Detroit City Council Formal Session part 2 (missed an hour between parts)
7:00PM Nov 1, +0000
Speakers:
President Sheffield
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It actually operate through the chair now. They do not so. So there's not although we are taking on the front end of the administrative side, trans debit is still active in the same row. That's the thing.
That's not correct. Everything that we showed you is what they did. We've taken it away. So talk about what transits current roles.
I would describe it with all due respect, I would describe it as more of an operational role. Under the new model. It is more of an administrative role. So again, we'll be performing the reservation process, the scheduling the dispatching of the service, trans debt, and we will, through our contract manager have direct oversight responsibility not only for people express, but also for the three subcontractors within that Transdev bundle.
And Madam President, thank you so much for the time. I do just have one last question. How do you expect the residents experience to change with transitive steel being involved in steel plan, the role that they play? And essentially, we're just we just have different vehicle operators that are working under trans Dev and the training that's provided by them.
So So I just wanted to underscore again, there were a lot of complaints about customer service and dispatch, we've taken that over so that's going to be different. The scheduling portion of the vehicle showing up late we've taken full responsibility. We're taking that over the eligibility portion. We are taking that over Transdev currently has it so it is different. And then contract operations and outreach we've completely taken over. So the portion that's probably sticking in people's mind is probably the training part. Right? Correct. Right? So you can go into detail on that.
And if I could just, if I can just piggyback on that. I've been on the ground now for four months. The three top issues that I heard about was service reliability. Vehicle doesn't arrive on time, I don't get dropped off on time. The second one was driver training, and the third one was vehicle condition. We've taken responsibility for the service reliability piece, in that we're going to book the trip. We're going to schedule the service. We're going to dispatch the vehicles as they're out on the street in real time as it relates to the driver training issue. If you would look at this RFP versus past RFPs, there's more stringent requirements for not only the number of hours of training, but also the content of the training course. In addition, both the contract manager and myself will be in those training courses to make sure that what we required in the RFP is what's delivered by the service providers, as well as the contract manager will be routinely doing files on audits, not only for driver credentials, but also for Driver. Driver Training.
Yep. And if I can add to that, especially based off our last meeting that we had, there were a lot of people in the community that offered some some assistance in the training arena and I open openly accepted so one of the things we're going to have to do but of course we need to walk before we run we need to take this over. This is a monumental move to start moving forward with running it the right way. Then we'll start looking at some additional things. Should we see some slipping in training or should there be issues taking place? I don't foresee it because something tells me that the public will let us know if it is but if it does, then we'll address it at that time.
And one thing that did forget to mention the third piece was vehicle conditions. So we'll see the average age of the fleet decrease under this under this new model, in part because of the introduction of some new vehicles and in part because of some vehicles that will get traded out based on who some of the current service providers are that contract manager one also will have direct oversight responsibility for doing vehicle inspections, doing vehicle audits, and also looking at maintenance files
and through the chair. If I could actually add to that one thing that's very important is that the current Transdev contract as it exists today, is going to end at the end of the year. So at the end of the year no matter what it ends. So moving forward, we have 30% of the service approved so we'll be able to provide 30% of the service but the entire ability to manage this an overthrow. See this will require a little more service than 30%.
Thank you. Thank you, Madam President.
Thank you member waters.
Thank you, Madam President. I certainly appreciate all of the changes that that the department has worked in order to improve some things, but just I'm just still so concerned about those who will be utilizing this service and their lack of faith and Transdev you know, it's one thing for me to sit here make decisions, but I'm not using the transportation. So, and that deeply concerns me. So I want to know, let me just see if I can clarify a couple of things. Is Tran Tres, they're still paying the subcontractors that will provide oversight to trans DEP or can trace them investigate their own complaints with their drivers. The drivers will be working for transit. I'm trying to understand all of those little things.
Sure. If you look at the org chart there, so the customer service complaints, dispatch and scheduling, we'll be able to see it. Okay. Sort of it'll be us we have full control over the complaints eligibility ability, ability and contract operations. I think again, the thing is sort of well why is transit there then if you have these companies, why are they there the other three companies would not bid unless they were part of it.
The waters Thank you. Remember Callaway,
thank you Madam Chair. What you've explained to me, sounds a little convoluted. A lot of entanglement and a lot of blurred lines. I don't understand why we would have city employees. It sounds like there'll be working for trans Deb. I mean, you can explain it. They're taking over trans Deb's responsibilities is what I'm hearing. You're saying directors ogilby, then why do we need trans dip? I'm going to vote on behalf of the people. They have come here time and time. Again, asking us not to do business with Transdev. They're the ones who are riding the buses. They're the ones who are projected to whatever the service is or is not. I'm not. So I'm going to cast my vote in favor of the people No, probably not be in favor of trans dept. This is a $49 million contract, if most of what they were tasked to do or contracted to do is now not going to be done by them but by city employees. Why do we need them? Madam Chair, thank you. Thank you.
Is that a question?
Do you want to hear the question? Oh, directors ogilby?
No, I'm sorry. You were saying you were you weren't you are voting against it.
So that was a statement. So my question to you Dr. Owens directors Oh will be I said this is a $49 million contract. Yes, it sounds a little convoluted and entangled and blurred in terms of what the responsibilities will be for city employees with respect to trans debt. So if a lot of these responsibilities are going to be assumed by city employees, why do we need train staff? Okay, so we manage city employees. To me that's a conflict of interest to have a company outside of the city because they are in Illinois, managing city employees. And city services. Well, thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you through the chair. Transit will not be managing city employees. So that's not factual.
Okay. What, Madam Chair?
Member Callaway
clearly not understanding what is going to be their responsibility if you just sat here and said that city employees will be taking on what trans Deb was doing prior to today. So that is a question. Oh, I'm
sorry. I thought I answered. Let me start over again. If we get if they could go back to the previous slide. The previous slide shows what trans Dev is doing today. So the functions that trans devs doing right now, which is an operational function, sort of acting as staff currently does the call center, call center supervisor lead dispatcher, call center reps, schedulers, customer service reps and eligibility. That's what they do today. We as a department are going to take exactly what I just described. away and we are going to do it so they will report through Mr. Staley to myself to all of you, we will be controlling that piece. So the only part that's now out to bid is just a provider piece providing the service day to day as far as the actual physical vehicles. If we own the vehicles, then we do that piece too. But that's another discussion. So the providers are now the only thing in play. So Transdev does this now the providers are the only thing in play. Now go to the next slide. And that's the portion the only thing in play is where you see it. So to your point. If that said people's Delray United mo transportation, a big start without Transdev there, everybody be raising the roof and saying this is great, but because Transdev worked with those three companies to provide to to apply for that provider piece, which is different, so they're in a different role. Right? Is where you see it. So therefore, all of the green Transdev is no longer doing we're doing as a city and I'm sorry, that's why I was confused. The green is us. And the dotted line is now their provider, which is transcript and then so they're therefore back to your question of don't why do we need trans stuff? Well, we we really don't need trans stuff. We put out an RFP and a bid came in and the providers needed trans Dev. So when the people that are writing saying we hate trans have clearly the providers aren't. And that's, that's that's the outcome of the RFP that took place. That is not opinion. That's fact. Thank you.
Member Callaway,
thank you, Madam Chair. So if all those pieces if we can go back to the prior slide are being removed from trans Dev, then then there should be some, I guess, an adjustment to the contract because what was this contract based on was it based on what the previous slide indicated? Or is it this other one? I'm just trying to understand what is this 49 million based on if a lot of what they were doing before is now being removed and being services being performed by city employees. So are the city employees are they going to be a new group of city employees? Are we going to retrain these employees? Are we going to pay them more for taking on you know, additional responsibilities and duties? How does that work?
So I have a full PowerPoint that leads into that but I'll try to make it as succinct as possible. Yes, and going through with this over the past 14 months. Our goal was to take all of this in house which means we created all the positions as Detroit positions. We created the min max levels and everything. Then we put together the job descriptions we did that. Then we put them out we put them out and we're hiring people and we're hiring right now. For those who are listening. We're hiring to create a whole separate subset to oversee this. So that's what's taking place on that green. We're doing right now. Simultaneously. We went out for the RFP we're doing two things at once. To get the providers. It seemed like the provider piece was going to be the easiest piece. But out there are people the providers, we get it in and we move forward and then BAM transcends names down in there and that's where the the issues coming.
Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you, Mr. President potentate.
Thank you, Madam President. Thank you for being here, Director. Appreciate the work that you've done and working to help transform this department over the years. I know it's not an easy lift. We're getting better statements than we've gotten in the past, but clearly, we're not there yet. My question is in terms of the contract, and I think we were kind of going there, but I really like to know the contract that they're currently operating under. What are the terms should be able to at least
off the off the top of my head of procurement, we'll tell you but I can tell you what I remember. The original term. The original terms prior to this you're talking about the original was six years ago, it was a five year contract. It was a five year contract, and I believe the total total amount was something like around and again $7.4 million a year to provide the service and then each year there was an escalator as the escalator to move forward. That was based on ridership. So they guessed what the ridership was and went forward. It ended up that the ridership started being more so the actual cost started being more and then I think it looks like they weren't performing the way that the contract was meant to be. And that's why people have been upset over the years. And legitimately so based on the information that I've seen,
okay, so it looks like we're now talking around about $10 million a year is because it's a $49 million contract.
Five years. Yeah, give or take right over here would take us around I believe it's 13. But
so the and I know that you know, over time, inflation, all that goes up. But what's being taken out are items that they once were doing. I think part of what you I know what I'm hearing from from the community is, look, these folks have not done this. Right. Right. They have not done this right for a number of years. They have not done this right, even when you came in and help transform how wrong it was and what they were doing. I think what folks want to hear is where's the pain that trans they have has to suffer? Not so much get rid of the contract that you want anything physically harmful to happen to them, but where do they quote unquote lose, if you will, in terms of reputation in terms of dollar amount, because again, when you see this contract transductive $10 million a year, which is higher than what it was previously, when it came to us. We now have the city employees doing some of the services that trans deaf just couldn't get right. And these are very important. These are people facing things not just stuff behind the scenes where folks don't see but the stuff that really makes us look good or bad is what now is being taken away from them. And I'm glad that your department is willing to step up and do it and actually have the capability. But I think this is what we're I want to hear but certainly the community those who have been complaining for years, about trans dip, where do they quote unquote, lose? Where's the Yeah, I'll just leave it at that. What are they?
Where's the pain? Yeah, where's
the pain I
understand. How do I answer this? Okay. So first of all, the dollar amount is higher for various reasons, various reasons. That we have put things in this RFP that everybody wanted that cost money, again, $15 per trip $40 per trip, that money is to be passed through for various things that are required, better vehicles, better pay for the operators. So even though you're here and there were a transit, and they hear it's these three entities and I wish that were here is these three entities that the pastor is going to benefit.
Can I just add to that briefly? I've been doing paratransit for 36 years I started out as a paratransit bus. Operator, my hometown of Cincinnati, Ohio, and I've operated paratransit services throughout the United States. While public transportation may be rather large community, the complementary paratransit community is a much smaller community. One of the first questions it's going to be asked of perhaps council members executive director may, why Detroit changed the model. And the obvious answer is going to be because they weren't getting what they needed to get from Transdev and they took responsibility for that. So within that larger public transportation community within the smaller subset of complementary paratransit, is it going to have a lasting impact on a multinational company's reputation? I don't know. But the question is going to be raised. Why did the model change in Detroit? And the answer is going to be because Transdev under the old model could not deliver the type of service that the citizens of Detroit expected and should have received.
And to piggyback on that, that means that as they move forward and they go for business, other places, they have to come to us to ask what their performance level was, and their performance. level at the time when they were operating. All of that would not get a good review. That will probably be the only way other than that, because it goes through an RFP process. We have to follow the structure and all of that stuff. But I understand that people want to hear, you know, transit was in there, but don't give them x or don't give him why it was part of the proposal.
What are the budget implications for the department seeing that we're absorbing some of those tasks that they were once charged with doing? I don't know if this was anticipated during the budget budget process? What are those costs?
So overall bringing Transportation and Housing I don't know if you recall, I brought a bunch of presentations forward. One was looking at nine options on how to run it. Then we went through public comment, it went down to four and then we chose the one we chose. We showed that at the time, we were spending about $9.8 million to provide transportation at this time, but then move forward to bring it in house. And to do this model we need an extra 5 million so the total was 15 million in which City Council approved and when you new city council came I did a presentation that showed it again. So the total amount is $15 million already in the budget. And it is not federally funded. It's worked into the budget with the same respect that fixed route is worked into the budget. So it was brought to a whole other level for us to bring everything in house. So the total amounts 15 million versus 10 million.
And then my last question is in terms of like metrics for the training, what does that stand how do we how do we as a body if we approve this contract hold folks accountable for that aspect?
Well within within the RFP it was very specific about the type and the amount of training for the paratransit bus operators. So again, contract manager who will be a DDOT employee, and I will be involved in the auditing of that process. As it relates to the overall metrics. What we're going to be looking to do is providing a higher level of service it's safe, reliable, customer oriented, cost effective safe, what's the accident injury rate on time? There's a standard in the RFP of 95% of the pickups or appointment times being made on time. As it as it relates to the cost effectiveness. We're looking at the productivity of the system, how many? How many troops are we transacting an hour and then the biggest piece is a customer oriented or not. So we'll be looking at our complaints versus the number of trips that we transact and all that information obviously we'll be collecting and will be reporting that out as directed by city council or whomever else
right the key performance indicators will be public. Thank you Mr. President.
Thank you proton Member Santiago Remo. Oh, Madam President, I have no comments. I ready to move this forward. If there are no other questions or comments from my colleagues, and then member Young had the last hand race.
Yeah, um, first of all,
direct
Okay, first of all, I just want to say thank you, Director Oglesby. Appreciate that you actually took the time to listen to our disabled community and their citizens and you'll come up with the best program necessary in order to solve these issues. I just want to ask you a different question. What happens if this contract isn't approved in your from your perspective? What happens to what happens to the services that are provided what happens to this server paratransit service?
Well, you've approved 30% So I know I'll be able to run 30% If we went back to the drawing board, this took about a year. I don't know if the result would be any different based on the fact that all of the providers had the opportunity to and we actually reached out also to make sure that they did, but I can assure you that I can run 30% of the service at the end. On January 1, what does that look like? 30% Terrible it's not it's not 30% And I'm service complaints will go up.
To find out what terrible means. Let me just give you just that kind of doomsday scenario a little bit. If you
think that complaining about trans stuff was a problem. When we take it over. It'll look like we didn't do anything. So we'll be
going iconified it'll be 300 trips instead of 1000 a day.
Right. That we can provide transit to and to top it off, we also have new freedom, which I intend on moving forward. It was going to end at the end of the year. I intend on move bringing it forward to say we're going to do it for another year when we bring it on board. And typically new freedom is only filled when there's availability of vehicles. So if there's no avail availability to vehicles, I'll have the program but I won't be able to service it. Thank you.
Thank you member Doha.
Thank you, Madam President. And again, you know, we've had these conversations in the disability Task Force, we're still following up on some things as well. I noticed that a couple members even at this table asked questions about the length of the contract. We didn't have an opportunity to chime in from law or the office. Of the CFO. So Madam President, pending some of that information and the fact that we've been at this table all day, and those answers probably won't come in this session. I'd like to make a motion to postpone this at least for one week, to have the ability to have those questions answered. As well as you know, maybe try to find an alternative to where folks can support it for this contract,
thank you remember there? Ha. So there's a motion to postpone the contract for one week. Is there any discussion? Yes, member Benson.
Maybe I missed this. So what's the alternative to what's being proposed? I understand that there was a discussion. There's no percent less listening finish on 70% less trips provided for that community. But if this is fails, what does paratransit look like in the city of Detroit?
We don't have an alternative right now. Right? So so that the world will be short 70% of the service and remember, the request would be to go back to transmit and negotiate less and they're currently carrying out the contract to the end. And we'll be
subject to whatever their responses and was the contract end.
End of the year, so we're going to start January 1, so and will be summer. So we need to have an
alternative
by one January Are they accurate? Yes. But there is no alternative
and this body goes on recess, the fourth week of November. So we need to have if this fails, then we need to have you come back with something well, we will not have service unless there's a carryover provision for transit. Was there a carryover? Present provision?
We can speak up Miss Maddox. I was having trouble hearing this.
Is there a carryover provision if this fails?
To tell you the truth? I don't think so. I can look and see I remember that when we extended it one year I was told specifically by city council to make sure that it is the end. So I believe we drew it up as such. Okay. Thank you.
Hey, thank you. So I guess the idea here today is to postpone it for one week not to vote it down. You know, with the historical issues of trans Dave, I think we could you know try our hardest to strengthen what is before us right now. And so I guess the motion before it's per member Doha is to postpone to possibly look at how we could possibly amend the contract or provide extra protections for counsel as relates to the performance of the contract. So I support just a one week bring back does that hinder? The department at all Mr. Director, Oglesby
doesn't necessarily hand it apartment, but I just want to put things into perspective and then we can move forward that said the companies are waiting to do the investments that are needed that we put on them, including purchasing new vehicles. I personally know that if I wanted to buy it Taurus tomorrow, I couldn't get one back January. So we have them on hold waiting to see if they have a contract specifically, people's may be in better shape. They may be able to run out and do it but some of the other providers that are underneath, they'll raise pretty big but the other local providers, one is a Detroit based provider under Transdev will not be able to will most likely would not invest on move forward until then. It was delayed a week, a week ago, and it's delayed and I think they're getting a little antsy. So I want to make sure they stay on board, because at any given time.
We don't have a car. We also don't want the contract to be voted down either. Absolutely. I just wanted to put it in perspective. That's all and I'm putting that into perspective. They council members are not at a point where they're comfortable. The whole contract could be voted down and then we're back at a situation where you already mentioned that services will be impacted to Detroiters. So there was a motion to postpone it for one additional week to allow additional conversations to take place. Are there any objections? All right, hearing none that motion is approved to postpone for one additional week. All right, thank you, Director Oglesby. We appreciate your patience. Thank you. Thank you. All right, colleagues, we are getting through this from the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development in grants.
Do believe? I believe we still have 17 points.
Sorry. 17.66. All right, Member Santiago Ramiro. Thank you, Madam President. Motion to approve 17.6 All right motion has been made are there any objections? Hearing none, the one resolution will be approved. From the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development in grants
councilmember Santiago Merrill, five resolutions line and 17.7 to 17 point 11.
Councilmember Santiago Ramiro. Thank you Madam President. I motion to approve line item 17.7 through 17 point 11. All right, motion has been made in the this is for the approval of various grants. Are there any objections? Hearing none the five resolutions will be approved. We will now move Yes,
before we go to new designs before we get too far. I would like to request a waiver on line item 16 point 11 through 16 point 14. Those are the NEC and other incentives that we provided today unanimously by the spine
16 point 11 To 16 point 14 To 16 point 14. And colleagues you mentioned that these are various easy's in abatements that were approved. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that motion is approved. Whereas 16 1516 point 50 Yes. And what what is that remember? The CDBG contract for reprogramming motion has been made are there any objections? Hearing none, that motion is approved.
Madam President, if I may um, pardon me. If I can request a waiver for 14.1 14.3 14.4 That's known as a 14.1 Is it pilot for Trumbull crossing? 14.3 Is it an easy certificate for John R 14.4 as the NZ certificate for 1242 Fisher and East Village.
Colleagues, are there any objections to the waiver? Hearing none that motion will be approved. We will now move to the new business portion of the agenda from the mayor's office.
Councilmember young five resolutions line items 18.1 through 18.5.
Councilmember Yang
Thank you, man. Thank you, Madam
President. I like to move to approve light on those 18.1 through 18.5
motion has been made and this is the approval of various city events. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the five resolutions will be approved from the Office of contracting and procurement.
Madam President, there are two contracts up for vote today from the Neighborhood and Community Services Standing Committee on contracts for general services. First up we have contract number 60047041 2%. ARPA funding public safety to provide construction services to restore and renovate the Detroit Police Department hangar at 11349 Connor street contractors W three construction company total contract amount $336,989. The next contract is contract number 6004767. Want to present city funding to provide fire vehicles repair services, labor and or parts contract is Kodiak. emergency equipment Inc total contract amount $120,000 Councilmember yo two resolutions Lyrans 18.6 and 18.7.
Councilmember Young,
thank you Madam President. I move to approve Latiff 80.6 and 18.7.
Discussion?
Yes discussion, Madam Chair, relative to line item 18.6. In committee, we had using member Young's term, a very robust conversation about this contract, and I absolutely oppose it. I absolutely oppose this contract. For one reason we're using opera dollars for this hanger. We're talking about $13,000 conference rooms and $26,000 for a complete makeover of a kitchen. These dollars should be used for affordable housing, Madam Chair and I said that during the committee meeting, and I say that again today. So I'm asked Madam Chair, do we have a roll call on number? line item 18.6. All right, discussion
member Young.
Thank you, Madam President. I'm always a pleasure. Talking with my colleague and vice chairwoman Callaway. There's excellent job on the committee and I'm very blessed to have her on the committee. I just personally think that in my opinion, police funding should be going towards police services that are unnecessary. I think when you're losing 28 officers a month and you lose an officer a day and 90% of that is due to economic concerns. We need to use the money that we have in our police budget to actually deal with issues of either getting more officers or actually towards doing policing things. Now, let's be clear about why we need this hangar you're having the helicopter, which the purpose of having the helicopter in the first place was so that we could reduce car chases, because one you had instances where it was dangerous for the pursuer being the police officer but also the pursuit where you've had people who are in high speed chases who have crashed their cars and died on impact. So we have these helicopters for the purposes of being able to prevent that and also be able to track people who are doing donuts in front of people's yards and who are engaging in illegal street racing in the light. But also the reason why we have this hanger is because one you have people who are on call from all times a day at all times that night. And I think it's very important that they have a proper place for them to be able to get the rest that they need so they can perform their duty at the most optimal level because they're going to be called out usually involved in car chases and high speed which I think everyone in the city everywhere where I have gone. This has been a significant issue about what are we going to do about our young people out there gazing at this something activity. So I think until we actually provide alternatives until we actually provide places where they can express that talent and skill set. I think it's important for us to be able to invest in this hangar. I think it's important for us view to invest in our police officers. And I think it's important for us to be able to reduce crime as well. And I think that we need to provide the best possible place in order to do that and use funds that are outside of money that should go directly towards policing for that. And so that's why I supported this. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you and Miss Fulton, come back on I just want to be clear. City council did appropriate money in various categories, one of which was DPD. And so they are entitled to use and put for various projects and contracts. Based on the amount that was appropriated to their particular department. And so this money is coming from DPD. ARPA allocated money Correct. Not taking from anywhere else, housing or etc. Through the Chair. That is correct. Okay, I just wanted to make sure it is coming from Public Safety's appropriation. Member Young.
Thank you. Thank you, man. I also forgot just want to say really quickly, when I'm talking about alternatives, I'll meet about race tracks and things where people can actually or drag race where people can actually engage in these types of ability and working with our partners. And I'll be talking about that at a later date. But that's I just wanted to clarify that's what I meant. Because I know we can't just arrest our way out of this problem. And we do want to encourage our young people to engage and be involved in racing and the industry. We just have to provide a positive avenue for them to do that. Thank you.
Thank you. Member Benson had his hand raised followed by member Callaway. Alright, thank
you. And just to reinforce this is in the third district and this is located at the City Airport, and I'm not sure how many my colleagues have had an opportunity to visit if you haven't, I would suggest you go the hangar at that location is austere. To use a word at best terrible will probably even a better description, the living conditions of our pilots and men and women who fly the helicopter and support that piece of equipment. And so this gets our first responders into basic living conditions that will with support, they're living, they're sleeping there and working there. And I believe we need to do look at all of our assets. Where are our employees work, especially our fire stations, especially our other police precincts where they have been living in austere conditions and working conditions for decades. This is a great opportunity to start this process is a great investment. And I also suggest looking at ARPA funds as these are once in a lifetime dollars. And so when you get these type of dollars, you also invest in infrastructure. And this is an opportunity to invest in infrastructure which then gives you money opportunity to free up your general fund to support the great programs that this body demands and receives and our residents have come to expect and so this is just another way to invest. It's something that has to be invested in you have to invest in your house you have to invest in housing your employees and your residence. And this is another way to do that using once in a lifetime money. Thank you.
Thank you any additional Yeah, just remember California.
Thank you madam chair again. I do not believe that our per dollar should be used to renovate a hangar i don't know i don't know what else to say. We we thought that $7 million from America was going to go toward ShotSpotter. To address crime in our city we were able to find or DPD DPD was able to find $7 million under their own budgets OVER THE SHOP ShotSpotter was not funded by ARPA dollars but large conference room $10,000 administrative office $7,000 administrative this isn't the hangar administrative office be $14,000 bathroom and shower $15,000 a locker room area I'll just want the public to hear this $36,000 kitchen area $20,000 are per dollars. Kitchen area cabinets, close to $50,000 hallway area $7,700 sleeping quarters $19,000 single use bathroom $25,000 a ceiling or ceiling $14,000 lighting the $11,000 HVAC system $14,000 paint $24,000 Bond and insurance using Arper dollars $41,000 contingency I still don't know what that is $16,000 So again, I do not believe that our per dollar should be used to renovate a hangar. The money is in DP DS budget and that's where it should come from. Thank you Madam Chair. Member waters
thank you so much, Madam President. I appreciate the fact that DPD is using some of their allocated ARPA dollars. And remember Benson did state that it is a once in a lifetime opportunity for DPD to really take on some much needed much needed renovations and all of those things that they need in order to do their job. Ordinarily, I might be opposed to something like this but I but but I can see where it makes sense that they use their ARPA dollars I certainly do not want it to come out of their general fund. And the reason is because I need them to get busy hiring some some police officers that we can use out in our communities. We only have a certain window to properly use these are for dollars. And so here's a unique opportunity there to make the necessary renovations and the police department is just so so critical for this city. So it's a unique opportunity for them to do the necessary some necessary upgrades so that they can properly do their job and better take care of the people in the city. And that's just kind of my own view on it. Madam Madam President. I do support.
Thank you. All right. Thank you member waters. So member Young has moved these for approval 18.6 through 18.7 motion has been made. Are there any objections?
Objection? The clerk would note.
Which light you just take the line item member come on. We
haven't had a discussion on 18.7 Madam Chair, we were still discussing 18.6 So are we on 18.6? Are we combining them? Dr powers
the motion was to move for approval 18.6 and 18.7.
Alright, is there still discussion for 18.7?
Yes, please. Madam Chair.
Discussion member Callaway.
Yes, thank you Madam Chair. We also had a robust conversation about this particular contract as well. We have companies in the city of Detroit we've been doing this business for over 32 years. We just awarded another contract almost similar to this to a company in Warren, Michigan. We were able to carve out a quarter of a million dollars for a Detroit based company due to some of the work that the Warren company was awarded $12 million contract to do. We do have companies again that can do this work. In the city and I just don't know why or provide I think was propane liquid. We did get to the bottom of this contract because there were some misunderstanding of what this contract represented. I thought it was a product con contract but it came out during the discussions and questions that this is a product and a service type contract. So I do oppose this contract. And for the reasons that stated during the committee meeting, I think it was last week that this particular contract should be going to in my opinion, a Detroit based company a minority or woman owned company. Thank you Madam Chair, and I'll continue to say that thank you Madam Chair.
Thank you. Any further discussion on these two line items? All right, hearing no further discussion, motion has been made for approval for 18.6 in 18.7. Are there any objections? Objection, Madam Chair. All right, starting to win member Callaway.
I just want to be noted as a note on 18.6 and 18.7. And thank you,
thank you member waters.
Thank you. No on 18.7
Thank you, Mr. Clark. If you could show me a note one 18.7 gusano Are there any other objections? Hearing none, the two resolutions will be approved. The Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development and grants
councilmember Santiago Merrill several resolutions line items 18.8 To 18 point 14,
Councilmember Santiago Romero. Thank you, madam president a motion to approve line items 18.8 through 18 points 14. All right. Thank you motion has been made in this is for the acceptance of various grants. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the seven resolutions will be approved from 18 point 18.8. And this is a grant for the air quality bus replacement grant. Are there any objections? Hearing none that action will be taken from the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development and grants
council member EO two resolutions line items 18 point 15 and 18 point 16
Councilmember Young.
Thank you, Madam President. I move to approve line items 18 point 15 and 18 point 16.
All right. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none, the two resolutions will be approved.
waiver and 18.64.
All right. motion has been made for a waiver for the Accepting of a donation of the basketball court for the County, Minnesota Park. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken. Under resolutions,
Councilmember Benson two resolutions line items 18 point 17 and 18 point 18.
Never been some motion has been made and this is to waive the privilege from the law departments memorandum dated October the 17th Regarding the city's ability to ban flavored tobacco and that is to privilege and confidential memorandums. Are there any objections to waive the privilege? Hearing none the two resolutions will be approved because waivers from both a waiver has been requested. Discussion?
Yeah, I just I just have a question. Like, wait, why are we doing this? I don't know if I addressed this to the law department or LPD. But what what is this Do? Waving waving this privilege just kind of tell me what what why is this necessary? Mr. Whitaker,
you waive the privilege to allow for further fuller discussion on the issues raised in the privilege document otherwise you would not be talking about a privileged document as it started client privilege. Right, right. To do it in a closed session.
I just want to be some clarification. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, man for some time,
no problem. All right. There was a waiver requested for those two line items. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken by the president's report on standing committee referrals and other matters for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee through
reports of various city departments. That three reports will be
referred to the budget Finance and Audit standing committee for the internal operation standing committee
13 reports on various city departments.
The third team reports will be referred to the internal operations standing committee for the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee
to report some of their city departments.
So reports will be referred to the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee for the Planning and Economic Development. Standing Committee.
Eight reports from various city departments.
Eight reports will be referred to the Planning and Economic Development standing committee for the public health and safety standing committee
20 reports from various city departments.
The 20 reports will be referred to the public health and safety Standing Committee under the consent agenda.
There are no items Madam President,
we will now call for a motion to suspend our member reports discussion. All right motion has been made. Hearing no objections we will suspend our member reports president yes remember Benson first waiver 1811 and 18 three, you can state what those are please 18 Three
Petitioner Detroit for in the conservancy downtown Detroit partnership for event, of course will beginning on the 18th and November eighth 2011 Is the pedestrian bicycle overtime enforcement branch.
Right motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that action will be taken. Madam Chair. Yes, I was coming to you. Miss Fulton.
Thank you so much. And apologies through you to this honorable body it was brought to my attention that DPD does indeed need to postpone the vote if you would, for the hangers contract or remove it automatically in totality. This was an error. They are going to revisit this matter. And I know you did vote on it, but it will be greatly appreciated.
All right. So
motion to reconsider 18.6
There's a motion to reconsider 18.6 And before we do that, Dr. Powers So Miss bullets and can you just clarify Do you want us to remove it from the agenda altogether?
Madam Chair,
that is correct. And if you can give some explanation behind what's going on?
Absolutely. DPD operations advised that they're going to revisit this at the beginning of the year. They're currently looking at the hangers and there may be a possibility for them to revise this contract, or do some further due diligence and that is why it's being requested that it
be removed.
That's not sound right. Yeah, it's there's a lot of questions. And some concerns as to why we're here to date. Council members that requested though to reconsider our vote. Is there further discussion on this line? Item objection. President chair we already voted. Yes. Yes.
Thank you and apologies to this honorable body. I do believe that the department OCP do need to be on one accord and that is why we're requesting it be removed.
All right. Member young you motion to reconsider. Is there any objection to reconsider our vote for that was the line item 18.6. Objection. Still discussion? All right member business.
This has been through committee was held for a week we had a long discussion this afternoon. Why at this late stage after the contract has been approved, all we now getting a request to remove
this false and if you can come back on.
Absolutely. Thank you. I'm doing some typing in the interim. Yes, agreed. Madam chair to member Benson it was brought to my attention that this item needed to be removed yesterday and through miscommunication with the department. They needed to actually not have this move forward. I did double check to try to confirm however it was brought to my attention now that we cannot move forward with this. And that is why OCP in the department need to sink up on this before we bring this back to your honorable body. The need is still in place. We do need these hangers. However operationally OCP and the department need to do their due diligence and have further conversation and discussions.
So why don't they Why don't the on consent why doesn't this work after was approved
through the chair to member Benson. I can definitely follow up with your office in writing after this meeting. But at this time it was brought to my attention that we cannot move forward with this contract via DPD. Thank you.
To the President that doesn't answer my question, but thank you.
No, I don't. Yeah, it's very clear that questions haven't been answered. And so I guess at this point, we need to decide if we're going to reconsider our vote the motion is on the floor. Objection. We have one objection. All right, member Benson in support, support
support, taking them out but I can't support that. I'm going to vote for it again when it comes. Okay. We want it off as support.
All right, so we have two objections to reconsider. The motion is approved to reconsider and member young if you can now motion to remove it from the agenda.
Alright Madam president I moved to I moved to remove line item 18.6 from the agenda.
All right, motion has been made to remove 18.6 from the agenda. Are there any objections? Objection? All right, if the clerk would no member Benson and member Callaway and then Miss Fulton if you could please provide more detailed responses to all of the council members as soon as you can. That would be very helpful. Okay.
Absolutely. My apology says honorable body. Thank you. All right.
Thank you. Yes,
madam chair to Dr Pompe to Dr ponders powers powers I'm sorry powers. ponders. Okay. That was with Gamma Phi Delta, I'm sorry. Through the Chair to Dr. Powers. what has just happened because we've already voted for a contract. And now we have the administration wanting us to unbolt what we've already voted on. So I don't understand what we're doing here. Because we've already voted on it. It was voted up.
Yeah. When they know that. We consider votes all the time, Madam Chair, leading to Dr. Powers, the weaker we reconsider, vote. I just want to hear the explanation. Showers go right ahead.
Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair.
If I may, Madam Chair first say that you should announce the vote for the removal. You didn't you did
that motion is approved. Thank
you ma'am to remove Yes. Dr. Powers now, relative to member calories question. reconsiderations are appropriate as long as we're still in the meeting. And as a result of this particular reconsideration, rather than approving the contract, it has been removed at the request of the department. So that means it doesn't matter that that the body approved it. This motion that just took place to remove it is the one that would stand.
Madam Chair, by the way. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I think the administration has wasted our time. I do believe that they because they said their contract should not have been on the agenda. Why didn't we get that information before we even get to that line item has spent almost 3040 minutes talking about it just to sit up here and vote on it and now we're reconsidering the bulk. So if the administration news feels like we're being dog walked around here, I don't know, improper statement I read. We take that back, but I'm just saying Madam Chair, that we have sat here for 3040 minutes talking about this contract that they knew that they were going to pull back and withdraw Why sit here and talk about it and vote on it. And then for them to come back and say oh, by the way, we didn't want that. On the agenda. That's disrespectful to this body. Thank you Madam Chair.
Thank you remember Doha? Well, damn discussion, Madam Chair. All right. Is that appropriate? Okay, okay. In debate or discussion, okay, we're gonna continue. On. What committee were we on here was declared your adoption under adoption. All right. So we suspended our member reports. And now we are on can you Mr. Clerk continue for me
under under adoption without committee reference there. Nobody was madam president
under the consent agenda. We ever do that? Okay. Sorry. I'm sorry. We're under communications from the clerk. A report on approved proceedings by the mayor. That report will be received and placed on file under testimonial resolutions and special privilege.
Councilmember Whitfield Callaway, a resolution Lanham 29.1.
Member Callaway,
thank you Madam Chair. I'm kind of exhausted. But thank you so much. I would like to read this and my dad's memory and honor if you all will indulge me. Thank you so much to your office. You've been so supportive. Of getting this resolution typed up and formed and I want to thank Miss Bless them. Bless men. And thank you Madam Chair, for allowing her to work with my office to make this happen. My dad was born in Columbus, Mississippi in 1931 to Turner Whitfield and Julian Assange weathers, he was their only child. He attended union Academy in 1950. And in a small town like that there were not very many African Americans to even graduate from high school or even matriculate pass elementary school because they were busy working the fields. So I'm very proud of my dad for even coming from the environment that he did in the home that he did that he was able to matriculate and was one of very few blacks to get a high school diploma. In 1950. He joined the United States Army and honorably served in the Korean War from 1950 to 1953. He was honorably discharged last rank was Corporal he received a Korean Service Medal with three bronze campaign stars and United Nations service medal. He married his childhood sweetheart, Virginia Hairston and Columbus, and we are part of the largest slaveholding family, the hair stuns in Pennsylvania, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Mississippi and Alabama. They're the hair students they come from, they're Dutch. And my mom grew up with some of her. Her cousins from the Hairston clan. You can look that up. There's been documentaries done on my mom's family and they're after they moved to Detroit, Michigan to raise their family. He was hired by Edward C. Levy, and Dearborn, Michigan. He was with them for 40 years. He never missed a day of work. He has all of his paycheck stubs for 40 years, I have all of my dad's paycheck stubs and then later on is not in the testimony or resolution at were Celebi open up a branch in Columbus, Mississippi. He loved the Detroit Tigers he was especially fond of Willie Horton, who he watched as a high school player and minor league at Northwestern baseball field. He was also an avid fan of the blues and had an extensive collection of blues recordings that are worth quite a bit of money right now. And whereas Joe was immensely proud of his family, he in Virginia instilled with their five children a deep appreciation for education and extraordinary work ethic. Out of those five children. There are two of us who are lawyers. One is a PhD who is now deceased. She was Kamala Harris's roommate, one who has the master's degree from John John Hopkins and my younger brother who's now deceased, served in the military with honors. He had an unshakeable faith in the Lord and accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior. He in Virginia made their children Okay. Make sure that they were raised in the church and I took on October the 17th. He made a history and his transition. He was preceded in death by his wife, Virginia and his youngest children, Joe Jr. and Dr. Gwendolyn Woodfill. He leaves to cherish his memory and legacy to his three children, Melvin, Cassandra, and Angela along with 10 grandchildren. Four great grandchildren, children and now there be it resolved on November the fifth that the Office of councilmember Angela Whitfield Callaway and the Detroit City Council expresses our deepest sympathy and hereby join family and friends and celebrating the life and legacy of Joe ally. Woodfill senior and thank you Madam Chair.
Thank you. One, thank you so much member Callaway in, of course we are going to move that for approval, Hearing no objections that resolution will be approved. And we do have one Yes, ma'am. request a waiver waiver has been requested, Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And we do have a walk on resolution by councilmember Johnson. Member Johnson.
Thank you, Madam President move to walk on a resolution to support free and fair elections.
All right. The clerk does have this copy.
Remember, I do also want to I do have I want to note that it is on the agenda. So referral 21 point 1121
point 11. Yes. Okay. All right. So we can just remove 21 point 11 there, no one moved it to move. You want to just move into new business. Number Johnson.
Thank you, Madam President. I'd like to move line item 23.1 to new business 21 point 1121 point 11 to new business.
All right, motion has been made. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And Mr. Clerk,
Councilmember Johnson a resolution and this is a line item 21 2011 With regards to resolution to support free and fair elections.
Number Johnson.
Thank you, Madam President. If you all will indulge me I will read very briefly very quickly through this whereas the mission of the Detroit City Council is to promote the welfare of all Detroit citizens through charter mandated legislative functions. And whereas the city of Detroit, the largest and most populous city in Michigan, and its elected officials have a well documented commitment and history of advocating for social justice and civil liberties including accessibility to the voting booth for its citizens. And whereas the Detroit City Council was committed to partnering and contracting with businesses that also supported the principles of social justice and free and fair access to the democratic process. of voting for the citizens it serves. And whereas responsible corporate citizenship is an expectation of the businesses located within the borders of the city and or do business with the city of Detroit. And whereas some businesses located within the borders of the city and or do business with the city of Detroit have been scrutinized for providing financial support to individuals and causes that restrict voter access to the polls, thereby circumventing the rights of Detroit is and further undermining our democracy. And whereas it is especially imperative that businesses that do business with the city of Detroit are committed to advancing and protecting the civil rights and wellbeing of Detroit citizens says money spent with these businesses are taxpayer dollars. And whereas a business's corporate practices should align with the values and philosophies they publicly promote, and the values of the customers they serve in Detroit, which include denouncing racial inequality and disenfranchisement. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Detroit City Council on this day November 1 2022, does hereby call upon the businesses located within the borders of the city and or do business with the city of Detroit to exercise responsible corporate citizenship. And to support social justice and free and fair access to the democratic process for the citizens of Detroit. Therefore, be it further resolved that the Detroit City Council urges businesses located within the borders of the city and or do business with the city of Detroit to immediately align their spending with values and philosophies that support free and fair access to the democratic process for all citizens. Therefore, be it further resolved that the Detroit city clerk is directed to send this resolution to Mayor Mike Duggan, the Detroit Regional Chamber, the Michigan Chamber of Commerce, the Michigan Black Chamber of Commerce and the National Business League and to posted conspicuously on the city's website.
Thank you so much, member Johnson for submitting this. I'm not sure if we were open to putting this on behalf of the council. Perhaps council would like this. Alright. So the clerk would know on behalf of the council and thank you for putting this forward. motion has been made for approval. Are there any objections? Hearing none, that motion is approved. And before we end, just two quick things, one want to remind my colleagues that the residents of Detroit are eagerly waiting for the reparations taskforce to be seated and so I know all of us do have appointments to make. And so we can submit our memos to the clerk's office with your appointment to go to Councilmember Johnson's committee so that we can start our interview process. I know we probably won't be finished before the end of the year, but hopefully we can get some interviews started and so just kind of heads up in a reminder that everyone does have an appointment to that committee. I also want to wish deontae A Happy belated birthday from the clerk's office. And stars are so well asked to read all of those contracts. And we appreciate you thank you so much for all that you do. And then lastly, of course want to remind all of the residents that we do have an election next Tuesday, and so Council will not be in session. Our formal session will take place the following day on Wednesday at 10am. But of course we would encourage everyone to exercise their right to vote. This is a critical election. We know that there's so many things that are on the ballot before us and so make sure as Mr. Waters just said take yourself to the polls and get out and vote. And so with that being said, we can move on to that as it actually so thank you for your patience today. Everyone Everyone Have a blessed evening. And if there's nothing else to come before this body this meeting will now stand adjourned. At 406