#37 Service Dynamics With Svc. Provider Jenny
2:04AM Apr 7, 2020
Pod Pod Cvlt Cast
Hey everybody, how's it going? Hello, hello.
Hi. Oh, hi. Hey. Great.
So we have we have a we have an extra we have an extra voice with us tonight. friend of ours Jenny is on with us.
Hey, Oh, hi. Hi, how you doing? I am doing how are you? We're
we're also doing yours talked about my friend doodle. And that's all that's
Oh, did you already have a noodle conversation?
No, not yet. No. Oh, how's my buddy?
Sleeping underneath my feet right now on her helipad. Well, that's her very
own PT pad because reasons.
Oh, you should tell max about noodles walks.
Oh, well. We've been going on walks twice a day for about a mile. She thinks that we're on a
long way for a little dog.
It is not. So here's a funny story about jack Russell Terrier. I want to read this newspaper article and it was talking about the type of dog you should pick based on your activity levels. I would say like, if you just want to go to the mailbox, a mag, you should get like a bulldog. But if you want to like run around the block a couple times maybe a golden retriever and if you want to like run a marathon, maybe a visa and at the very top it said if you want to hike the Blue Ridge trail should get a jack Russell but this is after we had her. I was like well, oh, well we're in it now.
Cuz they're, they're, you know, rabid dogs, so they're very active and very fast.
Oh, yeah. She never stops.
But for them tiny little legs. A mile is like 10 miles.
In human distances and her it's like 10 feet. We could do it 15 times a day and she'd never run out.
Like it's irrelevant.
Max is gonna steal your dog
No, we got the one that's that's
you can borrow her from time to time? No, I just visit Oh, I love her would love that.
They would love that. So yeah, Jenny is a friend of ours from the kink community. And she is pollyannish. And she's a bisexual friend. She identifies as a service provider and also a dominant lady. And I like how she described yourself as a dominant lady with her longtime partner, and she's been involved with a community for about 20 years. Well, I should say, let me correct myself with BDSM for about 20 years, but on and off with the community for what about eight years, you'd say?
Yeah, like I think my first forays into the community were meaningful. I was meeting folks in real life 20 years ago, but it was through like Yahoo and IRC and right things like that back in the day
or is it Relay Chat internet Relay Chat.
Yeah, it's very similar to our new podcast acumen community documenting community
as a whole different thing.
Which is it pod podcast.com slash community and hang out with us in their discord
was that so? You're there right now you're there? Yeah. Well, I'm not like, in there interacting with you right now. I thought that'd be weird.
I like weird.
And also talk to you.
That's not that weird, Hannah intro.
Oh, no, that's me. No,
Eric's entering intro.
Welcome to the Pod Pod Cvlt Cast, where we talk about life, love, learning and libido, and share our journey through polyamory. I am Erik.
I'm Jenny. Yay.
Don't feel Hey, you
know, you didn't pause long enough to wait for someone else to talk
or to see if I was gonna use one of my pseudonyms. Hey, in the bio Did you say polyamish?
Yes. Oh, okay, cool. Are you surprised by that definition?
Or Well, I mean, I haven't heard the definition yet. But uh, no, I'm not surprised by it at all. It kind of makes sense from what I know of you. But also, I was sort of surprised by the word. That's all. Yeah. Do you want to give a definition to what that means to you?
I don't know. Like it's work on I guess we're in theory, polyamorous, we're just not actively right now. Right. Okay.
So I mean, like monogamish kind of has a specific meaning. I didn't know if that had a specific meaning to you. That's I
don't think it has a specific definition. Just
it's just on what poll you put up that flag? Yes.
And that's where we're at today. So
all right. Excellent podcasting.
No kidding. So, Jenny and I have something in common. We are both dominant ladies. And we also both really love service. And she and I taught a class. When was that? Like two years ago? It was a while ago. 18,000 moons and go because now time doesn't mean anything. Yeah, we talk we taught a class about service and we did t service, right? Yes. We're both really passionate about service and the fact that service doesn't necessarily mean submissive. And on our last episode, this came up when we were talking about what we talked about last episode, I don't even remember the difference between acts that are explicitly Yes, topping or Donna dominant or bottoming or submitted, right, right and how those rules are so easy
we flipped, right?
Yes. So yeah, and what we what we sort of make assumptions about societally and so forth. Now, remember, thank you. So, so Jenny, how do you define service for yourself?
In this context, service is just a, an intentional activity that has meaning behind it, I suppose.
And that's like the most generic definition I could possibly give.
What would that entail? So what kind of what kind of things would that be?
Well, it can be anything really, it's what two people discuss and decide on if that thing has meaning to them. And they decide to call that service then out now that's service. So it can it can be anything from body worship, or getting someone a drink at a party to handling all the household bills, like just it's anything, anything.
Okay. So right now you're on our podcast and we negotiate share that beforehand, right? So this could be service.
It could I think, if we hadn't had that discussion and and that was the intent behind it.
But I am not doing this for you. I'm doing it for me. Right?
Well, what the hell are you getting out of it?
Does that mean that we're servicing?
Oh, oh, no. I mean, possibly you can be providing a service to the greater polyamorous community. I mean, you are.
Yeah, we're already into like lingo and, and terms and stuff. And we have a disclaimer.
Yes, disclaim. This is a podcast where we express our opinions about love and relationships, sex and kink polyamory and LGBTQ issues and whatever else comes up. While we talk about these things, we may also touch on stuff like violence, abuse and mental health challenges. These can be difficult topics. So keep that in mind. Moving on. Head.
So when we're talking about service, and we're talking about what we're getting out of it, it sounds like we have to have a goal in mind. So when you think about service for you, what kind of goals do you like to have in mind when you're thinking about service in your life? So for example, if if this podcast is something that is a service, what what are we providing as a service? I guess our goal would be to educate that's the service we provide right?
Entertain and entertain, to provide comedic relief.
Uh, yeah. So So what about you, Jenny? What do you think that with your with service in your life that you either enjoy receiving or that you enjoy giving? What are some goals or types of service that have goals attached
My brain is like fireworks right now with so many different examples. Okay, well yeah, just like, it could be like, your goal could be the pleasure of the person that you're with. The goal could be to make your, your little community a better place to live in, whether it's your key community or just your regular vanilla community. It could, it's anything from something really specific to something really broad. I think a lot of what people talk about in the kink community in terms of service is to provide pleasure to the person you're doing it for, is why you would do it. And that's like a really broad term, but it could be you know, you're making them have a better day, because you're giving them a massage and helping them relax. Or maybe you're talking about the skills you learn to do that. That can be a service. And the goal is still to make a pleasurable experience for your partner.
And we Last time, we were talking about You know, the implicit topping and bottoming dominance and submission stuff like we were talking about service topping, and sometimes that service isn't to ride pleasure. It's to beat the hell out of somebody if they want, right. Like, it can also be to provide pain if that's something they're looking for and an experience that can also be service.
Yes, what I'm saying pleasure, maybe it's a bad word for it.
No, I don't think it's about where I think maybe it's giving somebody what they want. Maybe, yeah.
filling a need.
Mm hmm. Probably fulfilling a need is the best way.
Yeah, so this is jumping around a little bit and probably would get into it later anyway. But do you find that for you personally, it's not just about capital or relationships, or
kink stuff or whatever. Like, do you find yourself being like a service kind of person in your work life? Then in your your relationships with like, family of origin and that kind of stuff, too. Oh, absolutely, like it ebbs and flows. I'm just like every other sort of identity that you have in life. I'm definitely at work. I'm the helpful person, you know, and the one who has become the go to for certain things because I learned how to do a whole lot of thing so that I could be useful. And for me providing service fulfills a need within me to be useful, whether that's at work or in my personal relationship.
Yeah, I have a lot of the same stuff like in my construction, my particular little piece of construction where I had a apprenticeship there are a lot of things about apprenticeships that are weirdly like DS relationships. But one of them is service like you always kind of provide service to the to your master and to the older guys on the job. And then as he learned stuff too. So I kind of found that parallel for myself too. When we really got into kink community and kink identity stuff, I found that like, I was cleaning other guys tools, because that's just the kind of person I am also related to, you know, doing scenes for people because I enjoy that kind of service. Also,
do you enjoy cleaning tools for other folks? Or no, I just, I just find it
as a matter of,
you know, I mean, it's a legitimate question I don't
particularly enjoy. But I find it as a matter of respect for guys that like, have taught me to do what I do. And you know,
it's sort of like, Hey, man, let me get that for you.
Oh, well, so it was a I mean, I can talk about this for a long time, but no, it was it was definitely a part of my apprenticeship that was just expected that at the end of the day, you couldn't get pools and you also clean your masters tools. This just
doesn't also help you like learn how to cleaning tools really well, why
impresses upon you the need for taking care of your things. Right, right. And you learn how important that is for both the longevity and the ease of use of your tools and stuff. And there's a thing that I note in young guys that I see on the job who didn't actually serve real apprenticeships, who just like worked for their dad or whatever, right? Where they don't understand the sort of like, nuances of those kinds of responsibilities and what's just like, polite, you know?
Yep, I can, I can second that. All of that. Having also done an apprenticeship. That was, like, half of it. It wasn't just the trade you're learning It was how to do the trade you we learned, you know,
right, and the respect for people who had been there and done it and brought you the things so that you could teach the next people the things right. Yeah, because that's what your next step was, was to bring along the newer crop.
Right. So it sounds like that type of service also relates to someone who's in a position of authority over you. Definitely, which is not the only way but the way we often see service Express, right, you're paying a special type of attention to the needs of somebody who is in authority.
So I just want to do kind of a quick, Round Robin, because we've already heard from now, Eric, and Jenny, and Max, about feeling sort of a in your professional lives and personal lives that aren't necessarily in a kink or sexual space, about having sort of a service oriented mind or person Hannah, this is something that you and I have talked about on the podcast before, but just for the listeners Now, can you talk briefly about how your relationship with service in your life in a vanilla sense?
I would definitely agree with that impulse to like make my time at work, whatever that drop has been. You're really focused and helpful and focused on others. And, you know, the customer service aspect of any job is always where my attention is naturally drawn. But that really has been like a lifelong thing. Honestly, since I was growing up to like, literally follow in somebody's footsteps is really satisfying, and just to give sort of undivided attention and try to, like, focus my skills on to somebody else's goals, which is the thing that could get you in trouble in life, I'm sure But it's also been a real asset, you know, in life and relationships and in the workplace to say like I am here, and I'm getting satisfaction out of serving a group or serving the goal of this situation, as opposed to maybe serving myself or trying to gain my own advantage out of a situation.
I identify with that really strongly, you know, and in my quote, unquote, corporate upbringing and was, you know, don't ever say no to an opportunity, because you don't know when that opportunity will come by again. And so I was always saying yes, and if I couldn't handle the workload, I would find a way to delegate it. But I enjoyed being a support person. And in my personal life, I enjoy being a support person. I enjoy serving my family and my house and I enjoy serving my, you know, like community and workload and like all of it, and creative ways and I find it challenging. I find that Like, it allows me to use all my talent and skills in very interesting ways. And so like, it's definitely just a part of my personality. And so I think that, like, it sounds like all of us have that as just part of who we are. And I don't know if it comes from upbringing or the, you know, communities in which we were raised or I don't know. But it sounds like all of us have that in us. And then we bring that into the relationships that we are entering into and the dynamics that we're entering into as people. Jenny, would you say that that's true for you?
I went that it's based on my upbringing or that
or that, that just like throughout your life, that it's really something that that has been a theme in your life, that it's always been something that you've enjoyed. Oh, absolutely. So I listened to your podcast last week, and I believe one of the things Hannah said was that when she first came in the community
she have things done to her. So she thought that she was submissive when someone told her what to wear, like nine o'clock or so, you know. Similarly, when I first got into the community I wanted to be, and like even for like, even 20 years ago, I thought I had to be a submissive because I wanted to be the one doing stuff for people. And it wasn't until I heard the term service submissive that I finally identified with something wholeheartedly, because and then later I listened to some other folks speak on it and, and they used the term service provider, because I'm not necessarily submissive. And that's why I've held on to that label for myself. So, to answer your question, yes. is where I was going with that.
I really liked that orientation service provider. I've always considered myself service oriented. You know, I'm a service oriented top. I'm a service oriented DOM. So So I think service provider is a great way to shape that. So thank you for bringing that into my lexicon.
Oh, yes. I think that I think there's like a, there's people that thinks that labels don't matter. And there's people that think that you do. And I think that labels are really important to yourself personally, but that it's important to make sure that you have the same definition of me, as everyone around me. So they understand what you're saying, when you hold on to that label.
Yeah, we agree. We agree. And I think, you know, I think you and I were at the same meeting when we heard somebody talk about the importance of like, speaking from the same dictionary. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, yeah, I think it's particularly in the kink world. Like I think it's a world where we tend to respect labels more than than otherwise, right? Like it's just part of the whole thing. Whether it is Dom or submissive or service or whatever, you know, we tend to say Like we really need these words who really need these labels. So everybody knows how to relate to each other and and what's going on.
So, interestingly enough, I think that in our maybe it's just our local community because I don't have a lot of experience with other local communities. But there is a definite difference between labels in online communities that are spaces that I've been exploring recently in real life entities. So that's why I say now it's important that everybody is has the same definition because I think that all of us have the same definition for a lot of words, but it may be because we grew up in this community. Can you can you expound on that or give it a give an example. For me, I thought that it was common knowledge that a top was a Dewar and a bottom was a receiver, right? And a dominant was A person in charge in a relationship and a submissive as a person in charge or person. Not in charge and relationship, right? Who gives up? Yes. But that is not common lexicon online. They they kind of use dominant for everything. Whether you're in charge in a relationship or dominant in the bedroom are dominant in this scene, like it's just, it's I've seen it used a lot that way.
Right? And, I mean, it's kind of wild speculation, but do you think is just because it's people who don't actually interact in the real world, and they can just sort of use words willy nilly, without, without any religion?
No, mate, Perhaps it's because the people that I interact with now are not from the same real life space as we are, and they're from different places in the world. So it could be it could be a language thing, because perhaps not everyone speaks English as fluently as we do. But it also could just Maybe that's what it was like for them growing up in their kink community and setting how those were these, but I do think there's there's definitely some folks that are just new and don't know, too. So,
yeah, I think it's safe to say that on the internet, a lot of people just misuse terms.
Eric has art resident label, deny, like that label, deny or label further
lately? I don't know what to say. Or label something or other. But yeah, Eric, wait, you you, you know, you don't subscribe to labels for yourself, really. You're just you know, you're just you. And you're also newer to the world of kink in terms of exposure. So,
but not in terms of exposing himself but not in terms of exposing
usually, no No, I don't, I don't subscribe as much to the importance of labels because that makes them inherently more rigid and or at the very least less fluid, less subject to change. And through that inherent rigidity, people can put too much stock into that and not see that a different label can actually be the exact same thing, which is kind of what you were saying already. Yeah, it's it. The context is more important to me than the label itself. That's, I think, the most succinct way that I know how to say that.
I agree with that. I wish I could remember where I read but it's been years ago now and I haven't come across it again. I was reading an article that was talking about how in the business world for a long time we really had to labels it was leaders and followers and you want to be a leader because that's how you succeed in business. And this article was saying, actually, there's a third group of people that we don't have a name for, who are people who just rise to the moment, right? If there's a gap in leadership, they step forward. And then when a better leader comes along, they easily
roll their switch.
crucial part of a stable
and it's brought me so much joy. I think that like at least once a week, I want
to be that person. I mean,
you know, in baseball, we call that a utility infield. Yeah. There there are terms for that, but they're not agreed on. I
mean, interest industry, apparently, we call it me. Because there's shortfalls on both sides to have to fill those gaps.
I mean, you fill that gap? Well,
you know, just just well, while we're talking about terminology, and then we can just go back to talking about services and stuff. But while we're talking about terminology, I think That like the only place where there is a rigidly defined rule of what all terms mean is religion, right? Because we've had, you know, several thousand years of universities and scholars and and people in leadership saying these are what these things mean. And we all have to agree on them. And that's what they mean. And that's the end of it. And anything else in the world? Whether it's
business you mean Western religion?
No. All Eastern religion has the same thing.
Yeah. But like religion as a concept,
anything else in the world, whether it's business or kink or whatever, like, Oh, you have is like kinky business? Yes. Like all you have is people writing books and saying, This is what I think it means or small groups of people getting together and saying, This is what we think it means. Like you don't have an international like body that rules on this This is what this word means and what it will mean for the next 2000 years.
You know, so,
yeah, I mean, I all terms are sort of fungible, not just in the kink world, but in all worlds really.
And I'm going to let the dog out.
Who has a dog out, Max? Max, Max, Max, Max, Max. Thank you.
A brief, brief, brief, brief, brief.
Brief nine times.
That wasn't nine times off topic, so people who are in any way involved in legal sex work, so camming, sex coaching, anything that could be considered lewd or not able to apply for any kind of small business loans. So if they're, you know, independent contractors and things like that, like so, states are allowing them to apply for unemployment right now, but they're not allowed to. They can't qualify for any of the small business loans that are being given out by the government right now. Because of some conditions in there that say that they are not giving money to anybody who does anything dirty. That sucks, right? Yeah. makes me sad. So that was it. That's all I had say about that.
Just as an aside to nothing.
So what kinds of service Do you specifically enjoy? Like, what's your favorite sort of service? If you had your druthers right now, what would you be doing
to receive service I really like body service and that's like a general term for those that don't know about just like body care for someone home. So I really like having like taking a bath and having someone brush my hair and
put lotion on me and that sort of thing. I find it really
It's very intimate. Yeah. And there's a lot of trust involved with that.
Yes, very much.
And it's personal. And
it's no because my mind, I am not an exhibitionist. So my body is for me and my partner. And that's it. So if I allow them access to that, that's really special. And special in terms of providing service, like I think my, maybe the broadest term would be like a maid. But that means like a housekeeper, but maybe also a lady's maid. That's been my thing lately,
a lady's maid.
So it would be like for example, if y'all were hosting a party, and I came over and did check ins hair and her makeup and helped her get dressed and put her shoes on and you know make sure throughout the night that she's presentable and that sort of thing so like that like really gets my motor going
does that also with a lady in waiting was
no it those are I think I'm waiting and waiting to send it to you as functions that perhaps well maybe they didn't get it right so
sometimes ladies maids were chosen from lesser royalty and it was considered a like an honor to be chosen and to be able to attend court to get to dress royalty and hear their secrets and be their
And White their bottoms and things like
that. I'm not feminine weapon anybody. Right? Right. Oh, man.
Right. Yeah, it's it's sort of like having a sort of like having a personal secretary in the Edwardian sense of the word not the 60s skirt chasing sense of the word. Hi, it's Justin from a pod podcast if you love listening to the podcast if you're having a good time right now, we encourage you to check out our Patreon, visit our website, pod podcast.com. Slash support the pod find out everything you need to know about our membership levels about our community that's brand new, where you can come and chat with us and live events with us. While we're recording all kinds of cool things in addition to an exclusive Podcast, where we talk about polyamory and kink in music, movies, books, you name it, even if it's not actually about polyamory kink, we'll try to find a way to make it so we have a good time. We want our patrons to have a good time. Special thanks to our patrons for supporting this show our patrons make our website our hosting everything possible. So if you like what you hear, enjoy what we do, please consider supporting us so that we can keep those podcasts fabulous, fun. Going for you. Again, that's podcast.com slash support the pod, I'll let you get back to the show.
When I provide service for folks, it's always because I'm a little bit in love with them, if that makes sense. And it's not even like, and I don't mean like they're my partner, and I know 100% about them and I'm in love with them as a person, it could be that I'm in love with the idea of them or what they represent in that moment. Because I have to have some sort of connection with someone in order to feel satisfaction from doing it. Otherwise, it's just work to me. You know, I think it's the difference between maybe doing something at work for someone that I really respected versus doing customer service because it's a part of my job and I'm obligated to be nice to somebody. That's what the difference is for me is that I want to, I want, I need to care about the person at least Little bit in order to want to do it.
So that connection could be like just for that event, maybe. But it's something different than, like, I got paid to be here
to clean houses for money, and I cried for free and it was much more meaningful when I was doing it for someone for free. And like an in a service II kind of way, then it became just transactional.
And I imagine that just like in your every day, cleaning your own house. That's not necessarily No, I know.
You're saying your doctor, somebody who loves chores or loves work so much
that you're not in love with yourself. How can
give me up for where I was gonna turn this whole conversation?
Have you fallen in love with yourself tears, satisfaction from?
you know and allowing ways that I look at this sort of thing. Be it. I'll start out with the framework of work. Okay. Yes, it's a job. Yes, I'm getting paid for it. Yes. But the pride that I take in the work that I do the appreciation of that work is the point of the service to me. Meaning it's when when said service is performed, and it is greatly appreciated. That is 100% and ego trip for me. It's Yeah, taking pride in the services rendered and the service satisfaction there in that I dig on
that place, like where your motivation is coming from?
And how many times would you say that you're servicing yourself date? I
didn't say that at all.
Eric, I'm really excited that you said that, actually. Because something that I always say when I'm talking about service is that I don't think that service has to necessarily be altruistic. And that it's okay and expected to want something in return for doing it. And what I want is praise. I want someone to acknowledge that I did the thing. So I'm completely on the same page as you. Hmm.
So that said, so we've talked a little bit about what services we've talked a little bit about some different, different forms of service, you know, ideas of what service could be. So if you were talking To the listener at home, and they were interested in getting started with service and they were identifying with things they were hearing on the podcast right now. How would you recommend they get started with doing this with a partner? or doing this with a somebody that they have a play relationship with or a power dynamic relationship with?
Well, first thing you would talk to your partner. Yeah, we're all adults, and we communicate with one another. But I mean, it could start off as something you wanted to like, set up a temporary scene, I'm making air quotes. where you say, Hey, I listen to this podcast and these fabulous people, and they were talking about service. And I heard what is the name of that podcast? It's called pod cast coat with a beat sorry, yeah. But I heard that one of them talk about how cleaning their house Could be service. And, and in this scenario now I'm a guy that wants to look cute French maid. So perhaps we wanted to try this out clean house feet. So you of course like want to set something up. So it's not just you're cleaning the house for someone because that's super boring but you'd want to talk about what you would be willing to do for what you're for your partner and what they are expecting to receive out of that situation. And like what sort of interaction you would want during it or if you want any at all. And also, since it's a theme, you need to discuss what your limits would be. And any aftercare you might want to do and you would negotiate. I don't know if you guys have had a podcast on negotiation,
not strictly but it's it's definitely coming up. It's Yeah, we talked about all the things.
Tell them what you want to do and what you don't want to do. And then try it because it Worst case scenario, and this one is that you have cleaned out. And I brought, you know, what you're gonna do anyway. So
the worst case is you've done something that you were already going to do. And you felt the way that you were already going to feel about it is what I'm hearing.
Yeah. But you're just going to try and see if you can put some intention behind it and get a different feeling.
Like I love that you said that because one of the things that I'm passionate about passionate about is mindfulness. Part of mindfulness for me is developing rituals around the things that I do. And our ritual is only doing one mindful thing after the next and if you are intentionally cleaning something, then you're just paying attention to what you're doing and focusing your intent into it, just like you said. So, you know, last week, we're trying to encourage our listeners to try new things. And that might be a great way for our listeners to maybe incorporate a little bit of service into their play and stuff. I'll be pretty cool. Yeah, I think sexy, fun time. Yeah, really sexy fun times.
I know, we're in a world where we're not introducing new partners and stuff right now. But when we do eventually get to a place where we are meeting new people and doing new things, and if if we just want to bail out on this because it's too fraught or whatever, that's fine too. But, you know, we've all had like negative experiences with with surrogacy kind of relationships where they're on the top or the bottom do anybody want to talk about a little bit about like, how to safely find someone that you want to enter into a service relationship with and what to watch out for and you know how to be careful.
I can give, I can give an example of a situation I've had. So in my, my long answer, and I'll use your word again fraught search for somebody to do service for me because I like it. I like the ladies made scenario like to have somebody to brush my hair and to make my bed and tend to my clothing and do some things about the house and whatnot. That's the thing that I enjoy greatly. I have I guess auditioned would be the best word and just hasn't gone well. Because typically the people who messaged me aren't reading the very very bold large font to print that I am writing in the in the very small clear words that I am using that say not looking for any kind of sexual services or contact, just looking for somebody to do my dishes and be nice to me. So, but the because a lot of
a lot of people
unfortunately, seemed to misinterpret service as giving oral sex and not looking for oral sex. Like I don't I don't care if you want to do if you want to do the dishes naked that's fine. Like however whatever makes you happy I just want to have the dishes done.
And wait I could have been doing dishes naked this whole time. Yes, yes.
Yes, yes. Always make it all the time. However, moving forward, I'm now I'm distracted.
You were saying you don't want service on your hoo ha.
But I don't want service on my hoo ha I have people for that. Thank you. person for that. Hello, Eric. So
Hi. Hi. Okay.
Just a million different almost said references from From the movie Scent of a Woman, but they never really surface. But
is that service though, like when people come in with a mindset of I have one thing that I want to do now, it's not just my service to you
well accept my service having from the bottom that somebody
that wants to be
disagree it can be though, because you should have a you can have a very specific scenario that you're wanting to play out and that's okay. Absolutely, absolutely. Now you're saying like, I would like to be, you know, service a woman by honey, my pain inside of her. And that's kind of weird, but you know, right.
Well, if somebody says like, if somebody says I would, I would like to orally serve as a lady, and that's all I want to do. And I thought, that's great. However, that is not the type of service that I personally prefer to receive from people with whom I do not have an otherwise intimate relationship.
Well, just like in any other market, there has to be more for that service there's usually not just for the record there is there
is there is a market for that service I have a list of six people that I can think of right now who are looking for that service. And I could just message them and go like hey, you know like there's a dude in this town who's like ready for you? Unfortunately pandemic right?
I just mean in the sense that you can't go advertising a marketable skill that's not how I leave it out. Cut this part out. Huh, it's just not your your your first go to
the oral service.
It just seems like a scam to
any other thoughts on what to watch out for what how to be safe.
So to be safe, to be safe, like just like any internet interaction, which is usually how you're gonna do this. You know, and especially now, it's probably going to be an internet based interaction. But if we do get out into the real world, I mean, use your life's and your tenders and your Oh, Casey's and, and your adult friend finders responsibly, and vet people by, you know, talking to them first negotiating first, asking for testing results first, maybe meeting them at a in a public space first, once we're allowed to do that out in the world. I'm not going to keep putting that caveat on what I'm saying. But you know, there are plenty of BDSM community events that you could meet somebody at, and if that person is somebody of who was Someone who is willing to be safe with you, then they will meet your requirements to be safe with them. If that makes sense,
right, like questions like, asking about testing centers and asking about their other relationships and how things go, are often a good barometer just in how they respond to those sorts of lessons over whether or not they feel like a safe person or feel like a person who has good intentions. Yes.
If somebody says something like, I don't have any pictures on this phone, chances are they're not for you. If somebody says something like, well, I don't I don't discuss that until I meet somebody in person. Chances are, they're not for you. Like if somebody pushes back on simple questions or demands your name. When you're not ready to give it to them, chances are they're not for you. Like people often ask for my my name you Hey aren't Chaston I'm on a podcast, right? Like, you can Google that right? Like, and you could find out that I'm on this podcast right? Like that's a weird name. So I'm not gonna just give you my name because I have a weird name spelled in a weird way. And
it is my own hates it.
I know right? You should you should check out our show transcripts. Justin cast on guest on who knows
no one podcast like yesterday.
So yes. Well, Eric, I have been trying to correct all of the Eric's with a seat, but I don't catch all of them. So I mean, you know, my pain used to it.
My fourth grade teacher never noticed the whole year. Well,
I'm amazed that she could pronounce your name correctly.
Well, so if we're following you know, basic safety Asking sensible questions and demanding that we get sensible answers. Are y'all have y'all also, like sought out people who have specific skill sets? And how do you vet or maybe like even ask for references for people who have experience with different types of service Jenny?
So what my Well, I'm thinking more of like an activity like a top versus like a service person. But I like to bottom to specific edge play activities. And by edge play, I mean, like, things that could get you in trouble medically, you know, like, things like that. But, um, I have to find someone who's skilled in doing that in order to be safe for me, because otherwise I'm that I mean, stupid. So I'm literally not safe, literally not safe, physically, physically unsafe. So if I was trying to find Someone that do that activity, I would see if they had photographs on their profile of what they have done because I am educated enough of myself. They look to see a little bit like I'm not going to answer every question, but I can answer some questions about what their photographs are and see if they've tagged someone as a bottom that I can ask. So ask for references. I would also probably watch them play at a party a couple of times before I did anything with them for the first time. And I would also do like kind of a test the waters kind of thing first, instead of just going crazy headfirst. And in terms of service in particular, this might be going back more towards Mets question. Something I always tell folks to do is first as a service provider, you're allowed to have many limits as you want. And you don't have to do everything that the person is asking you if you don't want to do it, but also to negotiate within a box someone is allowed to Plan, rather than say the things you won't do. So if you're only looking for a ladies made scenario or to provide cigar service to someone or to be a bootblack, or any of those other things that are kind of kinky, that you find someone who's willing to stay within that box, right, and just do that. That's streamlined. Yeah. And the same thing for if you're going to be a service receiver, you have to find someone who's willing to do the same you're looking for. And if they're ignoring that, and only talking about things that make them happy, then why what's in this for you? What are you doing?
Write nicely? Precisely? Yeah. Great words. Good advice. Mm hmm. A word.
service is something that we can give and receive, and it doesn't necessarily have any attachment to being dominant, or submissive, Or a top or a bottom? How to service dynamics work? Like how do we like how do those relationships work? Can you just have a strictly strictly service dynamic?
Oh, absolutely. Just like you could have just a play partner who only you only see at parties and hit you with a slider. And that's all you do. You can, you can set the parameters of the relationship however you want it to be and what's best for you that you could have someone that you just clean their house and then leave and that's it, if that's what you want to do.
But it sounds like you're saying that there's no right way to do things. The right way to
do it, how you want to do it and don't listen to what the internet tells me. But wait, like, yeah,
it's the context. That's important, not the label.
Having external confirmation of the shit that we Talk about on our podcast is a little bit uncomfortable for us. So give us a second.
Just make sure you all have the same dictionary.
Yeah. The one with pictures right?
That's right. That's Pictionary. Cuz I'm gonna slow.
And I'm a visual learner.
It's actually just a horrible joke, because I'm not I'm not a visual learner at all.
But yeah, I mean, you could have a relationship. That's only service basis. That's what you want. I'm having said all of that, but I'm always kind of weird about limiting relationships. Yeah, potential. Like I don't like I'm not super comfortable saying, I'm only going to clean your house and I promise to never have feelings for you ever in my whole life. Like, I don't think that's very realistic. Yeah, you'd have to be able to have those conversations with people. You have to be able to communicate with your partner.
Like a lot of how we do relationships, whether they're lowercase Our capital our relationships, like our book, cuz all of us are that person, you know, who can never say like, yeah, we'll just be friends who go get a drink. Every once in a while, we're never gonna make out. Never, like our friends who will make a party once in a while, we're not gonna fall in love, like, you know, I think that the way that we all do relationships is because we're not people who say, we're always going to be this and never going to be that right.
I think I think the important thing is, you know, to just have the ability to say, I recognize that this is always out there and anything that could happen and let's agree to have a conversation when that comes up and agree to be honest about it when it does, and just talk about it and see where we are and check in. Yeah, just my like personal experience with
really service Acts and really service oriented relationships like I've only ever had experience with seeking a person for a one or occasional thing for a specific, very surfacey thing. Like I know when I say Oh, yeah, I've saw like a bootblack to fix up my boots every once in a while, you know, and never really the same person just sort of a general call like, hey, my boots kind of fucked up like I'm looking for somebody who can take care of that thing. You know. We you mentioned like cigar service. And we had a kind of a class here on cigar service A while ago, and that is my biggest exposure to that. Like I smoke a pipe. It would be kind of neat if like, having a person like clean my pipes and like teaching someone how to pack my pipes and that kind of stuff, but also dealing with pain. So it's not like something that I would see on a long term basis. It would just be kind of neat.
Attention internet Max is seeking somebody to pack his pipes.
I've actually thought about like teaching the laborers at work, how to pack my pipes. I don't have to leave the wall again to do that.
I'm pretty sure there's a movie out there called the labor pack my pipe. Anyway,
here's a you might enjoy that if the opportunity arose, but it's not really something that like you want to be. Right. That's it in a relationship right to accomplish,
right. I mean, you know, I've, every time these kinds of relationships come up, I talked about how it seems kind of exhausting to me, you know, to have that full time kind of relationship.
It is though, because receiving services is a skill that takes effort, right, as well. So that's something a lot of folks forget about. That you have to be.
Yeah, I have trouble with that. Actually. I get frustrated with it. And would rather just do it myself. Mm hmm.
Yeah, and we do we know people we have all of us including including Yujin like we all have like close friends who have those relationships. And once we've kind of been around for a while knows what know what goes into it like, they're people. It's gonna be kind of fucked up to say, but like, there are people that I know that we know all that I don't like, personally respect as a person. But like, I do see this thing they are able to do and I'm like, Oh, that's something I could not do. I could not be that kind of full time top. I can respect their ability to do that thing.
Now I'm like, huge amount of dedication. And, guys
I'm gonna need to set my team Oh,
she's doing it an awful lot like the Kermit sipping the tea.
Yeah, I just set my drink like that straight.
oh my. Ah, so Jenny, is there anything else that we need to know about service before we go out into the world and serve others? Or be served? I don't get served.
You get sir.
Oh, it was on this episode. Oh my god cast without that joke coming up. We almost we almost made it
Nope. I say talk to your partner. Yeah, it doesn't have to be selfless
africare is a thing.
Have fun. It's supposed to be fun, right? I mean, it's not supposed to be. Yeah, I mean, it might be hard work, but it's also supposed to be fun. So don't do it.
And after here it goes both ways. Yeah, that's it. thing that that we all of us forget a lot like. Sometimes the top needs aftercare to like aftercare it goes both ways. You might something as simple as you know, having someone clean your house, maybe they did it wrong the entire time and you're about to choke them to death. Like you might need some aftercare to calm down like it. That's a legitimate thing. Like it's funny. If it is, it might drive you crazy to have someone else do it wrong all day. So yes, very good point. Thank you. Seriously,
yeah, thank you for saying that. I will reframe how I come home from work now.
And you'll clean my house better. Right?
Sure. So Eric, when you come home from work, you're gonna be nicer to use yourself about you've, you've
been lounging around your apartment all day?
No, I mean, when I come home from work, and everybody's been doing it wrong the whole day. I can apply after care to myself.
Because everybody else was saying, oh, and I didn't want to be left.
Well, Jenny, thank you so much for being on the podcast with us tonight. It was nice to get to talk to you for inviting me. Absolutely. Thank you for coming on. Is there anything that you want to plug or share with the world?
Nope. All right.
But not that question.
Word. It's a podcast you have to plug things.
Oh, can I say hi to my friends on my home Discord server.
Hi, Yes, Miss server.
Yay. Oh, I'm gonna talk to the nazma server tomorrow.
You are talking to me? Yes, Miss server tomorrow. I'm very excited. They are ridiculously excited.
Oh, I was bouncing and I just got the please don't bounce and signal.
The couch squeak is gonna be on the recording.
You're creating more evidence
of the bounce.
Mine my own I like surfing myself.
That joke is
I'll make Cultural references that I understand. Oh,
you're welcome that we are also old.
I appreciate you're old enough.
We do it just for you. Alright, so I don't know how like these recordings save. So I'm going to hit the stop recording button and nobody do anything. And nobody do anything. Don't hang up just yet. Okay. Just in case because I'm scared. But yeah, I can thank you so much and I will talk to everybody next week. Ah.
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