Yeah, that's, I think that simplicity is a big part of it, you know, it doesn't, you don't need a degree. You don't, you know, you just, you just have to. And we've done it with, you know, like we had an empathy circle with, we're in Sacramento at a politically right rally, and we set up the empathy tent, and five of the identity Europa group came to the tent, and they're the ones who had, like the tiki torches you know, at Charlottesville. And you know, the topic of the Holocaust came up, and you know my friend or our colleagues who is there. He's Jewish. So the topic, you know, they were sort of Holocaust deniers and and so the leader of the group, he kind of spoke. They were, started getting towards arguing, right? I could hear them, and I turned to them and said, Oh, here we do the empathy circle. So I got him into an empathy circle. They spoke. And my friend reflected back, you know, what they were saying. And the topic was, came up, what does the Holocaust mean to you? And then my friend Dave, he said, Well, to me, the Holocaust is half my family were killed in Austria, and the other half were spread around the world. And the identity aropa person, you know, he's like, Well, I was only the Nazis. Were only fighting the communists and all this kind of stuff. So he was, he kind of made all these rationalizations instead of reflecting back. And my friend said, No, that's not what I said. And he said it again. And the guy was in his head, you know, kind of coming up with not reflecting back. And he did it three or three times, or even four times, and he wasn't kidding it. And then one of his friends who had been doing an empathy circle with someone else, he was younger, and he kind of guy says, Just tell him what you heard him say. And he said, Okay, half your family were killed, and the other half were spread around the world as refugees. And my friend Dave, he said he could just feel the shift that happened like this guy heard me. You know, it's a little tiny thing, but he heard me. And so it was like a step in, in the in the right, right direction. Wow. So anyway, that's powerful. Yeah,