So before, before the first summit, we were, we were really struggling. We had, you know, I had made the transition to chicken Health Academy. I was launching it as a core offer. So I would it wasn't a membership at that time, I was offering it to people as a one time fee. And every time I did a launch, it just never, it just never really took off. And I couldn't, you know, it's like we tried all these different things, doing, you know, webinars and different types of launches, and I never got the sense that this was a business that was going to be able to support my family, which was super discouraging, because I've been an entrepreneur pretty much my entire working life. So I've never been in a position where something i. Was working on, like, wasn't working. So it was really frustrating. And we so we were kind of at the point where, because month after month, you know, we were pretty much living on our savings while we worked on our business. And we were at the point before I joined summit in a box where we were like, this is just not going to work, and there's no way I was going to give up on my business. But business, but it was at the point where I was probably going to have to go back to freelancing, or my husband was going to have to go find a job. You know, we had, we had to have some money coming in. You know, that's just the reality of life. So when I found summit in a box, I'm trying to remember how I think I found you through Kate doster. I think you did a webinar with Kate doster, because I was in Kate's program, and I saw that, and I just was like, maybe this is the answer, because I had been in Shelby divorce summit with garden farm thrive. She had invited me to be in her summit the fall. This was fall of 22 so that was my first summit experience. I didn't even know summits existed. I didn't even know that was a thing, until I took part in Shelby summit and and that the experience was amazing. With Shelby Summit, there was, you know, I gave my presentation, and there was a live chat, and there were hundreds of people there in the chat, just like asking questions. And, you know, I was in the Facebook group, and she had so many people in there just talking and the community, like, even though it was online, you could really feel the energy. And I, you know, like I said, I didn't even know summits were a thing until I took part in Shelby Summit. So then, when I saw your webinar, this was a few months after the summit, I was like, Maybe this could work for me. So I decided to just try it. And truly, when I say that this was like, the last roll of the dice for us, like, I'm not being dramatic, because we were just truly at that point where it's like, you know, we have to this either is going to work or we have to find a completely different avenue, you know, to have some money coming in. So it truly was, like a last ditch effort to make this business a go, so I didn't have to return to freelancing. So it was, it was nerve racking.