3:39PM Jun 16, 2020
Yo everyone we are super excited today. We got a guitarist tonight man out of wits band, I wonder who
someone classic I mean guessing. Other bands out there, but guess what I'm a huge fan I've been to the show quite a few times. I love watching these guys play live in front of us, we got a guy who's always wearing all black black leather Mohawk slicked back cut this guy's very young, is to new sunrise man. I was going to Vancouver man.
Hey. What's up dude good out here Yeah,
awesome dude. Man, I've seen you guys play very often live and
where the show to see me as jammin it
Yeah, you can make it out you know we're pretty excited to be able to come back, West and you know, get some shows some shows going and put out a couple more albums, first one and I can I can keep the whole movement going right.
Yeah, absolutely. You guys just launched another last one. And do quarter was great by a guest I was on here was super saying and,
you know, and even the team just jamming it out love the music video and love you guys are jamming out
there. But, to know. Tell us one thing that we do not know about you,
about me. Oh,
man. I don't know I think everybody kind of knows yeah I'm pretty, pretty simplistic,
but if people don't know yet. I'm from Vancouver, Canada, anything that's probably what people don't really know. I get a lot of questions that were worth problem, but yeah, thank you for Canadian yes there's more people in Canadians and we live in houses.
No glues really
nothing. Nothing man, nothing. And Vancouver's hour and a half from Seattle Correct,
yeah Vancouver is about an hour and a half north of Seattle we're right on the other side of the end of the USA border.
Would that be about four or five hours to Portland.
Yeah, that's about five hours support
there fast if your permit get there.
A good oh wow for a hard drive in Fresno.
Oh man, done the first Oh drive a couple times.
it's probably a
good solid day to get.
And that's how I saw you guys yeah you know Fresno Plains, New Year to you guys live in Twin City. Some of you on the team. Love it, man. So you know I got a question for you, man. What is the future of the music industry.
Well, it's still slowly evolving as far as I know, I can only say it based on my experience and what I've been through with with this whole thing. And, you know, it's come a long way since we started going way back in. 2007 2008 there, though. At that time, this generation that we're playing with now. Everyone is still kind of rising up and it was below the older generation, you know handling all the business. So, you know, it was kind of that old style and there was not much of the industry going on but now you have like a record labels coming out and promoting artists. Then, and people are kind of more experienced that are actually in the industry in actual, real music industry and they know. You know, you know what to do as far as process of bringing an international act like bus over where you know pieces are going to be required and all kinds of shipping. Yeah, it's going It's going great, and you know, only you can do this. Keep it going and just supporting one another.
Awesome. Let's all do that, there was a quite a few. I even do pandemic there's quite a few of live, you know, Facebook live shows, man. Using guys like you know paradise and GPA you know other great artists that came on to. I love these guys see you guys on as well too.
Yeah, I love the new partner one day you know we've been we've been watching all the conscious at home here. No monkey ball here and we love We love being on the road and playing for everybody so the next best thing to do is keep up with everyone and join in on the festivities, whether it's virtual or either in person. And it's good it's good, but whatever they're doing down there.
Awesome, awesome. You know, in your opinion, come on, artists, make a living in the music industry.
At this point in time. That really happening yet. The market is not quite there as far as making a living. I myself I've been working in the music industry myself. Aside from the music industry slash community that we've got. It's just, it's just not big enough, if, if you're just going to tour North America and but when you sit down in North America. Not gonna it's not going to fully speed you, you know, but the thing is with music nowadays, everything is being done digitally. So the only way that you can actually make a living off of business touring. Right. Nowadays, when people order more than buy songs. They don't really buy the albums anymore It doesn't work like how it did 10 years ago where you would go to jail for three resonant years and pick up you know your your best, your most favorite, we still do that there's still, there's still do a lot of that but most of the stuff that I've seen come in as far as looking at our statistics, is that everyone is singles online via iTunes or Spotify now so the best thing to do is to get out there and tour, but at the same time that we don't have that many people in in the US or North America to actually make a living out of that.
And just not really helping us it's
not helping at all yeah it's not helping at all to this year so right off for anybody. I know that a lot of a lot of artists were planning some big thing. This is your Mac has ever been. How can I begin to with within the music community the artists, there's a lot of people finding some big things this year that we're all rooting for them. Knowing just never know what's gonna happen then I'm like this happens. On top of that, everything else, you know after that too so this year to call it a write off.
Whether you're a small band or a massive huge name brand you guys all have the same struggle there's no you know there's no shows. Exactly.
Everyone's struggle the same everybody wants to play. The main thing I believe for the artist is like getting out there and meeting the fans and, and, you know, just having the best show that you need and having fun with. We can do that this year that everyone's kind of on the downside but you know they got this, there's quite a few of us as far as artists, though. Everyone just kind of shares ideas and then over to a concert thing. That's that made a huge impact from what I can see all the viewers, that's probably the most viewers I've seen you know more than the concert that we can
bring that can play a big part in that too right so maybe that's something that we can think about.
Just have fun. In fact, a little bit.
I love that, I love that you mentioned about the museum you're speaking more about your career in that. Yeah,
yeah. So, I've been working in music industry for about five or six years now. I manage a music store out here and it's a small brick and mortar store so mom and pop style. But with that didn't seem like much of me think about it just that outer shell, but within that business is all the different levels that you deal with expires. Bringing in the product and learning, learning from the guys inside that business that are in the next level as far as the salesman that deals with us, but then they also deal with the guys inside of that business, knowing what's going on what's new for this year what is what is it what's gonna happen next year, what are we planning for so that really plays a big part, because we are the last like
I were. I
then is ready to be. I'm kind of in between the retail and actual distribution of
products that goes from there it goes out to
the musician. I kind of get, I kind of get to see what's going on behind the scenes and what's going on out there, because I have the experience of playing shows and touring as well, but also have the experience of business side of inside the industry as well.
Man With that being said you're learning a lot about the business side of things and,
yeah, yeah, it's a lot. It's, it's hugely due to
work with the word grantee owners I'm actually the only employee there. The data store there. And aside from the teachers who are contractors, but the owners. They've really taught me a lot over the years, as far as the business running the business, and, you know, handling handling all the upper guys because they've also had that background from other industries as well as far as just saying, you know, kind of digging deep, knowing you're willing to kind of think take a little bit, maybe then
we Vancouver's not too far from Seattle, Seattle was a very very very huge music industry and that's kind of back where we saved to say. Late 90s so when Nirvana came around was kind of begin the sub, sub pop of music, kind of like the founding fathers of it. You guys are not too far from that and that you know you're running a store now. Besides that your your your Qatari
on a day to day basis. Right yeah I tried it, though. A lot of the Seattle scene porting to Vancouver as well because it was also a big hub. It's the only hub on the West Coast here as far as disease. So a lot of the Seattle artists know like Nirvana and Alison Chase, like that, that grunge that grunge era, you know, even the local hair bands at that time, Tiana was a huge hub for them to come up and play know some of the more notable law than us here then pervert. So,
it really paid played a big part in it.
We kind of have that in, in our DNA as well as far as being advanced
surprise you're young enough to know the word crunches.
Yeah, when you're trying to buy music your whole life and and working in the industry and seeing all these guys and just
And I believe and I went, I went through a phase of everything as well. Right, so I grew up listening to hair metal, a lot back in the days my brothers, before I was even, you know, walking, every play in bands with your with your team before well before I even started playing so I see here. You know those 80s bands all the time and then when I started playing in the boat. The fifth grade and I started getting introduced into all these other stuff like even stuff as far as back as the classics of The Beatles, all the way you know all the way up to crunch. The new
stuff today. That brings me to the next question you said fifth grade. So now what age did you start playing the guitar.
Yeah, so I was my memory serves right, I started playing when I was about 10 or 11. So yeah about fifth grade fifth grade. I kind of was in out of it. During the younger years. But I was always around my brother's owns we lived in this back in the day we lived in this like town town complex apartments, it was a couple of units and my brothers and my uncle would always be chemi. They weren't there mostly your back, you know back in their late 90s. bonier was way different you. You went to the you went to the new year and then get them night are using their brain, and everybody's went and had a good time. Right. And we everyone had a good time. We go meet girls girls are telling me guys exchanged phone numbers no emails. Nothing yet though.
It was a real
yeah the struggle is real you know you send a letter out later you get another letter back.
Dude, I was part of that but I always do that a lot with the brothers and they would they would practice. They played a lot in Seattle.
Yeah, I would write a note and then tied to a
fly off and send it to the girl yeah nowadays the dBc is a little bit different with a simple tech.
It is, yeah. And, you know, you're probably just a little bit ahead of that, actually. We're just a little bit far ahead of that. Oh, that was really the scene oh so I was always around them. The brothers in music, and I developed a good year of music or sound and no tuning and stuff that that was that kind of came natural beginning when I started playing
it miss your brother was that what that led you to inspire in it.
Yeah. They were a huge part of it for sure definitely
when they're in teenagers my my uncle
is my dad's younger brother he in the 80s. They were in a band in Toronto our Kitchener, brother, which is Ontario. And
in their teens they play in the band and then when he moved in British Columbia here,
wanted to start a band. So there was nobody here there is only like the kids here there was only like right now, there's only about 20, families and by that time there was probably like 10 or 15 of them that so didn't have anyone else started bandwidth so he drew a bunch of teenagers together and that happened Lehman Brothers many, though they got a bank going and then they started playing with him is risky but first, first game was Seattle that same. That same year that they started playing it just kind of went from there yeah so at that time it was Tam which is the bass player now. He's the second oldest brother and then Roger was the third oldest brother. And then they've always been playing since, and you for five already.
Just we're talking about band and how it came about. Are you one of the original members of sudden rush. I am
yep I am I was one of the original greement remembered so the original members is Pat, Joe. He's got the guitars, and then myself.
How do they How did you become such a rush level
just because you like we picked you You're pretty good at it or just because you're the brother.
I think I was the one that had time on my hands as a kid, I just got dragged into it. You know, as you're just going to damage the part out, being nothing like what I thought it was going to be, you know, I thought that we were just going to go and write a song because we're bored. Then turn the ad in never would have thought that we will be when
you're putting out albums and
at one time with these man.
It was it was definitely, you know, out of my expectations, but
yeah nothing nothing that I would have foreseen.
So is there any music or song that you're working on.
As of right now, I am
currently working with
not sun rush. I'm actually working with another artist right now I can't see you. That's fine, they are. I'm gonna let them, let them present that but I'm working on a couple things that are extreme that would that would
you consider that an upcoming potential performance that you'd be playing with them. When
potentially it will lead to that. I think I hope so great to work was great artists as well.
You'll be very familiar with them as color everyone's
specific as you know. Another thing to keep the band motivated as well right when you do something. The same for so long, it to kind of turn off and it can be. Come back, come back region regenerated energize. Get back to your main thing.
It was super common topic Bob.
How has your performance or gigs changed due to, You know what we're having to know. Um,
I can't really say, because we didn't really have anything planned yet for this year. We did.
Yeah, we ended up squeezing that one, one last show there for that reason but that was just as endemic was not like going crazy but it was, was starting up so no lockdown use that in but that was really the only plan that we had for this year. My brother Joe and his wife were expecting his first child. We're already expecting this year to kind of be right off.
Awesome. Uh no member new member.
So how do you stay motivated during this.
Yeah, you know, that's a good question. It's a very good question. Thankfully, for me, I can't say the same for the other artists, but for myself, because I work in the music industry. That's really what keeps me motivated, getting all the different artists that we need that come through, you know, bigger small local musicians, listening to their stories. And that's really what motivates me is seeing all the kids come in for the lessons and watching them, you know, gain, gain the knowledge and skills that I never had growing up I never had that opportunity. So that's really the motivation, just seeing is actually wanting to do it, and getting that support small.
That's great man. So, who, who was, like, way way way way. You mentioned your brother Joel. And what is your baby do
the baby's already a month old now. Oh, yeah, just a little over a month, a month and
yappin and jumping around ready.
Everyone spoiling her you know we haven't had a newborn. He was
exciting. Yeah, and he's
just the first one right. It's
their first one they've been trying really hard to do so that's
very. We're kind of just letting them do their thing.
So now, who was a role model for you going Oh,
No, we didn't have really many things going for us here in Vancouver, so I'd say the biggest role models were the family that we had here right, having to know the same 10 1215 months families, all these all these grown up together that we grew up together with still today. And then my brothers I think that they're the biggest role models growing up. We didn't have anything else.
There is there a band out there that you like their style the way they play it we make our own band,
doesn't matter yeah
yeah well, name it top five. Yeah, so, yeah. Growing up as far as music is concerned inspiration inspirational music. We weren't. I was never really exposed to to the any more bands or artists that I could remember right, there was a few that that my dad would listen to but everyone's had a transit will listen to his turn cassette tape back in the day, you know you had artists like, yeah.
Everybody's got at least one elbow inside I know
there was also artists, more and more, bouncing on you. And those guys passing bands from the 80s. As far as I know that that's what I knew growing up that sort of remember listening and growing up, wasn't until a little bit later, I was already in here's Intramural Research and the rest of it I discovered bands like the Sounders reflections and Moscow and being in Blackburn all those guys and I was like, oh my god, there's guys out there like, you know, I mean there's there's people out there like us bands, you know, modern day events that really aspired us
to zero and American thing. Bam that I have you when you're driving to work or. What would I hear. If I look at you, it is yes. So
the very first band that got me into playing guitar and that made me want to go like, yeah, like that's what that's what I want to do is the band called Scorpion from Germany. Yeah, the scorpion Yes, my brothers used to listen to them all the time and yeah just just to see that that really, that's really what what really made me excited. That's what I want to do I want to play that kind of music, whatever that is, I don't know that's called a guitar solo sounds cool. I started playing guitar solos first because my hands were big chords yet so I was only learning solos. I was already learning. My brother's bands like their their bands guitar solos, before I was learning
the chords and what a
Yeah, I already I already. As I was always. I was running around as they were jamming. So, I already knew like it that's what the guitar solo shootout. So, it was just a matter of finding those notes on the guitar. As far as I can remember it came pretty quick. In time, I knew me on stage with them. Without him, practicing. And you think I must have nailed the guitar solos know for an open course.
I've been, I've been in the band ever since this was probably the first time I was probably
around that time at the moment. Here.
Besides, besides that,
yeah there's quite a few bands, but the big ones that that name scorpions is definitely number one as far as I know, because they were the ones that really that I can remember back then, he never, he was probably definitely. The difference a huge, huge huge inspiration to sun rush, we listen to our music. The concept that we use is a lot of is inspired by Def Leppard as far as like, you know, putting the music together layering the music, adding the little stuff between the nodes that really definitely fire I mean Joe, the whole band, really didn't do that and I've seen them three times and they come to Vancouver now, huge huge huge bonus, as far as no vocals and stuff in the background vocals were huge on that. After seeing Def Leppard it's like everybody's, you know, on top of what they're playing. They're also using their voice as an instrument,
every single band member, you see you see them three times live.
I've seen that three times or they come to Vancouver.
There's not the most of any ban.
The most of them in any bad. Yeah, that I've seen.
For sure. Oh yeah, oh
yeah, I was like,
get down a couple times. I was standing on the bleachers. And, yeah, just seeing them live like man they sound like back there like they do on their album.
At Def Leppard
yeah Def Leppard. Yeah. Guns and Roses was a huge one. Growing up as well. Is there just bands that I would hear like my brothers from those bands, those three bands. No. And then all the other ones on the, on the AC DC is huge, of course Metallica I went to the Metallica phase like every other guitars. We all went through Metallica phase once in a while we'll still remember
all those bands in that genre,
Yeah, a lot of new stuff on right now I'm really into a band called trivium. They're like a really heavy metal band, a lot of pulling stuff by musicality guys. Not so much when you listen to, I don't know what the listeners listened to everyone's got a different way of listening to music for me as a musician. Like, that's pretty cool what they're doing, you know, darn cool I like that I like, like the guitar stuff that's going on in the way everything, everything works together. Oh yeah, I'm really into them right now, led me jovians listening to a lot of the heavy stuff. But, you know, then you have the software really came out in. In the mid 2000s or early to the early 2000s to the mid 2000s bands like life how many doors down Nickelback. I don't know all those bands in that genre. They were all huge, like I said, I went through a phase of everything I did a little bit of everything. And I think that kind of
what I would I do today.
All those that you mentioned, I know in my era. Exactly, yeah I've not seen all those bad I'm aware of
all those bands. And
just to share a little bit the only one I've been to
is Atlanta went to Lincoln Park.
For Chester passed away and let us know that life. And I saw a really really really heavy metal heavy ever heard of Motorhead
metal. Yeah, I saw him live, I got a free ticket I
love to go to see more
yeah yeah it's great man. Like, I've seen poison. We went to a show. Vancouver, it was Def Leppard poison and Tesla and now that was a pretty good, pretty good show. Yeah, drink, three of those bands together. Yeah, definitely. There was a headline and you had poison as the as the mid band in the middle yeah Tesla, which is great. What I liked about these big bands is, whenever when they come around, they have the smaller bands, opening up for them, that's a great thing to expose these, these well known but it needs a little bit of the extra push to a new, a new generation listener, or a new or new different market and this is pretty cool thing. But the best concert I've been doing that I remember was would be
a mental construct it was,
it was breaking benjamin awesome that love those guys.
Breaking Benjamin. Bullet for My Valentine they were they were the middle of that. No, there was the opener. And the headliner was events,
I think, I think that was a pretty, pretty darn
it, because, probably because he was younger generation listeners like myself.
You're gonna Deaf they're gonna definitely burn you see people like
all the fans are probably as old as their parents, you know.
Yeah, so you have anyone from kids only to that generation.
Most of them are like,
how did music, change your life if any.
Oh man, I think it's saved me from a lot of stuff. No, I think that that without music. I don't know you know I can see myself doing anything else besides music. It's just what I've always started doing as it says that that's all focused on every day from within the first day I started became a guitar. I put in like 567 hours every day after school to play well to the point where it's like past midnight. While I'm coming knock on the door,
kind of thing right and I never did. I was never that good in school.
How many of you track my, my school record I've heard bad attendance record too because I was always spending my time at the music store. I was no more like I was other musics doing that killing time were at the library on my laptop looking at music videos.
When you're passionate about it and nothing is gonna kill it.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No, it was all I had. Does everybody knew me if you saw me in high school and
I show up for a minute, and that'll be gone, you know, as I'm playing the guitar in the park or just doing things but that's what I do. That's really all that I did. And so, that's all I know, really. Besides that, there's another thing that I do. Aside from that, such as, like, I'm an outdoorsman I do a lot of hunting and fishing as well. But I couldn't go do any of that on my own it's gone. Later, a later use when I started driving.
Oh, hunting bow or gun gun,
fishing, fly or
spinning that spinning all the way.
You know we have different you know certain times where a certain, certain kinds of fish, we will use off fly or because first of all, but, you know, just just fishing trout at the local lakes is off the spinning mission
could go on and on about
that, that's a whole nother level. I could talk about
what is the biggest obstacle you over. What is the biggest obstacle, you overcome. During the time with the bad weather or with your Oh,
yeah, the biggest obstacle for sure
was during our little hiatus that we had there.
And doesn't even know for any listeners that have been following us for that long. You might remember, we kind of disappeared for a couple years, just out of nowhere, right, it just came out of nowhere. So, if you don't score. Yeah. So the truth was that we were on our way to President redlining of Brazil show this was during. We had a tour going on. It was, it was supportive the first album. We were already doing shows for two years already in the last show was in France no we just finished the show in those Wausau, Wisconsin, are the biggest shows of evidence from the 3000 people in their craft show, and they were gearing up for that so at that time, like, if you remember during the pass here. I was talking about how the older generation, how they handled the business was a little bit different than the new promoters now going diamond evolution. It's a little bit different at that time so that time. As far as getting a band across, no one really knew was we were young we were starving for just getting shows in and getting our name out there, and we were doing whatever, whatever it took to come down there and play, and john Lowe, didn't really know the process of getting it in terms of bandwidth, you know, everyone felt that it was okay to just come across, we're, like, what's the big deal, right. Nobody knows that that that is a huge business in the real world, right it's ancient history and there is something to be made from that. But as a home community, not really about that right we just want to come by. Help each other. Everyone knows that term as far as getting injured in Gaza. Help us a little bit with with wherever you can. As far as accommodations, the kids so anyways um yeah so we were doing that and on the way to cross the border. On the way across the border. Cam Joe and Roger there and he made it there they made it across the board and they went in two separate cars so they already made it, they would have their own people, they made two they're just me Pat, and another sister of mine. And we went and yeah we just ended up not making it through. And we end up paying the ultimate price for that by getting a five year ban, you know, from from entering the US so that's kind of what happened there. And it was me and pat i got our nails before the five years so there's not much that we could have done and that was the biggest setback for us because we were on the rise, getting coming up as a band and then getting quite popular at that time there was not as many mobile geyser as as many artists. At that time, you were one of the top, you know, our artists. At that time, I want to do, I want to Yes. Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's really what happened so you know after we got the bar. There's nothing that we could have done to try to challenge it, we can get a lifetime bar, and the brothers. You know, it's, it was too risky for the brothers, as they had all their wives came from the US. We just left it at that for years. Tough did though, wrote music wrote music over the years, and just really kept it going really you know and then I had to keep myself occupied So I joined a local band here or local artists here in Vancouver, and just kind of did that for a couple years right until until a band decided that we want to put the second album out so that that's kind of what we did.
Wow dude that is a major setback, but, you know, it's good and bad in my opinion cuz that setback made us something clue want to be seeing you guys even more. Yeah, so I can say with you as you guys were exclusive again saying,
so it's good and bad. If you think about it.
We're yeah it might be a setback but just like
you know someone exclusive coming into your town, play and just like I will pay, I don't care if it's, you know, $2 or $200 to get in there, guys. So, In my honest opinion. You know, it was totally worth the way
you know whether you guys
had was in that situation. But I haven't you understand us as a battle like we'll be patient. No matter what the situation was whether we know or not. I'm pretty sure a lot of listeners may not know that at all but that was the situation at the time which none of us could do nothing about it.
Yeah, there's nothing that anyone couldn't do. Done, done about that, um, the other promoters were pretty upset but, you know, it is what it was, but at the same time, like you said, you know, it was a true testament of the band and the fans, you know, we could have said you know what, just call it quits. You know, there's no point. You can continue right, five years by the time we come back. You know, the fans have gone on already right but the fans are stuck stuck burned bar size throughout the years to, you know, every year we still got call soco when ancient math was coming up, don't get us to go do the show is 10 but we turned on so many shows over the years and it's just hard to explain why. It's the same story over and over just imagine seeing the same. Buddy, though. I know multiple times a month, or five years, but it was a true testament of the bands, and everyone had our backs the whole time so that's really prompted us to get that second album out as soon as this will be able to come back. Let's
see. And I look forward, you know the latest album was pretty dope the music video was awesome. And I look forward to hearing more from you and you said you're onto another band to not, you know,
let's go let's go back a few more years back let's go back about six years I see you jammin out with another band out there right
that's right yeah so yeah so that that was what I was doing. During our little hiatus here with sem rush. There was a senior songwriter from Australia, and she had a Vancouver home for a couple years, I was playing with her arm. And I didn't, you know, at the lowest point in as far as music goes for me. I didn't know what to do with what we were going to do, because I really wanted to do the sunrise thing but there's nothing we could have time to continue as a band time so I think, you know what, this is before working in the music industry too. So I did not work at the store yet. So, I didn't have anything going. Right. So instead of stopping and just, you know, letting it rest for a couple years, I told us. Let's go find a band in England, let's start a band. And I'm going to go experienced this local club scene in Vancouver, playing pubs, just like, however, whatever band did so you know Craigslist every day, put it out there I made a couple of demos productor actually met up with a couple other people in the team for ultimately singer songwriter he was just calling. She actually resides in LA now to record our music career.
That's awesome. And then that six years I was playing at a club close the seller and the production called gridiron productions right yeah yes
so the smaller Yeah, so I played with her for three years. Three Three out of those five years that
kind of style john was an alternative, or what was it,
two is very bulky, because she was from the countryside of Australia and so she was very
mixed in with poppin rock.
I brought in a little bit or a rock flavor to it, and all. All the other band members too at that time, we went through a couple band member changes during the three year zones with. I stayed on probably the longest up until that point. But yeah, we just a little bit of everything she had her first album that she released as well independently, and just kind of did a lot of shows and, you know, we did quite well and they are welcome.