He is kind of a godfather of MIT Entrepreneurship, and John Thurman says he is the first person who got PhD from Jay Forrester in the topic of SD. Oh, wow. Yeah, so we just have he, he passed away, unfortunately, recent, I think, a few months ago, and we had a memorial last week. And what I learned, he said, was for entrepreneur scholars, that if you think entrepreneurs practitioners, read your topic of your paper, and don't think this would be useful, then don't write about it. And I disagree with it, because, yeah, um, yeah, it may be a useful heuristic at some point of the huge history, because, like, there was two, like, broad gaps. But I think theorists should, like unit theory. Builders should build the theory. What we need is a systematic evaluation of a unit theorist, developers being evaluated by the programming theory of developers. Because this, I think you would agree with me, or tell me if they're not, but one person trying to do everything somehow is burdening. Yeah, yeah,
