problems there. It's really great. One of the things that I love and this this speaks to you and I being highperformance individuals is I use sleep as a tool to resolve issues and to extend my my daytime my activity. So I will play in my dreams, I will either set myself up with an intention prior to drink to sleeping is a really effective way or if I have a repeating dream, a successful repeating dream. I will use that I will look deeper into that and use it as a tool to go okay, what's going on in my waking life that I need to address that my dreams are trying to talk to me about. I know that sounds maybe woowoo it's actually not there's a lot of

like we were on the show

was super, super important when you can start managing your dreams. I just remember when I was young and I was doing my first companies and I would have recurring dreams. I didn't know how to like what to do with them. I just thought that you know something's bugging me. I just didn't know how to resolve it. I had I was having a dream where I was on a country road riding my bicycle I was pretty hardcore bicyclist at one time, and I kept running across the stream. I didn't wouldn't run across a run up to the stream was big enough that I couldn't cross it. And every time I tried to cross it, I would just like it would just Sweeny downstream and I would be wiped out so I kept being a blockage, a blockage blockage. And finally after having a stream for about two months straight, I finally said okay, I'm gonna go manage this. Again. It was very young into what to do here. But as I got into it as I hit the stream, I go okay, I got off my bike. I walked to the middle of the stream, lifted my legs up, and it drifted me downstream and then I found an opening with the sun Am I coming through, and I went to the other side of the stream and I came out, and I came into the small town. And suddenly I realised that I was trying to force myself into a position that was not going to be beneficial to me. And my dream was trying to go Hey, dude, watch out for that there are there are sharks in these waters. And and it was such an incredible observation. And then that there was another dream that came after that, that helped us support the next thing in my life. So it's really important to watch those things and to be open. There was a time can I share another story?

We love stories. I love stories. All right. I'm just gonna share my dream job. And when I used to remember like the recurring dream, I forgot to put my knickers on when I went to school. Walk or dream as a girl in a skirt. Anyway, I don't know what that was telling me. But anyway, yeah, please, please share another story.

I'll tell you another one, we'll go offline. And this was that I had a very similar one. But when I was younger, so but there's a song from Peter Gabriel called Salisbury Hill. And, and so Peter Gabriel was the lead singer of Genesis at the time, and he wrote a song called Salisbury Hill and the song the song was about him, needing to leave Genesis to be able to become more of who he is. And so, so thank you so much, Kim. My antiques dealer just brought me fresh baked cookies. My life is my life is genuinely blessed. And so, so the song would come on, and I was I was writing, I was driving to work one day, and I would drive as fast as I could. I had a hot rod at RX seven Mazda, and I'm driving this acid could because it was the only positive white knuckle event that would happen during the day. Because once I got into my office, it was all putting out fires and trying to solve problems for other people. And, you know, in fast growth company, again, those kinds of things. And the song came on, and I finally listened to it. I always loved the song, but I'd never really listened to it. And it was about him listening to this eagle. As he's walking up Solsbury Hill, he's and this eagle comes to him in the night and, and says, grab your things I've come to take you home. Like I've come to take you to your place of art, your place of being your place of joy. And so he keeps hearing this, this eagle come and tell him this, this thing. And this is a recurring dream that he's having. So I'm, I slide into my parking spot, go in and I go, if that song comes on three times, in one day, I will need I will know that I need to make a move. And I got I literally went to lunch that day. I got my car, and I turned on the radio and that song comes on. And this I'd already heard it once song comes on again. So I go okay, Screw this, I'm going to turn the channel, I changed channels, and the song came on song Sonic. And I went to my, to my girlfriend at the time, the girl that became my wife and I said, Honey, I know this is gonna sound totally ridiculous. But I had I there's a guiding light, a guiding angel is saying, Hey, dude, you got to change things. And so and I did, I walked away from that company, nine months later, and I was sued by the company for for leaving before my contract was up. I mean, it was crazy. We became friends. A few months after that we negotiated out of court over whiskey, which is a really great negotiating tactic. By the way. My, my, my another business partner of, of mine said, Hey, we need to get the lawyers out of this deal, because lawyers were just cranking on the dollars. And he said, I think the real problem isn't that you left the company is that he lost a good friend. And so we went to a restaurant that we had always frequented, and we we rebuilt our friendship and

noise would have only heightened the like negativity in an emotional situation like that. Right? That's when your lawyers and get together,

we would go have drinks. And we would think we'd come to a conclusion we would go back to our attorneys and tell them we'd come with the attorneys would argue they would jack up and it was, again, it was three. So what we did is we call the attorneys both we both agreed on what the deal was, we called her attorneys and said you're fired on this deal. Give us your last billing. And we've we got it worked out and we it was fantastic. And we still have a great friendship today. So So and that was that was 1991 9090 I mean that's that's

still friends today. So awesome.

So the I mentioned that because, you know we talked about dream optimizer and those things. I mentioned that because oh by the way, four years later, I ended up touring with Peter Gabriel. How, like if you were trying to connect dots, there was no way you could do it. But yeah, four years later, I ended up Peter Gabriel and I think called the WOMAD tour world of music. Nancy did in, in New York, Chicago, Seattle, LA or San Francisco in LA. So it was fantastic. But it was great. Yeah. You know, from from falling in love with music as a kid and Genesis in general. And then when the US album came out such a, you know, transformational album for many of us who fell in love with his music, and then and, and he wasn't like an iconic thing to be used. He was like, cool, but, but getting the call from his stage manager going, Hey, I heard you make really, really cool technology. And Peter is asking for it. Would you be willing to tour with us? It was like what? Out of nowhere. So anyhow, great stuff. It's connecting the dots. Don't be afraid to listen to your dreams. And don't be afraid to march to the beat of a given song because they can be the Muse that is trying to tell you write to make the move that maybe you're frightened to make. And yeah, so yeah, it's

just giving you that gentle nudge. I want to ask you about it. So if we prime the brain the night before we can use a sea remedy we can use the mental reboot. What about for what I can't understand and I know a lot of a lot of listeners that she didn't say a thing I wake up and go to the gym first thing in the morning. Yeah, what could we what what out of these formulations would be a really good free workout. And that concludes part one of my interview with Mr. Noots. I think that's a good place to pause. In the next episode. Next week, we will be diving into the various nootropics that you can use for different situations. How you can really enhance your workouts how you can use nootropics to enhance meditation and breath work practices, how you can get into more of a flow state and enhance your productivity as well. So make sure you're subscribing to the podcast so you never miss an episode and you will be notified each time we release an episode. Thanks again for listening and I'll see you next week. Thank you for listening to today's show and for your interest in health optimization for high performance. If you're new to my podcast, you may be interested to know that you can get a free health score and report complete with personalised recommendations on how to optimise your sleep, nutrition fitness and resilience in the top link in the show notes below. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Links to everything we talked about are also in the show notes and if you enjoyed today's show, please subscribe for more