CR_Ep.03_Mix3.0_mp3_m1_Conor@Glowcast

    4:56PM Apr 24, 2022

    Speakers:

    Matthew Chaim

    Losa

    Iara Bloomz

    Will Juergens

    Mark Redito

    fran miller

    Jackintheway

    Tyler Cordy

    Oceantied

    Maiworld

    Conor Dalton

    Shamanic

    boy untitled

    Zach Britt

    Marc Rucker

    Russ Matthews

    Darby Trash

    Michael O

    Violetta

    Jonn Hart

    Kathleen Regan

    Prod Colin

    Rosalie

    Keywords:

    chaos

    camp

    people

    band

    web

    feel

    artists

    headless

    music

    tokens

    song

    weeks

    project

    discord

    experiment

    act

    participation

    vocalist

    campers

    community

    I believe in this camp, I believe in this web three thing. And it's like, a year ago, the song camp thing didn't exist. And I was sitting here this area person, we're making amazing music together. Like, this is why I got into music in the first place is collaboration and to have fun and just just like learn from each other. And like, I felt that there wasn't a platform for that for such a long time to do that like online

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    Welcome to chaos radio. This is the story of 80 artists from around the world experimenting in collective creation.

    Over the next eight weeks, we'll be pushing the limits of music web three by creating 21,000 unique art pieces under the shared artists name, chaos.

    Join us as we witnessed this artists grow fall and rise and we hope ultimately, right? We're calling our community of makers camp chaos. And here I can we believe the most exciting part of this project is the making of it. So come join us backstage with song camp. A little

    family of music and love in web three

    climbed down into the pit orchestra will be rehearsed for our final performance making art as

    chaos. Will we be able to let go of our egos enough to truly own this work collectively? Can we survive off the promise of a future NFT job

    will be harnessed the power of chaos

    or be consumed by chaos. I'm Jada and I'm LOSA. Let's find out together.

    Hello chaos radio listeners. Welcome to episode three of this crazy chaotic experience where we will cover the behind the scenes happenings at Camp chaos. A little recap for you. Camp cast is an eight week half songwriting half web three hackathon experiment where 80 artists from around the world collaborate digitally to create 45 songs as one headless band called Chaos. These 45 songs combined with stunning visuals will be released as a collection of 21,000 unique NF T's and the camp

    is divided into four acts each being two weeks long for tonight. In the last episode, we covered act one order, where we dove into how artists will be getting paid through supercharged NF Ts. And this episode, we're observing act to disorder. We'll be introducing Eris, goddess of chaos and discord. As she begins to play a more active role in how we share the work of our headless band with the world. We'll cover some of the challenges related to value flow, and then wrap up with some ideas for where chaos will go after the NFT release. Without further ado, let's jump in to act two.

    I think in the call at the time Matthew was like building up towards something we'd all been quite excited about like the reveal for camp three what would we knew there would be a camp three but none of us knew what camp three would be and the theme of it is going to be chaos. The moment he said it it kind of set off like a bombshell of ideas in my mind. Because way prior to this moment, I had found Discordian ism.

    That's shamanic an active member in camp chaos and an alchemy house a

    I'm shamanic. I make crazy noises with my face while we're while and yeah, that's uh, that's that's what I do.

    In 2021 Song camp held its first two camps, Genesis and camp Electra. Towards the end of 2021. Way back before camp started, Matthew chain announced that the theme of the third camp would be chaos. shamanic, was on that call and was very excited to find this out.

    My brain kind of exploded because we're on Discord with a bunch of creatives that are literally trying to redefine the music industry but just creative industries in general like definitely doing something that's not the status quo. And and, you know, Discord is a name to the name for the social platform that we're collaborating on. But it's also the Roman name of the Greek goddess Eris, who is the goddess of discord and who is the patron Goddess of Discordian ism and I think I just blurted it out like in this kind of excited way of like, look, there's that and that and we're all coming together to make chaos happen and we're doing it on Discord and that like it's really inherently chaotic and beautiful. And we're looking for things to kind of like structure that around and to build from Well, look, here's this fully immersive and developed and irreverent kind of law for us to like dive straight into

    Eris, the goddess of discord and chaos has become a central character in how we are moving from act to act. and developing the lore of this headless band known as chaos. I've come to know her pretty well. And I gotta say she is pretty feisty. When transitioning from act one to act two heiress left a message in OUR DISCORD SERVER for each house to decide their fate for the next two weeks, a message that was read by three of the house guides, Kathleen Regan, Jack in the way and me

    Word has it that Eris the goddess of chaos, is coming to visit us once more, I think he or she is now

    it has been two weeks since I drew you into this collective of creatives your mission to create timeless art

    I've watched while you created a sense of order for yourselves

    by dividing into three houses, each with four bands and a troupe of Alchemist. There are many

    technical trials and creative tribulations, but your order has proven effective and allowing you to find a path to 15 unique creations,

    you know done well. However, one thing is certain wherever I notice order disorder is soon to follow.

    Now disorder is inevitable. But you have proven yourself full of potential

    and so I present an opportunity to shape your own fate. See here three apples of discord,

    even golden apple, which is grown from the seat of confidence.

    The Ruby Apple grown from the seat of good fortune,

    the Emerald Apple grown from the seat of

    wisdom. Each represents a different reality

    a different means by which I will reach out and begin to dissemble the order you've carefully crafted.

    Now choose one and take a fateful bite.

    So again, that's three houses house A, B, and C, and 12 bands in total. Each band has a producer, vocalist and flex musician, which is like a wildcard. So errors came in and was like, let's shuffle up, let's play musical chairs. But here's the catch. The houses will ultimately decide how their teams are shuffled. By blindly picking one of three options presented through Apple emojis made by our fab visual team.

    Ferris was like yo, I'm going to do something

    you might remember our friend will another guide and leader here helping to steward a team of bands.

    I appreciate the art y'all have made so far. So I'm giving you a choice. Each Apple stood for a different reality, basically a different iteration of bands.

    So each house band member voted in discord by choosing one of the three apples.

    At this point, it's like out of our hands they chose.

    That's when their teams were revealed.

    In transitioning from act, one to act two, campers have really started to let go and lean into this idea of chaos. It's a vibe, it's a story. It's a moment, it's a growth period. And we're really starting to gather and rally behind it.

    In chaos magic, there's the idea of like a sigil, or sign. So I see the headless art is chaos, as being like that, like a sigil. We've mentioned before in camps, the ideas of containers. And I think containers have been super powerful for rallying people around some kind of an abstract concept and allowing that abstract concept to take more shape. So I kind of see the idea of the headless artist of chaos that we're all contributing to as being like a, like a hybrid container, like a schedule container.

    Everyone in camp chaos from the development team, to visual team, the Lord to the music, economics, the operations team, all of us are using this singular container, this idea of chaos to put forth this bodacious body of work. That's 45 songs go with visuals to in eight weeks. It's crazy. And so that's what we're going to be talking about next, which is the music of Camp chaos. It is so fresh, it's so fire, that campers are so hype every week, and those who aren't directly in the band sometimes feel a little FOMO. Here's Matthew talking about how he felt during one of the camp wide breakout sessions because first

    I jumped into the economics call. And all I could think while I was in that call for five, six minutes was like, I need to get out of this call and into the houses. It was like there was a sick like session or listening session happening inside the studio. And I was outside the studio in the other room talking business and like my artists self was screaming to get into a house and start listening to these jabs.

    And yo I feel that way too. I'm not in any of the bands. But you know it's an exercise in ego of just being here and being able to hear this Insane fresh music every week by the most talented artists. And it's inspiring. It's such a beautiful space. But without further ado, let's hear this music

    it has been amazing to see the spirit of kind of mystery. I fill in all the tracks I've heard across all the bands, none of them sound too much like anything you've heard there's there's there's a mischief in the meeting of different minds from different genres

    Welcome, everybody, hope you're doing well. Really excited to get into these with you,

    you might remember Jack, he is a music guide for house B, this is him talking to his house during the weekly listening party. And I

    just want to like just take a moment to appreciate the creative vulnerability that goes into like what it takes to work with people that you've never really worked with before ever. And then also share it a week later is is quite a creative feet from where I'm sitting.

    That is right, Each band has to deliver a finished song every two weeks wild right. And to do that, you have to get V vulnerable V quickly. with people you don't know v Well, here's vocalist and songwriter, boy and titled, and vocalist and producer, like honey discussing this process in a band meeting.

    I have the lyrics. And when I was reading them and thinking about like, possibly changing them, just honestly, they really resonate. And just like where I'm at, personally, I'm my, I've been married for five years, I've been in this in my relationship for eight years. And we're currently separated, which is the new thing. And so this idea of Yeah, the lyrics that you wrote, really resonate, because that's, you know, we're not even really communicating just like as a point of like, let's completely just kind of work on ourselves and then step back into the relationship and just see how that feels.

    Always the mean, up so the walls feel real and so

    crazy, man. Before we adjourn, I just want to say like, I really appreciate, Mark, you like opening up in that way. I know. It's like a very trying period for you. And it's crazy for me, because this is this wasn't a song, but I made it and kind of just like didn't think too hard about it. And so you saying that is making me appreciate it more and like come at it from like a different perspective, which is cool, because this is kind of like you You made that substantial through sharing. So thank you. And I hope that everything works out for you as well. Thank you. I appreciate that.

    Sir. So there is this moment on that house See, breakout. Everybody was talking about how like, they've never been in a collaborative situation where ego was so low. Because it just the way it's set up like you have to you have to get it done. You got two

    weeks the whole thing allows us to just be free in the fact that even if it's not something we might normally do on our job or on our solo song or solo production, we come into a knowing that we're creating something that's chaotic. Anyways,

    that's John Hart, singer and band 12 How see

    just let it go. And whatever comes out, it's gonna be dope regardless. So I think just knowing that we're solid

    nice to see, because

    I feel like in so many writing rooms, there are so many different egos

    at play. That's exact Brit, also in band 12. And then at this,

    there's just like 80 Different people in one band, so

    there's no ego for all just

    modest.

    Also, from that same listening session and how See, here's Rosalie a vocalist in band 10

    When I've been writing sessions with people or collaborations, like the intentions are Mariemont they're different than what the camp is. And our intentions here are different. And I think it's freed us up in a lot of ways to do a lot of like the hybrid experimentation or maybe to collaborate with people that we wouldn't have thought to collaborate because maybe they do different genres and we're not traditionally used to working with people in different genres as much

    as this all it now is no task to me.

    Letting go of ego requires trust, which is something that Michael on a Balu vocalist and rapper in bed nine brought up during the call

    like I feel like this has been a cool giant experiment like a trustful you know what I mean? Like I feel like we're on a giant internet trust fall and I feel like everything that's coming out of it just feels like it's true. Like and I feel like everything's just coming out of it just feels like so dealing with confidence audits Kermanshah complement crit chance with this common sense speaking straight to the spot with I'm not worried about what it sounds like or you know what it was going to look like. It's just like just do it. Just have fun with it, try something different. Try something new and then see where it goes and refine it after print for everyone that has something like this because this is so cool. Like any artists I think would would dream for something like this is cool. I could probably act it's like so perfect to like get a reaction and facade of distraction focus on my paper and attraction let them in the sky that the economy Batman we did in the past and we circled the map in gold ratio 100 in my stance, apple orchard abundant in all lands confidence. So the spirit expression will purpose courage go here and positive covariance increasing electronic bonding or chaos is

    reaching. I mean, I'm Captain Obvious here, but the songs are all fired. They're all fucking fire.

    That's Margaret Dino talking with Fran and will during a Weekly Debrief meeting. These aren't just like songs. These are songs that people are like making thinking that they're going to trigger the Spotify algorithm. They're like, this is like some art happening

    day you getting married, rather, should wish you the best. But now I'm about to crash, crash crash. Crash,

    because they're that level of quality. Like the artists in this camp or that level of quality. It's not, I'm hearing music that I would never hear either. Weird country shuffle or hip hop, crashed, doo doo, doo doo like, like, it's just there's stuff being made that you would never hear in any other situation. And I don't know, I just have this feeling like it's going to inspire a lot of people to make certain kinds of music as well.

    The lack of ego in the community is leading to some exciting and innovating artistic combinations. So how does this collective creation compared to individual creation,

    most of us live most of our lives here in the West, there is a sense of like, a strong sense of like the individual, right. And I feel like that's useful in a lot of contexts. But also, there is a sort of, there's something lost in there, too, when we sort of like really hold on to that notion of individuality, you don't see often a group of people, a community actually moving together as one. Maybe some of their experiments might fail, but it makes the organism actually much more resilient, you know, much more stronger, much more bonded.

    There's a certain magic and allowing chaos to happen in its natural rhythm, allowing chaos to grow organically, were able to reach this level of Letting Go by utilizing high tech coordination tools, pushing the boundaries of what we can do as a headless band. And that's exactly what we'll be diving into next, one of the biggest experiments in camp chaos, value flow.

    We're all sort of like different people, you know, and it just sort of like, makes me realize how much of a feat this is what we're doing, you know, gathering people together, coordinating people. Okay, well, how can we all be aligned, you know, at the same time, such that we know what to do next. That's such a feat.

    There's a lot of organization in camp chaos, but it's all about bringing about like a disruption, like a rebirth. I have a lot of belief in this project and in projects like this to support artists, and I think This could be like a big step breaking new ground on like figuring out how artists get paid.

    Remember us chatting about Coordinape from our first episode, the web three tool of gold, that allows us to give value to fellow campers when we see them providing value to the community and to the project. So how have campers been feeling about using Coordinape? Here's Darby trash, a band member of Camp Cass.

    I'm, I'm

    really confused about this whole Coordinape thing and what it is and how it worked.

    And I need to do it.

    I don't know, I guess I don't even know where I don't even necessarily know what it is or what to start or what I need to be doing or any.

    Don't apologize. That's exactly what this is for. No apologies necessary. Yeah, so let's run it back.

    Every two weeks, we are sent a Coordinape epoch with a certain amount of give to distribute to the people we've worked with in camp. Our fab econ team then distributes those gifts as chaos tokens, which after the NFT release of this project will turn into eath. AKA money, honey.

    Yeah, so basically, you're going to receive 100 give points to disperse out to the people that you've been working with. Oh, so if you sign in with your wallet, you should be able to see the whole group.

    It says reward your fellow contributors can take your wallet to participate. And I just fill this out and then just gift my, the people that I was working with right? Fucking die, man, maybe? Let's go.

    Let's go. Let's go. So since Coordinape is a decentralized value flow tool, it doesn't have many centralized rules, we're breaking them. So the distro of tokens is based off of each campers own personal participation and experience. This brings to question how do we see participation as a metric to allocate give?

    How do you guys feel about like participation? What is participation to you guys?

    That's proud Colin, a producer in band for asking the group this poignant question during Coordinape office hour in

    terms of its participation, jumping on a call like this, or is participation, just making sure that we do the best music we can, I'm finding a bit of, I guess, in my heart a bit of guilt sometimes where I'm like, Oh, shit, I'm not giving enough to the group. This is

    one of the more complicated pieces of network based work that we're doing here. We don't always know how to add or allocate value, here's we'll take on this concept of participation and adding value.

    Like, here's a goal that we all have to create this project and release it, well, I have a certain set of things I can do. And when I noticed that something needs done, I do it. Or I ask a, it wouldn't be helpful if I do this.

    And remember this campus at people large with five different teams. So we don't always interact or crossover with each other. But then

    I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect between myself and let's say, the design team, or let's say the radio team, just kids is kind of like yeah, I see that I'd see the chat, I see what's going on. And I probably can just be like, hey, could work on everything you're doing. But there's not really a space where I feel like I need to be there and then in my head is like am I not participating enough from my perspective, but I don't know maybe it's just me in my head thinking I need to be more present with the campus because I love everything that everyone's doing. And I want to be there

    playing the role that you're in the camp and bringing that like intention of doing the work like I feel like that is the threshold you know, but I can I can feel into a bit of what you're saying. Related to like, Oh, am I giving enough am I doing enough like I can see those thoughts coming up but like well said like, if there's not something like immediately a clear path to doing more like that doesn't need to be like like resulting guilt or doesn't need to like be like stirred up.

    Yeah, just accept what you have time to help with and do what you can do.

    But I also think I think like a piece of feedback that I received from it is also like, yeah, probably an evolution for like the camps containers can be towards making like clear paths to participation in other areas.

    It's tricky, right? Participation can impact how visible your role is how much people see you how much people want to give to you during the current Coordinape epoch. Therefore, some people end up being outliers. Some people happen to have a lot of touchpoints, with different teams across camp. Others don't interact very publicly, but are quietly adding a ton of value to the camp. It means it wasn't a perfect system from the get go.

    Yeah, it's a little too early for me to fully tell. I mean, if I looked at the numbers right now, day one, and I said, Oh, this is like what we're going with? Yeah, I would probably say that, that they're not correct. That's my

    world music producer who has participated in song camp since Genesis, and now is a producer for how see out

    that's just from our perspective, but I look at it like it's week one out of three. And there's a lot of time left, and I kind of am really leaning on the fact that the system will work itself out.

    Yeah, like I'm interested to to see like all the data played out over the course of the entire camp, right?

    That's Russ Matthews from the Econ team and our Coordinape mastermind.

    There's something about like having this data sort of visible by everyone that might make like the results a little bit reflexive, right, like you can sort of see what happened, and then perhaps, certain issues that each individual sort of sees with it are sort of softened through their future actions, right? It'll be interesting to watch. You can,

    I thought it was a really cool and innovative new way of like distributing money, right?

    That's Violetta Heiland, another producer and vocalist on alchemy, see,

    but also I could see how, for example, like I wanted to give more to like the visual team. But I didn't know like exactly who did what or how much. So in that sense, I could also see how it could be like a little bit disproportionate, potentially because we don't know like what's happening behind the scenes on on each team.

    Yeah, it's not perfect. It's not a system of giving based on the teams that you're a part of, in your own participation. Can't see everybody who is working on this. Each epoch has been an experiment so far. And that's, that's on camp for you as base to experiment at the edges and music and web three, we're trying to hold as much decentralization as possible. So that it's not just a small group of people deciding how everybody gets paid. We're legit all participating in that decision, which is pretty cool. But there are going to be outliers, there's going to be some situations probably where people don't feel like they were compensated correctly, related to the amount of work that they put into this camp. And for that reason, there's a hold back 10% of all tokens are held. So at the end of camp, we can balance out any of these miscalculations.

    One way to look at it is like the whole back, which is 10% is equal to a full Coordinape round, because each of our Coordinape browser essentially 10% 10% 10% 10% equally not 40%. So it's like we have a fifth bag that is equal to a Coordinape round, that it has so far, like room to be designed.

    The main thing is like, how do we stay away from making centralized decisions about what aspects of a project are the most valuable? Right? Because it doesn't make sense for a few people to say this is how much law is worth. This is how much the Dev is worth before the project has even happened, right? But they're like, there definitely are

    trade offs. And one super exciting thing that happened during the first Coordinape cycle was that real money and real chaos tokens were distributed to the campus.

    And then the plan is to send two things this week. One chaos tokens, our initial airdrop of chaos tokens, and that having been calculated based off what you received on Coordinape And what you self selected on the form, the other is the UBI. If you opted into the points three E's you will be receiving point three E's by end of week as the latest hopefully before Friday is the goal.

    Yes, the chaos tokens based on the Coordinape cycle were sent out and they were received. Those are the tokens that represent ownership in the actual NF T cells once we get to that part, and also can't forget that UBI universal basic income How did it make you feel yada?

    Oh man, I getting that UBI was such a blessing. Part of that is going to help fund a music video for one of my debut singles. I've already paid my fashion designer friend Chloe Chanel for this. And it was the first time that she was paid by a friend for a project also the first time that I was asked she'll be able to do that from my own pocket. So I love how this creative endeavor of chaos is fostering possibilities for more creativity to happen. Morning,

    the morning I just had this good feeling about the UBI that's been like really unique in this process that's

    Tyler Coordinape vocalist house be amazing nice nice

    I think there's something like super powerful psychologically that goes on when your art is inherently valued

    nice amazing you gonna shower me and he's gonna help support my dreams are

    you gonna hold it, hold it hold it right when you taste you might have with boldness for like seven years, then I would bet on me,

    because better art being made when people are dealing with less undervalued by the world.

    Eeny, meeny, miny, moe Boyzone, are gonna take your check in a minute.

    But hopefully that makes for better not just music, but better technology and better creation.

    Having that baseline up, I really changes the dynamic, I already feel more valued for like my contributions. As a musician. And as a member of the community that I have from so many other like traditional projects that I've worked on, camp has basically gone, you are valued, because of you just just by being here and contributing and participating. This community recognizes that you have

    value. I mean, honestly, I woke up really, really happy today. Because the UBI was, I mean, it really means a lot to me as like a musician in 2022. In India, like honestly goes a really long way.

    That's ocean tide music producer for band seven house be

    even like the distribution of the chaos token, it was just like an imagination thing in my head. Because you know, wondering how it's all gonna go down and to actually see it happen is just a good few basic,

    nice. Nice, nice. Nice, nice, nice, nice. I think there's a lot of thought, and heart really baked into the incentive design, this whole chaos system. But I also sort of realized, too, that we can only incentivize up to a certain point, because all of us here are a combination of intrinsic and external motivation. And I feel like the incentive touches on the external motivation. You know, if you do x, you get y sort of thing. And we know, that's only one side of our humanity. There's also the intrinsic part of it, where people keep showing up because this is fucking cool, you know, and there's all these cool people, which we're also sort of like touching on as well.

    So fascinating to hear how everyone is feeling about this big experiment in coordination. Feel like we're really starting to operate together and move as one as one headless bed. Which leads to the question now that Eris is forming now that chaos is showing herself we're understanding who she is, will the rest of the world understand who she is? How will the launch of these 21,000 unique NF T's go down? Where will chaos truly reside?

    No shit you left me for dead at that red memo you back the pen you sat right and cookie rose through Amazon slow down before things happen. You never get to know

    what does the future look like? I think it could look like a murmuration not in like, some analogous picture that's far away but like, actually, like feel that real time motion as one with that many people. That to me is like what I could see as a vision for what chaos can be. And maybe these 21,000 art pieces are the like originating engine of that my hope and dream would be that we sell out I think that'd be fire and that everything works. All the financial piping functions, don't lose the money anywhere. Strike on some real gems of learnings that we bring into the next thing not only the next camp but also like the evolution of chaos because I think like that's super interesting way of seeing it of like the chaos starts when the project goes live as an ends. And also Yeah, like Being able to integrate that into other things we go into.

    My hope is that, you know, that chaos doesn't end here, you know, that our friendships would would continue on, you know, whether you're a part of the community or not, you know. And I also hope that this also adds on to the resiliency of our community. And that we also like learn from from this huge experiment. I think for me, deep inside of me, I just want everyone to get paid. I just really want to get everyone paid. You know, that's isn't that is that too high Vanasse. I just want

    you to know. This is just the beginning of chaos,

    you don't even know.

    Chaos is not something to be feared. Chaos is something to embrace. And we all will be able to during our release in a later part of May, blocking out in your calendars y'all get fucking ready for this sick NFT job here, you don't even know. But this NFT release won't necessarily be the end of chaos s is pushing us to move these creations to web to land in due time.

    It feels to me like an album that you can listen through start to finish. When I listened to these demos and masters, I have a belief that I will hear some of those in public.

    You know, I've been kind of riffing off this idea of, you know, everyone goes for what two, two, web three. But what if we were able to go for web three to web two for that value of that exposure and that opportunity? Because I think there's a misconception people think web three musics only for web three audiences. And I disagree. I think it's for every audience, we just have to show them that it's there.

    That's Mark Rucker, he's leading the rollout plan for web two.

    My name is Mark Rucker, I am from Nashville, my job is to help connecting our music and the web three space with web two. music isn't just for web three, it's for everyone. In the traditional web two space, you're really just hoping that somebody can get you on a playlist. And the flip side of what we're trying to do is to show that we have value from web three to web two. And it's like, I'm looking at this and going if we get 5 million streams on a song that already sold the empty space, that's going to explode the value in what we've already built.

    Beautiful thing of song camp like this, we haven't really had to, like, take on like label characteristics. That's the beauty of this camp too, right? Like, like, Song camp is not an intermediary. In in the funds from from nfts, we have like this whole split model that makes it completely, actually very doubt, like autonomous. So I think like in thinking through these ideas, it's like where like, where did where does the weight live? And where did the intermediaries like start to show up? And who actually wants to do that stuff, I think that's going to be an important thing.

    There's still going to be some old school steps we got to take to move from web three to web two, at least for now,

    in my mind, I see a future where all this stuff can be autonomous and can flow in a way that isn't dependent on like, you know, handful of people starting to send these quarterly statements, which is like not something I'm dreaming of doing at all.

    Yeah, it's quite interesting seeing these models sort of eMERGE, right, in terms of like web three, whatever we call it marketing or release strategy. I think currently, the playbook is you release an NFT sometimes you fractionalize it, and then you give your supporters tokens. And then you sort of create a community around that. It's an interesting model. And I think I see a lot of our peers pursuing that model.

    I just want to be an artist. I don't want to be a social media manager.

    You know, like you said, you know, I think most of us here we are our own managers, we our own marketing, we are on sort of like admin, gathering consent or consensus from like your audience. There's a limit to that, you know, before it becomes diluted, at least for me speaking personally, I don't want to like every move that I make, Hey, guys, do you like this? You know, like, I want to be able to create music that I like, you know, and and let that find its audience.

    I mean, if you think about it, how decentralized can a community centered around an artist has to be where the focus is the artist decentralization in that context doesn't necessarily necessarily make sense unless it's like a larger artists like a headless artist

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