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2000 Mules. I got to tell you, I spent five or six hours the other day with my friend Dinesh D'Souza going through the evidence of his upcoming movie. And I was just completely blown away. And I'm gonna let him describe it as much as he's comfortable with because I don't want to break any of the kind of privacy agreements we had before all this stuff goes public. But it's truly extraordinary. With us as Dinesh D'Souza, who is the man behind the upcoming movie 2000 Mules, which I believe is the smoking gun, that shows that there was a coordinated, funded, illegal ballot collecting network in the key states. Dinesh, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show.
Hey, Charlie, it's a real pleasure, great to join you. And of course, it was fun to see you in California with some of the rest of the Salem gang. And it was thrilling really, to present some of this evidence and allow people, you know, people who have different views on what happened in 2020, to process it, to take it on board and then to discuss it.
Absolutely. So however, you are comfortable, walk our audience through what you found and how you found it. We'll go from there.
Well, let me start with a little bit of background. I think that going back to 2020, I've been a little bit silent on the issue of election fraud, in part because you've had these two camps, which seem to have no meeting point, in fact, no ability to talk to each other. On the left: the sort of grandiose assertion that this was the most secure election in history. And then on the right: a series of suspicions and intuitions and accusations and probabilities, and, and a lot of stuff flying all over the place. But nothing that is systematic, comprehensive, well presented enough that a reasonable person could go "There it is, there's the evidence I've been looking for, that's how I know my intuition is right". So I think that conservatives and Republicans have been really frustrated because we sort of feel that something went deeply wrong in 2020. But we've been unable to kind of put our finger on it. And I think you and I have been kind of in the same camp where we would say "We suspect, but we're unable to assert election fraud, because election fraud has not yet been proven".
Well, and this is so important Dinesh, and you and I talked about this a great length, because millions of Americans know that something is wrong, right? They just haven't really been able to pinpoint it. They know it in their gut. They know it in their soul. But there's just all this information out there. So Dinesh, talk about how you decided to focus on something very specific. I was really struck by that in our time together. It's that it wasn't talking about machines. It wasn't talking about all these other different things. It was really specific about evidence that you were presented about a coordinated illegal ballot harvesting network of multiple visits to drop boxes, which is against Georgia law. We went through that, and the filming... Many times, like just to remind people, this is not just unethical, it is illegal. Talk about how you decided to really create - almost like with a sniper-like focus - tell the story.
Well, the there has been a lot of reports of fraud and absentee balloting going back many election cycles. But absentee balloting in the past was a pretty small fraction of the overall ballots. And so unless the election was, you know, essentially a tie, the absentee balloting didn't generally make a difference. But what happened in the COVID environment, of course, is a massive expansion to mail-in balloting and giant numbers of mail-in ballots just flying all over the place. And then also the emergence of all these drop boxes. Drop boxes, very often privately funded drop boxes, unsupervised drop boxes, drop boxes that are just sitting there, all over the place and heavily concentrated in democratic cities.
So, my wife is very good friends with a woman named Catherine Engelbrecht who has an organisation called 'True the Vote'. True the Vote vote was started in 2010. It's probably what's one of the premier voter integrity organisations in the country. I know that you know, Catherine, and I've known her for years. And... but I met her I had known of her but I met her through Debbie and we've gotten to know her pretty well. And so we were able to sit down with through the vote and and review some research that they were doing and they wanted me to sort of evaluate the significance of it. And of course, the question I was asking myself is, you know, is this evidence from like one place, like is it all from Georgia? And if so, it would be interesting but insufficient, because evidence from one state wouldn't in fact, be enough to tip the election, we'd be talking about corruption in one place. But fortunately, True the Vote has done their work in all the key states. And they focused on the heavily Democratic areas, Fulton County, Georgia, they focused on Maricopa County in Arizona, also in the Detroit area of Michigan, the Milwaukee area of Wisconsin, and then the greater Philadelphia area in Pennsylvania. And using really two things, one is geo tracking - geo tracking is basically cell phone tracking. And cell phone tracking is very useful, because if you're able to process the data, you can actually see the so called mules - mules are kind of paid vote traffickers - mules are people who come to ballot boxes very often at night, they come using gloves, so that they don't leave any fingerprints. They take photos of themselves so that they can get paid for the ballots that they're dumping. They make multiple trips to multiple drop boxes. So there is no question in any of these states that we are witnessing illegal activity, even in areas where it was temporarily allowed to do "vote harvesting" in no area is it legal to be paid to deliver votes to a to a mail-in drop box. You can't be paid to do that in any [state]... and the other thing is, a lot of these meals are coming from non-profit centres, which are 501 C3 organisations, which means they're prohibited from election activities. These are people that have a tax exemption from the IRS, conditioned upon them not getting directly involved in electioneering. So you're basically seeing violations left and right, and a coordinated ring of corruption. And the evidence for it is decisive.
So Dinesh, please interrupt me if I kind of break the privacy barrier, because I know we were really clear about it. Questions that people have been asking me is, how did they get the cell phone data? I said, you're gonna have to watch the movie, because it's very, very interesting how that was obtained. But Dinesh, what I saw was so stunning - of one mule in particular, who made 25 stops in one evening, all across the Atlanta area. And people might say, how do you know that? Well, it's because of the collection of the pings that a cell phone gives off. And you'll be able to tell that story in the movie, we're going to kind of leave people in suspense, because that's one of the things I think is super interesting, but also Dinesh, they were going back and forth between these NGOs, these nonprofits, and then going to ballot drop boxes. Now, Dinesh, this evidence is so compelling that because of what we have, because of what was presented, Atlanta officials are now looking in in a criminal capacity towards these, this activity. Is that correct?
Yes, the beauty of using a kind of dual standard. By dual standard, I mean, on the one hand, the geo tracking, and the geo tracking, comes with cell phone IDs, so you know whose cell phone it is, but it's a whole different matter to have geo tracking, plus video. Now, Georgia is one of the areas where there is video available. We don't have all the video, but we have a great deal of it. We've also gotten video from one other state and we might get video from a third state. But the beauty of video is if you can match, you know, it's one thing for me to say I saw Charlie Kirk's cell phone and 15 different drop boxes. But then if I turned to the video, and there's you, Charlie with a satchel coming on your bicycle or walking up to a drop box, then you have, you know, the ratification the confirmation, there's the cell phone. So in a sense, the cell phone is sort of like a fingerprint or like a DNA marker. And then you see the guy actually breaking into the bank and doing the heist. And it becomes very difficult at that point to argue that that's [not] the guy.
So Dinesh, we explored this a little bit in our time together. What's going to be the argument the regime media makes against this? Let's try to anticipate it so we could shore up our defences to make sure this does penetrate the zeitgeist effectively.
Well, it's possible to make some... The first thing that the left will try to do and so far they've been doing this to our trailer which you can watch on my Rumble channel. You can also watch it on the website which is just 2000mules.com. Dead silence about the trailer so far. I mean, think about it: on a subject as sensitive as this, namely voter fraud, there is normally like 40 fact checks that appear, you know, within 24 hours. Not a single fact check. No one has said "this evidence is wrong", "this is, you know...", "Dinesh shot this video himself". You know, this is official surveillance video obtained through public records through the Freedom of Information Act, the government has this video itself, they probably just haven't taken the trouble to look through it. Why? Because there's just 1000s and 1000s of hours of video, we ourselves have 4 million minutes of videos. So think about this, you know, to the people who would look at the trailer and say, "Wow, that's disturbing. But you know, I only only see like 30 or 40 seconds of video", well wait for the movie, the movie is going to absolutely overwhelm you with video evidence. And of course, I'm going to put another archive of evidence up on the movie website. So this is going to be very hard to dispute.
The left will try its usual kind of obfuscations. "Hey, look at that guy dropping stuff in a box. Maybe he's just sending mail off to a bunch of his friends." No, this is not a US Post Office mailbox. This is a election ballot, drop box specifically set up for ballots. "Oh, What's so surprising? Yes, the guy is, you know, he's doing it at three o'clock in the morning. And yes, he has gloves. But you know, maybe he's worried about COVID." I mean, it's possible to think of things. But but once you begin to see the accumulation of this evidence, the preposterousness of those kinds of refutations becomes apparent. Obviously there'll be questions: "Well, how did you get the cell phone data?" and all I want to say at this stage is listen, you know, this cell phone data has now become ubiquitous. When you walk into CVS and you get a notification that they're having a sale or you walk, you're approaching the Apple Store, and or your or even the Weather Channel is sending you notifications, that's because they know where you are your phone, they are tracking your phone, because of countless apps that are in your phone that are basically giving out and giving away your location. And all of this data is aggregated and it is accessible. In fact, companies buy it all the time. That's how they're able to use it for for the and law enforcement uses it to solve crimes. The same kind of geo tracking data was used to get Bin Laden. So this is something I think that people are now familiar with. And it's a very persuasive type of evidence.
Yes, it's brilliant. It's 2000mules.com. Dinesh, one more segment, I want to keep on exploring this with you. Everyone go to 2000mules.com. That's the number 2000mules.com. And subscribe for their email list. So it doesn't get censored.
Charlie Kirk, we'll be right back....
Hello, everybody, welcome back, email us your thoughts, it's always freedom@charliekirk.com. Dinesh D'Souza is back with us. 2000mules.com, that's 2000mules.com. Some people are gonna say, Dinesh, Charlie, I've heard it all. Okay. I watched all these videos, I was told there was all this evidence, what makes this different? And what's actually going to happen because of this?
Well, that's that's a good question. And I confess that... I do a little bit of almost... it took me a lot to get into this project for this exact reason. I felt that the ground had already been covered, disappointingly, in many ways, and that people would be weary. And our side would be a little demoralised by all this, not to mention the fact that that this is a topic in which the you know, the regime of censorship descends upon you, unforgivingly. And so it was a very, it's a risky topic to get into. And therefore the standard I set for myself was really simple. I'm not looking here, for the kind of evidence that is a "maybe", or even a "probably". I also want to approach this not so much in a kind of shouting triumphant manner, but rather, exposition. Here is what we know, here's what we don't know. And let the viewer, let the let the person watching the movie or reading my book, be the jury. And I think that's the spirit in which we're going to do this documentary. And it's going to be all the more powerful because if we say something, we're going to prove it to you, we're going to show it to you. You don't have to sort of take it on faith. And the beauty of having video evidence, particularly for a movie is it's just thrilling, because a movie is a visual experience. And at some point, even if you have DNA evidence, and even if you have the sort of fingerprint evidence, you're like, "Yeah, but you know, can I actually see the murderer in the act? Can I can I catch him in the act and see him actually doing?" And the answer in this thrillingly is "yes, you can". And we can show it to you not just once or twice, but we can show it to you again, and again. And again. And again. And again.
I say this, with no exaggeration. Dinesh, we were there for at least four hours. And we spent at least an hour and a half on the evidence. And we could have spent another 10 hours going through every single one of the, I mean, it's millions of minutes of footage that has been condensed down. But there were at least 1000 files that you were basically like, pick any one, this one, how about this one? And all of a sudden is like, "Oh, wow, that person's walking up with latex gloves on, puts the ballots in and then takes the latex gloves off and throws them in the trash". I don't know if it's COVID related, but I mean, maybe they didn't want their fingerprints on it. Right. And so... Go ahead...
Charlie, what makes us so telling is that there was a case in Arizona where some indictments were brought down, because some ballot harvesters had left their fingerprints. And literally days after that was revealed publicly, we see mules in our surveillance video wearing gloves. It's almost like the bad guys realise "Wait a minute, you know, those guys got busted on the fingerprints, we better put on the gloves". So there is actually a chronological tie. But you can see that you can see in the earlier videos, no gloves, then the Arizona case, and then wow, there are the gloves.
And and then the other one is the pictures of ballots, taking pictures of ballots, which is almost to prove where the goods are. So people have asked me privately, as I've told them about this, they say, Charlie, what are the next steps? What about all this? Well, Dinesh, I think first we just have to tell the story, right, we have to move the Overton window. And I also think it's going to validate millions of Americans that have known something has happened, and they've been looking for the proof, they've been looking for the evidence. And when you start to see geo located cell phone data, like a fingerprint of pings that are coming off of a cell phone, that visit 25 dropboxes in one night, and go to NGOs that are closely aligned to Stacey Abrams between 12am and 5am, and overlay that with video footage that shows that they're taking off latex gloves and putting lots of ballots in a box. I mean, that that would make the Zapruder film look like a fuzzy, you know, kind of piece of history.
Dinesh, about 30 seconds remaining... How can people support the film? When does it come out? Calls to action?
It's going to be released in probably the third or fourth week of April. I'm still trying to figure out what is the best way to release it, theatres aren't fully back. That's why I think it's important go to 2000mules.com. If you sign up for the email, no one will be able to censor this, I will have direct communication with you. I think this is going to be huge. And it's going to make a huge difference. But it begins with simply getting the truth out there so that what happened in 2020 becomes undeniable.
2000mules.com. I've seen the evidence. I haven't talked about all of it. I've been very disciplined Dinesh, because I want people to watch the movie. It is unbelievable. And you've done a great job Dinesh. We're here to help promote it. And we want to help move the Overton window. It's good for the country. Thank you so much the NES to 2000 mules.com Talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Have a wonderful weekend. Have a great Shabbos and we'll see you on Monday. God bless you guys speak to you soon.
