My name is Brian Fortman. My address is 5011 Dustbowl lane. Thank you guys for having me. I'm the director of capital battleline incorporated red drumline mentor mentorship agency here in Tallahassee. And I just wanted to give you guys a brief update of what we're what we have going on in the community. And also to end with a brief ask a couple about our line incorporated or CBl is that is comprised of members of the percussive arts community within expressed an interest and drumline performance CBl is purpose to inspire youth to make responsible choices and their decision making processes. Processes, provide tutoring and mentoring services and improve the performance standards of its membership and participants in their respective academic career, vocation and social lives. We believe drumming is a communal activity forging special enduring bonds between drummers, much akin to breaking bread with one another. So prior to COVID to the COVID social disruptions, CBl was contracted with a different Leon County School 21st century programs and maintain 15 active high school participants to helping us with our elementary school mentorship programming. During the shutdown, it was CBl that actually spurred the ideas for the political canvassing that originated with us renting out weekly from every weekend and starting in June July U haul and we put the drummer's on the back of the U haul with a lot well recorded music track music, the whole idea actually you all are you guys were it's to recreate the parade experience that we lost with the COVID shut down to get everybody outside in their front yards. And having a neighborly this social distance, communal celebration of life, as it were losing losing a lot of life. So that was a fun, exciting community service project that we embarked on. And some actually campaigns partnered up with us and others establish their own thing, which is really cool. I personally have worked with a few projects and community and committees locally, including a preliminary committee for the Ashmore building. And I believe that Miss Miss Barnes actually recommended me for that committee, because she believes in what I'm doing with CBl and the program with the youth here in Tallahassee, and she was just trying to find us a place of home to operate out of. So with all that we have going on moving forward into the new year, we're actually established in eight different communities or five different community centers now. That's Jay Gaither bond. In the bond community. We're in Walker, Fort, and Smith and Williams. And then we're also in the Springfield Community Center, you're 30 seconds, okay, and Dade Street. And so we have a growth plan in place to grow into 13 different elementary service programs. And the model is actually to station each one of those with trained high school members that are trained with national coaching, certifications, and babysitter childhood development training with the Red Cross, which I've already forged partnerships with, I'm looking for assistance with growing this program. And we I would love to sit down with each and every one of you to discuss this in more detail. Thank you so much.
Great, thank you. Our next speaker, please.
Next speaker is Mike Goldstein. He'll be followed by Michael McLachlan
your name and address for the record, please.
Hey, it's still my Goldstein at 2171 Second Avenue. I'm actually speaking on behalf of Brian as well, because we're having that free evening. So let's get the party started. If anybody asked from a year and a half ago, I'm just a bike rider. He's just a drummer. And we met through pizza maker from a couple years ago. So that's how we kind of forged a bond of what we do. And we all know the story behind that that terminology of how you describe your vocation because the drama that led to the discussion between the chamber and Mr. Malla that got us to meet over that breaking bread at Casio pies one day. So me and Brian from relationship from that he has meeting the minds and tears later feels like that, but about a year later now. He's become a big part of my organization. He just saw his shirt was what part of it sounds like that's a possible solution to the agenda item in January with the puzzle in it because what Brian does with youth also helps prevent crime with drumming and music, education and mentorship. So I think what he does is he actually brings in middle school high school students to help them prepare for college and life skills that may or may not lead to college, but that's part of what could help with noise ordinances, crime prevention and things of that nature. But we're also looking to build partnerships with the city and the county and long term longevity of mentoring through entrepreneurship skills. That's a big thing with the city and county these days. Oh UVI and hoops like that. I'm actually working with him to get through with Domi now. So we had big little show at First Friday through Domi station First Friday. Him and the drummers were out for a good probably hour or so just wrapping around and it wasn't too out. I don't think it's First Friday is one of those exceptions where it's before 10 o'clock on a weeknight and that got people to notice but Brian does more. He didn't leave out I believe he helped with a few of the campaigns who are still in office and Somebody didn't make it. So, like me and my advertising Brian's group has hit or miss with hitting elections out there, but we do make an impact with what we do. So we're just trying to make a small difference in the city but also help people be aware of what we can offer as far as how we can team up with simple things like drumming on a bike to make an impact with praise in the future. He did just march in the winter festival so that was his first trade back in a while. I think a few of you might have seen him out there with the drummers but we're working together to better but said he's trying to do for years now because it takes me with ego my arm to work on apologies in advance everyone I've offended over the years on the DRC and after the Yes, but um, he found me through a mutual friendship. And now we're trying to keep sharing online in the sense that we can actually so 30 seconds we're trying to work together in a sense that we both have the same mindset and ideas sometimes but we feed off each other's creative creativity and ingenuity that leads to things like Jim Ranas suit, Jim Moran school. Again, no AV don't me station, all these big players in the room and outside the room and the table that we find ourselves in and out of. We're trying to make a difference and we need help. And not just funds but awareness of what we can offer to people that want to listen.
Thank you. Our next speaker, please.
Next is Michael McLachlan. And then Rosetta Bobo.
Name and address for the record please.
Hello, my name is Michael I live in 100 D Street. I'm here to talk about this missions. Questionable commitment to democracy. This afternoon's vote to remove members of the CPRP makes it clear that this commission would rather listen to the police than to the people when nine members of the public come forward and voice their support for Taylor Bureau for my for a diverse array of reasons. Their voices were outweighed by a single person who identified themselves as Pro police. When the people stand in support of Bureau of the PBA, which endorsed your campaign in your campaign, and Dan Williams Cox's campaign, when they stand opposed, the three of us stand with the police against the people. The CPRP is supposed to be a space for the citizens of Tallahassee to make recommendations regarding TPD policy and procedures is a space where the people get to tell the police what we think they should do, and to have that translated into policy recommendations. As such, the police themselves along with organizations like the Police Benevolent Association, who worked directly for the police have no place making any statement about the suitability of the police appointed the people appointed to that board, people in power like yourselves and the police should not get to decide who gets to review them. When they do we call that corruption. And this commission knows about that. After the CPD officers murdered three civilians in early 2020 1000s of Tallahassee, Ian's took to the streets demanding community control the police, who had democratically elected civilian police accountability Council. Such a council would put oversight of the police in the hands of everyday people, the people, the police swear to protect and serve. Rather than implementing the CPAC, which could hire and fire the police chief control the police department's budget and hold killer cops accountable. This Commission created a weak Toothless review board that can't do anything more than make policy recommendations. And now you want absolute control over what board member thing and you've criticized them. They tried to take any real action. The controversy resulting from Dan Williams Cox's misleading statement on the October 12 commission meeting highlights the pressing need for true community control the police in Tallahassee, it's a city refuses to implement a truly democratic civilian police accountability Council than the least this commission could do is support the work of the CPRP in every way it can. The CPRP asks you for an expanded scope of authority. This Commission needs to grant them that authority they ask for most importantly, the City Commission should not interfere with the workings of the CPR be up today. You commissioners you're saying Mayor Daley and Commissioner Williams Cox, let's say you cross that line, you're 30 seconds today you demonstrated a clear bias against participatory democracy a clear bias toward listening only to the organization's which is supported your campaigns and a clear bias against the people you alleged to represent. That's demonstrated bias calls into question your suitability to continue holding seats on this commission. Your actions today underscored the need for true community control the police, you have demonstrated the inability of our current system to reform itself in ways that disrupt and eliminate harms caused by our current methods of policing years we cannot alright.
Thank you. Our next speaker please.
Next speaker is Rosetta Bobo. And then Joe West. He I don't know Joe West followed by will handling
Thanks for joining us your name and address for the record please.
Joe West, a little bit 2831 dufton court here in Tallahassee. Good afternoon Mayor Daley commissioners, administrators. I passed the invoices and i hope i Mr. Cook found him that I wanted to have everybody have anyway, I'm burning time category. This past summer I came before the commission, and requested that the City of Tallahassee match funds the county has made available since we took over the Tallahassee Leon County Veterans Day Parade in 2010. Mayor Daley was on the county commission then and I'm sure he recalls how vetting came to be. We created a nonprofit organization staffed by all volunteers. No one. No one at vetting draws any compensation for their efforts. These efforts require between five and 600 man hours every year, and we think we do a pretty good job of producing the Tallahassee Lana County Veterans Day Parade. This was the first year the city agreed to put some money towards our efforts, we were instructed to apply to the CRA. We did and after being coached on how to answer their questions to become eligible, we were awarded $5,000 that we would have of course, we have to account for how it is used to maintain that eligibility. We have met all the CRS criteria up to this point. This year for the first time, we not only got city funding, we also got an invoice from the city for $3,245.11, which has been presented to be 16% of the city's cost for the parade. According to the invoice, which I've shared with you all this year, the cost was $20,281.11. And John just gave Mr. Cook a check for our share. I'm told springtime will also get a bill like this for their efforts. Winterfest is exempt from these charges. Having been told by your Parks and Recreation event coordinator that this will be a recurring charge for all future Veterans Day parades. And having discussed this with Blackboard, it is with heavy heart that we better and events in Tallahassee Incorporated, will relinquish rights to conduct the annual Tallahassee Leon County Veterans Day Parade and turn those rights over to the City of Tallahassee. Accordingly, with no primary mission veteran events in Tallahassee, Incorporated will be dissolved in accordance with our bylaws and the articles of incorporation. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next speaker, please.
Next speaker is Willa Hanley And then Anita Davis. Was your question the document camera. If you stand at the microphone, there's a little stand just to the right and you place your document under that white device.
My name is Wil Handley. I live at 1911 Wahala. COURT I period three months ago to speak with you about concerns that I had about our police associating and training with a convicted criminal in a militarized context. I don't feel that their training with Eddie Gallagher was the problem itself. I felt that it's I feel that it's the symptom of a of a deeper problem, which is a problem of a culture of violence and a cultural of a culture of unaccountability, which we need to be careful to control and not allow to permeate our society including our police. So what happened after I gave those comments, which was the chief responded to them, and his response caused me to feel even more concerned rather than allaying my concerns. And I want to just show you some excerpts from from his response.
Just to repeat, Commissioner Williams Cox asked the chief, the patrol officer is not the one getting that kind of training. And he replied, correct. Now, I've confirmed with the city manager, DC Smith that the meaning of the citizens police Review Board, and I confirmed with the Office of the Chief, that in fact patrol officers are receiving that kind of training. So the statement was that he made at this Dyess was incorrect. That's a cause of concern for me. Now, I'm thinking I'm imagining a scenario where there's a public controversy over a bond issue. And there are stories in the paper there are meetings where people are have disagreements about this. It's it's a controversy. The Treasurer is called before the commission at a commission meeting, and is asked, so the bond has not been issued. And the treasurer says correct. But the bond has been issued. Or what are the consequences in a situation like that, this situation is parallel to this. Now there are mechanisms, disciplinary mechanisms of supervision, which include conduct unbecoming, which is the mechanism used for untruthful statements by people who are being supervised by the city few sessions. And I encourage you to, to explore these provisions and to encourage your staff who have been slow to respond to my messages if they've responded at all. You're who consider these questions, which are very serious.
Thank you. Our next speaker,
Anita Davis, Anita Davis, and then Mark osako.
Thank you for joining us your name and address for the record, please.
My name is Anita Davis. And I'm with litigate on high road and I live at 1111. O Russell road. I didn't expect to speak tonight. So you're excuse me and scratching here? I've watched over the years, as we've lost Tallahassee has lost its treasures. Historically, archaeologically. Biology that the biologists would be we don't have anybody on staff. Now, you know, yourself that the state has covered us for years with an archaeologist. But actually, they got to the point this year, and I pointed this out before, where they said, they're not going to do this. And they have been told that we completely took advantage of their archaeologically department. And they finally had to say no, so that means there's absolutely no oversight for archaeology. And this puts me back to the English property that was passed the PUD that was the forest that is going to be developed coming up. There's no archaeology oversight, among many other things. To Deus species, for instance, there are there are endangered species on that property. That's been noted. But they do species by air. That's how we do it in this town. That's how that's how we check off that endangered species. There's no if if they're viable or not to be looked into. We do infrared. We don't do boots on the ground. We have no archaeologists. And we refuse to have one to pay for it. It was nixed over at the County this year in their budget. So I'm just asking you guys, what's up with that? You know, you're you're you're you're red, you're giving the green light to this, this 700 acres. There's no archaeologists. And you go back to the archaeologists report from Calvin Jones from Lewis plays are and they both say there are absolutely sites on that property that needs to be explored. There is pre history sites. Okay. Where there is sunken lates for pre history man. They're prehistoric man. Excuse me. There's and heka sites there? And there's DeSoto sites because we all know it's not written in stone that that is the DeSoto encampment of Lafayette that that looks like it but really and truly it doesn't meet the the markers to actually be it so so that site is still under investigation. We don't have an archaeologist but I mean I could go on and on about the oversight that is unique. No Word. And it's not just I mean, I'm talking on the English force, where it's a restock charging station for what color spring, and how detrimental this will be. We'll call a spring. Absolutely directly. I said, I apologize. I know I'm rambling on tonight. Again, I'm a little tired to expect, but I'm just you know, and from what I've heard tonight, guys, thank that kind of put me back.
Thank you. Our next speaker please.
Next speaker is Mark osako followed by Midori osako.
Thanks for joining us you name and address for the record place.
Thank you very much. My name is Mark Oka SOCO live at 1689 Silverwood drive. And Mr. Mayor, commissioners, thank you very much for allowing me to speak. Since July saved the English forest. Our team of concerned citizens has been diligently preparing a Florida forever New Project land acquisition application. The proposed project called the English property PUD Forest Preserve would protect vulnerable natural features like ravines, sinkholes and wetlands. It would provide an a nature wildlife corridor traversing north to south from East Orange avenue to tram road. This proposed corridor would extend from existing conservation easements and green spaces of two well established Orsted neighborhoods layer stone forest and Indian Head acres. The entire 3.5 mile nature wildlife corridor from St. Augustine road into the English property PUD, but also connect for disjointed open spaces and by the developer. Our proposed 250 acre Florida forever project would have preserved a significant urban forest with valuable, irreplaceable, natural, biological, hydrological and archaeological features within Tallahassee. However, were not able to submit our application by the October 31 deadline, in spite of the fact that we had already completed 12 of the 13 required supporting documentation. The missing item was a commitment letter from the governmental entity, agreeing to become the manager of the proposed property, Project property. This letter was necessary since this would be a fee simple acquisition. Our team had initiated the request to the City of Tallahassee in June, regret regrettably, at the 11th hour on Friday, October 28. The city's reply to our request was declined. We were disappointed with the city's decision. Even more, we were disappointed that the city's response came just three days before the application submission deadline. Here's a brief timeline. Even third in an in person meeting with Ashleigh Edwards, the city's director of Parks and Recreation. You described our plan to apply for Florida forever new project in the English property PUD. We also discussed our preference for the city to be at the manager, August 24, we made a formal request to Ashley Edwards that the city be the manager. October 3, Miss Edwards replied and asked for more information and a map of our project. October 11, Miss Edwards said the City of Tallahassee staff group that was reviewing the proposed project needed more information about the restrictions on the manager by Florida forever. October 24, Miss Edwards and Scheana Marie of Florida forever discuss this in a phone call. October 28. Miss Edwards informed us that the city declined to be the manager. reason given was that they had insufficient information on the internal roadways of the English property PUD and the stormwater management facilities that will be needed for these roadways. Therefore they could not agree to the Florida forever restrictions. No specifics were given about this or water management facility. But it should be noted that the PUD amendment application from the August 2021 at marked the southwestern sinkholes as possible stormwater retention facilities. Regardless, this outcome could have been avoided. There was a six week gap between our formal request to the city and the city's first reply. Your three minutes if the deliberation had taken place in September instead of October when the application was due. Thank you, we would have had time to discuss possible solutions to the problem. I thought I was given 30 seconds was that
didn't give the 32nd warning My apologies. 10 more seconds if you want to wrap up your
tip come on last paragraph. If the delivery if the deliberation had taken place in September instead of October when the application was due, we would have had time to discuss possible solutions to the problem with the city and come up with a compromise or find another manager. Perhaps this can still be done. We look forward to the city's suggestions and perhaps we can still come to an agreement with the city becoming the manager for our project.
Thank you. Our next speaker please. Midori,
Oka Sacco and Stanley Sims
thanks for joining us your name and address for the record please.
Yes, my name is Midori Oka Sacco and I live in their stone for
her Slee our team would like to thank our regional, nature and local nonprofit groups and individuals are supporting our efforts with the Florida forever proposal to acquire 250 acres within the privately owned English property PUD. This PUD on the south side is one of the largest unprotected natural habitat within the city's urban service area and serving the forest natural resources while extending a ribbon of net of wildlife corridor and protecting physical features such as the karst sinkholes in this PUD with sustained the ecological health and water quality of adjoining streams, rivers, strings and the underlining aquifer that connect to the vocalist springs. There are three distinct thing calls on the southern parcels of the proposed project to straddle the northern boundary of the Wakulla spring priority focus area and the Tallahassee Leon County primary springs protection zone. The developers General Land Use Plan suggests these two sinkholes west of the Paul Russell extension road be converted to stormwater facilities. This suggested plan was reviewed and approved by the city in the interim, converting the existing closed sinkholes as stormwater retention ponds may work. However, failure to address the potential problem. Prolonged increase in water load with stormwater drainage could open up the closed basins, consequently exposing high levels of nutrients and contaminants into the sensitive underlying aquifer connected to the surrounding water feature. Regrettably, due to the differing visions for these two sinkholes, or requests for the city to be the manager for the proposed Florida forever new project was declined three days before the application deadline. Since advocating the protection of the majestic English forest for a year now, our team respectfully questions your preferential treatment and time, the city grants the key players. In this case, the realtor and the developer. The PUD decision processes which include planning zoning, stormwater, management and the environment are weighted towards the developers. The key players who dictate the PUD implementation are versed and navigating the city's bureaucracy your 30 seconds. Our appeal for more carefully considered comprehensive plan prioritizing the conservation and the protection of the Natural Resources and the Environment were met with in different affirmations by the city, the developers and other principals. Our sincere concern and input input had been sidelined by the city. Last but not least, our team's hope for the coming year is for the city to genuinely practice the mission of our citizens voices to ensure a better PUD project.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. Our next speaker please.
Mayor that's the last speaker we have in chambers.
We do have the Sims is here. Oh,
I apologize. I had moved, we have said is osako and then Stanley Sims and then I put your card aside Stanley Sims and then we have a virtual Connect.
I believe we have one more speaker as well in chambers.
Don't have another card but we'll take him in and get a card when we're done. Mr. Sims
Good afternoon. My name is Stanley Sims. I'm at 1320 Avondale way. And the reason I'm here is because Mr. Mayor there I have been receiving since November 30. The city's desire to permanently keep me out of the building. But the correspondence is not clear. I noticed that when the white guy came up here and talked about the issues with our chief, he didn't yell out and call him or lie. What I'm concerned with Mayor, according to our inspector, if I continuously to email, city employees can accuse me of cyber bullying. If I talk within a passion, I'm aggressive. I even email you all. Commissioner Curtis Richardson I was so blessed to get your texts ran from my son because when I sent out an email to all the city employees saying that is it okay for me to talk to you Only three commissioners email me back. So that left me with the mindset. If I continue to email you, then you would charge me with aggression. I even have a copy of an email that Mayor Pro Tem, Diane Cox, in my opinion, reprimanded the staff for allowing my emails to reach her. My second issue of concern is you all are trying to implement to keep me out of this building for my natural life, but will not allow me to pretend to protect myself and was so discouraging and hurting to me. Our police chief has directed the command staff not to talk to me. Not to help me. They have credible information that will prove me innocent on their cams. Were a clear incident from Dana Morgan, a city employee who took a situation where the chief falsely accused, he falsely threatened to arrest me, charged me and thrown out of the building, because he did not know the correct interpretation of a law. Because when he was yelling at me, I chose to grab my phone and record him. You're 30 seconds. He apologized for his actions. And I accepted that this is the first time I've talked about this at the Dyess the City of Tallahassee through the city manager constantly tells me that they will do X, Y and Z and have me arrested and thrown out of this building. If I act like the chief act tonight when I was at this time. My question is to you guys, you can what will you all do? When city employees are infringing upon my right, I would like to have a meeting with Deputy City Commissioner, our Deputy City Manager Cynthia Barber, and the city manager.
Thank you. Our next speaker, please your name and address for the record.
My name is Lila, I will not be giving my address to the record. It's interesting that even though every single time I come to one of these meetings, I fill out an agenda item form. And I absolutely filled that one and gave one to the person in the front. For some reason they're unable to find it all the sudden at the end of the meeting, even though everyone knows that I'm going to come to this meeting, I'm going to speak. So I ask that whatever you're doing, you stop, because I am going to enter up this place and speak because it is my right as a citizen of Tallahassee, which you seem to not respect. But that's who you are. So I understand that. And I guess if I have to record it next time, I'm going to record it next time. But let's get into it. Let's get into the heinous display of the city Commission's lack of any real accountability or democracy for you know, people in the City of Tallahassee, your constant disrespect of the citizens, police review board members who have done nothing except follow the rules that you laid down for them. That nothing except showing you the utmost respect in the proceedings and done nothing except said to you what they're going to do and give you the information that they will but you can't respond to them. When it comes to the Eddie Gallagher situation. You don't have the time for that you can't come out to a meeting and support them for that. I haven't seen one of you except City Commissioner Jack porter at a meeting by the way, you can't give them any information about what's going on or what's happening in Tallahassee. You don't accept the barest minimum of their proposals. One of those proposals just being hey, if a police officer is surrounding someone, and it's two or three or four people, maybe we shouldn't use batons to beat that person down. No, he can't do that. But you can spend your time immediately creating a motion to vote off a popular citizens police review board member, a citizen police review board member who had every single member of the Citizens police review board stand for her when she was attacked by all he is of a police mug that you lied about and Let's call a spade a spade. It's not misleading. It's a lie. You lie to the public like you've done multiple times before. You said hey, the City Commission met this city citizens police Review Board member had an F the police mug when the mug didn't even say a boss. The police. By the way, let's get the record clear. It said abolish police brutality and the audacity of a City Commission where our city mayor has a cut that says I support police where half of you are funded by the Police Benevolent Association where you have friendships and connections on and on with the police talking about a diversity of opinion and views like you actually care about that. The truth is You want the citizens police review board to be a pro police mouthpiece and if it's nothing else, it cannot exist not even with the barest minimums of reform, not even the barest minimum of criticism Taylor Bureau is popular in the community and public people showed up to the citizens police review board to speak on her behalf. Y'all didn't show up the Police Benevolent Association Dinshaw up to the people from the PBA who are in this room? Are they do they even live in Tallahassee? How much do they stand Tallahassee? How much do they come to public meetings? Oh, let's go on the cat board that the police have the one that doesn't have public meetings, the one that has no public forum to be criticized or judged. And this is exactly why we need community control the police and why I believe it's the only option and the option that you're setting up for people in Tallahassee, because when you don't provide people with an ability to criticize some of the most powerful people in our society, they will revolt against it. And if change can't be made to this day, I believe that change will be made in the streets. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next speaker, please.
Mayor The next speaker is Erica Halbert who is connected via WebEx.
All right. Erica Halbert
was connected earlier and apparently has has dropped Do we have anyone remaining there? The only other name I had was Kristin Ervin. And I don't think that connection was made at all. So I believe we're finished with our speakers.
Okay, more good to the sharing of ideas. We'll start with the Mayor Pro Tem his own phone.
Thank you all very much. Happy birthday to the mayor. Happy anniversary to my Chief of Staff Dr. Juan diavola. Davis and her husband Christopher for 26 years. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa. Have a great end of the year.
Thank you, Mr. Richardson.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I could say ditto to what Commissioner Williams Kocsis said wishing you a happy birthday. As well as staff. There was a think she's still here. I know. There she is. There's the birthday girl. Happy birthday. And Happy anniversary to Reverend Dr. Towanda Davila Davis as well, I hope she's enjoying her anniversary with her loved one of 26 years. And I also wanted to announce that tomorrow is the public safety marketplace at Walker Ford Community Center if anyone wants to come by and get some goodies to eat, and we're certainly encouraging the community to come by those who are in need. And as Mr. Williams Cox said, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah and Happy Kwanzaa. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Thank you, Mr. Malla.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just to address a few of the public comments, Mr. For being yet please reach out to us with more information about what you're working on. Secondly, I think I wanted to get more information on the status of the veterans parade. I got the information that Mr. West distributed and heard a statement. I do think it's important, our community continues to have a veteran's parade. It seems like we're discussing a matter of a few $1,000. If that's accurate, I think we should just readdress that in the future to make sure that event can continue. The third point on the Forever Florida application, I think there's some I don't know the specifics of the roadway location and those sorts of things. But my general question is, is there an opportunity for us to prepare an application for forever Florida that could be that could work with all parties to get a concrete proposal in? Manager?
Mr. Mayor, I would say what I know is Ashley Edwards is our Parks Recreation Director. That was the idea that was the goal. The plan is not clear enough to know the land that would have been purchased and beaten, essentially to our parks and recreation department. So is that clarity? happens? I think there is absolutely but it just couldn't be done in the time that if we wouldn't be making the Application The owners have gathered together to make the application you'll recall, this is privately owned land being developed by somebody else. And with an attempt to get forever Florida, dollars to set certain land aside in order to do that, as I understand and I could be wrong, forgive me if I am on this, that we would make need to take title to it and put it in our parks and recreation group. So just it just wasn't clear enough where the infrastructure would go relative that land and I think ultimately, but to that end, yeah, I think it is entirely possible for a future application.
Okay. I would be interested in us. Just keeping that conversation going and figuring out what what is doable and what we can obtain as information becomes available. And lastly, I just wanted to address the comments on the the training with war criminal le gap, Eddie Gallagher, where it was stated that they weren't patrol officers, that we're being trained on the matter of the tag team. Can we get some clarity on that statement if it was misconstrued of the question when it was asked or?
I can answer the question or go ahead.
I'm not even clear on what was presented
with Mr. Hanley presented about the question whether or not it was the patrol officer receives that kind of training, the chief said no. And understand what the chief met and in fact I exchanged I copied you guys on it. So you would see the exchange of emails with Mr. Handley, the members of the tech team received that training. The question Mr. Handley then said, are any patrol officers on the tag team? It's possible can say there are they're not. It's a variety of ranks, patrol officers in their duty as a patrol officer do not receive the training and that was the answer that the chief provided. So I've felt confident in the answer that the chief gave. Understood. Mr. Henley's question. I know he reached out to Deputy City Manager barberries reached out to the city attorney shared his concern, I think we're clear on the concern in confident that the answer was as intended that TAC team members received the training not not a patrol officer, could they separately be a patrol officer? They could in other varieties of ranks?
Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that clarification, because I my recollection, the conversation was based around officers interactions with the general public and if general public patrol officers are interacting with the public, and they were also at a training, where Eddie Gallagher was that so I think that clarifies the question for everybody that thank you. And that's all I'm assuming. Mr. Porter.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I too want to see if there's anything we can work on for the English pod. I would love to see that. I was wondering if we could get an informational item about the change in the state's participation in our planning process and how I know that several months ago, they let us know that they weren't going to be participating in some kind of archaeological review. If we could have a an item come back to us just an informational item about that, including, you know, information about other cities and whether they have archaeologists on staff, whether it's something they contract on a rolling basis, their roles. We're just curious about that. Generally. If so, you have any thoughts, Mr. Manager
certainly can send an email, that's easier if the, if the commission wants to vote on bringing it out. And back, we could do that too. It certainly won't take much. That's
just emails, if you're an email is fine, if possible, if it could also include and I can just follow up asking for this. I do want to see what other cities do because I imagine other cities do things like this. So if that's something that can be included in that email beyond just the pre existing relationship with the state and what they did, I would appreciate that,
Mr. Mayor and commissioners Sure. In that thing, Commissioner Porter understands just for clarity, he said, There is a required duty to do the archeological study. I'm probably saying that wrong. But it's the question of who does and we were fortunate to have the state do it for us for many, many, many years. That was the exception, not the rule. And they gave us notice, and they were no longer doing it. But it doesn't eliminate the need to do it. Question is how's it get done? So we'll certainly be happy to provide that information.
Thank you. And lastly, I wanted to say some of us were at the city's winter fest parade, it was a lot of fun. I cannot believe how many people like to run. I'm not one of those people who are in that jungle. Well, I was shocked by I think it was 1300 people or something crazy. And I do want to wish everyone a happy holidays. I'm looking forward to spending some time away with my family. And then for all those who are listening, and interested members of the public here. I want to remind everyone that we have our annual retreat coming up on January 18 In the morning, so if there are items of VISTA interest, things you want to bring to that table, think about it beforehand. Email us I know that, you know with the holidays, things can just creep up on you. So I wanted to let everyone know that we're gonna be having that retreat. Thank you.
